Warsaw Ghetto uprising (lots of pics)

[Marmot1]

This is already posted in history part of this forum but since not many of you visit it I decided to post it also here...


Here is video from Cracow Ghetto (http://wilk.wpk.p.lodz.pl/~whatfor/video/F9.avi) not this one with uprising but still you can see how ghetto looked like


Jewish police in ghetto patch
http://wilk.wpk.p.lodz.pl/~whatfor/getto/opaska1_bt.gif

http://wilk.wpk.p.lodz.pl/~whatfor/getto/stroop.jpg
SS-Brigadeführer Jürgen Stroop

http://wilk.wpk.p.lodz.pl/~whatfor/getto/stroop_1.jpg
http://wilk.wpk.p.lodz.pl/~whatfor/getto/stroop_2.jpg
Latvian unit which "cleaned" ghetto
http://wilk.wpk.p.lodz.pl/~whatfor/aa3/getto_5.jpg
http://wilk.wpk.p.lodz.pl/~whatfor/getto/g5x.jpg
http://wilk.wpk.p.lodz.pl/~whatfor/getto/g7x.jpg
http://wilk.wpk.p.lodz.pl/~whatfor/getto/g8x.jpg
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http://wilk.wpk.p.lodz.pl/~whatfor/getto/g3x.jpg
http://wilk.wpk.p.lodz.pl/~whatfor/aa3/getto_7.jpg
http://wilk.wpk.p.lodz.pl/~whatfor/getto/g13x.jpg
http://wilk.wpk.p.lodz.pl/~whatfor/getto/g19x.jpg
http://wilk.wpk.p.lodz.pl/~whatfor/getto/g20x.jpg
http://wilk.wpk.p.lodz.pl/~whatfor/aa3/getto_ckm.jpg
http://wilk.wpk.p.lodz.pl/~whatfor/getto/g9x.jpg
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http://wilk.wpk.p.lodz.pl/~whatfor/getto/g11x.jpg
http://wilk.wpk.p.lodz.pl/~whatfor/getto/stroop_3.jpg
http://wilk.wpk.p.lodz.pl/~whatfor/getto/g15x.jpg
http://wilk.wpk.p.lodz.pl/~whatfor/getto/g16x.jpg
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http://wilk.wpk.p.lodz.pl/~whatfor/getto/g18x.jpg
http://wilk.wpk.p.lodz.pl/~whatfor/aa3/getto_6.jpg
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http://wilk.wpk.p.lodz.pl/~whatfor/aa3/getto_2.jpg
http://wilk.wpk.p.lodz.pl/~whatfor/aa5/getto_powst.jpg
http://wilk.wpk.p.lodz.pl/~whatfor/aa3/getto_3.jpg
http://wilk.wpk.p.lodz.pl/~whatfor/aa3/getto_jency.jpg
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http://wilk.wpk.p.lodz.pl/~whatfor/aa4/getto_bloshe.jpg
http://wilk.wpk.p.lodz.pl/~whatfor/aa4/getto_blosche_mix.jpg
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Jurgen Stroop commander of ghetto pacification in polish prison after war (was executed in 1952)
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EDIT there is map of ghetto but you must display it on dark backgroud to see it properly...

[fdt]

What are the MGs that they are holding?
1. http://wilk.wpk.p.lodz.pl/~whatfor/aa5/getto_powst.jpg
Tommy Gun?
2. http://wilk.wpk.p.lodz.pl/~whatfor/aa4/getto_blosche_mix.jpg MP-28?

They were armed like gangsters... not regulars.

[TALOS]

What are the MGs that they are holding?
1. http://wilk.wpk.p.lodz.pl/~whatfor/aa5/getto_powst.jpg
Tommy Gun?
2. http://wilk.wpk.p.lodz.pl/~whatfor/aa4/getto_blosche_mix.jpg MP-28?

They were armed like gangsters... not regulars.
I dont see anything wrong with their weapons, they are more effective for close urban warfore then bolt action rifles (and yes I know they are germans-in-poland-ghetto and all that but I am just discussing the the weapon usage nothing else)

[Obergefreiter]

Are ypu sure those are all from the upsiring? Some of the uniforms and weapons are pre-war. I know the Algemeine SS did not receive the best weapons, but by this time you would think they would have beter weapons than Mp-18's and Mg-08's

[scrybe]

Very good pics. Sad times, for sure, but it is definately not something that should be ignored. Thanks for posting it in this forum as well.

