10yrs for BJ at 17

[kawaiku]

ATLANTA, Georgia (CNN) -- Jubilation turned to anger Monday after Georgia's top prosecutor vowed he would fight a judge's order that would have set free Genarlow Wilson, a Georgia man serving a 10-year prison sentence for a consensual ****** encounter he had as a teenager.
Wilson's attorney, B.J. Bernstein, said her client would not accept a proposed plea bargain that would get him out of prison because it would require Wilson to plead guilty to a felony.
A judge ruled Monday that his conduct should have been punished as a misdemeanor.
"We're going to keep fighting," Bernstein told reporters at a news conference at the state Capitol. (Watch the day's twists send supporters on emotional roller coaster (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:cnnVideo%28%27play%27,%27/video/law/2007/06/11/tucker.genarlow.wilson.cnn%27,%272009/06/10%27%29;) http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/.element/img/1.5/main/icon_video.gif (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:cnnVideo%28%27play%27,%27/video/law/2007/06/11/tucker.genarlow.wilson.cnn%27,%272009/06/10%27%29;))
She was flanked by civil rights leaders and black lawmakers, who expressed anger at the decision by Georgia Attorney General Thurbert Baker to block Wilson's release by filing an appeal of the judge's ruling.
Joseph Lowery, former president of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, called Baker's decision "unnecessary, unjust and unfounded."
"We don't understand the reasoning or rationale of the attorney general on this issue," Lowery said. (Watch Lowery call the top prosecutor's action absurd and unjust (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:cnnVideo%28%27play%27,%27/video/law/2007/06/11/wilson.sclc.press.conference.cnn%27,%272009/06/10%27%29;) http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/.element/img/1.5/main/icon_video.gif (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:cnnVideo%28%27play%27,%27javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:cnnVideo%28%27play%27,%27/video/law/2007/06/11/wilson.sclc.press.conference.cnn%27,%272009/06/10%27%29;%27,%272007/06/12%27%29;))
Wilson is black, as is Baker.
Here's the link: http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/06/11/teen.***.case/index.html

In my opinion, I think that (when looking at how promiscuous todays youth is), people showed either be a little more aware of what is going on or, change the age to 15 as it is dumb to jail a guy for getting a bj at 17 by a 15yr old when you usually get rather "active" at that age.

[kamaz]

wait wait wait wait .. wait..



his attorney in this case is named B.J. Bernstein???

is this a joke?


feel bad for the kid. The ugly smell of racism is prevalent in this ruling, a black kid, a white girl, its the South. what else is new. Disgusting and shameful for us as a whole nation.

[WolverineBlue]

Here's the link: http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/06/11/teen.***.case/index.html

In my opinion, I think that (when looking at how promiscuous todays youth is), people showed either be a little more aware of what is going on or, change the age to 15 as it is dumb to jail a guy for getting a bj at 17 by a 15yr old when you usually get rather "active" at that age.

Speak for yourself, mate

[kawaiku]

Speak for yourself, mate
Haven't had the pleasure

[kamaz]

seriously, teens today start getting active at 15-18 range, it boggles my mind that a guy can be arrested and jailed for 10 years for getting a BJ. gimme a break, this nothing but ugly and prevalent racism that still taints the South.

[Death.]

seriously, teens today start getting active at 15-18 range, it boggles my mind that a guy can be arrested and jailed for 10 years for getting a BJ. gimme a break, this nothing but ugly and prevalent racism that still taints the South.

What the hell does this have to do with racism?

[kawaiku]

I don't no where he got racism but I thought it more like stupidity and almost no awareness to what is going on in today's society(I mean look at all of those protection adds on the TV *hint hint* *nudge nudge*.

[kamaz]

What the hell does this have to do with racism?

the kid was black, the girl was white, its Georgia. do the math. How many cases like this have you heard of where a white kid does 10 yrs for getting a BJ.

Cmon man, you were 17 once, you dont remember how horny you got when a girl was willing to go down on you. Can you sit there with a straight face and tell me you'd decline a BJ at 17, cause the girl is 2 yrs younger than you? Thats BS. (im asking everyone btw, not just you)

the punishment does not fit the crime. it is unjust.

[2Sheds_Jackson]

The title of the thread is a misleading. It's not "10yrs for BJ at 17" , it's 10 yrs for BJ at 15. He's in trouble for child molestation, not for getting a blow job. Under the law a 15 year old who serviced him can't give consent. He was also accused of rape by a 17 year old, and was acquitted, but was convicted of aggravated child molestation.

Doing time for this is crazy though, IMHO. If he was 25 I could see it. But it makes no sense to me to call a 15 year old too immature to give consent, but at 17 be old enough to be fully accountable.

But the law is the law. There is no question he broke the law- and under the law the minimum sentence is 10 years. He was offered a plea bargain of 5 (with probable release in 2) - but refused.

EDIT - race has nothing to do with it IMHO. He was accused of rape by the drunk and incoherent 17 year old girl he had *** with, and that landed him in court. In the investigation, it was found that he committed child molestation, and was charged with it. He was convicted of it (since the 15 year old admitted to it) - and under the law there is a 10 year mandatory sentence no matter what color he was.

[CPL Trevoga]

the kid was black, the girl was white, its Georgia. do the math. How many cases like this have you heard of where a white kid does 10 yrs for getting a BJ.

