Israel will sign Nuclear threaty , and opens to inspection .

[Javehn]

Again , i couldn't find this report on English (big surprise) , but here it is translated .

Iranian news agency announced from Diplomatic source in Vienna (the place of International Atomic Energy Agency) , that the head of the agency , Muhamad El Bardawi is going to visit Israel , in order to reveal Israeli nuclear abilities .

J.W. Bush and Sharon agreed betwen themself ,during their last visit at 14 April , that Al-Bardawi would be allowed to visit Dimona nuclear plant , and other several Israeli nuclear research centers (In Nahal Sorek ) . After his visit Israel will declare on it's willing to sign to sign the Nuclear threaty , like the non distribution and etc , and it will join the official Nuclear countries club , while opening it's arsenal to inspection . Probably later it's going to dismantle some of it's arsenal .

(The Hebrew source : http://nfc.msn.co.il/archive/001-D-45300-00.html?tag=7-24-44 ) .
http://www.nfc.co.il/uploadimages/UKrsbJ.jpg
Dimona plant .


On the same time , the Agency surrendered to Arab pressures to review Israeli nuclear possabilities , as unstable factor in middle east, when the Agency supposed to gather and discust Iranian progress on that area . Arab league demanded and said , tht the only threateting nuclear power in area is Israeli arsenal .
According to Agency research , Israel has 300 nuclear warheads , and ability to create Hidrogen bomb .

Again , on the same time , Iran is fooling UN (we will stop the process of Uranium enrichment ) , assigned new comminy to hide Nuclear project advance , The government of Iran ordered to accheave Nuclear abillity by 2005 , and all this while it's not responding to pressure from the Agency and El Bardawi says : "Our patient is ending . Iran don't collaborate with UN inspectors " .



So , i remember exactly what you wrote in your previous posts about this matter , Ininen . What do you have to say about it now ?

[UoUo]

Wait a seccend...so israel have nukes?

[WolverineBlue]

Wait a seccend...so israel have nukes?

Yes, and that's why the Middle East hasn't erupted into bloodbath. :P

[S'13]

Israel to open nuclear facilities to Atomic Agency
By JPOST.COM STAFF

Israel will reveal its nuclear secrets to International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) head Mohammed El Baradei, during his visit to the country in July, reported Army Radio Wednesday.

Israel's permanent representative to the IAEA, Gabriella Guffney, told the BBC Doctor El Baradei would be visiting Israel in July for what she described as a routine visit.

She said the trip was still in the planning phase and that further details would be released at a later date.

A spokesman for the IAEA, Melissa Fleming, said this would be Doctor El Baradei's first trip to Israel in six years.

She said he intends to use the trip to promote non-proliferation and a nuclear weapons free zone in the Middle East.

The visit was agreed upon by Prime Minister Ariel Sharon during his meeting with US President George Bush last month.

Israel has expressed its willingness to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty after the visit under condition that it will be recognized as the only nuclear power in the region.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1083726862199

[Kilgor]

i dont trust the Iranian's though.

Alot of evidence points towards a offensive nuclear program.

Oh well... wont be too long till Israel tries out the new F-16s and bombs a few reactors :)

[UoUo]

i dont trust the Iranian's though.

Alot of evidence points towards a offensive nuclear program.

Oh well... wont be too long till Israel tries out the new F-16s and bombs a few reactors :)

F-16I ;)

And if we do so...it would be much more hard then what we did to the Iraqis.

[Kilgor]

I hope the bomb cam film can be hosted here too.

Look forward too it :D

[FDF_Hemppis]

Wow! Didn't see that one coming :roll:

But this is a good thing, none the less. Israel will finally show what it has been hiding all these years, since it's only been a public secret for decades now ;) But then again, what did they actually have to hide? Nothing, I think.

This is a giant slap to their enemies face, for they can no longer criticize Israelis for their nuclear secrets and not letting IAEA to its installations. Tactically, a good move.

[-=P=-]

What has Iran to do with this, Iran has opened its facilities and also have no bomb nor has its program notable weapon applications, but Israel...

[Javehn]

What has Iran to do with this, Iran has opened its facilities and also have no bomb nor has its program notable weapon applications, but Israel...

But Israel what ? You forgot to finnish your sentence . I guess no matter what , the critisism cannot be over .

Iran has opened it's facilities , you say ? Ok , if you say so .
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/iran/2003/iran-030911-rferl-090523.htm


Inspectors with the UN agency say they recently found traces of weapons-grade, highly-enriched uranium at an Iranian nuclear facility. But Iran says its nuclear program is aimed only at generating electricity.

Yesterday, Iranian Foreign Minister Kamal Kharrazi said Iran may reconsider its cooperation with the UN nuclear watchdog if it is denied the right to what he called "a peaceful" nuclear program.



Yes , sounds like complete and full cooperation indeed . Muhamad El-Baradey , head of the Nuclear commity , was unraged on Iran because it was so collaborating and open with the comity .

[2Sheds_Jackson]

I wonder what Iran, a nation awash in oil, can gain from a "peaceful" nuclear program. They don't need the energy.

[Kenshin]

I wonder what Iran, a nation awash in oil, can gain from a "peaceful" nuclear program. They don't need the energy.

They just somethin else to play with.. they tired of crued oil pool.

[-=P=-]

I have already talked about this in one thread a week ago or so... But I repeat.

"But Israel what ? You forgot to finnish your sentence . I guess no matter what , the critisism cannot be over . "

But Israel’s program is clearly a weapon program; it’s a 100-150MW heavy water reactor which end product is pure weapon grade plutonium. Such reactor are also called plutonium breeders and plutonium is only useful for one propose...

Iran’s main reactor is a 1000MW light water reactor, it would be a total waste of time and money to build such a large plant which produce only very small amounts of plutonium, Iran also build its own 40MW heavy water reactor but its much smaller than the Israeli one and under UN control, because its small size it is in the class of a research reactor, not a plutonium breeder like the Dimona.