[Marmot1]

Are ypu sure those are all from the upsiring? Some of the uniforms and weapons are pre-war. I know the Algemeine SS did not receive the best weapons, but by this time you would think they would have beter weapons than Mp-18's and Mg-08's

100% positive all are from ghetto march-may 1943 some of them are SS, some Police, and some are from various other units (captions in polish were that they were from Latvia, Lithuania - not all but some of them) and remember they were not a fromt unit but rather police unit, when uprising started front was faar faar away near Stalingrad. They also had 1 10cm (105mm?) canon and 2 or 4 flak canons...

Ahhh... BTW some of them are from Gestapo and SD...

[Hullebullen]

Are ypu sure those are all from the upsiring? Some of the uniforms and weapons are pre-war. I know the Algemeine SS did not receive the best weapons, but by this time you would think they would have beter weapons than Mp-18's and Mg-08's

IIRC, the SS had a difficult time aquiring weapons because of the Wehrmacht. The SS bought the facility that produced the MP-28, for example, to counter this. I think it was later in the war that SS became priority since Hitler's disapproval of the Wehrmacht general staff soared...

[Obergefreiter]

Are ypu sure those are all from the upsiring? Some of the uniforms and weapons are pre-war. I know the Algemeine SS did not receive the best weapons, but by this time you would think they would have beter weapons than Mp-18's and Mg-08's

IIRC, the SS had a difficult time aquiring weapons because of the Wehrmacht. The SS bought the facility that produced the MP-28, for example, to counter this. I think it was later in the war that SS became priority since Hitler's disapproval of the Wehrmacht general staff soared...

Very true, but IIRC, most of the SS type units in Warsaw were not Waffen SS, they were Algemeine SS.

Being Police units would explain the weapons quite well. There were also quite a lot of Baltic personell in the German army at this time so I do not doubt this either.

Very good pictures. Something that should not be forgotten.

[Obergefreiter]

Are ypu sure those are all from the upsiring? Some of the uniforms and weapons are pre-war. I know the Algemeine SS did not receive the best weapons, but by this time you would think they would have beter weapons than Mp-18's and Mg-08's

IIRC, the SS had a difficult time aquiring weapons because of the Wehrmacht. The SS bought the facility that produced the MP-28, for example, to counter this. I think it was later in the war that SS became priority since Hitler's disapproval of the Wehrmacht general staff soared...

Very true, but IIRC, most of the SS type units in Warsaw were not Waffen SS, they were Algemeine SS.

Being Police units would explain the weapons quite well. There were also quite a lot of Baltic personell in the German army at this time so I do not doubt this either.

Very good pictures. Something that should not be forgotten.

[UkrainianAmerican]

Never again.

[Scottie]

You should watch the Pianist fairly new one about the uprising.

[hank]

Never again.

So true, hard to believe that this stuff could happen. Its amazing what we do to each other, let's hope its not again. I think that is the most disturbing part of Schondler's List, the "cleaning". Hard to watch.

I don't want to use the word "great" or "enjoy" in this thread but thank you for posting those pics.

hank

[Chmiel]

Marmot1, you should write in bold that Warsaw Ghetto Uprising in 1943 is not the Warsaw Uprising in 1944. In western world many of people thinks that in Warsaw only Jews were fighting and they dont't know 'bout 63 days of Warsaw Uprising in 1944...I've posted some pics from 1944 (few weeks ago) and I was shocked with lack of knowlege about this part of polish resistance history...

[UoUo]

Marmot1, you should write in bold that Warsaw Ghetto Uprising in 1943 is not the Warsaw Uprising in 1944. In western world many of people thinks that in Warsaw only Jews were fighting and they dont't know 'bout 63 days of Warsaw Uprising in 1944...I've posted some pics from 1944 (few weeks ago) and I was shocked with lack of knowlege about this part of polish resistance history...

But i think that there is diffrend between Warsaw Ghetto 1943 And warsaw Uprising in 1944.

[WolverineBlue]

Makes me sick.

[perdurabo]

Marmot1, you should write in bold that Warsaw Ghetto Uprising in 1943 is not the Warsaw Uprising in 1944. In western world many of people thinks that in Warsaw only Jews were fighting and they dont't know 'bout 63 days of Warsaw Uprising in 1944...I've posted some pics from 1944 (few weeks ago) and I was shocked with lack of knowlege about this part of polish resistance history...

