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ElHombre
06-09-2007, 01:07 AM
It seems even the mainstream media is finally getting the message that Bush has no f***ing idea (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19099768/site/newsweek) of what to do about Iraq besides dump it on the next admin.


Just how long is the issue of the day in Iraq-obsessed Washington. And frighteningly, no one seems more confused about the plan than Bush himself. In two separate appearances in the last week, he alternately invoked last fall’s Baker-Hamilton report—which envisioned a substantial pullout by early 2008—and America’s South Korea occupation, which has been a robust front-line presence for more than 50 years. Which is it?

Answer C: neither. The article then goes on to do something rather novel for the so-called liberal media: it actually analyzes what Bush is saying and tries to find out if he knows what he's talking about. As usual, the answer's no.


All of which brings us to Bush’s recent invocation of South Korea, where tens of thousands of U.S. troops have been stationed along or near the border since the truce that ended the Korean War—there is no peace treaty—54 years ago. But here the president apparently hasn’t thought things through either. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, in an interview last week, told me that there was no Status of Forces Agreement with the Shiite-led government, which is increasingly dominated by the virulently anti-American Sadr, that would legally permit a long-term U.S. presence. <> Nor is there any sign of a truce between Sunnis and Shia. So Iraq really is nothing like South Korea.

And training the Iraqi Army has run into a problem. The troops needed to train the Iraqis are too busy fighting.


The big trade-off of the surge that few people are taking note of—what it really has cost us—is that it is taking precious time away from the program to bring the Iraqi Army to readiness. The surge is therefore ensuring that U.S. troops will have to remain longer on the front lines of an intractable sectarian war.

As many have noted, the first step in effectively dealing with the Iraq mess is getting rid of the folks who got us here in the first place. That means Bush, Cheney, and all their goons have to leave. The sooner, the better.

Namus
06-09-2007, 02:50 AM
The idea to fix things by sending 20000 more troops was obviously idiotic from the very beginning.

120000 troops could change things, temporarily, but 20000?

k98_man
06-09-2007, 02:58 AM
The idea to fix things by sending 20000 more troops was obviously idiotic from the very beginning.

120000 troops could change things, temporarily, but 20000?

We should just hire more mercenaries. :roll:

p-)

Namus
06-09-2007, 03:48 AM
USA is not rich enough for that.

getl0st
06-09-2007, 04:40 AM
Maybe instead if worrying about whats happening in Iraq, Americans should be worrying about whats happening in America.

Looks to me like all of your civil rights are being systematically removed by Bush and his neo-con cronies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/SqUnWryxlt0
Keith Olberman on the removal of Habeus Corpus

Serjey
06-09-2007, 04:54 AM
cant undestand USA, they attacked another country and eliminated Iran`s army, goverment and president`s family.....
the reason was nuclear weapon, but its BS, they didn`t find any presentse of nuclear weapon. alot of civilians and usa sogers were killed, alot of terracts and civil war , partisan war still continues, and what for? for god dammit oil?

budgie
06-09-2007, 05:57 AM
Well, that's a slightly simplistic view of events but not entirely inaccurate. However there is light at the end of the tunnel. It won't matter whether the next President is Democrat or Republican; McCain, Giuliani, Romney, Hagel, Bloomberg, Obama, or even the much despised Clinton - all of the candidates will change course on Iraq at the very least and none of them IMO could possibly do as poor a job as Bush has.

SOG
06-11-2007, 02:49 AM
cant undestand USA, they attacked another country and eliminated Iran`s army, goverment and president`s family.....
the reason was nuclear weapon, but its BS, they didn`t find any presentse of nuclear weapon. alot of civilians and usa sogers were killed, alot of terracts and civil war , partisan war still continues, and what for? for god dammit oil?

wtf did you just say?

you cant understand the USA because we attacked iran, and eliminated its army, government, and presidents family over nuclear weapons? holy sh!t, you can see the future!

this thread is hilariously baiting in one hundred ways. countdown to lockdown, 3, 2, 1.... or when the east coast mods wake...