Woodland MARPAT

[Rob_A]

Heya, I have seen lots of pictures of desert MARPAT in use, and it looks the dogs b****cks, but there seems far fewer pictures of the woodland version in use knocking about.

Please take this thread as an opportunity to post links and pictures of woodland MARPAT in use :D

[MVSpartan117]

Found some


the first ones mine ;)
http://img11.photobucket.com/albums/v33/Spartan-117/joe5.jpg


http://www.usmc.mil/marinelink/image1.nsf/ae82f18a8e1b160b852568ba007e7e5e/bd6712f24541b52885256e6a0077529b/$FILE/DSC_0033.jpg

http://www.usmc.mil/marinelink/image1.nsf/ae82f18a8e1b160b852568ba007e7e5e/ba4f51312841ed8785256e6a0078b4bc/$FILE/DSC_0045.jpg

http://www.usmc.mil/marinelink/image1.nsf/ae82f18a8e1b160b852568ba007e7e5e/f9141fef7e133bc885256e6a00786cce/$FILE/DSC_0043.jpg

http://www.usmc.mil/marinelink/image1.nsf/ae82f18a8e1b160b852568ba007e7e5e/5622692f0aa568c385256e6a007bda7d/$FILE/DSC_0077.jpg

LOOK HERE! http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=11544&highlight=usmc+m16a4s

[Ryan94]

http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/US_Marines_in_Liberia

;)

[Dennis G]

^^^Great photos

[Bulkowski]

Ive seen it in person, one of the Marine recruiters had it on one day, it doesnt have the same military feeling as 3color does, but i guess it makes up for that in the field... (hope you understand what I meant :D)

[JMooch]

"I have seen lots of pictures of desert MARPAT in use, and it looks the dogs b****cks"


Why would you say that? Because they aren't pretty?
Who gives a **** about pretty. Since I've worn them in war and peace, I'll fill you in on something. They are one of the most effective camo patterns ever produced and one of the most comfortable. You look for astetically pleasing, I'll go with effective.
Semper,
Mooch

[Scrim]

JMooch-If I remember right, "dogs b ollocks" is "good to go" in Limey speak.

[squeak]

While I was watching the footage of Falluja, thats the first thing that came to mind. "Man that Desert MARPAT is great." Although there was a few swear words as adjectives put in there, but I won't write it down here. Then my next thought when the gunfire, rockets from the cobras and whatnot went down was "Get Some!"

Bravo to the designers of the Desert Marpat. ;)

[Spearin]

Yeah, the Desert MARPAT looks good, but I don't really like the looks of the Woodland pattern. CADPAT is sexier ;)

I know that these digital patterns are effective even if they don't look pretty to the eye...

[MVSpartan117]

CADPAT is too bright for most of the worlds forests, not alll of the world has vast northern pine forests ;)

[Falco]

CADPAT is too bright for most of the worlds forests, not alll of the world has vast northern pine forests ;)

It works pretty well here in Canada and in the norther latitudes, don't forget this is canada we're not going to invade the world just yet ;)

[JMooch]

"JMooch-If I remember right, "dogs b ollocks" is "good to go" in Limey speak."

My apologies then to Rob_A if that's the case.

Trust me the MARPAT's are the bomb yo.

S/F
Mooch

[Spearin]

CADPAT is too bright for most of the worlds forests, not alll of the world has vast northern pine forests ;)

http://www.army.gc.ca/Chief_Land_Staff/Clothe_the_soldier/hab/images/Photos/9013.jpg

Guess where that is.

[Falco]

CADPAT is too bright for most of the worlds forests, not alll of the world has vast northern pine forests ;)

http://www.army.gc.ca/Chief_Land_Staff/Clothe_the_soldier/hab/images/Photos/9013.jpg

Guess where that is.