But i think that there is diffrend between Warsaw Ghetto 1943 And warsaw Uprising in 1944.
Yes!
but not all ppl understand that!:( and Chmiel wanted to show that this is about ghetto.


Makes me sick
And it should! it shows how ppl can be cruel to other. We should remember about tragedy of WW2 and we should make that things like that will happen never again!

[Marmot1]

Marmot1, you should write in bold that Warsaw Ghetto Uprising in 1943 is not the Warsaw Uprising in 1944. In western world many of people thinks that in Warsaw only Jews were fighting and they dont't know 'bout 63 days of Warsaw Uprising in 1944...I've posted some pics from 1944 (few weeks ago) and I was shocked with lack of knowlege about this part of polish resistance history...

But i think that there is diffrend between Warsaw Ghetto 1943 And warsaw Uprising in 1944.

To be honest Warsaw Uprising 1944 was much more bloody and more ppl died i.e. in wola district germans executed betwen 40-100 thousand in first couple of days and to the end of uprising it is estimated c.a 500 000 were killed and 78% of buildings in Warsaw destroyed

Look at this pics there is not a single building left...

http://wilk.wpk.p.lodz.pl/~whatfor/aa1/stuka_zu_fuss_stm44.jpg

But this is diferent story... I would prepare another topic about warsaw uprising maybe tomorow...

[Chmiel]

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=9056&highlight=warsaw+uprising
link to Warsaw uprising pics 1944

[Obergefreiter]

The sad part about the 1944 uprising that it could have been a victory for the Poles had the Russians not stopping outside the city to let the Germans kill them all.

No flame war here to all you Russians, Stalins decisions did not reflect those of many of his country men.

[Marmot1]

The sad part about the 1944 uprising that it could have been a victory for the Poles had the Russians not stopping outside the city to let the Germans kill them all.

No flame war here to all you Russians, Stalins decisions did not reflect those of many of his country men.

Sad part is that russians were just on the other bank of river 400m away and stoped for half a year... Also did not allowed allied planes to land on their side of front when US,British,South African,Canadian,Rhodesian,New Zelandish,Polish and other airmen risked their lives to bring ammo to fighting warsaw flying from Italian and English Bases.......

There were also polish units of Polish Peoples Army (Moscow controled) which tried to help Warsaw some of them made it throught river and helped (~2000) but it was too late and their commander was removed from command for sending help....

[Obergefreiter]

I knew they were close but did not know they were that close.

Sad.

I did not know about the Polish Peoples army and this action. Do you know where I can look into this a bit more?

[mack pl]

Try in google-"Warsaw uprising 1944"maybe that helped you a little.I dont know any sites (in english about it) :| Regards.

[Marmot1]

I knew they were close but did not know they were that close.

Sad.

I did not know about the Polish Peoples army and this action. Do you know where I can look into this a bit more?

5 batalions were send but they were partialy slaughtered since germans had some positions near river... (200m wide strip betwen riverbank and polish positions in city... only one or 2 batalions made it to the city but it was to late and actualy defenders in city were lacking of guns not mens...

[Marmot1]

Background: By summer 1944, as the Red Army was advancing from the east, the German occupying forces were perceived to be on the defensive in Poland. The Soviets were encouraging the Polish Home Army, directed by the Polish Government-in-Exile in London, to wrest Warsaw from German control; the Germans at that point had a comparatively small military presence in the Polish capital.
But troubling to the Polish partisans was that as the Soviets "liberated" eastern Poland, they left in their wake a pro-Communist civil authority, exemplified by the Lublin Committee in Lublin. Hoping to establish a non-Communist post-war government in Poland, the decision was made for the Polish Home Army to attack the Germans in Warsaw in advance of the Red Army, with the understanding that Soviet reinforcements would be available if needed. Indeed, the Red Army entered the Warsaw suburb of Praga, across the Vistula River, late in July, 1944.



