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Nebelwerfer.
05-26-2007, 05:19 PM
Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko has ordered several thousand interior ministry troops to head to the capital Kiev amid a political crisis.
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42975000/jpg/_42975017_both_ap203.jpg Supporters from both sides are gathering in the capital, Kiev

The order came as the president held talks with his bitter rival, Prime Minister Viktor Yanukovych, in Kiev. The talks, which were delayed by several hours, were aimed at resolving an increasingly serious power struggle between the two leaders. The two held late-night talks on Friday but failed to reach an agreement.

'Prevent provocations'
The deputy head of the interior ministry - which is loyal to Mr Yanukovych - said that the troops were being led by a commander loyal to Mr Yushchenko and acting in defiance of ministry orders. The troops are reported to have driven towards the capital Kiev in a fleet of buses, and are thought to be carrying only riot gear and not lethal weapons. "Moving the interior troops into the city is necessary to guarantee a calm life for the city, to prevent provocations," Ivan Plyushch, the head of the national security council, was quoted as saying on the presidential website, the Associated Press reported. But "practically all of them have been stopped in different places", AFP news agency quoted Mykhaylo Korniyenko as saying.
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President Yushchenko commands the 300,000-strong armed forces
Interior Ministry commands 40,000 troops and more than 200,000 police
Commander of Interior Ministry troops Oleksandr Kikhtenko is loyal to Mr Yushchenko
Mr Yushchenko said he was taking command of Interior Ministry troops on Friday


Mr Yushchenko said he was assuming control of the 40,000 Interior Ministry troops on Friday. His order came a day after riot police - acting on the orders of the interior minister - defended the offices of Ukraine's prosecutor-general, a Yanukovych ally who Mr Yushchenko had sacked.

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Saturday's talks finally started after several hours' delay.
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In pictures: Power struggle (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/6693449.stm)


Key lawmakers, including opposition leader Yulia Tymoshenko, were also expected to attend. The arch rivals are expected to discuss when to hold an early parliamentary election, says the BBC's Helen Fawkes in Kiev.
Both men agree that there has to be a new vote to resolve their dispute, our correspondent says. Mr Yushchenko became president in January 2005 following the pro-democracy Orange Revolution, which overturned a rigged victory for Mr Yanukovych. But Mr Yushchenko was forced to accept his rival as prime minister after his allies failed to win a majority in the March 2006 parliamentary election, and the two men have repeatedly clashed.
In April, Mr Yushchenko dissolved parliament and called a snap election, accusing his rival of trying to usurp his power. Mr Yanukovych and his governing coalition initially rejected the move but later agreed in principle with the president to hold early elections. Now the two sides have to fix a date for the polls. The president favours closer ties with the West, while the prime minister is seen as more pro-Russian. There is growing international concern over the situation in the country. The EU has urged both parties to settle the deepening crisis though negotiation and not resort to violence.
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Pandy
05-26-2007, 05:51 PM
Possible Civil War? Maybe?

Mamont
05-26-2007, 06:25 PM
No. But possible conflict between security organisations. That spineless fool finally make a move, and again the wrong one.

KMS
05-26-2007, 06:33 PM
Possible Civil War? Maybe?

In Ukraine - 99.99999% unlikely.
Small scale fighting between different factions - yes, large scale civil war - no.
The very essence of the Ukranian mentality (Моя хата с краю) nullifies the possibility of the civil war/unrest.

lightfire
05-26-2007, 06:37 PM
No. But possible conflict between security organisations. That spineless fool finally make a move, and again the wrong one.

apart the "fool" note, this time I would have to agree with you.
Civil war sounds menacing, but is unlikelly to happen. Some standof, more serious that is today or was during Orange revolution won't do much good for such country as Ukraine.

Herrmannek
05-26-2007, 06:52 PM
Big scale or small scale fighting not matter.. I don't like such things happen next to my border... Can't you guys just play by the rules? President have all aces, he wants elections, let him do that and don't mix Police or Army into that... :cantbeli:

Rictor
05-26-2007, 07:34 PM
Whatever goes down, at least we know it'll settle by 2012. After all, you wouldn't want to jeopardize important things like footie just for politics, right?

;);)

SBL
05-26-2007, 07:50 PM
Possible Civil War? Maybe?

You sound so hopeful.p-)

Mr.K
05-26-2007, 08:09 PM
Big scale or small scale fighting not matter.. I don't like such things happen next to my border... Can't you guys just play by the rules?
What rules? They play by their own rules.


President have all aces, he wants elections, let him do that and don't mix Police or Army into that... :cantbeli:
Not really, as you may know, in the US for instance, the president is not God almighty, the congress has a lot of power as well.

0rphie
05-26-2007, 09:16 PM
I just wonder what would happen here in the US if the president told congress to pack and go home and called for another elections after democrats won the majority in house and congress last Nov.
If I were in Europe I would really care what happens in Ukrain if they still want to get oil/gas through them

Vertibird
05-26-2007, 10:26 PM
Possible Civil War? Maybe?
No, it's GeKaChePe - 2.

Mr.K
05-26-2007, 11:02 PM
GKChP is rather mellow from what i observed.

Igor01
05-26-2007, 11:48 PM
Move along, folks, no civil war foh yu! Yuschenko agreed to postpone the elections until September 30 and will not interfere with the country's Constitutional Court. Oh, and those Interior Toops that were ordered to go to Kiev are intended to "beef up the security for the Ukrainian Soccer Cup games" :)

Methinks we'll see alot of scheisse-slinging and cries to save the Motherland come September.

Mr.K
05-27-2007, 02:25 AM
But what about the secret KGB Moscow OMON planes?! ORANGEREVOULTION!!!111

Brute
05-27-2007, 04:38 AM
No, it's GeKaChePe - 2.

No, more like what Yeltsin did in 1993.

Igor01
05-27-2007, 09:13 AM
But what about the secret KGB Moscow OMON planes?! ORANGEREVOULTION!!!111

Putin and his Henchmen (TM) have learned their lessons, next time the Russian OMON will be transported to Kiev right through gas pipelines to achieve complete tactical surprise.

MichaelF
05-27-2007, 12:04 PM
I just wonder what would happen here in the US if the president told congress to pack and go home and called for another elections after democrats won the majority in house and congress last Nov.
If I were in Europe I would really care what happens in Ukrain if they still want to get oil/gas through them

Presidential Systems (where the Executive is seperate from the Legislature) usually implicitly restrict each Branch from interfering with the other (exception being Impeachment).

Parliamentary Systems (where the dominant Players in the Legislature actually form the "Executive". I.e. Labor is the dominant Party in the UK Parliament, so they form a Government) usually have means by which the Prime Minister or Chief Executive can dissolve the Government, whether by having the Government (Cabinet) resign or by outright calling a new Election.

So the POTUS telling Congress to pack up wouldn't fly, European Parliaments call early elections all the time (usually when they think that they will gain seats over their rivals).

Different systems.