The true history of Cyprus.

[beydola]

I am a Cypriot guy, my family living in Cyprus for hundreds of years. I took a look to this site and I noticed that there are wrong informations about Cyprus. My uncle was killed by Greek terrorist group, called EOKA in 1967, I have never seen him, only pictures.

More then 3000 Turkish Cypriots killed by Greeks, and Greeks killed themselves. Please search internet as Makarios vs Nikos Sampson. Here some videos telling some truth about Cyprus.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAP7KuAfvWY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIwBDP7WWrY

[flanker7]

Well, the videos don't show!

[beydola]

Well, the videos don't show!

check them now. i fixed them.

[beydola]

check the videos, my friend.

[flanker7]

I checked them. Nice videos.

[beydola]

just nice? the truth is not nice everytime...

[beydola]

by the way, the flag that Greek Cypriots use today as "so-called Republic of Cyprus" was designed by a Turkish Cypriot, named Ismet Guney.

[flanker7]

I didn't see any trooth in them.....

[beydola]

you didn't see because your teachers in your schools do not teach you the truth either your bishops in your churches. Greek Cypriots caused destroy of the Republic of Cyprus, and peace in Cyprus. Us, Turkish Cypriots always got kicked out from world by our Greek neighbours. My origin is Paphos, you know that place right ? My family had to move from Paphos to Kyrenia. You know why ? Because of they got disturbed by the terrorist organization called EOKA. you told world lies and continue lieing, I don't know what your politicians do in hell.

[Military-G]

Intresting, Sad for both sides... but i cant see this lasting too long here :|

[flanker7]

You know tha EOKA seazed to excist in 1960, don't you?
In your little history lesson you don't say much about tourkish killings, either.
Nor do you mention anything about the consenquenses of your "peace operation"

Do you believe that Greeks had the right to ask for union with Greece?

[beydola]

None of the cultures in Cyprus has right to ask union with Turkey or Greece. The North Cyprus is not united with Turkey. We have our own flag, our own identity cards and our language is some different from Turkish.

The eoka was a terrorist organization and they killed so many innocent Turkish and even Greek people in Cyprus.

As I said before I know that our soldiers killed some innocent people but the Greek side started this war at the night of 21 December 1963. You may not know this, a Turkish Cypriot doctor's wife and children got killed by Greek Cypriot polices (as known as EOKA) in the bathroom, the house is now museum in the Turkish side of Nicosia,named "Barbarian Museum" you can visit this house as you can pass to our side.

[SBL]

Cyprus looks like a beautiful place. It's a shame it's had such a bloody history.

[Switek]

Ok, can't you talk about what's common for you, guys?

[beydola]

SnikeBiteLeader, Cyprus is the most beautiful island in the Mediterrenean I can prove that.

Switek, Turkish and Greek Cypriots lived together in peace for 500 years, before English come to island. I don't know its so hard to re-union now , both sides has no confidence to each other. The common is recognization of Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus by the world, because the war ended in 1974 and nobody got killed by other since this date. If world recognizes the Northern Cyprus, we can start trade to each other and has more tourists come to island. That's my opinion and I believe that the correct solution is this.

[Xaito]

I was in the greek part of Cyprus a few years ago - nice place - a little bit too hot and high prices for everything ;)
The people were nice though - didn't see any terrorists last time I checked so maybe somebody here should cut back the hostility a little bit. please? :)

[flanker7]

You also have our houses, our fields, our churches(ones left standing), our...our...our.

Fact. The bathroom photo. Not a turk doctor family. A turk army major family. Killed by himself in a status of amok. This is testified by the very person who took the photo. A Turkish citizen.

[beydola]

He was a doctor in the army and he was not amok to kill his family. I want ask you, if he killed his own family, why the Greek attacks began after this date? They were waiting him to kill his own family? Everything was planned, Greek attacks occured on Turkish beginning from 21 December ( The longest night in a year) 1963-1964-1967-1969 and lastly in 1974.

Continue lieing as you do for 40 years to keep your Turkish neighbours under pressure and force them to live in embargos, that shows how you want peace.

[beydola]

I was in the greek part of Cyprus a few years ago - nice place - a little bit too hot and high prices for everything ;)
The people were nice though - didn't see any terrorists last time I checked so maybe somebody here should cut back the hostility a little bit. please? :)

are you reading what I post? or have you watched the videos?

[flanker7]

Anyway, I'm out for now. Got to drink some blood, the bloodthirsty me.

Take comfort tonight as you sleep in my house, and take care turkish friend.