Mexico? p-)

[Ratamacue]

CADPAT, when looked at outside of actual use, appears to be too bright for use anywhere but northern forests. But virtually any dot pattern is versatile in terms of environments its effective in. The advantage that MARPAT has is the "coyote brown" color, which appears to actually change depending on ambient light.

CADPAT, when looked at outside of actual use, appears to be too bright for use anywhere but northern forests. But virtually any dot pattern is versatile in terms of environments its effective in. The advantage that MARPAT has is the "coyote brown" color, which appears to actually change depending on ambient light.

is there any photo of marines in marpat that shows the effectiveness of the camo like the one in the cadpat?

[ZeroPositive]

Cadpat is far better than Marpat in my books
Apart from the Marpat in Arrid for desert use....

I use issue cadpats for my wargaming in asia and Europe and Cadpat works wonders :D

[Ratamacue]

Cadpat is far better than Marpat in my books
Apart from the Marpat in Arrid for desert use....

You really have any means to justify that CADPAT is oh-so-far-better than MARPAT?

Cadpat is far better than Marpat in my books
Apart from the Marpat in Arrid for desert use....

You really have any means to justify that CADPAT is oh-so-far-better than MARPAT?

oh shutup :lol:

[TacoDelRio]

I've got a pair of MARPAT's. Some cheapo ripoff brand. Still works and looks fine under body armor.

No camo works better than natural, local, foliage. Can't beat that! C'mon, whatcha got?

DB

[Rob_A]

Aye, dogs bollocks means very good :D

As someone said earlier, any photo's knocking around showing the woodland MARPAT blending into its surroundings?

I have owned a set for over a year now and have been told by others that it does this very well in most conditions, but obviously I cannit see myself :roll:

[Spearin]

CADPAT, when looked at outside of actual use, appears to be too bright for use anywhere but northern forests. But virtually any dot pattern is versatile in terms of environments its effective in. The advantage that MARPAT has is the "coyote brown" color, which appears to actually change depending on ambient light.

Ok... so, what you are saying is that CADPAT is only effective in northern forests.

I suppose (based on your statement) that CADPAT will be ineffective in Jungle environments.

It will also be ineffective in Desert environments (I agree), but that's why there is:

http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/photoarchive/LoRes/!2003/102903/KA2003-B018A.jpg

That other photo I posted was taken in Afghanistan by the way.

(I'm getting off-topic, I'll shut up now :))

[Dalleer]

Ah yes, a debate about camouflage. One of my favorite subjects...

So let's compare again, shall we ?

http://www.worlduniformkeith.com/image/0070.jpg

US "Woodland" MARPAT certainly does have some similarities with the Canadian CADPAT, but then again they surely are two different patterns altogether.

http://www.worlduniformkeith.com/image/0108.jpg

CADPAT. Certainly you can see that the MARPAT has taken alot of it's color scheme from the original Woodland.

http://www.worlduniformkeith.com/image/0058.jpg

CADPAT AR , wasn't it ?

http://www.worlduniformkeith.com/image/0050.jpg

Desert MARPAT


So what can I say, obviously these are all different patterns with some similarities and all.

However it does seem more so that the MARPAT's are more like digital "versions" of the older Woodland and 3-color desert patterns whereas the CADPAT is certainly an original design.

All I can say is that the digital patterns surely seem to have an advantage over the normal patterns whein it comes to camouflaging with just the "pattern" in mind.

[stuntman]

This will settle the marpat origin issue!