The Uprising: On August 1, the Polish Home Army General Bor-Komorovski, with a force of between thirty-five and fifty thousand partisans, attacked the Germans in Warsaw. Joined in the fight by the city's Polish population, they took control of most of the city by August 4. But the Germans sent reinforcements: S.S. police units, a brigade of Russian ex-prisoners, and a brigade of ex-convicts, all of whom Hitler had previously ordered removed from the front because of their excessive brutality. The Polish forces became fragmented and isolated. The Germans pursued the cut-off fighters into the city's refuges--burned out buildings, and sewers--where virtually all the Polish forces perished.
During the sixty-three days of fighting the Red Army, encamped within sight across the Vistula, never attempted assistance. The Soviets refused permission to the Americans and British to use their airfields to drop ammunition and relief supplies. In September, when a German victory seemed certain, the Russians allowed a small amount of ammunition to be dropped in, but it was useless: it was made for Soviet armaments and did not fit the Poles' weapons.

When hostilities ceased, eighty-five percent of the city was razed, and the Polish Home Army annihilated . The Germans deported the remaining population. When the Germans were eventually defeated there were no forces left to oppose Soviet political domination in Poland.



Between September 16 and 19, 1st Polish Army detachments made landings in several points of left bank Warsaw (in Czerniaków, Powisle and Zoliborz) but due to inadequate Russian support, these bridgeheads were unsustainable. The last groups of Home Army insurgents and Ist Polish Army soldiers fought on in Czerniaków to September 23 (some of these managed to escape via the sewers or back across the Vistula. The Germans, upon gaining control of the sub-districts of Sadyba and Sielce in the southern part of the city, went onto the offensive on September 24, to quell the insurgents in the Upper Mokotów area. Its evacuation via the sewers was ordered on September 26. A day later, the last defenders capitulated. A strong German attack against Żoliborz commenced on September 29 (mainly the 19th Panzer Division), leading to that district’s capitulation the following day.

[Obergefreiter]

Great information. Thank you for the history lesson.

[StukaJr]

The sad part about the 1944 uprising that it could have been a victory for the Poles had the Russians not stopping outside the city to let the Germans kill them all.

No flame war here to all you Russians, Stalins decisions did not reflect those of many of his country men.

Sad part is that russians were just on the other bank of river 400m away and stoped for half a year... Also did not allowed allied planes to land on their side of front when US,British,South African,Canadian,Rhodesian,New Zelandish,Polish and other airmen risked their lives to bring ammo to fighting warsaw flying from Italian and English Bases.......

There were also polish units of Polish Peoples Army (Moscow controled) which tried to help Warsaw some of them made it throught river and helped (~2000) but it was too late and their commander was removed from command for sending help....

The official Soviet explanation for the action were the logistical difficulties and overextended supply lines from Zhukov's army covering so much ground in its race towards Warsaw - the real reason is belived to be Stalin's fear of the Poland's Resistence Movement, which had strong influence and support of Great Britain. Stalin wanted a puppet controled communist Europe and could not achieve that in Poland with such strong and influentual pro-Churchil leadership in its bid for retaking the power - so he let the Soviet Army watch the Warsaw burn for months from the River Banks.

Very simular to what Allies did to mostly communist French Resistence - virtually non-existent until early 1944, French Resistence became very active with Allies Landing in Italy and Soviets pushing from the East. Allies promised to Parachute in weapons and soldiers, specially trained in guierilla warfare and sabotage tactics in preparation to upcoming invassion. But on the day, the planes never showed up but in came the german panzers and slaughtered all the men who answered the call...

Those were the dark days

P.S. Let's use correct terms for the history's sake - it was the Soviet Army, not the russian and it was not the russian grunts, officers or even Zhukov's desission to sit idly by as Polish resistence was getting slaughtered. Disobeying a direct order meant "9 grams of lead" in those days pretty much.

Not directly linked to Warsaw Uprising, but almost every Soviet Soldier who took action in Europe was later sent to GULAG and "re-education" camps as they were exposed to the western way of lives. Many of those soldiers were not released until after Stalin's death or perished...

[ZeroPositive]

Great photos pity about what the Russians did.

I really enjoy looking up old WW2 photos reminds me how important the past is to the future.

[Marmot1]

The sad part about the 1944 uprising that it could have been a victory for the Poles had the Russians not stopping outside the city to let the Germans kill them all.

No flame war here to all you Russians, Stalins decisions did not reflect those of many of his country men.

Sad part is that russians were just on the other bank of river 400m away and stoped for half a year... Also did not allowed allied planes to land on their side of front when US,British,South African,Canadian,Rhodesian,New Zelandish,Polish and other airmen risked their lives to bring ammo to fighting warsaw flying from Italian and English Bases.......