[beydola]

heh if you were not about to force me to leave my house and grow pigs in my house in the south part I wouldn't be living in your house. (check the village named Istinjo in Paphos, this is where my family come from, ve visited our old home and we schocked what we see. Pigs were living in home and the house was about to break down)

[flanker7]

You know that if a refugee isn't living in your house you can come and get it back whenever you want.
If a refugee is living in it, you still have foul ownership of it but you can claim it until the refugee is relocated.
you do know that, don't you?
We didn't take your homes. They are yours by law of The Republic of Cyprus. Ask around.

[beydola]

flanker7 that's why you don't let old republic of cyprus citizens, Turkish Cypriots to buy or sell their lands or homes in South Cyprus or that's why you let your farmers to live in these houses and let them grow pigs or animals in homes of Turkish Cypriots ? We forced to leave our homes and when we come to North Side we had no money no food nothing to build a new house. Do you understand now why Turkish living in old greek homes ? If Turkey wouldn't help us, there will be no Turkish population living in the island, why don't you tell these to your european friends ? And by the way, we look after the homes very good you can see that. We do not break down them to build churches , car-parking areas or grow pigs in them.

[Xaito]

are you reading what I post? or have you watched the videos?

yes I read what you post and no I haven't watched your vids - I've been in Cyprus myself and have seen how it looks today and thats all what I personally care about - It's not my country - I don't need to know its history (neither the version of the greek part nor the version of the turkish part).
I think its wrong to accuse each other and to live in the past.
I understand you're pissed but beeing hostile towards each other won't bring your house or anything else back - life goes on and youre not the only one who suffered and neither is the turkish side.

[beydola]

yes I read what you post and no I haven't watched your vids - I've been in Cyprus myself and have seen how it looks today and thats all what I personally care about - It's not my country - I don't need to know its history (neither the version of the greek part nor the version of the turkish part).
I think its wrong to accuse each other and to live in the past.
I understand you're pissed but beeing hostile towards each other won't bring your house or anything else back - life goes on and youre not the only one who suffered and neither is the turkish side.


your sentence "there were no terrorists" was very offensive to me, you know that I am talking about 30-40 years before. I want to tell everybody that not only Greeks got damaged from this situation as they emposed to world that only Greeks got. There is a Turkish Cypriot population in island that live in island for very long time and has rights same as Greek Cypriots in the island.

[martinexsquaddie]

when I was serving there with the british army it was all turks evil this turks evil that.
nobody wanted to answer when I asked where the turks who lived in the two villages we used for urban warfare training went:(
crap went down by both sides

[Xaito]

your sentence "there were no terrorists" was very offensive to me, you know that I am talking about 30-40 years before. I want to tell everybody that not only Greeks got damaged from this situation as they emposed to world that only Greeks got. There is a Turkish Cypriot population in island that live in island for very long time and has rights same as Greek Cypriots in the island.

well there were none at the time I was there - thats exactly my point - you shouldn't forget that there is a different situation today then it was 30-40 years ago.
You don't have to tell me that in a conflict like this both sides suffer - I know.
Ask the UN who has their soldiers watching over your border if they care who started the conflict and who did this and who did that - all that the UN (and I) care about is that both sides stop hating each others guts so they can leave and you can live in peace - fighting over the past wont help in that matter.

[beydola]

well there were none at the time I was there - thats exactly my point - you shouldn't forget that there is a different situation today then it was 30-40 years ago.
You don't have to tell me that in a conflict like this both sides suffer - I know.
Ask the UN who has their soldiers watching over your border if they care who started the conflict and who did this and who did that - all that the UN (and I) care about is that both sides stop hating each others guts so they can leave and you can live in peace - fighting over the past wont help in that matter.


the past is reference to the future. If we decide to live in together as we did before, is it guarantee that we dont fight each other ? I opened this topic to inform you about the reality of Cyprus is not as my Greek friends tell you and this is my point.

[Military-G]

SnikeBiteLeader, Cyprus is the most beautiful island in the Mediterrenean I can prove that.

Switek, Turkish and Greek Cypriots lived together in peace for 500 years, before English come to island. I don't know its so hard to re-union now , both sides has no confidence to each other. The common is recognization of Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus by the world, because the war ended in 1974 and nobody got killed by other since this date. If world recognizes the Northern Cyprus, we can start trade to each other and has more tourists come to island. That's my opinion and I believe that the correct solution is this.

Not to take it off topic but for most beautiful island in the med .. Sicilia/Sicily takes my vote hehe :)

[beydola]

Not to take it off topic but for most beautiful island in the med .. Sicilia/Sicily takes my vote hehe :)

I visited all islands in the mediterrenean that's why I said that. Did you know that med's most beautiful beach is in Cyprus ? Called Gold Beach that Caretta Caretta Turtles visit every year.