MARPAT - A Personal Tale - From one of the designers of the Marine Pattern camouflage

On 9/22/03, out of the blue, I got an email from a fellow asking me about the cut-down brim on my MCCU boonie hat on the patrol page. He introduced himself as Ken Henley, former Sergeant in the Marine Corps, and "one of the two Marine snipers that designed the pattern and color scheme for the new MARPAT combat utility uniform for the Marine Corps". As you can imagine, that was quite exciting for me (as I find the design philosophy behind gear and uniforms fascinating), and after explaining how I cut down the brim in my reply email, I threw in a note saying "If you ever have the time or the inclination, I'd love to hear any anecdotes or behind the scenes stories of your involvement in the development of the pattern." I didn't expect much of reply, so I was very plesantly surprised when he wrote back with his story (over the course of a few emails and correspondences), which he has kindly allowed me to share. (Ken is now a Law Enforcement Officer in Texas). Here it is (thanks again Ken):


"It all started around February of 2000. I had just been transferred from Scout Sniper Platoon 2/2 at Camp Lejeune to TBS in Quantico, Va. as a combat instructor (training new lieutenants just out of OCS). I had gained a great deal of experience and training with STA 2/2 and had gotten a Purple Heart from being wounded during an embassy reinforcement in Monrovia, Liberia in May of 1996. I had tons of ribbons and medals for being just a Sergeant (E-5) and the Purple Heart on top of that sort of made me a novelty around the place. So when two Captains from MarCorSysCom solicited TBS for me to give a lecture on camouflage for them to some students at the University of Virginia who were working on some new design theories for camouflage and colors in textiles, TBS gave them free reign of me for a few days. The guys from SysCom were impressed with me at the lecture and tried to steal me from TBS to help them work on some of their projects but since there was not a billet for me in their T/O&E, they had to "temp loan" me on an as-needed basis. I did some work for them on the camouflage helmet cover (a commercial one that would take the place of a scrap piece of IR netting), the new lightweight helmet, and a few other programs.

When General Jones, the Commandant at the time, sent the directive to SysCom to develop a new and improved uniform for the Marine Corps...the guys at SysCom came straight to me. At first I thought, "Cool, no problem...I'll just check out some current patterns, maybe tweak some color schemes and be done." Boy was I wrong. SysCom flew me up to Natick and put me in touch with two of their civilian textile engineers that ran the current uniform program. There, they had gathered samples of just about every kind of after market cammo pattern you could think of. I spent about a day with them explaining to them how "wrong" most after market hunting camo patterns are. I told them about negative space, how the eye uses templates to identify objects...etc etc. In talking to them about negative space, I told them that the best type of camouflage pattern is one that looks...like nothing at all.

I basically chose 3 patterns out of the 150+ that they had. One was the classic Vietnam issue tiger stripe. Another was a contemporary commercial tiger stripe. The third was an old Rhodesian coloration of the old version of British DPM. We took the samples down to Fall River, Mass. to a company that fabricates printing screen rolls for fabric textiles. There, they had their own computer shop that could do just about anything under the sun with graphics and color schemes. We scanned the samples onto their computers with a huge table-sized flatbed scanner. They brought the samples up on the screens for me where they were able to separate each color pattern into its own image file. After doing that, we could change color schemes and actually edit portions of the patterns to our liking.

Since this was the first trip up there, we were just trying to get some ideas flowing. We changed the color schemes of all three patterns and printed them out on some production sample paper. Everything looked good at that point and I thought we had even possibly found a contender in the modified pattern and color scheme we had gotten out of the Rhodesian DPM. The color scheme was great, it was more functional and the color blotches had been reduced in size which made the pattern work better. However, after that trip was over and I sat looking at the patterns more, I realized that I needed to be thinking outside the box and that there was a lot bigger picture to what it was that I was doing. This uniform would be taking the Marine Corps into the 21st century. Marines would be depending on this uniform to do something that no other uniform has truly done to date...conceal them in a great variety of surroundings and vegetation types. This uniform would be taking my fellow Marines into battle. My fellow Marines would be wearing it on foreign ground, depending on this uniform to do its job. When I had an epiphany and imagined a squad of Marines wearing this uniform in combat in some far off rat hole, and that the very design of its pattern and color scheme could save a life...I changed gears completely. This uniform not only needed to actually WORK, it needed to be unique . It needed to be something that the Marine Corps could call its own and that would single Marines out. It was then that I knew I could not do this by myself.

