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mustamato
05-04-2004, 12:36 PM
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/316F0ADE-FDFC-466A-95F6-A591FD01A75C.htm


Abu Ghuraib prisoners speak of 'torture'

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Ex-detainees say acts of abuse
were too immoral to talk about

Tuesday 04 May 2004, 14:03 Makka Time, 11:03 GMT

Ex-detainees say acts of abuse were too immoral to talk about
Former inmates of the US-occupation run Abu Ghuraib prison near
Baghdad still find it difficult to relate their experiences of torture and
humiliation, as more pictures of abuse come to light.

One of the released detainees who was forced to pose naked in a human
pyramid has told Aljazeera that the acts committed against them were so
horrible that he still could not get himself to speak about most of it.
"They wanted to humiliate us. It was disgusting", said Hashim Muhsin.
"They covered our heads with plastic bags and hit our backs with sharp
objects, which added to our wounds".

"They then took off all our clothes, made us stand next to the wall and
carried out immoral acts that I cannot even talk about", Muhsin continued.
He said "women soldiers took pictures of naked men and did not care".

CIA present
Another released prisoner, Haidir Sabbar told Aljazeera that "CIA officials
and two Iraqi and Egyptian translators showed us immoral pictures of the
acts that took place" before interrogating them.
"They then took off all our clothes, made us stand net to the wall and
carried out immoral acts that I cannot even talk about"

Hashim Muhsin
Released Abu Ghraib detainee
Seven US soldiers have been reprimanded for the abuse of Iraqi
prisoners and six more are under investigation. The reprimands were the
first known punishment meted out to soldiers involved in the
mistreatment of prisoners at Abu Ghuraib.

Last week, an American television channel, CBS, broadcast images
showing Iraqis stripped naked, hooded and being tormented by their US
captors.
An internal US army report found that Iraqi detainees were subjected to
"sadistic, blatant and wanton criminal abuses", according to The New
Yorker magazine.

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Prisoners bound and tormented

Intelligence blamed
Brigadier-General Janis Karpinski who oversaw the prison, claimed she
did not know about the abuse and blamed "military intelligence" for being
behind the abuse.

Prisoners bound and tormented
"The cellblocks were actually in operation for the interrogations and
isolation under the Military Intelligence control," she said. "It was part of
the Abu Ghraib prisoner operation but those cellblocks, cellblock 1A and
1B and the prison was actually under the control at that time".
Karpinski added that "there was one photograph that didn't show the faces
completely, but the photograph showed 32 boots (of a lightweight boot)".
Asked whether she was saying the people who were wearing those boots
were CIA or military intelligence, she replied "I'm saying other people
than the military police were the ones committing the abuses."

'Shared responsibility'
A dead prisoner's body wrapped in cellophane and packed in ice
Karpinski said she thought "there are others responsible here, not limited
to one person or any individual or command. But there is a shared
responsibility in this."

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A dead prisoner's body wrapped
in cellophane and packed in ice

The alleged abuses were said to have involved about 20 prisoners and
took place in November and December last year.
The New Yorker magazine, meanwhile has released additional images of
the abuse, including that of the dead body of a prisoner, wrapped i
n cellophane and packed in ice as well as a group of Iraqis bound and
lying on the ground.

Latest reports by Aljazeera's correspondent, quoting a US military
spokesman is that 208 prisoners have been released from the Abu Ghuraib prison.

ShotOver
05-04-2004, 01:07 PM
Read Bravo 2, 0.

Payback is a bitch.

weedman
05-04-2004, 01:20 PM
Seems to be really bad... :(

HELEX
05-04-2004, 01:33 PM
Read Bravo 2, 0.

Payback is a bitch.

Bravo two zero is pure fiction you moron! :cantbeli:

Maybe you go and get the book about what really happened:

http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASIN/0304365548/302-4788236-2178428

:roll:

Argyll
05-04-2004, 01:36 PM
Read Bravo 2, 0.

Payback is a bitch.

Bravo two zero is pure fiction you moron! :cantbeli:

Maybe you go and get the book about what really happened:

http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASIN/0304365548/302-4788236-2178428

:roll:

Maybe you should speak to some of those who were captured (Moron.... ;) )?

and to provide a link to another Science Fiction book is laughable!