Cmon man, you were 17 once, you dont remember how horny you got when a girl was willing to go down on you. Can you sit there with a straight face and tell me you'd decline a BJ at 17, cause the girl is 2 yrs younger than you? Thats BS. (im asking everyone btw, not just you)

the punishment does not fit the crime. it is unjust.

I think it's you who's being prejudiced against Southerners. Case is simple, she was underage and it's illegal in Georgia. The problem here is excessive sentence imposed by the law.

P.S. Sounds like it was a good party though.

[Backwoodshunter]

For the record, the judge is black, and I'm more than sure there were a couple black jurors.

[ThatHistoryDude]

I must have missed it where did it say the girl involved was white?

Anyway accusations of rasicsm aside this whole case seems really odd I dont think this guy or the others with him who were also charged with rape and child molestation are angels but 10 years for a bj from a girl who is only 2 years younger than you??? thats nuts.

Many states have a three or four year rule in order to protect things like this from happening.

[StukaJr]

Things would have been different have the male been 15 and the female 17... Given the fact that both of them are minors, punishment is greatly disproportionate to the crime... No matter what the jail sentence is, plea bargain or not - the kid's life is pretty much ruined for activity that was argued not a ****** act by the former president of the United States...

Given that the victim is a minor and apparently can't give consent, than her parents or guardians can - it's not up to the state to decide... The age that teens become ******ly active make good percentage of the population felons in the eye of this Puritan set of values...

Given the dangers of a willful blowjob or a black male coming out of State Jail system at the age of 27 with GED (hopefully), on probation, branded a *** offender and employable only at bottom feeder jobs - I'll take the jail sentence as a damage and not in spirit of the law.

[Sneeker]

All I can say is thank the lord I live in Canada. Or else id be serving life for the amount of times that happened to me up north. And so would everyone else in Canada I'm sure. But I guess the law is the law, and if it says you cant do anything ****** with someone 15 or under thats the law I guess, but that is very dumb.

[seraosha]

Things would have been different have the male been 15 and the female 17...

Exactly. And if the female happened to be an adult, white, sexy blond teacher?
So many different standards going on lately it's almost farcical.

[ronnieraygun]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/06/11/teen.***.case.ap/index.html

Overturned. But your good friends at the state level apparently intend to _appeal_. The real reason you all want to see the kid rot is because Jimmy Carter spoke out for him...p-)

Actually, they need to allow this case to highlight the gross inconsistencies from state to state regarding age of consent laws. You can be locked away for a long time in one state and then perfectly normal and law-abiding in another. They could have benefitted from something like the "four years difference" law in this state. I am willing to bet the kid is far from a saint and there's more to it than we've been told, but the sentence was exceptionally punitive.

[2Sheds_Jackson]

After looking at the case, it really looks to me that the prosecutor is a prick. He knows GA has mandatory minimum sentencing, is aware of the circumstances (only a 2 year age difference) - and still slapped the molestation charge on there - and his plea agreement still required Wilson to serve 5 years. Not much of a bargain.

All that being said - he was convicted - and I don't think that the judge has the authority to simply toss away a jury verdict because he doesn't like it. That's the kind of BS that led to mandatory minimum sentences in the first place. The prosecutor says the plea agreement is still on the table - he ought to reduce it to 3 years & no "****** predator" charge in exchange for an admission of guilt (the kid has already served nearly 2.5 years).

[California Joe]

Some of the pricks on here are lucky this forum isn't GA. Remember Lexi?

[Hydro]

Some of the pricks on here are lucky this forum isn't GA. Remember Lexi?



I think some guys would've gone to the chair while she was here.

[Hollis]

. I am willing to bet the kid is far from a saint and there's more to it than we've been told, but the sentence was exceptionally punitive.


Saying there is more, means we don't know what the other parts are. Maybe or maybe not too punitive.

According the media, there really seems to be something wrong and that the punishment was exceptionally punitive. NOW what is not being said and why could really make a big difference. Obviously the states "isn't saying", but is demonstrating there is more.

Ask a local DA about the problems of knowing someone is really dirty and having to plea bargain it down, or go for lessor charges. Ask someone who does background investigation what some misdemeanor charges can really mean on further investigation.

There really seems more going on here than the media is reporting or we can take the article at face value.

[Dasein]

The reason the sentence was so severe is that oral *** was considered sodomy at the time the act occured, and sodomy carries more severe penalties than regular intercourse. Had he merely had *** with her, he'd have gotten a much less severe sentence.

[StukaJr]

The reason the sentence was so severe is that oral *** was considered sodomy at the time the act occured, and sodomy carries more severe penalties than regular intercourse. Had he merely had *** with her, he'd have gotten a much less severe sentence.

They can't tell a mouth from an anus? That begs an explanation p-)

[SBL]

feel bad for the kid. The ugly smell of racism is prevalent in this ruling, a black kid, a white girl, its the South. what else is new. Disgusting and shameful for us as a whole nation.

It's amazing how you can spot that all the way from Brazil.

[MonkeyLibFront]

The reason the sentence was so severe is that oral *** was considered sodomy at the time the act occured, and sodomy carries more severe penalties than regular intercourse. Had he merely had *** with her, he'd have gotten a much less severe sentence.

Indeed, if the kid had *** with her he would have been slapped with a misdemeanor due to some law about the age difference(can't remember it now).

[ren0312]

I believe that the law should dictate society, rather than society dictating law, that said, I think the sentence is rather excessive, a 9 month sentence for underage *** would have sufficed, but this ruling does go back to the debate of moral relativism versus moral absolutism.

