The fisrt Special Operations Group...

[Sierra]

The soldiers that were in the Trojan Horse could of been the first Special Operations Group because they went in in stealth, undiscovered, and allowed the rest of the military to come in, attack, and rescue the princess.

your thoughts

[bishop1]

Ehhhh while i love Greek history as much as anyone, i dont think the Greeks under Agememnon (sp) would have been as elite as compared to the Spartans, ecspecially considering the rest of Greeces citizen army, the Spartans of the starting at the 6th century who truly elite warriors, they embodied everything our Special Ops guys do now, in my opinion.

[ChuckThunder]

The soldiers that were in the Trojan Horse could of been the first Special Operations Group because they went in in stealth, undiscovered, and allowed the rest of the military to come in, attack, and rescue the princess.

your thoughts

What? :roll:

[Sierra]

The soldiers that were in the Trojan Horse could of been the first Special Operations Group because they went in in stealth, undiscovered, and allowed the rest of the military to come in, attack, and rescue the princess.

your thoughts

What? :roll:what it says :|

also, who is ChuckThunder btw?

[ChuckThunder]

The soldiers that were in the Trojan Horse could of been the first Special Operations Group because they went in in stealth, undiscovered, and allowed the rest of the military to come in, attack, and rescue the princess.

your thoughts

What? :roll:what it says :|

also, who is ChuckThunder btw?

ChuckThunder is the best shoer in the world. Google it.

[incubz5]

Of course they were Special Operations Forces.

That qualified as a crucial operation and they were selected based on their merit.

[UkrainianAmerican]

Ehhhh while i love Greek history as much as anyone, i dont think the Greeks under Agememnon (sp) would have been as elite as compared to the Spartans, ecspecially considering the rest of Greeces citizen army, the Spartans of the starting at the 6th century who truly elite warriors, they embodied everything our Special Ops guys do now, in my opinion.
Homo******ity?
:lol:

[Beowulf]

Ehhhh while i love Greek history as much as anyone, i dont think the Greeks under Agememnon (sp) would have been as elite as compared to the Spartans, ecspecially considering the rest of Greeces citizen army, the Spartans of the starting at the 6th century who truly elite warriors, they embodied everything our Special Ops guys do now, in my opinion.
Homo******ity?
:lol:

that was actually kinda funny.

In the Symposium Phaedrus proposes that armies shold be composed of all (male) lovers, b/c they will fight and die for each other and would not want to be disgraced in front of their love. He uses Achilles and Patroclus as an example.

Apparently the afghans took the advice to heart. :D

[squeak]

Hopefully this new movie coming out about Troy should be good.
The name of the movie is just that "Troy".

But to the question at hand:

Special Opertaions, I don't think so. A Special Operation yes.
It may have opened up peoples minds to warfare other than direct conflict on open ground.

I think if we look at any war, battle or whatnot, there will be examples of Special Operations undertaken by skilled soldiers. Whether or not these are true Special Forces is open to interpretation.

[ibstolidude]

Ehhhh while i love Greek history as much as anyone, i dont think the Greeks under Agememnon (sp) would have been as elite as compared to the Spartans, ecspecially considering the rest of Greeces citizen army, the Spartans of the starting at the 6th century who truly elite warriors, they embodied everything our Special Ops guys do now, in my opinion.
Homo******ity?
:lol:

that was actually kinda funny.

In the Symposium Phaedrus proposes that armies shold be composed of all (male) lovers, b/c they will fight and die for each other and would not want to be disgraced in front of their love. He uses Achilles and Patroclus as an example.

Apparently the afghans took the advice to heart. :D
14 dudes - 6 blankets, you do the math.

[Sierra]

Ehhhh while i love Greek history as much as anyone, i dont think the Greeks under Agememnon (sp) would have been as elite as compared to the Spartans, ecspecially considering the rest of Greeces citizen army, the Spartans of the starting at the 6th century who truly elite warriors, they embodied everything our Special Ops guys do now, in my opinion.
Homo******ity?
:lol:

that was actually kinda funny.

In the Symposium Phaedrus proposes that armies shold be composed of all (male) lovers, b/c they will fight and die for each other and would not want to be disgraced in front of their love. He uses Achilles and Patroclus as an example.