Building a 100-150MW heavy water reactor for producing energy is completely out of question. Both the Iranian 1000MW civil and the 40MW research reactor will be under UN control from the first day.

To make it easy:

Iran: Large Light water reactor = Civilian

Israel: Medium Heavy water reactor = Weapon or research program ( but because of its size extremely unlikely to be a only-research reactor)

"Iran has opened it's facilities , you say ? Ok , if you say so . Yes , sounds like complete and full cooperation indeed . Muhamad El-Baradey , head of the Nuclear commity , was unraged on Iran because it was so collaborating and open with the comity . "

Sure it is open, if not the UN would say that Iran denied access to the facilities, if Iran do that you can come again and say something. The UN has even access to prototype systems like the P2 centrifuges, no country in the world like to show its new industry design but they found them.

@ 2Sheds_Jackson

„I wonder what Iran, a nation awash in oil, can gain from a "peaceful" nuclear program. They don't need the energy.“

Hmmm… did you know that Iran still import petrol from other countries ? Not only that, do you know that Oil can run out ? For a country which has natural uranium reserves, it’s also not a bad idea to make use of it. If Iran produce a part of its energy trough nuclear energy, it also can export more Oil and be partly independent from other energy sources if there are problems with them. Did you know that Iran produce its own wind generators and has also build its for solar energy plant a year ago ? Did you know that this reactor which is now nearly ready was already to about 70% ready at time Iran and America were best friends ?

[citizen-k]

Iran is a peaceful country, with out any intentions to use WMD weapons of any kind agaist any other nation.

Please remind me when was the last time Israel threatened to wipeout Iran/Iraq Syria, Saudi Arabia or Kuwait? (other then as last resort)

[Uninen]

Javehn,

This surely is a step towards better and more "healthy" policy, but we just have to wait and see. ;)

But it would be great if their (your) intentions really are to truly "come clean". :)

[S'13]

But it would be great if their (your) intentions really are to truly "come clean". :)

Now the expert knows what our intentions are :roll:

[aktarian]

I wonder what Iran, a nation awash in oil, can gain from a "peaceful" nuclear program. They don't need the energy.

Interesting how this wasn't an issue when US helped Iran build Bushehr reactor in 1970s. When Iran had 1/3 smaller population and more oil.....

[S'13]

I wonder what Iran, a nation awash in oil, can gain from a "peaceful" nuclear program. They don't need the energy.

Interesting how this wasn't an issue when US helped Iran build Bushehr reactor in 1970s. When Iran had 1/3 smaller population and more oil.....

Maybe because it was prior to the Islamic revolution which turned Iran into a radical Islamic state...

[ExtraT]

I wouldn't trust a report by an Iranian news agency. Not to mention that it's full of loopholes.

It's a crude provocation - nothing more.

[ExtraT]

Javehn,

This surely...

Shut up, nazi!!!! :bash:

[aktarian]

I wonder what Iran, a nation awash in oil, can gain from a "peaceful" nuclear program. They don't need the energy.

Interesting how this wasn't an issue when US helped Iran build Bushehr reactor in 1970s. When Iran had 1/3 smaller population and more oil.....

Maybe because it was prior to the Islamic revolution which turned Iran into a radical Islamic state...

And how does having islamic regime reduce your energy need?

[Javehn]

But it would be great if their (your) intentions really are to truly "come clean". :)

Now the expert knows what our intentions are :roll:

Yes, before i thought that only Mr. Nielsen is the only mind reader . Now there is another one .

I personally bellieve that in close years the production of tactical nuclear arms will be siezed to zero , and the plant will only produce regular hardware (half of the missiles the world use have parts produced in Dimona plant) .

[HELEX]

This is a big step, every other country cant point the Finger on Israel any longer to avoid inspections. This is a bigger step towards peace than most here can imagine!

[S'13]

I wonder what Iran, a nation awash in oil, can gain from a "peaceful" nuclear program. They don't need the energy.

Interesting how this wasn't an issue when US helped Iran build Bushehr reactor in 1970s. When Iran had 1/3 smaller population and more oil.....

Maybe because it was prior to the Islamic revolution which turned Iran into a radical Islamic state...

And how does having islamic regime reduce your energy need?

Nothing to do with energy but the fact that the U.S helped Iran build a reactor beacause it was an ally.

Today Iran is an enemy which is building a reactor under very suspicious circumstances...

[oldsoak]

Very astute of the Israelis. :) and a good step for them to make.
This can only make the ME safer.

[aktarian]

I wonder what Iran, a nation awash in oil, can gain from a "peaceful" nuclear program. They don't need the energy.

Interesting how this wasn't an issue when US helped Iran build Bushehr reactor in 1970s. When Iran had 1/3 smaller population and more oil.....

Maybe because it was prior to the Islamic revolution which turned Iran into a radical Islamic state...

And how does having islamic regime reduce your energy need?

Nothing to do with energy but the fact that the U.S helped Iran build a reactor beacause it was an ally.

Today Iran is an enemy which is building a reactor under very suspicious circumstances...

That wasn't what original post was about. 2sheds asked why does oil rich nation need nuclear reactor. I asked why it was OK when they had 1/3 smaller population and more oil but not now.

[UoUo]

I wonder what Iran, a nation awash in oil, can gain from a "peaceful" nuclear program. They don't need the energy.

Interesting how this wasn't an issue when US helped Iran build Bushehr reactor in 1970s. When Iran had 1/3 smaller population and more oil.....

Maybe because it was prior to the Islamic revolution which turned Iran into a radical Islamic state...

And how does having islamic regime reduce your energy need?

Nothing to do with energy but the fact that the U.S helped Iran build a reactor beacause it was an ally.

Today Iran is an enemy which is building a reactor under very suspicious circumstances...

That wasn't what original post was about. 2sheds asked why does oil rich nation need nuclear reactor. I asked why it was OK when they had 1/3 smaller population and more oil but not now.