[kawaiku]

I believe that the law should dictate society, rather than society dictating law
Well I think that if the law that is dictating society gets passed by "the times" then it would need society dictating how the laws are formed and changed by the evolving society so that things like this don't happen.

[2Sheds_Jackson]

I believe that the law should dictate society, rather than society dictating law

Er...yikes. Since the people wouldn't get to create the law that determines their society - who should dictate these laws? And what should this "dictator" be called? Oh wait.

[Jobu]

Some of the pricks on here are lucky this forum isn't GA. Remember Lexi?

I always assumed Lexi was an FBI agent or a MP looking for pervs to bust.

[Wylie coyote]

The reason the sentence was so severe is that oral *** was considered sodomy at the time the act occured, and sodomy carries more severe penalties than regular intercourse.

wait... what? im no doctor but i am 100% sure that those two holes are the exact opposite. soo how exactly is a BJ sodemy?

[NewsMan]

No racism? So the hot white teachers who bang their students repeatedly all got 10 years?

[Jobu]

No racism? So the hot white teachers who bang their students repeatedly all got 10 years?

I don't know, were they in Georgia?

[Dasein]

wait... what? im no doctor but i am 100% sure that those two holes are the exact opposite. soo how exactly is a BJ sodemy?

In some states, anything other than *****/****** *** is considered sodomy.

[ronnieraygun]

Sodomy (IPA: [ˡsɒdəmi]) is a term of biblical origin used to characterize ****** acts that have been attributed to citizens of ancient Sodom. In the Middle Ages, "sodomy" and "buggery" were defined as homo****** practices. It may also include ****** acts except for coital *** between a male and female. Therefore the range includes everything from anal penetration to oral *** to masturbation to paraphilia. It is sometimes used to describe human-animal ****** intercourse (also known as bestiality or zoophilia); this is the primary meaning of the cognate German language word Sodomie. Sodomy laws forbidding certain types of *** acts have been instituted in many cultures.
The English term buggery is very closely related to sodomy, in concept, and often interchangeably used in law and popular speech. In the various criminal codes of United States of America, the term "sodomy" has generally been replaced by "deviant ****** intercourse", which is precisely defined by statute. The remaining criminal interest is largely confined to acts where the victim did not or could not legally consent.

[StukaJr]

Well, color me deviant then...

It's odd that Bill Clinton was not charged with "deviant ****** intercourse" then

[dangerclose]

feel bad for the kid. The ugly smell of racism is prevalent in this ruling, a black kid, a white girl, its the South. what else is new. Disgusting and shameful for us as a whole nation.



the kid was black, the girl was white, its Georgia. do the math. How many cases like this have you heard of where a white kid does 10 yrs for getting a BJ.




Except that the one person keeping this guy in prison - the Attorney General - is black.

[Hawkeye4077]

seriously, teens today start getting active at 15-18 range...

**** man it's earlier than that. I saw on GMA that they had a report saying that the age where kids "expirement" the most is at 13!!! On top of that, the STD going around most is ghonnorea (sp?) of the mouth, found now mostly in girls ages 10-13!!! Incredible, I remember when it was cool to brag about making out with a girl at 13, now adays it's bragging about banging one!

[ThatHistoryDude]

Ok seriously several people are claiming that it was a white girl involved and using this to claim that the verdict was racially motivated. But as far as I know the girls identity has not been revealed nor will it as she is a minor so how do we know it was a white girl? I have never seen this mentioned in any of the articles about the case so I am just curious.

[Lt. James Anderson]

Ok seriously several people are claiming that it was a white girl involved and using this to claim that the verdict was racially motivated. But as far as I know the girls identity has not been revealed nor will it as she is a minor so how do we know it was a white girl? I have never seen this mentioned in any of the articles about the case so I am just curious.

She's not. Both of them are black.
As for people who claim the girl is white ... they are idiots.

[IraGlacialis]

Before I state this, I would have to say that, personally I find what the guy and girl did completely immoral. I find it sickening that kids are already thinking about and actually having *** during ****ing middle school (many of them before 15)!
I do think the charges, while not racist (though in some cases there may be racial bias), have certainly a huge bias against the male. There have been many cases when the girl is completely willing, and in some cases, the one who initiates the action (especially with a blowjob (unless the guy shoving her face into his crotch or threatening her, I don't see how it is involuntary)). The guy is having molestation charges for receiving consentual oral ***. Yet the male takes the fall for it, while the girl was being "taken advantaged". Now as one person pointed out, if the guy was like at least 5 years older, that would be another story, but there is a 2 years difference.
And the intoxication excuse (as evident when it was thrown out) is BS (even though there are legitimate cases of it). She shouldn't even be drinking in the first place.
15 years of age being too young to decide? Bollocks.
If anything, I think both parties should be charged.

[deagle]

where the jurors /judge caucasian ? dunno, seems a bit harsh by the letter of the book.

[California Joe]

I'm not joking...When I was a cop in Maryland we looked through the Common Law statutes and determined that you could get in less trouble for sodomizing a dead donkey on the state capitol steps than you could by engaging in oral *** with a willing participant you were not married to. Oh those whacky Puritans.....

[Firetxmi]

Teen oral *** case should be over by now

Genarlow Wilson has been punished enough; prosecutor should drop appeal

By Susan Filan
Senior legal analyst
Updated: 9:06 a.m. ET June 13, 2007

A judge in Georgia has voided the ten year mandatory sentence of Genarlow Wilson, a high school student who received consensual oral *** from a fifteen year old girl.