[tengiz]

I hope Turkish Cyproits will one day be able to explain the real situation to the world and people with sixth sense will listen them.

[beydola]

i hope so...

[eskrima]

i know a British couple who bought a house in Turkish side and thay have problems with the law saying it was property of Greek Cypriots living there and killed. Now the children of the killed parents won a petition in EU court making this more complex.

[Foinikas]

Yeah of course the Greeks are the "bad" guys every time a turk makes a post.

What about the people that Turks killed?What about the greek churches that were turned into stables and mosques?The invasion of an island by the Turkish forces and the so-called "peace operation" or how you call it?

Aaaaalways the bad greeks!Yup!But strangely enough if you look at facts it's actually the turks who have a tendecy to war and imperialism.But of course a turk will say here "Megalo idea,megalo idea".Megalo idea is of course the campaing in Asia Minor that took place in the 20's.Yeah the only time in history where we "invaded" Turkey and the turks have been holding on to this for the last 90 years.They prefer to skip the part of course where we send our army there to stay and protect the greek cities(which had greek citizens in their majority)and were given back to Greece after all these centuries,when Turkey's friends lost the World War.

[achilles]

It is common knowledge that many Turks deal with their past with great inertia and allergy to the factual truth.

I have no problem admitting the EOKA, the group responsible for the independece of the island from the British rule, is also responsible for unjustified actions against Turkish Cypriots. But EOKA was not the reason why Turkey proceeded with the brutal invasion and ethnic cleansing of the northern part of Cyprus. It was just the pretext based on which the then Turkish "neo-imperialism" was materialized. Unfortunately, that did not take place for the benefit of anyone, not even Turkish Cypriots. Look at N. Cyprus today (the most beautiful, yet a very poor and anachronistic military base) and look at the free part (South Cyprus). A full member of the European Union with a thriving economy.

So my Turkish friend, save those history lessons for yourself and your compatriots and try coping with your past with dignity and honesty for once.

What i am looking forward to is a unified and democratic Cyprus, in which both communities will live freely and peacefully next to each other.

[Foinikas]

I agree with Achilles.

The mistakes that happened in 1974 from the part of the Greek government back then(Ioannides' military junta)were tragic.Turkey always found the weakest moment of her enemies to attack.

Like Achilles said the results for both Greeks and Turks in Cyprus were disastrous.However the Cypriots have managed to make an amazingly strong economy with one of the most powerful currencies in the world,while Northern Cyprus remains an area in "blockade" which could remind someone of a huge graveyard full of living people(look at all the abandoned and destroyed houses and villages of the Greek Cypriots,the thousands of Turkish soldiers there guarding that place).

To be honest what I would love to see is Cyprus being part of Greece with or without a turkish minority inside(equally treated of course like the rest of the greek citizens)or at least an independant but Greek island in the sense that no Turkish claims will exist on it.

[valtrex]

To be honest what I would love to see is Cyprus being part of Greece ...
Both technically & realistically impossible


The mistakes that happened in 1974 from the part of the Greek government back then(Ioannides' military junta)were tragic.Turkey always found the weakest moment of her enemies to attack.
Like Achilles said the results for both Greeks and Turks in Cyprus were disastrous.However the Cypriots have managed to make an amazingly strong economy with one of the most powerful currencies in the world,while Northern Cyprus remains an area in "blockade" which could remind someone of a huge graveyard full of living people(look at all the abandoned and destroyed houses and villages of the Greek Cypriots,the thousands of Turkish soldiers there guarding that place)

Let's just agree for a moment (Greeks & Turks I mean), that both Greeks & Turks made mistakes & let's admit that both sides committed attrocities against each other, 45-50 years ago...now that Cyprus is a full member of the EU, is it still impossible to return to the pre-1974 status? is it still impossible to return to the 1960 constitution? I know that the Turkish side in 1964 withdrew from the parliament, feared for their safety in the Greek-dominated parts of the island (justifiably or unjustifiably)...now, what, some 43-44 years later, are these fears still valid? is it possible with the principles within the EU, its institutions, its council & the various committees who study, analyze, and report on civil rights abuses to evade attention if you do not respect the civil or human rights of the Turkish minority? is there anything to fear from a re-unificated island with restored the status-quo ante?

[achilles]

Well, i have no visions of "Enosis" or anything close to it. It is not realistic whatsoever.

After all, the Cypriots seem to be doing a pretty good job on their own. What i want is Turkey to set free the illegally occupied northern part of the island. This will only promote a viable and fair solution for both communities.

[DeltaWhisky58]

Beydola seems to have opened this thread to star a flamefest, Foinikas seems to have opted in.

This topic has been done to death in previous threads.