One?
05-04-2004, 02:06 PM
Read Bravo 2, 0.

Payback is a bitch.

Payback?

Since you justified the acts then don't start bitching if you see more coalition troops being humiliated or mutilated.

front
05-04-2004, 02:07 PM
Bremer should have had that ****ing prison knocked down in the first weeks and a memorial placed on the wreckage.

He could have even just renamed the place to try and make it at least seem that a new order was in place.

But it's still there, still the same name "Abu Ghuraib" and still a place of torture.

It's as if every single lying excuse given for the invasion and occupation is slowly been stripped away. What next? That Saddam is going to be named the Mayor of Fallujah?!

cheers

front

Tane Angle
05-04-2004, 02:09 PM
I'll agree with that it certainly should not be being used. I don't care if it was the only place available, there's lots of open land in the desert, build an Camp X-Ray-type camp for all I care.

Have a good one, and just some thoughts...

HELEX
05-04-2004, 02:18 PM
Read Bravo 2, 0.

Payback is a bitch.

So this "we are better and more human than Saddams Thugs" attitude belongs to the Past now? :lol:

But its true, the Americans arent better than Saddam..... :|

Royal
05-04-2004, 02:22 PM
Read Bravo 2, 0.

Payback is a bitch.

Bravo two zero is pure fiction you moron! :cantbeli:

Maybe you go and get the book about what really happened:

http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASIN/0304365548/302-4788236-2178428

:roll:

What happened in Abu Ghuraib is about the only bit of the book that wasn't exagerated. If anything, the worst aspects are left out...

RomanS
05-04-2004, 02:25 PM
But its true, the Americans arent better than Saddam..... :|

damn

Argyll
05-04-2004, 02:55 PM
Read Bravo 2, 0.

Payback is a bitch.

Bravo two zero is pure fiction you moron! :cantbeli:

Maybe you go and get the book about what really happened:

http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASIN/0304365548/302-4788236-2178428

:roll:

What happened in Abu Ghuraib is about the only bit of the book that wasn't exagerated. If anything, the worst aspects are left out...


Royal ..........good to hear from you again,yes some here just cannot believe the truth when it bites them in the ass .........hard!

Royal
05-04-2004, 03:32 PM
Royal ..........good to hear from you again,yes some here just cannot believe the truth when it bites them in the ass .........hard!

Yeah, always the way.

Good to see you back too, enjoy your downtime mate...

usa320
05-04-2004, 05:40 PM
I agree. Abu Gharib has always signified a hell hole. We should have built a new jail.

HELEX
05-04-2004, 05:45 PM
I agree. Abu Gharib has always signified a hell hole. We should have built a new jail.

With a nice and fancy new torture chamber? I love that idea! :P

Uncle Sam
05-04-2004, 06:07 PM
HELEX...I really hate to say this, but, you have no credibility what-so-ever ! Most of the time you pull **** from your ass to stir up the smell.

MUSTAMATO...You have an Anti-American fetish. You were probably beaten up alot as a kid. You probably post this **** with a hard on, your thumb up your ass, and a big smile.

WEEDMAN...You are just a follower. You are a wimp.

These posts you make, mustamato, and others, only serve your twisted fascination that America and Americans are bad. How many times does this have to be dealt with in this forum? These people ****ed up royally. We agree. What they did was wrong, so wrong. We agree. This is a slap in the face for America. We agree. I am not here to debate that fact. Move on....Move on!

weedman
05-05-2004, 08:28 AM
WEEDMAN...You are just a follower. You are a wimp.
I'm jst happy to see that I'm not the only one with different opinions, so where's your problem?



These posts you make, mustamato, and others, only serve your twisted fascination that America and Americans are bad. In contrast to many people in this forum, we are people able to differentiate.

I've some American friends and there are really many Americans things I love.
But that does not conflict with having different opinions concerning current foreign policies made by your government.

Argyll
05-05-2004, 08:33 AM
Weedman just remember you are a guest in this domain! ;)

And Germanys foreign policies are untarnished and perfect too?

weedman
05-05-2004, 08:38 AM
Weedman just remember you are a guest in this domain! ;)
I know, and probably I am also unpleasant. ;)



And Germanys foreign policies are untarnished and perfect too?I never said so, did I?

Argyll
05-05-2004, 08:46 AM
We all have skeletons......!