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SOG
06-01-2007, 02:55 PM
COLDWATER, Mich. - Jack Kevorkian, the retired pathologist dubbed "Dr. Death" for claims that he participated in at least 130 assisted suicides, left prison after eight years Friday still believing people have the right to die.
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A smiling Kevorkian, now 79, said it was "one of the high points in life" as he walked out with his attorney.

Mike Wallace, the correspondent for "60 Minutes," whose airing of a Kevorkian-aided suicide led to the charges and his prison term, met Kevorkian outside with an embrace and the words, "What do you say, young man?"

Kevorkian is to appear in a "60 Minutes" segment Sunday, and his attorney Mayer Morganroth said his client planned a news conference Tuesday.

"He thanks everybody for coming. He thanks the thousands who have supported him, have written to him and the enormous amount of people who have really been comfortable in supporting him," Morganroth said. "He just wants a little privacy for the next few days."

Throughout the 1990s, Kevorkian challenged authorities to make his actions legal — or try to stop him. He burned state orders against him and showed up at court in costume.

"You think I'm going to obey the law? You're crazy," he said in 1998 shortly before he was accused — and then convicted — of murder after injecting lethal drugs into Thomas Youk, 52, an Oakland County man suffering from Lou Gehrig's disease. Kevorkian had videotaped Youk's death and sent it to "60 Minutes."

The conviction earned Kevorkian a 10- to 25-year sentence for second degree murder, but he earned time off his sentence for good behavior.

He is expected to now move to Bloomfield Hills, just outside Detroit, where he will live with friends and resume the artistic and musical hobbies he missed in prison. His lawyer and friends have said he plans to live on a small pension and
Social Security while doing some writing and make some speeches.

Kevorkian has promised never to help in another assisted suicide. But Ruth Holmes, who has worked as his legal assistant and handled his correspondence while he was in prison, said his views on the subject haven't changed.

"This should be a matter that is handled as a fundamental human right that is between the patient, the doctor, his family and his God," Holmes said of Kevorkian's beliefs.

In a recent interview, Kevorkian also made it clear that his support for letting people decide when they want to die hasn't wavered.

"It's got to be legalized. That's the point," he told WJBK-TV in Detroit. "I'll work to have it legalized. But I won't break any laws doing it."

The Michigan Catholic Conference says it will oppose any effort to renew the push for assisted suicide in Michigan.

The state has had a law banning assisted suicide since 1998, the same year voters rejected a ballot proposal that would have made physician-assisted suicide legal for terminally ill patients. Oregon is the only state in the nation in which a terminally ill patient with six months or less to live can legally ask a doctor to prescribe a lethal amount of medication.

Kevorkian will be on parole for two years, and one of the conditions he must meet is that he can't help anyone else die. He is also prohibited from providing care for anyone who is older than 62 or is disabled. He could go back to prison if he violates his parole.

He will report regularly to a parole officer and won't be able to leave the state without permission. He can speak about assisted suicide, but can't show people how to make a machine like one he invented to give lethal drugs to those who wanted to die, Department of Corrections spokesman Russ Marlan said.

Kevorkian did not have many possessions to take out of prison with him, in part because many of them have disappeared.

"Strange as this may seem, last month ... someone stole his manuscript he'd been writing and his belongings," Morganroth said, adding that he expects someone took Kevorkian's clothes and medicine to sell on eBay.

Holmes said Kevorkian was looking forward to eating some of the things he couldn't freely get in prison, including a sandwich of plain sliced turkey on thin lavosh bread.

"He's looking forward to some grapes and apricots," she said. "He loves pistachios."

Working with Kevorkian, Holmes already has sent to a book publisher about 250 of the thousands of letters he got while in prison.

"He wasn't able to answer all of them, but it was very heartwarming to see the number of people who wrote to him from all over the world," she said.

Geoffrey Fieger, Kevorkian's former attorney, said that once Kevorkian is off probation, he should continue assisting people who want to commit suicide.

"He's on a short leash for the next two years," Fieger said Friday. "After that, it will be another story. After two years, he no longer is going to be under their thumb."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070601/ap_on_re_us/kevorkian_s_release

semi interesting subject. i figured its sensitive enough to be under rants instead of general news.

English
06-01-2007, 05:10 PM
People should have the right to die if they want to. It's their life, their choice.

Keeping someone alive when they wish for death is cruel.


I 100% support his attempts to get it legalized, and wish him the best of luck, in those attempts and the rest of his life.

Roids
06-01-2007, 05:20 PM
Agreed, those who are willing to die will just seek other means that may not be so pleasant if it remains illegal. No use in prolonging the suffering.

Calanen
06-01-2007, 05:42 PM
Agreed. If you have terminal cancer, are in shocking pain every day, and want to go to sleep and never wake up - where's the harm.