Ironically, if the two had intercourse, it would have been a misdemeanor, punishable by not more than a year in prison. After Wilson's conviction, there was outrage over his sentence, and the legislature changed the statute so that oral *** is a misdemeanor too. But the statute did not affect Wilson, because the change did not apply retroactively. Even though no other teen could ever receive Wilson's sentence because the law changed, Wilson 's punishment could not be changed. The courts said that the only remedy for Wilson was through the legislature, but the legislature refused to act. The new bill drafted to help Wilson was stalled.

Thus, Wilson went back to court yet again, this time on a writ of habeas corpus, which means "release the body." The defense argued he was being unfairly held because his incarceration was unconstitutional. This time, a judge agreed. The court ruled Monday that Wilson's confinement violated the Eighth Amendment's prohibition against cruel and unusual punishment.

The judge courageously wrote:
If this court or any court cannot recognize the injustice of what has occurred here, then our court system has lost sight of the goal our judicial system has always strived to accomplish ... justice being served in a fair and equal manner.

Wilson was ordered released. He was re-sentenced to 12 months in prison, a total victory for Wilson, who has served nearly double that already. Furthermore, he does not have to register as a *** offender when he gets out. But the prison doors have not sprung open for Wilson. The attorney general has filed an appeal, seeking a higher court's ruling as to whether the court has the power to commute Wilson's sentence to a sentence that did not statutorily exist at the time of his conviction.

Wilson's lawyer, B.J. Bernstein, is asking the court to set an appellate bond which would permit Wilson's release pending appeal. Hopefully, it will be a bond that Wilson can afford to post.

Bernstein is extremely disturbed that the attorney general would continue to fight to keep Wilson behind bars.

I agree with Bernstein. This case is a travesty of justice. I am not endorsing Wilson's conduct. What he did was illegal, and he deserved to be punished for it. But the punishment has to fit the crime, and the punishment has to be proportionate to what any other person, similarly situated, would receive. The fact that no other teen in the state of Georgia could serve a mandatory 10 years in prison for consensual oral *** means it is a gross miscarriage of justice for Wilson to be imprisoned for 10 years.

For the attorney general to pursue this appeal is to seek injustice. Yes, the prosecutor may have a valid argument on appeal in that an argument could be made that the court may not be able to commute a sentence to a penalty that was statutorily prohibited at the time of sentencing. But so could the argument be made that the court's inherent powers to right a wrong, to correct an injustice, are broad and lie within the sound discretion of the trier of fact.

If the court finds Wilson's sentence unconstitutional, which it did, how could the court then not have the power to fix it? And even if the prosecutor's appellate argument has merit, it is a hyper-technical point which loses sight of the bigger picture, that of fundamental fairness. It crosses the line from using the law as a beacon of justice to a sword of Damocles.

The prosecution should drop its appeal, and this case should be over. Wilson should be free, and should use his freedom to help teens across America navigate their teen years through the thicket of peer pressure regarding ***, underage drinking and illegal substance abuse.

Why not let two years in prison, which is double the time anyone else would have to serve for the same misconduct, be enough?

The court's courageous ruling should be the last word in this long legal and political battle to see that justice is served. The punishment has to fit the crime, and cannot be ten years harsher for one teen than it would for any other. Ten years for consensual oral *** is ridiculous, especially when he could not have been sentenced to more than one year if they had intercourse.

Wilson, time served, go home.


Link: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19188343/

[perdurabo]

Wilson's lawyer, B.J. Bernstein,
he choosed right one for this job ;)

[shocker1]

I like how people go "omg racism it must be because it is Georgia, this never happens to the benevolent northern population" Get over yourself people while this is a ridiculous case this has more to do with the public getting tired of ****** predators and a DA prick looking to score hard ass points. So stuff the damn ohhhh it's the South, because racism is alive and well in Yankee land too.

Maybe those of us who are parents should ask ourselves what kind of moral standard have we handed our children. Where are the parents of these children? What responsibility do they have in this?

[Laconian]

I think the AG is filing an appeal as a matter of precedent. If the sentence is overturned after a change in the law, how many other folks will get released if other changes to laws are made? Once it is done once, legal precedence has been set. That's a slippery slope.

How many of you folks that think this is all hunky-dorey and 15-yr olds should be allowed to consent to *** acts are actually parents? Do you want Daddy's little girl to go around orally gratifying her local HS population? That's right, the little ray of sunshine you bounced on your knee and thought you lit the world on fire is going to be bouncing her head up and down on some guy's lap. Puts a different spin on it, don't it?

[Firetxmi]

How many of you folks that think this is all hunky-dorey and 15-yr olds should be allowed to consent to *** acts are actually parents? Do you want Daddy's little girl to go around orally gratifying her local HS population? That's right, the little ray of sunshine you bounced on your knee and thought you lit the world on fire is going to be bouncing her head up and down on some guy's lap. Puts a different spin on it, don't it?

While I don't like that image as much as you don't, thats not the point.

The point: Does the 10 yr. sentence that was imposed fit the crime?

[Laconian]

It did at the time, that's why it was imposed. The judge didn't make it up, he went by the sentencing guidelines. If we start changing sentences we start going down a slippery slope, which is why I think the AG is fighting this case.

[Breakfast in Vegas]

the kid was black, the girl was white, its Georgia. do the math. How many cases like this have you heard of where a white kid does 10 yrs for getting a BJ.