Being stationed at TBS in Quantico, I had easy access to a pool of fellow snipers just down the road at the sniper school. I went over to the school and talked to the SNCOIC (editor - we'll call him 'Gunny H.' for PERSEC) there with whom I had been in the same battalion with in Somalia in 1993. I told him all about the program and that I needed some more people to help me brain storm. He was enthusiastic about it so I told the guys at SysCom about it. They agreed to let us work together and brought the crew from Natick down to listen to a presentation from us at the sniper school. We all sat around and brain stormed a bit with the rest of the sniper school staff and even the current class that was attending the school. We also took the RARE opportunity to tell the people who design our gear, what REAL operators who actually use and abuse the equipment they design wanted, what could be improved, and what was absolutely not needed.

SysCom then sent us both back up to Fall River. We looked at the patterns that had been done on the previous trip and tweaked the color schemes a little more. 'H' had found a color swatch from the Ralph Lauren paint
section of Home Depot that was great. It was called "Coyote" (recognize the name from the main Marine base in Kuwait for the Iraq war?) (editor's note: the Ralph Lauren 'Coyote' paint colour has since been discontinued, but it can be custom mixed. It was part of the 'Santa Fe' collection of colours and the RL colour code is SF11B). We had the girl in the CAD shop scan the Coyote swatch and replace the color into the patterns that I had worked on the previous trip. Coyote was to become the primary functional color in the pattern. The colors were GREAT but we were not happy with using a pre-existing pattern. The engineers from Natick had obtained a sample of the new CADPAT. It looked good in theory but the color scheme was way off for our use. The Canadians had used way too much bright lime-green in the pattern. Their color scheme is good for northern evergreen and deciduous areas such as Canada and Europe but is not a "universal" pattern that would work well in any vegetation. Particularly in deciduous areas in winter months.

*Note: I will officially dispel the current circulating rumor that the Canadians helped advise the Marine Corps on the design of MARPAT. At no point in time in any shape, form or fashion did we consult, solicit or even ask a modest opinion from the Canadians. The only thing that MARPAT lends its origin to from the Canadians is a small scrap of cloth that compelled us to try out the idea and the -PAT descriptor. You can read a version of the CADPAT myth here at http://www.hyperstealth.com/CADPAT-MARPAT.htm . You will also see how the ignoramus editor of the hyperstealth site is making a speculation as to how the insignia is hidden in the fabric. It is really interesting to hear so many rumors out there about how this "technology" was leased, borrowed, consulted etc etc. When all we did was something anyone on a home computer with Adobe Photoshop can do on their own.


We arrived at the design of the pattern by having the girl create a "snow" screen on her computer to simulate that of a TV with no reception. She then went in and sectioned out areas of the pattern to which our colors were then added. It took a good bit of refining and pattern modification, but by the second day it came out good. We tweaked the colors just a bit more, printed out a sample, and were done.

Next came the test phase. Natick had uniforms made in what we decided would be two main test patterns. Two uniforms were made out of the modified tiger stripe we had made. Each of the two had the some of the color areas reversed for variance of effect. The same was done with the digital pattern. The uniforms were then taken down to Quantico and tested in a wide variety of vegetation, always using the current issue uniform for control. Sunlight, shadow, dawn, daylight, dusk, night, grass, bushes, trees, shrubs, wood piles. You name it, we tested it there and at all different distances with naked eye, optics and night vision. It was hands down. The digital pattern blew the others away in every single test we did over a two day period. At that point it would be decided that the digital pattern would be the one used in the new uniform.