There were also polish units of Polish Peoples Army (Moscow controled) which tried to help Warsaw some of them made it throught river and helped (~2000) but it was too late and their commander was removed from command for sending help....

The official Soviet explanation for the action were the logistical difficulties and overextended supply lines from Zhukov's army covering so much ground in its race towards Warsaw - the real reason is belived to be Stalin's fear of the Poland's Resistence Movement, which had strong influence and support of Great Britain. Stalin wanted a puppet controled communist Europe and could not achieve that in Poland with such strong and influentual pro-Churchil leadership in its bid for retaking the power - so he let the Soviet Army watch the Warsaw burn for months from the River Banks.

Very simular to what Allies did to mostly communist French Resistence - virtually non-existent until early 1944, French Resistence became very active with Allies Landing in Italy and Soviets pushing from the East. Allies promised to Parachute in weapons and soldiers, specially trained in guierilla warfare and sabotage tactics in preparation to upcoming invassion. But on the day, the planes never showed up but in came the german panzers and slaughtered all the men who answered the call...

Those were the dark days

P.S. Let's use correct terms for the history's sake - it was the Soviet Army, not the russian and it was not the russian grunts, officers or even Zhukov's desission to sit idly by as Polish resistence was getting slaughtered. Disobeying a direct order meant "9 grams of lead" in those days pretty much.

Not directly linked to Warsaw Uprising, but almost every Soviet Soldier who took action in Europe was later sent to GULAG and "re-education" camps as they were exposed to the western way of lives. Many of those soldiers were not released until after Stalin's death or perished...


Stuka I really apriciate Soviet grunts sacrifice and I never wanted to dishonour them... I know that it was a political decision and soldiers wanted to fight... not to sit for half a year.

As for extednded lines... at the same time when Stalin used this as an excuse he ordered to take a bridgehead just 40-50 km south of Warsaw (Magnuszew-Warka) This bridgehead was captured and held for a whole winter.... So probably capturing a city like Warsaw where large part was free of germans with enormous support form citizens would be a matter of couple of days... if not less... Liberating a warsaw was a matter of sending a single division just 2-3 km further to the west...

When offensive started in spring 1945 it took for the Soviet and Polish armys only 9 days to reach Poznan which is 300km to the west of Warsaw... and after a month they were only 70 km form Berlin...

[Obergefreiter]

Those were the dark days

P.S. Let's use correct terms for the history's sake - it was the Soviet Army, not the russian and it was not the russian grunts, officers or even Zhukov's desission to sit idly by as Polish resistence was getting slaughtered. Disobeying a direct order meant "9 grams of lead" in those days pretty much.

Not directly linked to Warsaw Uprising, but almost every Soviet Soldier who took action in Europe was later sent to GULAG and "re-education" camps as they were exposed to the western way of lives. Many of those soldiers were not released until after Stalin's death or perished...

No offense meant. I think you are correct on all accounts.

[StukaJr]

Yes, I agree - the logistical difficulties were just an excuse and not a valid reason to stop the offensive, I was not trying to justify it but give an "official" and then "closest to the truth" explanation.

My grandfather ended the war in Ukraine and he fought since the day germany invaded - first on a destroyer in the Baltic Fleet, then infantry and finished the war as a heavy mortar operator... So the fact that by the end of the war, Soviet Union fielded army large enough to occupy half of Europe and still have frontline units that didn't even come close to crossing its own borders - shows the ammount of reserves/logistical potentual soviet army had at the closing of the WWII...

Marmot1 - do you know which russian (Hiwi) brigades participated in putting down Warsaw Uprising? Was it the infamous Vlasov's divission? By the 1944, germans fielded one divission formed of ex-russian prisoners of war under command of Vlasov and another was close to completion. I've read, that german high command was so disgusted with the actions of the "general" that they had him secretely murdered - goes to show the kind of man he was...

P.S. By the way - I wasn't offended and knew that nobody meant to offend - just thought like being a sticker on terminology last night... p-)

[Marmot1]

Yes, I agree - the logistical difficulties were just an excuse and not a valid reason to stop the offensive, I was not trying to justify it but give an "official" and then "closest to the truth" explanation.