Cmon man, you were 17 once, you dont remember how horny you got when a girl was willing to go down on you. Can you sit there with a straight face and tell me you'd decline a BJ at 17, cause the girl is 2 yrs younger than you? Thats BS. (im asking everyone btw, not just you)

the punishment does not fit the crime. it is unjust.

Agreed that the punishment doesn't fit the crime, but try getting your facts straight before trying to make it into a racial issue. Both parties were black.

In any case, just unreal to think a consensual blowjob between teens can get you time.

[Firetxmi]

All of this while white collar crime (where millions of dollars are robbed) gets ridiculously low sentences.

[SBL]

All of this while white collar crime (where millions of dollars are robbed) gets ridiculously low sentences.

Oh the injustice! *wrings hands in agony*

[shocker1]

All of this while white collar crime (where millions of dollars are robbed) gets ridiculously low sentences.
Oh you just had to bring up something white.p-)

Might be the millions the defense gets that helps them out.

[Firetxmi]

Oh you just had to bring up something white.p-)


Well, I am from ThE SoUtH! :D lol!

[shocker1]

Well, I am from ThE SoUtH! :D lol!
In the old days if you messed around with somebody's little girl you saw something like this.
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38691000/jpg/_38691593_bbc_shotgun2_300.jpg

[little icebear]

How many of you folks that think this is all hunky-dorey and 15-yr olds should be allowed to consent to *** acts are actually parents? Do you want Daddy's little girl to go around orally gratifying her local HS population? That's right, the little ray of sunshine you bounced on your knee and thought you lit the world on fire is going to be bouncing her head up and down on some guy's lap. Puts a different spin on it, don't it?

Do you really think this is something which is way more a matter of decent education? Something which is a matter of the parents but not the law?
It´s their job to teach her daughter not to behave like the kind of person you have portrayed.

Of course there´s a line to draw, concerning the age of consent. But in this case both were teenagers.
It´s not like if a creepy old pedo has taken advantage of a naive little girl.

[Laconian]

In the old days they solved a lot of problems with a long piece of tree and a short piece of rope; that doesn't make it legal.

[Breakfast in Vegas]

Blowjobs are cool.

[Laconian]

Most teenagers are not evolved enough to think with their heads and not their hearts or emotions, they are still in the realm of instant gratification like toddlers except that instead of wanting a cookie or new toy they want ***, or drugs or booze 'cause its something they think they are ready for. I will not deny that GA sodomy law, was largely enacted by the fact of it being in the Bible Belt, just like some the the ridiculous Puritan-based laws of the northeast. But those laws were also put there to protect youngsters from making stupid decisions early on. If you knew the penalty for getting a hummer was 10 years in jail, its kind of a buzzkill. At least back a few years when people were afraid of the law. Nowadays, norms have changed and things are different. I have a 15 yr-old daughter. I know for a fact she is not emotionally mature enough to handle a ****** relationship on top of all the other crap kids have to deal with. She also knows it, as do all of her male friends who know that Mr. Laconian and a bunch of his steely-eyed killer friends who think of my daughter as their niece, is not morally opposed to making some nogoodnick disappear in the swamps of Georgia.

[California Joe]

That's why I have you on speed dial my friend. :)

[shocker1]

She also knows it, as do all of her male friends who know that Mr. Laconian and a bunch of his steely-eyed killer friends who think of my daughter as their niece, is not morally opposed to making some nogoodnick disappear in the swamps of Georgia.
I like your style.:)

[Laworkerbee]

How many of you folks that think this is all hunky-dorey and 15-yr olds should be allowed to consent to *** acts are actually parents? Do you want Daddy's little girl to go around orally gratifying her local HS population? That's right, the little ray of sunshine you bounced on your knee and thought you lit the world on fire is going to be bouncing her head up and down on some guy's lap. Puts a different spin on it, don't it?

Christ man!

I'm never having a daughter not after reading that!!!

[Bia]

LOL... If you're a really hot female teacher though.... you can molest all the boys you want with minimal punishment.


LOLz @ "it's a mans world"

;)

[kawaiku]

Most teenagers are not evolved enough to think with their heads and not their hearts or emotions, they are still in the realm of instant gratification like toddlers except that instead of wanting a cookie or new toy they want ***, or drugs or booze 'cause its something they think they are ready for. I will not deny that GA sodomy law, was largely enacted by the fact of it being in the Bible Belt, just like some the the ridiculous Puritan-based laws of the northeast. But those laws were also put there to protect youngsters from making stupid decisions early on. If you knew the penalty for getting a hummer was 10 years in jail, its kind of a buzzkill. At least back a few years when people were afraid of the law. Nowadays, norms have changed and things are different. I have a 15 yr-old daughter. I know for a fact she is not emotionally mature enough to handle a ****** relationship on top of all the other crap kids have to deal with. She also knows it, as do all of her male friends who know that Mr. Laconian and a bunch of his steely-eyed killer friends who think of my daughter as their niece, is not morally opposed to making some nogoodnick disappear in the swamps of Georgia.
Good post Laconian. Brings a lot to perspective.

That last part made me picture a bunch of tattooed guys holding bats, chains, and axes with Lac in the middle and a hand on his daughter's shoulder goin, " treat her nicely."

[Laconian]

One of the funniest "leave my daughter alone speeches" I ever heard came from a guy who looked like Sam Elliott's meaner brother. He merely mentioned to the young lad coming to pick up his daughter for a date, "Anything happens to her; someone's gonna die. I love her and I don't believe in suicide, you can see where that leaves you."