As far as the use of colors and the dyes used to print the colors to fabric...that was a considerable portion of our testing as well. We tested the patterns in different levels of light, at different ranges, with the naked eye as well as varying powers of optics. We used night vision with and without IR illumination. We used red lens filtered light, spot lights and regular old Mini-Mag lights. We also got the uniforms wet to simulate a wet Marine who has been sweating heavily or been in the rain. This was very significant as the wet fabric test is what helped make MARPAT so superior. Almost all of the other patterns tested as well as CADPAT failed miserably when wet compared to MARPAT. Wet fabric, at night through night vision painted with IR light is in my opinion one of the best tests for a pattern. So many patterns just appear as a solid black mass in this setting. MARPAT doesn't.

The next phase of testing would be for a desert pattern. We took another trip to Natick and modified the color scheme to better suit a desert uniform. Most desert uniforms either work great in high desert with rocky areas, and suck in sandy areas, or just the opposite. Three variations of desert color schemes were produced and taken to 29 Palms, Ca. for testing against the current 3-color desert uniform. A version of the pattern and color scheme was identified that worked best in both rocky areas as well as sand. Once again, it blew the current issue uniform away.

Having decided on both patterns and color schemes for the new uniform. Our job was done. The actual cut and features of the uniform would be developed and tested by the textile engineers by taking our input on what should be changed and their own ideas and issuing uniforms to units in the field for testing. Before the end of our last trip to Fall River, and I am pretty proud to claim this for myself :) I had the idea of placing USMC into the pattern design. 'H' thought it would be good to also put in the eagle, globe and anchor with it, just like the iron on decal that we used on our uniforms. The engineers agreed and so it was done on the computer.

That was about all the use Natick and SysCom had for us on the new uniform. They got the new cut and design of the blouse and trousers done and ready for development. I wish they had asked us before they decided to make the boonie cover brim so damn wide, but oh well. They did, however take our advise on the suede desert boots as a universal hot weather boot and that went into production. The rest is sort of history so to speak. The sad irony is that I got out of the Corps in Feb. of 2001 to become a cop. I never even got the chance to wear the uniform that I had been the first to help design since the first uniforms did not hit the fleet until the end of that same year.

I do have to admit that a huge lump rose in my throat the first time I saw CNN and they showed a platoon of Marines wearing desert MARPAT in combat at Nasirya. I cant put into words the sense of pride that I felt seeing my fellow Marines, who also just happened to have been from my old regiment, wearing "my" uniform in combat. When I saw some pictures of scout snipers in MARPAT, I was even more proud. Then, when they were interviewing Marines in camp "Coyote"...well....that was just the icing on the cake.

That is the official story on how MARPAT came about and how we did it. Hope it was entertaining to you to a degree as well as informative. Don't hesitate to ask any questions you may have and feel free to share the info with your friends.

Semper Fi
Ken Henley
Former Sgt, USMC"


http://www.militarymorons.com/misc/misc.html

Enjoy!

[MolliG]

'If it looks good, it is good.' ;) :)

[Threelions]

Biggest difference between Marpat and Cadpat is the purpose behind them. Marpat is designed so that the marines can operate around the world and generally blend into the land, its a more offensive design. Cadpat, on the other hand, is a defensive design created to blend extremely well in the Canadian enviroment. The difference in colour and pattern is a difference in Military use, strategy, and deployment.

Cheers

[Rob_A]

Less talk, more pictures ;)

[Ratamacue]

CADPAT, when looked at outside of actual use, appears to be too bright for use anywhere but northern forests. But virtually any dot pattern is versatile in terms of environments its effective in. The advantage that MARPAT has is the "coyote brown" color, which appears to actually change depending on ambient light.

Ok... so, what you are saying is that CADPAT is only effective in northern forests.

I suppose (based on your statement) that CADPAT will be ineffective in Jungle environments.

If you have any reading comprehension skills whatsoever, you'd notice that's exactly what I was suggest is UNTRUE.

[MVSpartan117]

rofl

[CRAZY MERC]

Does anybody knows where can I buy Marpat or Cadpat Army issue BDU`s? Not a commercial version, like I've seen on the Ebay.
Thanks

[Dalleer]

Does anybody knows where can I buy Marpat or Cadpat Army issue BDU`s?