Cuz now iran is an enemy of Israel and Usa and then not. :D

[aktarian]

I wonder what Iran, a nation awash in oil, can gain from a "peaceful" nuclear program. They don't need the energy.

Interesting how this wasn't an issue when US helped Iran build Bushehr reactor in 1970s. When Iran had 1/3 smaller population and more oil.....

Maybe because it was prior to the Islamic revolution which turned Iran into a radical Islamic state...

And how does having islamic regime reduce your energy need?

Nothing to do with energy but the fact that the U.S helped Iran build a reactor beacause it was an ally.

Today Iran is an enemy which is building a reactor under very suspicious circumstances...

That wasn't what original post was about. 2sheds asked why does oil rich nation need nuclear reactor. I asked why it was OK when they had 1/3 smaller population and more oil but not now.

Cuz now iran is an enemy of Israel and Usa and then not. :D

Let me get this straight. In 1970s when Iran was US ally it needed additional energy source. After it stopped being US ally and drastically increased population it doesn't need it anymore? Is this what you guys are saying?

[UoUo]

I wonder what Iran, a nation awash in oil, can gain from a "peaceful" nuclear program. They don't need the energy.

Interesting how this wasn't an issue when US helped Iran build Bushehr reactor in 1970s. When Iran had 1/3 smaller population and more oil.....

Maybe because it was prior to the Islamic revolution which turned Iran into a radical Islamic state...

And how does having islamic regime reduce your energy need?

Nothing to do with energy but the fact that the U.S helped Iran build a reactor beacause it was an ally.

Today Iran is an enemy which is building a reactor under very suspicious circumstances...

That wasn't what original post was about. 2sheds asked why does oil rich nation need nuclear reactor. I asked why it was OK when they had 1/3 smaller population and more oil but not now.

Cuz now iran is an enemy of Israel and Usa and then not. :D

Let me get this straight. In 1970s when Iran was US ally it needed additional energy source. After it stopped being US ally and drastically increased population it doesn't need it anymore? Is this what you guys are saying?

No.

[citizen-k]

I wonder what Iran, a nation awash in oil, can gain from a "peaceful" nuclear program. They don't need the energy.

Interesting how this wasn't an issue when US helped Iran build Bushehr reactor in 1970s. When Iran had 1/3 smaller population and more oil.....

Maybe because it was prior to the Islamic revolution which turned Iran into a radical Islamic state...

And how does having islamic regime reduce your energy need?

Nothing to do with energy but the fact that the U.S helped Iran build a reactor beacause it was an ally.

Today Iran is an enemy which is building a reactor under very suspicious circumstances...

That wasn't what original post was about. 2sheds asked why does oil rich nation need nuclear reactor. I asked why it was OK when they had 1/3 smaller population and more oil but not now.

Cuz now iran is an enemy of Israel and Usa and then not. :D

Let me get this straight. In 1970s when Iran was US ally it needed additional energy source. After it stopped being US ally and drastically increased population it doesn't need it anymore? Is this what you guys are saying?

What we are saying is that now after Iran is an enemy - we don't want it to have nukes. (since extream islamic regime who wishes to "burn Tel-Aviv" or "Burn New-York" is not a nice regime, to us)

[aktarian]

What we are saying is that now after Iran is an enemy - we don't want it to have nukes. (since extream islamic regime who wishes to "burn Tel-Aviv" or "Burn New-York" is not a nice regime, to us)

Who said anything about nukes? 2sheds said what does Iran need nuclear reactor for. I asked what they needed it before when they had smaller popualtion and more oil.

So far nobody answered that.

[EvanL]

Israel has the right to have whatever weapons it wants. Its not an enemy of the world like Iran is.
But i personally dont believe that Israel needs Nuclear Weapons.
They are surrounded by their enemies, yet if they used nukes on them it would also have a great effect on Israel as well. not politically put environmentally. Which would **** them up pretty bad being as small as a country that they are.

[UoUo]

Israel has the right to have whatever weapons it wants. Its not an enemy of the world like Iran is.
But i personally dont believe that Israel needs Nuclear Weapons.
They are surrounded by their enemies, yet if they used nukes on them it would also have a great effect on Israel as well. not politically put environmentally. Which would f*** them up pretty bad being as small as a country that they are.

Yeah? and what if 1 day the all arab world will make a decision

To **** us? then we will be ****...but the all arab world will be **** with Us. if they will wish to destory us all...we will take them with us.

[EvanL]

Israel has the right to have whatever weapons it wants. Its not an enemy of the world like Iran is.
But i personally dont believe that Israel needs Nuclear Weapons.
They are surrounded by their enemies, yet if they used nukes on them it would also have a great effect on Israel as well. not politically put environmentally. Which would f*** them up pretty bad being as small as a country that they are.

Yeah? and what if 1 day the all arab world will make a decision

To f*** us? then we will be f***...but the all arab world will be f*** with Us. if they will wish to destory us all...we will take them with us.
So you think it would be right to put your whoel country at risk? you guys have a big enough and an effective enough military to hold off any attack by your enemies conventionally.

[S'13]

.
But i personally dont believe that Israel needs Nuclear Weapons.
They are surrounded by their enemies, yet if they used nukes on them it would also have a great effect on Israel as well. not politically put environmentally. Which would f*** them up pretty bad being as small as a country that they are.

It's the nuclear deterrence that we want...

Also I don't belive that if we droped a nuke on lets say... Halab (Syria), it would do something to us.

Have you heard of the Samson Option?

[UoUo]

Israel has the right to have whatever weapons it wants. Its not an enemy of the world like Iran is.
But i personally dont believe that Israel needs Nuclear Weapons.
They are surrounded by their enemies, yet if they used nukes on them it would also have a great effect on Israel as well. not politically put environmentally. Which would f*** them up pretty bad being as small as a country that they are.

Yeah? and what if 1 day the all arab world will make a decision

To f*** us? then we will be f***...but the all arab world will be f*** with Us. if they will wish to destory us all...we will take them with us.
So you think it would be right to put your whoel country at risk? you guys have a big enough and an effective enough military to hold off any attack by your enemies conventionally.