What many of you may not know is that Australia had the first euthenasia comprehensive legislation in the Northern Territory. The Federal government overrruled it with their own legislation.

Old Golanchik
06-01-2007, 05:59 PM
Most people think Mr K is right, but they conceal this. I personally think he did a great service to the suffering and the ill.

VG

[WDW]Megaraptor
06-01-2007, 06:11 PM
This guy is a creep. Look at the way he went about what he did. First he was an advocate and talked about assisting suicides, then he gave people drugs to commit suicide with and watched them die, then he directly killed someone.

The way he talks about this, and the way he slowly escalated violence (like any serial killer) makes me think that instead of an advocate, he's messed up in the head and should be considered a serial killer.

sp2c
06-01-2007, 06:20 PM
Megaraptor;2536343']This guy is a creep. Look at the way he went about what he did. First he was an advocate and talked about assisting suicides, then he gave people drugs to commit suicide with and watched them die, then he directly killed someone.

The way he talks about this, and the way he slowly escalated violence (like any serial killer) makes me think that instead of an advocate, he's messed up in the head and should be considered a serial killer.

yeah that's the feeling I get from the guy ... just some sicko taking advantage of the whole euthanasia issue (which I support)

Kilkenny
06-01-2007, 07:10 PM
Wasn't he the guy who operated on people in the movie Hostel? part of that hunting club thing.

Flagg
06-02-2007, 01:16 AM
Megaraptor;2536343']This guy is a creep. Look at the way he went about what he did. First he was an advocate and talked about assisting suicides, then he gave people drugs to commit suicide with and watched them die, then he directly killed someone.

The way he talks about this, and the way he slowly escalated violence (like any serial killer) makes me think that instead of an advocate, he's messed up in the head and should be considered a serial killer.

I cannot speak on behalf of Doctor Kevorkian, but I can speak for myself.

In my opinion, I find it hard to understand why my DOG is allowed to die with dignity to end his suffering, but I cannot.

RECON DOC
06-02-2007, 01:48 AM
This man should never have gone to prison.

My Mom passed back in 94 from colon cancer. I was brutal to see this woman who had born nine children and was always so strong and full of life, withering away and in a completely miserable, pain wracked state. She had gone into a coma and was very near the end. It was my turn to sit with her and hold her hand and wet her lips with a sponge and talk to her and tell her it was OK to let go. It was driving me mad to see her that way. I felt ashamed to have had thoughts of smothering her with her pillow to end her agony and I couldn't bring myself to do it, although I knew it would have been more merciful.
Finally my brother and I convinced the doctor to remove the IV which was helping to keep her heart beating and he gradually increased her morphine drip untill she overdosed and died. I was very greatfull to him for ending her pain, and I'm sure she was too.

People must be allowed their dignity.

LaoSexMachine
06-02-2007, 01:54 AM
This man should never have gone to prison.

My Mom passed back in 94 from colon cancer. I was brutal to see this woman who had born nine children and was always so strong and full of life, withering away and in a completely miserable, pain wracked state. She had gone into a coma and was very near the end. It was my turn to sit with her and hold her hand and wet her lips with a sponge and talk to her and tell her it was OK to let go. It was driving me mad to see her that way. I felt ashamed to have had thoughts of smothering her with her pillow to end her agony and I couldn't bring myself to do it, although I knew it would have been more merciful.
Finally my brother and I convinced the doctor to remove the IV which was helping to keep her heart beating and he gradually increased her morphine drip untill she overdosed and died. I was very greatfull to him for ending her pain, and I'm sure she was too.

People must be allowed their dignity.

Same here. MY mom suffered through cancer. Broke my heart just seeing her lying there wasting away.



Don't judge till you see it first hand and to someone you love above all things.

RECON DOC
06-02-2007, 01:56 AM
Same here. MY mom suffered through cancer. Broke my heart just seeing her lying there wasting away.



Don't judge till you see it first hand and to someone you love above all things.


Amen Brother.

Nano
06-02-2007, 02:05 AM
I agree with you Recon Doc and Ezekiel. The way I see it as simply a matter of forcing/having others to follow your beliefs and nothing to do with murder or helping the patient in cases like these. The man did nothing wrong it is just some pricks who feel the need to control our lives like it was theirs.

a_very_ex_STAB
06-02-2007, 04:10 AM
I cannot speak on behalf of Doctor Kevorkian, but I can speak for myself.

In my opinion, I find it hard to understand why my DOG is allowed to die with dignity to end his suffering, but I cannot.


Having seen my mother die a very slow painful death in hospital I wholeheartedly agree.