[Desk Jockey]

Christ man!

I'm never having a daughter not after reading that!!!

Too true, I do HR for a living and occassionally I have to source entry - level, younger workers depending on the consulting contract, skill - set, gig, etc.

For the hell of it, to break the boredom if a candidate who is a girl has a unique name, I will run it through myspace, it does not weigh in on project assignements but I am 31 and some of this stuff I see makes me feel really old.

God don't let her be a girl if I become a dad, I will drink myself to death with anxiety.

[California Joe]

I had a friend with 3 daughters. When some joker would come to pick up his oldest he'd talk to the kid in his study for a bit. While they talked he'd write the kids name on a shotgun shell with a sharpie. Then as they were ready to go he'd walk over to the mantle and place it next to several used shells and say "I'll expect her home by 11:30, are we clear?" :)

I'm so doing the sharpening the tomahawk, cleaning the flinter thing...

My daughter is the same age as Laconians and I have a lot of land out back for people to get lost in.

[Anthony91]

I had a friend with 3 daughters. When some joker would come to pick up his oldest he'd talk to the kid in his study for a bit. While they talked he'd write the kids name on a shotgun shell with a sharpie. Then as they were ready to go he'd walk over to the mantle and place it next to several used shells and say "I'll expect her home by 11:30, are we clear?" :)

I'm so doing the sharpening the tomahawk, cleaning the flinter thing...

My daughter is the same age as Laconians and I have a lot of land out back for people to get lost in.

Great idea!

[Laconian]

CJ,
I can get my hands on some "stuff" to make digging holes in winter easier, if need be, since you live where the grounds freezes and stuff. Just offering.

[California Joe]

Excellent, if it gets to that point my brother owns an excavator and he's got a daughter of his own so he has pretty much the same opinion as I do....:)

[Anthony91]

Excellent, if it gets to that point my brother owns an excavator and he's got a daughter of his own so he has pretty much the same opinion as I do....:)

Cali Joe...you're my hero!

[Laconian]

Hey, CJ, here's an idea: All of these pukes that get on our bad side - we keep 'em and use 'em for the final exercise (a surprises live fire) at the airsofter's summer camp you mentioned in the other thread. We keep a couple to use for H2H drills, ya know some simple bone breaks/chokes/knife/tomahawk/garrote stuff, but the majority are what we use to call "talking targets."

[kawaiku]

Chastity Belt all the way. O, and with them razor things too.

[Durandal]

Before I state this, I would have to say that, personally I find what the guy and girl did completely immoral. I find it sickening that kids are already thinking about and actually having *** during ****ing middle school (many of them before 15)!

*chuckle*

Nothing worse than a 19 year telling us what is moral and what is not.

I am going on 38 years old and I had my first **** stash when I was 12.

Once kids reach a certain age we think about it a lot.

I think its rather odd to have a kid that doesn't by the time they are 15 or 16.

All mocking Ira's silly rant this is my take on it.

A) States need to get rid of their anti *** laws when it comes to consenting ADULTS.

B) When I was in High School, I dated kids my own age or older. I never dated anyone younger than me till well into college and both of us were adults. I don't care if the dude is 60 and she is 25, both are adults.

C) Parents need to take a more active role in their child's life. People will tell you otherwise and there certainly are examples that prove it not to be true but ultimately, kids get too much stuff, are not told "no" often enough, do not work enough prior to college, and are getting crappy educations...which all leads to...










...wait for it...










































































































...China taking over the world. p-)

[Durandal]

I had a friend with 3 daughters. When some joker would come to pick up his oldest he'd talk to the kid in his study for a bit. While they talked he'd write the kids name on a shotgun shell with a sharpie. Then as they were ready to go he'd walk over to the mantle and place it next to several used shells and say "I'll expect her home by 11:30, are we clear?" :)

I'm so doing the sharpening the tomahawk, cleaning the flinter thing...

My daughter is the same age as Laconians and I have a lot of land out back for people to get lost in.

Rock on my brother. Its nice to have land.

[Bia]

I seemed to have done well as a young woman during those really hard times as a teen/preteen when it came to *** and I give my parents full credit for their method which was not a conscious thought of keeping me chaste but rather instead informed or not shielded from reality...

As far back as I can remember as a child.... to me *** was equated with reproduction... not an entertainment activity. My parents did not let me watch anything I wanted on TV or give me web access with no supervision.
My mother bred and trained dogs (obediance training) and I witnessed many many live births my entire childhood. I also witnessed a couple "stud" services our champ Doberman was fortunate enough to be the host of... So evertime some boy in Jr High or Highschool put some moves on me all I could imagine was me lying there a bloody mess squeezing out puppies and that alone gave me strength to keep Mr Touchy Feely (boys) in check.
Only after I got much older and was educated on birth control and other factors did my intrest start to gain momentum.

[SBL]

I want to take such a cheap shot right now, but I'll bite my tongue.

[Bia]

I want to take such a cheap shot right now, but I'll bite my tongue.
But just mentioning it must be some sort of satisfaction I'm sure.

LOL at grapes of the bitter variety.

[SBL]

Easy there, Ma Kettle. Take a joke.

[Bia]

Easy there, Ma Kettle. Take a joke.


LOL... I think you are the one that needs to do such.


relax and plz stop

[kawaiku]

Simmer down children simmer down...