At risk of what? i don't get what you mean.

And we do have a large and strong army....but when iran will have nukes...what our army can do against nukes?

[EvanL]

.
But i personally dont believe that Israel needs Nuclear Weapons.
They are surrounded by their enemies, yet if they used nukes on them it would also have a great effect on Israel as well. not politically put environmentally. Which would f*** them up pretty bad being as small as a country that they are.

It's the nuclear deterrence that we want...

Also I don't belive that if we droped a nuke on Halab (Syria), it would do something to us.

Have you heard of the Samson Option?
The nuclear fallout from a nuclear bomb would create a cloud over most of the mediteranean area of the ME, where Israel is situated.
And you can never predict which way the wind would take it.
I have never heard of the Samson Option. But i would like to. What is it?

[EvanL]

Israel has the right to have whatever weapons it wants. Its not an enemy of the world like Iran is.
But i personally dont believe that Israel needs Nuclear Weapons.
They are surrounded by their enemies, yet if they used nukes on them it would also have a great effect on Israel as well. not politically put environmentally. Which would f*** them up pretty bad being as small as a country that they are.

Yeah? and what if 1 day the all arab world will make a decision

To f*** us? then we will be f***...but the all arab world will be f*** with Us. if they will wish to destory us all...we will take them with us.
So you think it would be right to put your whoel country at risk? you guys have a big enough and an effective enough military to hold off any attack by your enemies conventionally.

At risk of what? i don't get what you mean.

And we do have a large and strong army....but when iran will have nukes...what our army can do against nukes?
I said military. Not just army. You have the best airforce dont you? Atleast thats what you guys are claiming. I would believe it.
DOnt you also have the best air defence systems in the world? Which will only get better in time?

[UoUo]

Israel has the right to have whatever weapons it wants. Its not an enemy of the world like Iran is.
But i personally dont believe that Israel needs Nuclear Weapons.
They are surrounded by their enemies, yet if they used nukes on them it would also have a great effect on Israel as well. not politically put environmentally. Which would f*** them up pretty bad being as small as a country that they are.

Yeah? and what if 1 day the all arab world will make a decision

To f*** us? then we will be f***...but the all arab world will be f*** with Us. if they will wish to destory us all...we will take them with us.
So you think it would be right to put your whoel country at risk? you guys have a big enough and an effective enough military to hold off any attack by your enemies conventionally.

At risk of what? i don't get what you mean.

And we do have a large and strong army....but when iran will have nukes...what our army can do against nukes?
I said military. Not just army. You have the best airforce dont you? Atleast thats what you guys are claiming. I would believe it.
DOnt you also have the best air defence systems in the world? Which will only get better in time?

Soory army in israel mean aior force as well. :)

And yes we have agood air force...but what the airforce can do against Nukes? and even the best air deffence in the world can't stop 100 balstic missile that 1 of them carry nuke.




.
But i personally dont believe that Israel needs Nuclear Weapons.
They are surrounded by their enemies, yet if they used nukes on them it would also have a great effect on Israel as well. not politically put environmentally. Which would f*** them up pretty bad being as small as a country that they are.

It's the nuclear deterrence that we want...

Also I don't belive that if we droped a nuke on Halab (Syria), it would do something to us.

Have you heard of the Samson Option?
The nuclear fallout from a nuclear bomb would create a cloud over most of the mediteranean area of the ME, where Israel is situated.
And you can never predict which way the wind would take it.
I have never heard of the Samson Option. But i would like to. What is it?

belive me...if we will drop nuke..it will be as last option.

[EvanL]

Israel has the right to have whatever weapons it wants. Its not an enemy of the world like Iran is.
But i personally dont believe that Israel needs Nuclear Weapons.
They are surrounded by their enemies, yet if they used nukes on them it would also have a great effect on Israel as well. not politically put environmentally. Which would f*** them up pretty bad being as small as a country that they are.

Yeah? and what if 1 day the all arab world will make a decision

To f*** us? then we will be f***...but the all arab world will be f*** with Us. if they will wish to destory us all...we will take them with us.
So you think it would be right to put your whoel country at risk? you guys have a big enough and an effective enough military to hold off any attack by your enemies conventionally.

At risk of what? i don't get what you mean.

And we do have a large and strong army....but when iran will have nukes...what our army can do against nukes?
I said military. Not just army. You have the best airforce dont you? Atleast thats what you guys are claiming. I would believe it.
DOnt you also have the best air defence systems in the world? Which will only get better in time?

Soory army in israel mean aior force as well. :)

And yes we have agood air force...but what the airforce can do against Nukes? and even the best air deffence in the world can't stop 100 balstic missile that 1 of them carry nuke.




.
But i personally dont believe that Israel needs Nuclear Weapons.
They are surrounded by their enemies, yet if they used nukes on them it would also have a great effect on Israel as well. not politically put environmentally. Which would f*** them up pretty bad being as small as a country that they are.

It's the nuclear deterrence that we want...

Also I don't belive that if we droped a nuke on Halab (Syria), it would do something to us.

Have you heard of the Samson Option?
The nuclear fallout from a nuclear bomb would create a cloud over most of the mediteranean area of the ME, where Israel is situated.
And you can never predict which way the wind would take it.
I have never heard of the Samson Option. But i would like to. What is it?

belive me...if we will drop nuke..it will be as last option.
I pray it doesnt get to that.
I wish Israel could use a first strike policy and not get yelled at by the world and the UN, but they cant. In some ways thats understandable. But i think it would prevent larger conflicts from evolving in that region.

[UoUo]

I wish we were a world super power.

[S'13]

I have never heard of the Samson Option. But i would like to. What is it?

If Israel was ever to be under the threat of annihilation, it would use its nuclear capabilities and strike its enemies with full force, annihilating them.
The idea is that our enemies woun't even dare to try and destroy us like they tried in 1948.