You and me both , although I could do with the commercial version just as well...

[marty649]

The real CADPAT is not available to the public yet, only the print scheme

[[AFSOC]]

CADPAT is too bright for most of the worlds forests, not alll of the world has vast northern pine forests ;)

http://www.army.gc.ca/Chief_Land_Staff/Clothe_the_soldier/hab/images/Photos/9013.jpg

Guess where that is.

Mexico? p-)

AFGHANISTAN!!!

[[AFSOC]]

seriously...

why are we debating about which camo is better...there both effective, and CAnada and the US are friends...soo who gives a fukk

[Joshisonfire]

]seriously...

why are we debating about which camo is better...there both effective, and CAnada and the US are friends...soo who gives a fukk

:hug:
Some people around here seem to forget that alot.

[ZeroPositive]

nice photos guys at the end of the day Cadpat works well in any Jungle/forest situation but Marpat is really good in the Autumn due to its brown.

US and Canadians allies pfft reminds me back in the day when the Canadians burned down the US capital and the white house :D

Both patterns are good just need to use them for specific environments I see marpat being used in places like the more third world nations while Cadpats green colours look best for woodland jungle yadda places.

I still like Cadpat more :D
Probably due to the USMC not having a proper issue vest in Marpat.
Cheers JC

[Ratamacue]

The Marines aren't going to issue vests in MARPAT. They're issuing their body armor in coyote brown for use both with woodland and desert cammies.

[ZeroPositive]

sounds like a half arse job to me
why wear BDUs in MArpat and find ur pouches are in woodland....
Seriously they should issue all there gear in the same camo the US has tonnes of money can't hurt to have issue it to units on the front line... :S
I dunno seems wrong having to wearing Woodland stuff with marpat.

[TacoDelRio]

Anyone have any news on the new camo pattern the US Army is supposed to be developing and fielding? I think they've made a few thus far.

DB

[Rob_A]

]seriously...

why are we debating about which camo is better...there both effective, and CAnada and the US are friends...soo who gives a fukk

I dunno, all i asked for were photos, lol :roll:

[Bombtrack]

http://www.worlduniformkeith.com/image/0058.jpg

CADPAT AR , wasn't it ?

That is actually an early prototype for Urban CADPAT. They are also prototyping some Arctic CADPAT

[Spearin]

RHLI... :slap:

[Dalleer]

http://www.worlduniformkeith.com/image/0058.jpg

CADPAT AR , wasn't it ?

That is actually an early prototype for Urban CADPAT. They are also prototyping some Arctic CADPAT

Hmm, the website that I stole that pic from also called it the "desert" CADPAT, but I guess we are both wrong then.

You got any pictures of this arctic CADPAT ?

[[AFSOC]]

um...

Ive seen one pic of Artic cadpat but it was really small, if you go sniffing around in the Canadian Army site you can prolly find it. It was in an article...

Its black,white and grey...

ZeroPositive dude....who gives a rats ass if the USMC isnt investing to have MARPAT body armor, doesnt really matter. Canada hasnt even invested into CADPAT tactical vest.

CADPAT/MARPAT are great and thats FINALLLLL

Zeropoint CAnadians/British troops did burn the white house down but the Americans also burned York down too.

[Bombtrack]

Then we levelled Baltimore.. but at least your "flag was still there" (sound familiar?). ;)

Hey Spearin, shut up - it's Scarlino :-*$

But Re: the guy who said "we are both wrong" that IS a prototype for urban cadpat, our AR CADPAT can be seen in other pics posted in the thread.

I cant find any of the Arctic CADPAT pics because it was in a Maple Leaf (our CF newspaper) article, which i havent seen online.

edit - this is all i can find for winter cadpat
http://www.army.forces.gc.ca/LF/Images/6_1/New_Equipment_2003_06_16_3.jpg

Snowshoes and a prototype of the winter operations CADPAT.

here's more on it:

CADPAT winter operations and urban

Unlike the combination of four colours in the temperate pattern and three colours in the arid pattern, the new winter operations pattern will likely combine white and shades of grey and include a reversible, all-white side.