Lazy Lob
06-02-2007, 07:06 AM
I agree with you Recon Doc and Ezekiel. The way I see it as simply a matter of forcing/having others to follow your beliefs and nothing to do with murder or helping the patient in cases like these. The man did nothing wrong it is just some pricks who feel the need to control our lives like it was theirs.

Very well put.

Zerstoerer
06-02-2007, 09:53 AM
While killing healthy, unborn children who don't have a voice is legal, it is illegal to help sick/suffering to die in dignity.

That's sick ****.

[WDW]Megaraptor
06-02-2007, 10:59 AM
How is being euthanized LIKE A SICK PUPPY "dying with dignity"???

Knowing it's going to hurt more than anything that has ever hurt before, and still going through it just to get a few more days with your friends and family, now that's dying with dignity. committing suicide is taking the easy way out.

I know what I would do in that situation, and it wouldn't involve killing myself.

It has nothing to do with "forcing others to follow your narrow beliefs". It has everything to do with it being a small step from physician-assisted suicide to physician-suggested suicide.

Firetxmi
06-02-2007, 03:45 PM
Megaraptor;2537369']How is being euthanized LIKE A SICK PUPPY "dying with dignity"???

Knowing it's going to hurt more than anything that has ever hurt before, and still going through it just to get a few more days with your friends and family, now that's dying with dignity. committing suicide is taking the easy way out.

I know what I would do in that situation, and it wouldn't involve killing myself.



And YOU are free to do as YOU wish.

I will say that pissing, sh*ting, and drooling/vomiting all over myself does not seem like dying with dignity to me. I don't want someone to have to "wet my lips" (as one member stated) because I can't do it on my own, or not be able to swallow. Sometimes it isn't just a pain thing (for example Lou Gehrigs Disease- ALS).

I think what he did was fine. I have seen some horrible deaths where the person wished for death. Its pretty heartbreaking.

As a side note- Kevorkian spent a fair amount of time in one of the five prisons about 17 miles south of me.

Calanen
06-02-2007, 10:29 PM
Megaraptor;2537369']I know what I would do in that situation, and it wouldn't involve killing myself..

With respect, no you don't.

LaoSexMachine
06-02-2007, 10:30 PM
Megaraptor;2537369']


I know what I would do in that situation, and it wouldn't involve killing myself.
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Saying it is one thing but going through it is another. You don't know till you are about to cross that bridge.

rjc_rbnj
06-02-2007, 10:50 PM
I cannot speak on behalf of Doctor Kevorkian, but I can speak for myself.

In my opinion, I find it hard to understand why my DOG is allowed to die with dignity to end his suffering, but I cannot.

Oh how I agree!!!!! I'd rather die on my feet than on my knees! I'd rather die with dignity than die rotting away in a hospital with tubes going in and out of my body, or lying around like a newborn infant in a persistant vegitative state.

Our current administration - keeps their hands off corporate America, but wants to run our personal lives!!!!!!!!!

ce267
06-03-2007, 12:18 PM
no one should act the god..eventually everybody dies..pains and sorrows part of real life.. l think Dr.Kevorkian was killer and deserved to send jail...

a_very_ex_STAB
06-04-2007, 03:09 AM
Megaraptor;2537369']How is being euthanized LIKE A SICK PUPPY "dying with dignity"???

Knowing it's going to hurt more than anything that has ever hurt before, and still going through it just to get a few more days with your friends and family, now that's dying with dignity. committing suicide is taking the easy way out.

I know what I would do in that situation, and it wouldn't involve killing myself.

It has nothing to do with "forcing others to follow your narrow beliefs". It has everything to do with it being a small step from physician-assisted suicide to physician-suggested suicide.

How would you feel about the availability of euthanasia as an option if your mother was conscious, lucid, in great pain and dying a horrific death in hospital with no hope of survival and was begging you to go home, get your gun, smuggle it into the hospital and shoot her?
And I am talking from personal experience here.

SPROCKET
06-04-2007, 12:08 PM
I agree with you Recon Doc and Ezekiel. The way I see it as simply a matter of forcing/having others to follow your beliefs <snip>.

What's interesting is that a lot of people, who are opposed to others shuffeling off this mortal coil as they see fit, preach personal accountability in other areas. Then again, at least they are not as rapacious and craven as the medical industry that simply sees more profitable fruit, ripe for the picking, from the tree of human misery.

AgentX
06-04-2007, 12:53 PM
Megaraptor;2537369']I know what I would do in that situation, and it wouldn't involve killing myself.
I recommend that you read the story of Ramón Sampedro, and watch Amenábar's movie The Sea Inside (Mar adentro), based on his life and death.

Death is sometimes much more beautiful than a life full of agony and pain. You, obviously, haven't experienced anything like that and I wish that you don't, ever!