As for the name:



Now the rulers of the Philistines assembled to offer a great sacrifice to Dagon, their god and to celebrate, saying, "Our god has delivered Samson, our enemy, into our hands."

When the people saw him, they praised their god, saying, "Our god has delivered our enemy into our hands, the one who laid waste our land and multiplied our slain."
While they were in high spirits, they shouted, "Bring out Samson to entertain us." So they called Samson out of the prison to perform for them. The hair on Samson’s head – the key to his strength, had begun to grow again after it had been shaved. They stood him among the pillars of the great temple of Dagon. Then Samson said to the servant who held his hand, "Put me where I can feel the pillars that support the temple, so that I may lean against them."

Now the temple was crowded with men and women; all the rulers of the Philistines were there and on the roof were about three thousand men and women watching Samson perform. Then Samson prayed to the LORD and said, "O LORD my God, remember me. I pray to you O God, please strengthen me just once more, and let me with one blow take revenge on the Philistines for my two eyes."

Then Samson reached toward the two central pillars on which the temple stood. Bracing himself against them, his right hand on the one and his left hand on the other,
And Samson said, "Let my soul die with the Philistines!" Then he bowed himself with all his might and the house fell upon the lords and upon all the people that were therein. So the dead whom he slew at his death were more than they that he slew in his life.


Judges 16. Y.E.


You get the point...

[EvanL]

I have never heard of the Samson Option. But i would like to. What is it?

If Israel was ever to be under the threat of annihilation, it would use its nuclear capabilities and strike its enemies with full force, annihilating them.
The idea is that our enemies woun't even dare to try and destroy us like they tried in 1948.

As for the name:



Now the rulers of the Philistines assembled to offer a great sacrifice to Dagon, their god and to celebrate, saying, "Our god has delivered Samson, our enemy, into our hands."

When the people saw him, they praised their god, saying, "Our god has delivered our enemy into our hands, the one who laid waste our land and multiplied our slain."
While they were in high spirits, they shouted, "Bring out Samson to entertain us." So they called Samson out of the prison to perform for them. The hair on Samson’s head – the key to his strength, had begun to grow again after it had been shaved. They stood him among the pillars of the great temple of Dagon. Then Samson said to the servant who held his hand, "Put me where I can feel the pillars that support the temple, so that I may lean against them."

Now the temple was crowded with men and women; all the rulers of the Philistines were there and on the roof were about three thousand men and women watching Samson perform. Then Samson prayed to the LORD and said, "O LORD my God, remember me. I pray to you O God, please strengthen me just once more, and let me with one blow take revenge on the Philistines for my two eyes."

Then Samson reached toward the two central pillars on which the temple stood. Bracing himself against them, his right hand on the one and his left hand on the other,
And Samson said, "Let my soul die with the Philistines!" Then he bowed himself with all his might and the house fell upon the lords and upon all the people that were therein. So the dead whom he slew at his death were more than they that he slew in his life.


Judges 16. Y.E.


You get the point...
The underlined part is the reasons why rastafarians grow their hair. They believe they are the true black jews.

[S'13]

I have never heard of the Samson Option. But i would like to. What is it?

If Israel was ever to be under the threat of annihilation, it would use its nuclear capabilities and strike its enemies with full force, annihilating them.
The idea is that our enemies woun't even dare to try and destroy us like they tried in 1948.

As for the name:



Now the rulers of the Philistines assembled to offer a great sacrifice to Dagon, their god and to celebrate, saying, "Our god has delivered Samson, our enemy, into our hands."

When the people saw him, they praised their god, saying, "Our god has delivered our enemy into our hands, the one who laid waste our land and multiplied our slain."
While they were in high spirits, they shouted, "Bring out Samson to entertain us." So they called Samson out of the prison to perform for them. The hair on Samson’s head – the key to his strength, had begun to grow again after it had been shaved. They stood him among the pillars of the great temple of Dagon. Then Samson said to the servant who held his hand, "Put me where I can feel the pillars that support the temple, so that I may lean against them."

Now the temple was crowded with men and women; all the rulers of the Philistines were there and on the roof were about three thousand men and women watching Samson perform. Then Samson prayed to the LORD and said, "O LORD my God, remember me. I pray to you O God, please strengthen me just once more, and let me with one blow take revenge on the Philistines for my two eyes."

Then Samson reached toward the two central pillars on which the temple stood. Bracing himself against them, his right hand on the one and his left hand on the other,
And Samson said, "Let my soul die with the Philistines!" Then he bowed himself with all his might and the house fell upon the lords and upon all the people that were therein. So the dead whom he slew at his death were more than they that he slew in his life.


Judges 16. Y.E.


You get the point...
The underlined part is the reasons why rastafarians grow their hair. They believe they are the true black jews.

I didn't know that... :lol: p-)

[EvanL]

I have never heard of the Samson Option. But i would like to. What is it?

If Israel was ever to be under the threat of annihilation, it would use its nuclear capabilities and strike its enemies with full force, annihilating them.
The idea is that our enemies woun't even dare to try and destroy us like they tried in 1948.

As for the name:



Now the rulers of the Philistines assembled to offer a great sacrifice to Dagon, their god and to celebrate, saying, "Our god has delivered Samson, our enemy, into our hands."

When the people saw him, they praised their god, saying, "Our god has delivered our enemy into our hands, the one who laid waste our land and multiplied our slain."
While they were in high spirits, they shouted, "Bring out Samson to entertain us." So they called Samson out of the prison to perform for them. The hair on Samson’s head – the key to his strength, had begun to grow again after it had been shaved. They stood him among the pillars of the great temple of Dagon. Then Samson said to the servant who held his hand, "Put me where I can feel the pillars that support the temple, so that I may lean against them."

Now the temple was crowded with men and women; all the rulers of the Philistines were there and on the roof were about three thousand men and women watching Samson perform. Then Samson prayed to the LORD and said, "O LORD my God, remember me. I pray to you O God, please strengthen me just once more, and let me with one blow take revenge on the Philistines for my two eyes."