[Thor]

Send it to jail and throw away the key

[IraGlacialis]

*chuckle*
Nothing worse than a 19 year telling us what is moral and what is not.
I am going on 38 years old and I had my first **** stash when I was 12.
Once kids reach a certain age we think about it a lot.
I think its rather odd to have a kid that doesn't by the time they are 15 or 16.
All mocking Ira's silly rant this is my take on it.
So what that I am a bit square? I am just giving my perspective, not trying to change other people's actions, as wrong as I may find them. That's why I found the charge absolutely ludicrous.
And I can frankly say that I don't think about having ***. I will admire a woman's figure yes, but don't have ****** thoughts towards it. Oh, and I find **** disgusting (at least wear a bikini bottom (top half doesn't bug me)). Call me odd or silly, but that is just me.

[Firetxmi]

And I can frankly say that I don't think about having ***. I will admire a woman's figure yes, but don't have ****** thoughts towards it. Oh, and I find **** disgusting (at least wear a bikini bottom (top half doesn't bug me)). Call me odd or silly, but that is just me.

That is strange.... Very strange....

[Violet Fashion by Mindy]

Hang on the male got charged with molestation what did the girl get charged with?

[IraGlacialis]

Hang on the male got charged with molestation what did the girl get charged with?
Nothing as she was probably "too emotionally scarred" from the event.
:roll:

[Laconian]

Hang on the male got charged with molestation what did the girl get charged with?

The female was 15 and since she cannot give consent, by GA law, she is a victim and not chargeable.

[Baboonass]

I had a friend with 3 daughters. When some joker would come to pick up his oldest he'd talk to the kid in his study for a bit. While they talked he'd write the kids name on a shotgun shell with a sharpie. Then as they were ready to go he'd walk over to the mantle and place it next to several used shells and say "I'll expect her home by 11:30, are we clear?" :)

I'm so doing the sharpening the tomahawk, cleaning the flinter thing...

My daughter is the same age as Laconians and I have a lot of land out back for people to get lost in.


I have 2 daughters.

I have an engraving machine rather than a sharpie.



Laconian; never write stuff like that again, the image in my head makes me want to kill, and I'll use you as a defence like the Twinki case.

[perdurabo]

In Poland everything above 15 is legal to give consent (not start **** career...)
When i was 15 i had lots of **** stashed and dreamd about girls but kiss was all i could get, girls where smarter then. Now i'm almoust 25 my girl(i hope future wife) want's to have girls and i'm scared what will happen wen they start to grown up will they be smart enough to reject those stupid full of hormones young men? 15 is definetly too low to give consent, our law is stupid, it should be atleast 17.

[Calanen]

I think the AG is filing an appeal as a matter of precedent. If the sentence is overturned after a change in the law, how many other folks will get released if other changes to laws are made? Once it is done once, legal precedence has been set. That's a slippery slope.


That was not the reason it was ruled on I believe, the fact that 10 years in the slammer for a consensual BJ was considered cruel and unusual punishment and in violation of the 8th Amendment. I have to agree.

No matter how hard core a bible thumping christian any person who looked at this might be (and I'm a Catholic, although I see all these things in a secular light) 10 years, is just ridiculous. It is a cruel and unusual punishment. The appeal was not based on the fact that the law had changed, nor could it have been.

[little icebear]

Now i'm almoust 25 my girl(i hope future wife) want's to have girls and i'm scared what will happen wen they start to grown up will they be smart enough to reject those stupid full of hormones young men?

I think it is your job to raise and educate your kids (no matter if boys or girls) in a such way, that they know what is right and what is wrong.

And given the fact, that your comments I read all over mp.net make you look like a perfectly reasonable person, I think you´ll be able to manage that.

Not only boys get curious about the opposite ***. Girls are full of hormones as well. Two horny teenagers should not be treated like criminals.

They should be in trouble because they disappointed their parents, not because of some bogus law which considers them to be perverts.

[perdurabo]

thx, but it still dosen't remove fears :roll: meh sorry for stealing thread :)

[little icebear]

thx, but it still dosen't remove fears :roll: meh sorry for stealing thread :)


Being a worried father is just as natural as being a horny teenager.

And if had a teenage daughter, I´d make sure that her male friends know that I can be a f*cking violent person when I get angry. p-)

[angry cow]

I wonder what the sentence would be for a white kid doing the same crime?

I'm half-white, half Asian/Pacific Islander and I've spent plenty of time in the south with the Army, and I was continually amazed at the extent and institutionalized nature of racism in that region. Especially for a progressive, western democracy. I have been to every state except Alaska, and the way blacks are treated in the Georgia-Mississippi-Alabama region is intolerable.

10 years for a crime such as this is absurd. It wouldn't even make news if it was a white kid because it would have either been a misdemeanor or the parents wouldn't have minded terribly because their daughter was just fooling around with another white kid. For decades to come it will be safe to say that no matter what color the state prosecutor is, the SYSTEM will demand harsher penalties on African-Americans. Until my friends in the south stop getting pulled over because of the color of their skin (how many people do you know have been pulled over 18 times without ever receiving a ticket?) I will continue to be extremely skeptical regarding cases such as these in that region.

[little icebear]

I wonder what the sentence would be for a white kid doing the same crime?



As far as I got it, it turned out that they were both black. Or did I miss something?

[angry cow]

Prosecutor is black.

The convicted is black.

The victim is white.

[chas]

Land of the free, right?

