New light tank to be produced in Poland?

[Switek]

According different media releases and rumors on different Polish military related forums ZM Bumar-Łabedy (http://www.bumar.gliwice.pl/eng/index.php) (defence systems manufacturer) is negotiatig with BAE Systems to ccoperate with production new tank based on technical solutions applied in CV 90120. The details of negotiations are classified.

http://www.rzeczpospolita.pl/teksty/wydanie_070528/ekonomia_a_10-1.F.jpg

Article in Polish (http://www.rzeczpospolita.pl/gazeta/wydanie_070528/ekonomia/ekonomia_a_10.html)

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great! hopefully those aren't only rumours...
according to the mentionnned source the new construction is to replace the t72s in our land forces. yet, it doesn't say if this will be a deeply modernized CV or an entirely new construction based on this vehicle...

[kilroy1911]

any technical details? or more pics? sideview?

if i understand it correctly - it is a polish turret and maybe some other things on swedish CV90 chassis??

[Switek]

The main idea AFAIK (based on my speculations an rumors) is to create new tank based on CV 90120 or developing of it including chassis and turret (I believe that in such kind of tank this develompent must be conducted parallely aa a whole project) and what's the most important - active self defence systems.

[Hadfield]

Looks Pretty Tight. I Dig it.

[mountainbear]

Interesting!


great! hopefully those aren't only rumours...
according to the mentionnned source the new construction is to replace the t72s in our land forces. yet, it doesn't say if this will be a deeply modernized CV or an entirely new construction based on this vehicle...

Will it only replace the T-72 or also the PT-91?

[Switek]

Interesting!

Will it only replace the T-72 or also the PT-91?


According to top military officials only T-72 are to be replaced. Anyway our PT-91s need to be modernized.

[mountainbear]

According to top military officials only T-72 are to be replaced. Anyway our PT-91s need to be modernized.

Thanks.:)
New developments of Tanks are pretty rare in Europe nowadays. Hope to hear more about this one.

[vajt]

Interesting development and the decision to go for a lighter tank design (weighing in the low to mid 30's tons) to replace the T-72 (weighing around 45 tons). I would imagine that the PT-91 will also eventually be replaced. Now with active protection, and the newer ones even being able to shoot down incoming AP rounds, it may make sense to have these smaller tanks.

-----JT-----

[Switek]

Poland is going to buy and modernise 116 Leopoards2/A4 from Bundeswher stocks... to strenght our heavy armor.

So far we have about 586 of T-72s. The most modern have been in srervice for 20 years. Modernisation and maintenance will cost a lot of $$$, what is economically unsufficient.

[zapatero]

The essential questione here is - will Poland also make a choice for a new tracked APC to replace its soviet made BWP's? On the other hand, what about the new wheeled 105mm fire support vehicle, which was supposed to be made as a version of the Rosomak? Choosing the CV90 chassis could be an argument for the whole APC family. The Rheinmetall Puma is also an option.

[vajt]

If they are going to also use the heavy Leopard II's, then does it really make so much sense to add these light tanks to the inventory? They are already getting the Patria AMV's, they could just as well add a 120mm turret to the heavy 8x8 design, extra armor and an active defense system and have a lightweight tank destroyer/fire support vehicle without adding the costs and complications of an entirely new vehicle family.

-----JT-----

[Switek]

Ok. AFAIK This hew project would be based on SEP (http://www.army-technology.com/projects/sep/) Modular Armoured Tactical System... But it's still speculation... :roll:

[Vandervahn]

...The Rheinmetall Puma is also an option.

Nope, far too expensive for Poland. BTW, technically its the PSM Puma, a joint venture of which Krauss-Maffei Wegmann (Leopard 2) and Rheinmetall Land Systems hold 50% each.

[lastdingo]

If they are going to also use the heavy Leopard II's, then does it really make so much sense to add these light tanks to the inventory? They are already getting the Patria AMV's, they could just as well add a 120mm turret to the heavy 8x8 design, extra armor and an active defense system and have a lightweight tank destroyer/fire support vehicle without adding the costs and complications of an entirely new vehicle family.

-----JT-----

Some regions of poland are difficult to access with vehicles. Leopard 2 hasn much more ground pressure than the CV90...

I heard of border patrol using mostly small ATVs in some regions and cannot even move other than on foot or horse in some regions.

[odiniz]

This "light tank" was made on the base of polish made "ZUK"


http://foto.mail.ru/mail/virusbios/Avto/i-55.jpg

[DeltaWhisky58]

This "light tank" was made on the base of polish made "ZUK"


http://foto.mail.ru/mail/virusbios/Avto/i-55.jpg

Hello pot, calling kettle, reality check ... ... over ... ...