Then Samson reached toward the two central pillars on which the temple stood. Bracing himself against them, his right hand on the one and his left hand on the other,
And Samson said, "Let my soul die with the Philistines!" Then he bowed himself with all his might and the house fell upon the lords and upon all the people that were therein. So the dead whom he slew at his death were more than they that he slew in his life.


Judges 16. Y.E.


You get the point...
The underlined part is the reasons why rastafarians grow their hair. They believe they are the true black jews.

I didn't know that... :lol: p-)
I always thought that dogs laid eggs...... and i learned something new today. haha
Family Guy reference. COuldnt resist.

[Sayeret]

Why does Israel need to allow inspectors into its country? It isn't going around threatening people with its nuclear weapons so this is just stupid. Inspectors aern't running around the US or Russia even though they have nuclear weapons.

[oldsoak]

I wish we were a world super power.

Theres a saying that goes " Be careful what you pray for in case you get it " :)

Why wish to be a superpower ? We were once, and what good did it do us ? It corrupted us .

[UoUo]

I wish we were a world super power.

Theres a saying that goes " Be careful what you pray for in case you get it " :)

Why wish to be a superpower ? We were once, and what good did it do us ? It corrupted us .

A democratic super power...freedom and stuff...you know. :D that what i Mean...

[oldsoak]

I wish we were a world super power.

Theres a saying that goes " Be careful what you pray for in case you get it " :)

Why wish to be a superpower ? We were once, and what good did it do us ? It corrupted us .

A democratic super power...freedom and stuff...you know. :D that what i Mean...

no worries :) - Israel had achieved a lot - democratic instituitions, a free press, real opposition parties, public accountability of politicians - how many of the neighbours can say this ? Rest assured, being a superpower is like winning the lottery , not all attention is welcome ! :lol:

[ExtraT]

A question on the topic:

Can anybody give me an example of a nation, posessing nuclear arms, allowing any kind of inspections of it's nuclear facilities?

[-=P=-]

Nobody should have nukes and Iran also wants none, but someone said Iran is an enemy of the world and has no right but Israel has, if it is so you can try to stop Iran, maybe you succeed... :lol: the UN cant say anything anyway, that’s also so for Iran.

[aktarian]

A question on the topic:

Can anybody give me an example of a nation, posessing nuclear arms, allowing any kind of inspections of it's nuclear facilities?

No, because 5 "recognised" nuclear powers are recognised and don't need inspections because they admit they have them. Other 3 are not signatories to NPT and therefore don't allow inspections.

One thing I wonder. If it's proven Israel has nukes will US impose arms embargo like they did on India and Pakistan when it was proved they had nukes?

[UoUo]

and therefore don't allow inspections.

One thing I wonder. If it's proven Israel has nukes will US impose arms embargo like they did on India and Pakistan when it was proved they had nukes?


No. :hug:

[hey]

aktarian wrote:

One thing I wonder. If it's proven Israel has nukes will US impose arms embargo like they did on India and Pakistan when it was proved they had nukes?

One thing I wonder, when it was proven France has nukes did US impose arms embargo like they did on India and Pakistan when it was proved they had nukes?

[aktarian]

aktarian wrote:

One thing I wonder. If it's proven Israel has nukes will US impose arms embargo like they did on India and Pakistan when it was proved they had nukes?

One thing I wonder, when it was proven France has nukes did US impose arms embargo like they did on India and Pakistan when it was proved they had nukes?

No because France was one of 5 countries that were confirmed as nuclear powers with NPT.

[UoUo]

Soory but we have a fact here (you guys saynig that israel have nukes) this is a fact..and the US will do something to prevent us then have them.

In the other hand..we have iran..that gona have nukes..and if the world No gonna prevent them..then US gonna..and if the US not gonna prevent Them to have nukes...then we are gonna do the job.

[aktarian]

In the other hand..we have iran..that gona have nukes..and if the world No gonna prevent them..then US gonna..and if the US not gonna prevent Them to have nukes...then we are gonna do the job.

Isn't confidence such a nice thing? :petting:

[sethen]

Yes, the zionists have had nuclear waepons for a LONG time. And they will disarm and allow inspections....WHEN PIGS FLY!!!!!!!!! :fork: Doesn't anyone understand Americas entire existence is to ensure Israels stability and security, while simultaneously denying EVERY muslim nation the same? The Texans would never allow such a thing !!! :-*$

TEXANS THE LOWEST FORM OF HUMAN LIFE!!!

[Javehn]

Yes, the zionists have had nuclear waepons for a LONG time. And they will disarm and allow inspections....WHEN PIGS FLY!!!!!!!!! :fork: Doesn't anyone understand Americas entire existence is to ensure Israels stability and security, while simultaneously denying EVERY muslim nation the same? The Texans would never allow such a thing !!! :-*$

TEXANS THE LOWEST FORM OF HUMAN LIFE!!!


Uhhm , what ?

[ronin2172]

Yes, the zionists have had nuclear waepons for a LONG time. And they will disarm and allow inspections....WHEN PIGS FLY!!!!!!!!! :fork: Doesn't anyone understand Americas entire existence is to ensure Israels stability and security, while simultaneously denying EVERY muslim nation the same? The Texans would never allow such a thing !!! :-*$

TEXANS THE LOWEST FORM OF HUMAN LIFE!!!

Someone forgot their medicine this morning......

[S'13]

Yes, the zionists have had nuclear waepons for a LONG time. And they will disarm and allow inspections....WHEN PIGS FLY!!!!!!!!! :fork: Doesn't anyone understand Americas entire existence is to ensure Israels stability and security, while simultaneously denying EVERY muslim nation the same? The Texans would never allow such a thing !!! :-*$

TEXANS THE LOWEST FORM OF HUMAN LIFE!!!