My grandfather ended the war in Ukraine and he fought since the day germany invaded - first on a destroyer in the Baltic Fleet, then infantry and finished the war as a heavy mortar operator... So the fact that by the end of the war, Soviet Union fielded army large enough to occupy half of Europe and still have frontline units that didn't even come close to crossing its own borders - shows the ammount of reserves/logistical potentual soviet army had at the closing of the WWII...

Marmot1 - do you know which russian (Hiwi) brigades participated in putting down Warsaw Uprising? Was it the infamous Vlasov's divission? By the 1944, germans fielded one divission formed of ex-russian prisoners of war under command of Vlasov and another was close to completion. I've read, that german high command was so disgusted with the actions of the "general" that they had him secretely murdered - goes to show the kind of man he was...

P.S. By the way - I wasn't offended and knew that nobody meant to offend - just thought like being a sticker on terminology last night... p-)


I must do some research but AFAIK commander was Col(Gen?) Kaminski who was executed(!!!) by germans for cruelty commited in warsaw.... also known was Dirlewanger Brigade...(made of released criminals)



There were approximately 50.000, of which 10% were properly armed, almost exclusively in hand arms. But order of starting uprising reached only 23,000 of them in time, mostly due to organisational problems.
18,000 of them were killed, 8,000-25,000 were heavily wounded, about 15,000 went into captivity. About 180,000-250,000 Polish civilians died as well, mostly as result of mass executions - e.g after taking Wola (one of Warsaw districts) German soldiers executed approximately 40,000 civilian inhabitants.

Before the Warsaw uprising it is believed that some 25,000 Jews were hiding in Warsaw. Vast majority of them died together with other Polish civilians. Many Jews (maybe as many as 1000), including those released by AK from Warsaw concentration camp (Gęsiówka), joined the Home Army

Initial German garrison was about 20,000 ill-equipped soldiers, not enough to break through Polish lines, 'though there were at least 90,000 soldiers in the area at the start of hostilities. However, when the Uprising started, Heinrich Himmler ordered the city to be recaptured and burnt to the ground, probably for ideological reasons.

By mid-September German troops were reinforced up to 50,000 men under SS general Erich von Bach-Zelewski. German losses were about 10,000-17,000 killed, 6,000 MIA and 9,000 wounded plus 300 armoured cars and tanks.

Until half of September Germans were shooting in place all caught insurgents. The main protagonists of the drama were Oskar Dirlewanger and Bronislaw Kaminski, who committed the most cruel atrocities. After von dem Bachs arrived to Warsaw (September 7), it became clear that atrocities only stiffened the resistance and that some political solution should be found due to the small forces at the disposal of the German commander. The basic idea was to gain a significant victory to show the Home Armythe futility of further fighting and make them surrender. This did not succeed, but from the end of September on, some of the captured Polish soldiers were treated as PoWs

After the uprising Germans systematically razed most of Warsaw to the ground. 85% of buildings were destroyed: 25% as a result of the uprising, 35% as result of systematic German actions after the uprising, the rest as result of the earlier Warsaw Ghetto uprising


Controversial is the role of Soviet Red Army, which stood on the other bank of Vistula River, and who haven't allowed pilots from RAF and Polish Airforces to land on Soviet landings. After the initial radio and leaflet propaganda campaign, the Moscow-backed Wanda radio station remained silent until the very end of the fighting. It has been argued that the Soviets deliberately allowed the Germans defeat the AK in order to eliminate a force in Poland which would oppose the communist puppet government which the Soviets planned to install in Poland.

[Przezdzieblo]

Marmot1 - do you know which russian (Hiwi) brigades participated in putting down Warsaw Uprising? Was it the infamous Vlasov's divission? By the 1944, germans fielded one divission formed of ex-russian prisoners of war under command of Vlasov and another was close to completion. I've read, that german high command was so disgusted with the actions of the "general" that they had him secretely murdered - goes to show the kind of man he was...


SS RONA (Russkaja Oswoboditielnaja Narodna Armija) - SS-Brigadefuehrer Mieczyslaw or Bronislaw Kaminski, shot by German in second half of August `44 (for cruelty but in fact for inefectiveness in fighting with Uprising)
ROA (Russkaja Oswoboditielnaja Armija) - gen. Andriej Wlasow (Andriei Vlasow), arested by Russian in `45

J. K. Wroniszewski, IV Obwod Armii Krajowej; Ochota, Warszawa 1997

[StukaJr]

Thanks for correction - I got the two men mixxed up