Apparently the afghans took the advice to heart. :D
14 dudes - 6 blankets, you do the math.LMAO! rofl

[NcDeuce]

Ehhhh while i love Greek history as much as anyone, i dont think the Greeks under Agememnon (sp) would have been as elite as compared to the Spartans, ecspecially considering the rest of Greeces citizen army, the Spartans of the starting at the 6th century who truly elite warriors, they embodied everything our Special Ops guys do now, in my opinion.
Homo******ity?
:lol:

that was actually kinda funny.

In the Symposium Phaedrus proposes that armies shold be composed of all (male) lovers, b/c they will fight and die for each other and would not want to be disgraced in front of their love. He uses Achilles and Patroclus as an example.

Apparently the afghans took the advice to heart. :D
14 dudes - 6 blankets, you do the math.

:lol:

But to answer the question...
Special Ops??? Noooooo!
Unconventional? Yes

[Beowulf]

one cot two guards....spooning...it was sooo sweet.

[Caraway]

Ehhhh while i love Greek history as much as anyone, i dont think the Greeks under Agememnon (sp) would have been as elite as compared to the Spartans, ecspecially considering the rest of Greeces citizen army, the Spartans of the starting at the 6th century who truly elite warriors, they embodied everything our Special Ops guys do now, in my opinion.
Homo******ity?
:lol: So, you like Tom of Finland...rrrrrrr.

[the_spec]

It's a completely mythical tale. There is no archaeological evidence whatsoever of any trojan horse or the particular war, so the question whether this was the first SpecOps group is redundant.

[ronin2172]

It's a completely mythical tale. There is no archaeological evidence whatsoever of any trojan horse or the particular war, so the question whether this was the first SpecOps group is redundant.

Not saying that u r wrong but there was an archeological expedition to the location Homer gave for the trojan war...and they did find evidence of a walled city that was in existence at the time homer said troy existed. And the ruins they found showed signs that it was put to the torch (as troy was at the end of the story).

Now what happened there we don't know and never will but the fact that there is no evidence of a horse ( it was wooden and the city was burned down around it ,so it is logical to assume it could have burned up and left no trace) doesn't mean there wasn't some battle fought there.

Did it happen just like Homer said...in all likelehood no. that would mean the stories about achilles and the river styx would be true and all. But u can't say nothing happened there at all, none of us was alive back then so who knows for sure. You just have to take the story with a grain of salt. It wouldn't be the last time a fictional work was based on a real event.or the last time a author took creative license and was all loosey goosey with the facts.

Archeologists r constantly finding new pieces of evidence, for example common wisdom states that the pyramids were built by slaves, but recent digs at Giza are showing that this might not be the case.

[the_spec]

Yes, I know what you're saying but when they discovered the site of troy, they also discovered that it has been destroyed and rebuild a number of times, the new one always on top of the old one. That way it is really hard to determine what was destroyed when and what belonged where. Also Homer wrote the ilias in 730BC, which is a few hundred years after the supposed big war.
So basically you either believe it or you don't, 'cause you can't prove that it happened and you also can't prove that it didn't happen.

[ronin2172]

Yes, I know what you're saying but when they discovered the site of troy, they also discovered that it has been destroyed and rebuild a number of times, the new one always on top of the old one. That way it is really hard to determine what was destroyed when and what belonged where. Also Homer wrote the ilias in 730BC, which is a few hundred years after the supposed big war.
So basically you either believe it or you don't, 'cause you can't prove that it happened and you also can't prove that it didn't happen.

u r right about there being multiple settlements, like i said the evidence is not conclusive in any way shape or form. I take it for what it's worth, a nice yarn that may or may not have been based on an actual event.

As for the first spec ops unit, i dunno. While hiding in a horse in the middle of an enemy position is unconventional, they were not a permanent unit who routinely conducted or even specialized in unconventional warfare.

To be honest the earliest records i saw of spec ops type actions come from japan during the fuedal period. These were conducted by shinobi aka ninja (yes they did exist!lol). These ops included guerrila warfare, recon missions, snatching prisoners (not so dissimilar from what Delta was tasked to do in somalia) and these men (and women) were used when secrecy, precision and (most importantly ) deniability was necessary.

[ronin2172]

double post sorry