Pigs will fly the day you make sense... :| :petting:

[IDFM203]

Blah blah.............Since when did a southern dumb hick like yourself give a damn about the Muslims? :roll: ahh yeah that’s it, get at the Jews so cry about “dem Muslims”, huh? :roll: Your crocodile tears don’t fool me!!

Anyways let me guess you want the U.S. to give up its nukes as well, right?


To others, IMO Israel has more of a right and justification to have nukes then any other western nation I can think of, I mean I cant think of any other western nation that is surrounded by nations and populations that still have A LOT that want to destroy it Like what Israel still faces.

Shalom :D

[Javehn]

He is not southern fool dude . :roll: He is German NeoNazi , at list that's what i understood . :|

[IDFM203]

He is not southern fool dude . :roll: He is German NeoNazi , at list that's what i understood . :|oh I thought he lived in the south of the U.S. ....or perhaps he was just talking about crap about Jewish control of the south (which is SOOOOOOOOOOO absurd) in a thread a while back.

Either way, he’s a dumb hick ;)


Shalom :D

[AirZone]

Yes, the zionists have had nuclear waepons for a LONG time. And they will disarm and allow inspections....WHEN PIGS FLY!!!!!!!!! :fork: Doesn't anyone understand Americas entire existence is to ensure Israels stability and security, while simultaneously denying EVERY muslim nation the same? The Texans would never allow such a thing !!! :-*$

TEXANS THE LOWEST FORM OF HUMAN LIFE!!!

Didnt you heard comerade? the zionist are going to take over the world with those facist americans...dont worry my aryian brother we will vanquish them with our l337 d00d sup3r p0w4 g4s ! :roll:

ZEIG HAIL
dumb ass...

[citizen-k]

Yes, the zionists have had nuclear waepons for a LONG time. And they will disarm and allow inspections....WHEN PIGS FLY!!!!!!!!! :fork: Doesn't anyone understand Americas entire existence is to ensure Israels stability and security, while simultaneously denying EVERY muslim nation the same? The Texans would never allow such a thing !!! :-*$

TEXANS THE LOWEST FORM OF HUMAN LIFE!!!


Pigs will fly when they will turn kosher.

[UkrainianAmerican]

Yes, the zionists have had nuclear waepons for a LONG time. And they will disarm and allow inspections....WHEN PIGS FLY!!!!!!!!! :fork: Doesn't anyone understand Americas entire existence is to ensure Israels stability and security, while simultaneously denying EVERY muslim nation the same? The Texans would never allow such a thing !!! :-*$

TEXANS THE LOWEST FORM OF HUMAN LIFE!!!


Pigs will fly when they will turn kosher.
Hmm, which will come first?

[citizen-k]

Yes, the zionists have had nuclear waepons for a LONG time. And they will disarm and allow inspections....WHEN PIGS FLY!!!!!!!!! :fork: Doesn't anyone understand Americas entire existence is to ensure Israels stability and security, while simultaneously denying EVERY muslim nation the same? The Texans would never allow such a thing !!! :-*$

TEXANS THE LOWEST FORM OF HUMAN LIFE!!!


Pigs will fly when they will turn kosher.
Hmm, which will come first?

Kosher comes first...

Although pigs are flying:

http://www.pinkfloydonline.com/timeline_animals.gif


But I guess he never heared about it...

[AirZone]

Yes, the zionists have had nuclear waepons for a LONG time. And they will disarm and allow inspections....WHEN PIGS FLY!!!!!!!!! :fork: Doesn't anyone understand Americas entire existence is to ensure Israels stability and security, while simultaneously denying EVERY muslim nation the same? The Texans would never allow such a thing !!! :-*$

TEXANS THE LOWEST FORM OF HUMAN LIFE!!!


Pigs will fly when they will turn kosher.
Hmm, which will come first?

Russian you are a taxen arnt you ? ;)

[One?]

iran has offensive nukes, and israel has defensive nukes.... haha funny.

Didn't israel build its nukes before Iran?

[Red]

Yes, the zionists have had nuclear waepons for a LONG time. And they will disarm and allow inspections....WHEN PIGS FLY!!!!!!!!! :fork: Doesn't anyone understand Americas entire existence is to ensure Israels stability and security, while simultaneously denying EVERY muslim nation the same? The Texans would never allow such a thing !!! :-*$

TEXANS THE LOWEST FORM OF HUMAN LIFE!!!
What kind of people are coming to this website?I think that your comments are way out of line,you have no right to say something so stupid and disgusting.But hey if you are stupid,you will do stupid things.I feel for you :petting:

[oldsoak]

The Israeli position is one in which they feel they have the sea on one side and nations that ase hostile to them every where else. The Iranians are not quite in that position - their quest for nuclear capability may have had its origins in the willingness of Sadaam to deploy chemical agents against Iran, not in the Israeli capability. They may have simply wanted to go one better, and when that threat disappeared they persisted with the programme.
rgds

[UoUo]

iran has offensive nukes, and israel has defensive nukes.... haha funny.

Didn't israel build its nukes before Iran?

It's not relavant. fact 1: israel allowed by US to have nukes and will hold nukes.

Fact 2: iran isn't allowed by US to hold nukes..and guess what?

And in those times..i am glad that US is in our side! woot

[citizen-k]

iran has offensive nukes, and israel has defensive nukes.... haha funny.

Didn't israel build its nukes before Iran?

When was the last time you heared Israel talking about destroying Iran?
(or any other Arab country for that matter)

How many time Israel had the chance to destroy an Arab country and it didn't?

Would any of the Arab countries will not destroy Israel in case it will be able to?

Try not to lie to yourself, its called denial - and it means your a mental case.

[IDFM203]

.

Didn't israel build its nukes before Iran?and?? We have (allegedly p-) ) have had them for over thirty years and haven used it once, that clearly proves its NOT for offensive purposes!!



It's not relavant. fact 1: israel allowed by US to have nukes and will hold nukes.

Fact 2: iran isn't allowed by US to hold nukes..and guess what?