Considering your location, your ignorance and stupidy astounds me! That van looks to be in working order, could you manage the same?

[odiniz]

Hello pot, calling kettle, reality check ... ... over ... ...

Considering your location, your ignorance and stupidy astounds me! That van looks to be in working order, could you manage the same?

Could visit your motherland - Jockistan

[wholagun]

very interesting. I was hoping we would buy something from the CV family. Although not much is known about this light tank, it certainly is heading in the right direction.
As for not mixing vehicles, and problems with communication, I don't think they would over look such an important element in the design.

This would be a great opportunity for Polish economy if it were to be built in Poland

This new light tank would be a great addition especially in international conflicts, light fast, and hard hitting.

[perdurabo]

very interesting. I was hoping we would buy something from the CV family. Although not much is known about this light tank, it certainly is heading in the right direction.
As for not mixing vehicles, and problems with communication, I don't think they would over look such an important element in the design.

This would be a great opportunity for Polish economy if it were to be built in Poland

This new light tank would be a great addition especially in international conflicts, light fast, and hard hitting.
wepons industry is realy small % of our economy so this would have minomal impact on our economy.
Light tanks would be good if it would cost less than standard tank but i can't see it beeing cheaper, so license build Leo2A6PL would be much better option for same price.

Some regions of poland are difficult to access with vehicles. Leopard 2 hasn much more ground pressure than the CV90...

I heard of border patrol using mostly small ATVs in some regions and cannot even move other than on foot or horse in some regions.
what?? what regions are hard to acess with vehicles? parts of Mazury, Bieszczady yes but those places have population denisity close to Canada so why on earth would any sane enemy go fight there when all big cities and industry centers are easly accesable and are suronded moustly by farms, viliges and small towns?


This "light tank" was made on the base of polish made "ZUK"


http://foto.mail.ru/mail/virusbios/Avto/i-55.jpg

no no this will be a mix of
http://www.abc.se/%7Em9805/eastcars/tarpan/tarpanpolmo2.jpg
and
http://oko.fade.pl/images/3151saab2.jpg
p-)

[wholagun]

anything that add to the economy is by default good for the economy.

Even if the military will not contribute financially, it will contribute via tech transfers.

[Marmot1]

According different media releases and rumors on different Polish military related forums ZM Bumar-Łabedy (http://www.bumar.gliwice.pl/eng/index.php) (defence systems manufacturer) is negotiatig with BAE Systems to ccoperate with production new tank based on technical solutions applied in CV 90120. The details of negotiations are classified.

http://www.rzeczpospolita.pl/teksty/wydanie_070528/ekonomia_a_10-1.F.jpg

Article in Polish (http://www.rzeczpospolita.pl/gazeta/wydanie_070528/ekonomia/ekonomia_a_10.html)


Last month i was on a conference in Warsaw (organized by REMOV's newspaper) where this news was announced. However I think it is only declaration of will to cooperate with CV90 manufacturer, rather than real cooperation, and as for now I do not heard from our brass that they wat this type of equipment in their inventory

[Switek]

Last month i was on a conference in Warsaw (organized by REMOV's newspaper) where this news was announced. However I think it is only declaration of will to cooperate with CV90 manufacturer, rather than real cooperation, and as for now I do not heard from our brass that they wat this type of equipment in their inventory

There is still lack of reliable info about this project. I guess if CV 90120 were produced in Poland, first of all it'd be for export. Not for our armed forces. Anyway our top military officials should start thinking about replacement of our BWP1 So the idea is, may be to use chassis of CV 90 (or SEP )for new IFV.

[Briggs]

If they are going to also use the heavy Leopard II's, then does it really make so much sense to add these light tanks to the inventory? They are already getting the Patria AMV's, they could just as well add a 120mm turret to the heavy 8x8 design, extra armor and an active defense system and have a lightweight tank destroyer/fire support vehicle without adding the costs and complications of an entirely new vehicle family.

-----JT-----

The Italians have Ariete (120mm) MBTs next to wheeled Tank destroyers Centauro (105). The AMV, according to my knowledge, can't handle the recoil of the 120mm (RUAG for both the Oto Melara system and the one on the CV90120 IIRC). Maybe Poland is going for such a combination?

CV90 120 has its weight advantage making it a good tracked & airtransportable vehicle and it forms a whole family of vehicles might give you some economies of scale if you choose them as IFV's as well.