Over the past several years, the Army has been conducting imagery and technical trials to develop a winter operations version of CADPAT.

Canada is also participating in NATO studies to determine the requirements and advantages of an urban camouflage pattern.

[[AFSOC]]

http://www.worlduniformkeith.com/image/0058.jpg

CADPAT AR , wasn't it ?

That is actually an early prototype for Urban CADPAT. They are also prototyping some Arctic CADPAT


WHAT?

Buddy are you color blind?? Thats clearly shades of brown.....the **** are you talking about.

Looks like CADPAT AR to me and im sure everyone else will agree.

[Bombtrack]

lets compare shall we:

http://www.worlduniformkeith.com/image/0058.jpg
Urban Cadpat Trial - Notice GRAY is the main colour

http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/photoarchive/LoRes/%212004/050304/KA2004-R103-455d.jpg
CADPAT (Arid Region) - Notice BROWN and TAN are the main colours

http://www.turntablelab.com/accessories/bags/tech-pocket-gray.gif GRAY

http://www.speedstermotorcar.com/images/interior-tan.jpg
TAN

[Rob_A]

I reckon it is the same, just different lighting conditions.

http://www.worlduniformkeith.com/image/0058.jpg

http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/photoarchive/LoRes/!2003/102903/KA2003-B018A.jpg

[Dalleer]

I reckon it is the same, just different lighting conditions.

Yeah, as it turns out the page where I got the photo in the first place named this pattern as the "trial desert CADPAT" which means that it certainly wasn't the final version featured on the more recent pictures but just a prototype of the CADPAT AR to come...

[pipstah]

For the cadpat part: I will tell my little experience of wearing that. First of all, people saying that it's too bright for southern place is sure wrong. Of course when its brand new out of the boxe it is. After washing it and using it intensively for a period of approx 3 months you will see that the colors will fade and you will no more have the too bright color scheme.
To clear somes positions about the others canadian digital camo. We have only the Cadpat temperate woodland and the Cadpat Arid regions. They are currently researching on the winter scheme thats it.
For the next thing: we will have everything in cadpat: boots, gloves, parka, fleece top and bottom, ballistic protection, rucksack, tactical vest and i surely miss somes. For the Arid region articles, they will be avaible only for troops who will go on mission where its needed. They will have to give back the somes of stuff after the mission. For getting your hands on real cadpat... it will be somewhat challenging to get pieces of that except if you know someone in the army.

[ZeroPositive]

]um...

ZeroPositive dude....who gives a rats ass if the USMC isnt investing to have MARPAT body armor, doesnt really matter. Canada hasnt even invested into CADPAT tactical vest.

CADPAT/MARPAT are great and thats FINALLLLL

Zeropoint CAnadians/British troops did burn the white house down but the Americans also burned York down too.

WTF the Canadians have Cadpat Tactical Vests that is issued to its troops :P Any Canadians want to prove this fellow wrong I don't know how to link pictures. Cheers

York wasn't the capital of the US, at least due to their actions you got your white house.
:D

[pipstah]

there you go:
http://www.army.forces.gc.ca/chief_land_staff/clothe_the_soldier/hab/2/271_e.asp

[ZeroPositive]

Cheers Pipstah :D

Good on you mate :) :-*$

[ZoneOne]

I know i'll get flamed for this -- but most all CAMO patterns that come out suck

They are too contrasting... good camo doesnt contrast but it all flows like NATURE

but when i think of camo i think of ULTIMATE camoflauge -- in terms for Animals and ppl

but i guess you only need this to hide from the ppl

my opinion is there's really not much difference of camo patterns that REALLY help in Iraq and in a desert condition from CAD to MAR