[Thor]

Until my friends in the south stop getting pulled over because of the color of their skin (how many people do you know have been pulled over 18 times without ever receiving a ticket?) I will continue to be extremely skeptical regarding cases such as these in that region.
Why shouldn't the police be able to stop whoever they suspect?

[shocker1]

I'm half-white, half Asian/Pacific Islander and I've spent plenty of time in the south with the Army, and I was continually amazed at the extent and institutionalized nature of racism in that region. Especially for a progressive, western democracy. I have been to every state except Alaska, and the way blacks are treated in the Georgia-Mississippi-Alabama region is intolerable.

10 years for a crime such as this is absurd. It wouldn't even make news if it was a white kid because it would have either been a misdemeanor or the parents wouldn't have minded terribly because their daughter was just fooling around with another white kid. For decades to come it will be safe to say that no matter what color the state prosecutor is, the SYSTEM will demand harsher penalties on African-Americans. Until my friends in the south stop getting pulled over because of the color of their skin (how many people do you know have been pulled over 18 times without ever receiving a ticket?) I will continue to be extremely skeptical regarding cases such as these in that region.
You and your friends should throw away the red bandannas. You have no idea what your talking about. Minorities fill the jails and have the blue lights on the bumper across this whole land. I am so sick of people like you saying oh my God the South is the only region in Western democracy where poor black folks are trodden under. You spent your time in the South with the Army so that makes you an expert. I have been pulled over more times than I can count. Must be the Jew in me.

Police Blotter: Woman Following Car Burglar Faces Crow Bar
posted June 26, 2007

A woman who began following a car burglar said he suddenly stopped on Igou Gap Road and came after her with a crow bar.

The incident began when another woman was dining at Big River Grille near Hamilton Place Mall.

While she was away from her car, a man broke out a window and took a CD player, 100 CDs and a heating and air conditioning unit.

Another woman said she saw a white male standing by the vehicle. He then sped off and she started following his dark blue Toyota with a Tennessee tag.

Then he stopped, got out and came toward her with the crow bar. She was able to back away as he was trying to get in her car door.

Leonardo Diaz said he was at his McCallie Avenue apartment around 10:30 p.m. when he was awakened by a noise.

He found a black male inside making off with his black leather wallet, Tennessee ID and Cricket cell phone.

He said his roommate had left earlier and apparently did not lock the door.

Jonathan Maldonado and Jose Jurez said they were on S. Holly Street when three black males approached. One armed with a silver semi-automatic handgun demanded money. He put the gun to the head of Mr. Maldonado.

Mr. Maldonado said he began walking toward his house and shoved his wallet through a vent under the house.

The gun fired a shot in the air, then the trio left. Mr. Maldonado ran into his house.

The three robbers were described as skinny and in their teens. They were wearing black shorts, white T-shirts and red bandanas.

A man named Angel said when he pulled into his driveway on Bennett Avenue he was confronted by two black males in black shorts and white T-shirts.

Angel said they produced a gun and demanded money. He said he told them he does not speak English and could not understand what they were asking. He then went inside his house and they left.

Caroline Edwards said someone broke into an assisted living house on Cumberland Street. She said she didn't hear the burglar.

She is missing her purse with $200 cash, and a VCR and PCP were also taken.

Robert Gates said he was driving on Market Street when he saw his two former brothers-in-law walking. He said he stopped and offered them a ride.

He said he drove a short distance when Jerome Ransom hit him in the face with a closed fist. He said Kelvin Ellison held him in a chokehold from behind while Ransom continued to hit him.

He said they tried to get his wallet and continued to do so after he was able to get outside of his vehicle. He said the pair took off when a security guard came up and yelled at the assailants.

Warrants were taken against Ransom and Ellison for attempted aggravated robbery.

Police said Mr. Gates had severe swelling of his right jaw and numerous abrasions on his upper body. He was taken to the Erlanger emergency room.

Desirae Goff said she was at a residence on Bailey Avenue when Henry Louis Stewart grabbed her and put a steak knife to her throat.

She said he then cut open her shirt because he knew she keeps money in her bra. She said he reached in the bra and took $280.

Police said Ms. Goff was at the residence to buy crack and Stewart sometimes pays her for ***.

Officers said a taxi driver witnessed the attack on Ms. Goff.

Stewart, 66, was charged with aggravated robbery.

Police said Crystal Davis, 40, tried to hide the steak knife. She was charged with aggravated robbery and tampering with evidence. http://chattanoogan.com/articles/article_109402.asp
Minorites are majorities in jail for the reasons above. Along with plenty of white trash. Parents and the micro-culture breed crime in minority populations. Take your color coding and trash it and admit that man is an evil creature of many colors.:bash:

[Violet Fashion by Mindy]

The female was 15 and since she cannot give consent, by GA law, she is a victim and not chargeable.

But the kid was 15 himself. For all we know she was the one that "offered" the BJ.

[perdurabo]

But the kid was 15 himself. For all we know she was the one that "offered" the BJ.
he was 17, and there was a girl that acused him of rape erlier...

[Calanen]

he was 17, and there was a girl that acused him of rape erlier...

Not relevant on sentence. Only if he had been convicted of this would it matter. If its just an accusation, its meaningless on sentence. And for good reason.

[Breakfast in Vegas]

Prosecutor is black.

The convicted is black.

The victim is white.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilson_v._State_of_Georgia

Black on black from what I read. Rampant silliness in Georgia.