And in those times..i am glad that US is in our side! wootas much as it pains me to do this, gees what kind of answer was that??? :roll: Its got nothing to do with what the U.S. allows, I mean that’s besides the point (and frankly its not up to them to allow or not), we are arguing over justification for them and I can make a case why Israel is justified and its got nothing to do with the U.S.!!

I repeat "To others, IMO Israel has more of a right and justification to have nukes then any other western nation I can think of, I mean I cant think of any other western nation that is surrounded by nations and populations that still have A LOT that want to destroy it Like what Israel still faces”

Shalom :D

[UoUo]

.

Didn't israel build its nukes before Iran?and?? We have (allegedly p-) ) have had them for over thirty years and haven used it once, that clearly proves its NOT for offensive purposes!!



It's not relavant. fact 1: israel allowed by US to have nukes and will hold nukes.

Fact 2: iran isn't allowed by US to hold nukes..and guess what?

And in those times..i am glad that US is in our side! wootas much as it pains me to do this, gees what kind of answer was that??? :roll: Its got nothing to do with what the U.S. allows, I mean that’s besides the point (and frankly its not up to them to allow or not), we are arguing over justification for them and I can make a case why Israel is justified and its got nothing to do with the U.S.!!



Shalom :D

Yeah i know what you mean...but it is a mather of US "allows" us or not.
You know..אני לא רוצה להגיד את זה באנגלית..אבל בחיית..תהיה אוביקטיבי..ארה"ב ללא ספק נוהגת פה במוסר כפול..הרי כולם יודעים שיש לנו נשק להשמדה המונית...ואנחנו מסתירים אותו מהעולם...אבל מה לעשות? ארה"ב בעדנו...(עד כמה שזה נשמע ילדותי) היא בצד שלנו..והיא מעלימה עין ונותנת לנו להמשיך להחזיק בנשק הזה..תחשוב שאם ארה"ב לא תרצה שנחזיק בנשק הזה תאמין לי שהיא יכולה לעשות הרבה..הרבה מאוד..סנקציות ועד לא יודע מה..

ובקשר לויכוח...דיברנו על זה כבר מאות פעמים..פשוט תציבו לו את זה כעובדה..לישיראל יש נשק אטומי..
איראן חותרת להשגה של נשק כזה...וישראל מתוך אינטרסים שלה! ומתוך אינטרס ביטחוני שלה (וזה לא אמור לעניין אותנו הסיבות של האיראנים לפצצה) תפעל לכך שהאיראנים לא יגיעו לפצצה. זה הכל.

[oldsoak]

awwww - listen, I just about tell my aleph from my bet - let us in on the story, please ! :)

[UoUo]

awwww - listen, I just about tell my aleph from my bet - let us in on the story, please ! :)

I will let IDFM203 to choice the responed me in english or hebrew.

[IDFM203]

awwww - listen, I just about tell my aleph from my bet - let us in on the story, please ! :)he wrote oldsoak is a...........and a................. and then a few other things p-) :D

Anyways just kidding and it was just addressed to me and I answered back in a PM so there is no need for any of this off topic stuff to go on in here.

Shalom :D

[One?]

iran has offensive nukes, and israel has defensive nukes.... haha funny.

Didn't israel build its nukes before Iran?

When was the last time you heared Israel talking about destroying Iran?
(or any other Arab country for that matter)

How many time Israel had the chance to destroy an Arab country and it didn't?

Would any of the Arab countries will not destroy Israel in case it will be able to?

Try not to lie to yourself, its called denial - and it means your a mental case.

If israel was allowed to destroy other arab countries I don't think it would of stopped. Israel keeps threatening to bomb iran's nuclear facilities, and israel bombed Iraqi's nuclear plant (as an offensive move). Arab leaders dont give a flying f&@^ about israel anymore. All they care about is filling their pockets with money and staying in power.


And when did Iran use its nukes on other countries?

[citizen-k]

iran has offensive nukes, and israel has defensive nukes.... haha funny.

Didn't israel build its nukes before Iran?

When was the last time you heared Israel talking about destroying Iran?
(or any other Arab country for that matter)

How many time Israel had the chance to destroy an Arab country and it didn't?

Would any of the Arab countries will not destroy Israel in case it will be able to?

Try not to lie to yourself, its called denial - and it means your a mental case.

If israel was allowed to destroy other arab countries I don't think it would of stopped. Israel keeps threatening to bomb iran's nuclear facilities, and israel bombed Iraqi's nuclear plant (as an offensive move). Arab leaders dont give a flying f&@^ about israel anymore. All they care about is filling their pockets with money and staying in power.


And when did Iran use its nukes on other countries?

"threatening to bomb iran's nuclear facilities" - not Iran!

"israel bombed Iraqi's nuclear plant " - not Iraq!

There is a huge difference and you know it!

What would have happen in 1990 if Iraq had a nuclear bomb?

[S'13]

If israel was allowed to destroy other arab countries I don't think it would of stopped.

Ah, you don't think well that is what we call an opinion and an opinion isn't much of an argument against a solid fact, and the fact is that Israel never used its nuclear arsenal even when it was in a tight spot and with its back to the wall.



Israel keeps threatening to bomb iran's nuclear facilities, and israel bombed Iraqi's nuclear plant (as an offensive move).

I don't remember Israel making a formal declaration in which it stated that it would destroy Iran's nuclear facilties (even though it has a right to do so).

As for the attack on Osirak nuclear reactor, well that was a preventative attack which again Israel had every right to do and proved itself 10 years later.



Arab leaders dont give a flying f&@^ about israel anymore. All they care about is filling their pockets with money and staying in power.

Then the leaders of Iran made a bad move...


And when did Iran use its nukes on other countries?

It did use chemical weapons in its past, anyway it is accepted that Iran doesn't have the bomb... yet.

[AirZone]

Guys leave it... he's an arb.

He wants the best for the arb world.
A and we want the best for the SANE world (or for all the anti jews/zionist/israeli dont worry i didnt forgot you...its for the best of the greedy jewish pigs :roll:)