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ronnieraygun
06-13-2007, 07:40 PM
There are a lot of interesting facts about small skirmishes and operations in Greenland during WW2. Most of this seems to revolve around German weather teams sent to collect data.

Here are some interesting facts and histories. For purposes of this post, I will include information about Spitsbergen, as well.






Weather War


By Cdr. Carl O. Schuster, USN


Page 1


The Need
The growing importance of airpowerin World War II, combined with its sensitivity to weather, led to an ever greater military reliance on accurate forecasts. Knowing if and when your airfields, your enemy's airfields, or the target area would be "socked in" by bad weather was of vital concern to the combat commanders of that war.
As much an art as it is a science, predicting the weather is dependent on the accurate tracking of weather phenomena, particularly storm fronts, from the areas where they originate. In the North Atlantic and Transalpine Europe, that means gathering weather data in Greenland, the Norwegian Sea, and the arctic regions of Norway itself. Though meteorologists of the 1940shad none of the weather tracking satellites which make that job so much simpler today, they were still able to generate usably accurate forecasts for northern Europe as much as 72 hours in advance - as long as they could get the data they needed from those regions.
The need for that data gave birth to one of the most interesting and unique campaigns of the Second World War, the so-called "Weather War." Although it was not a war of major commands and large numbers of troops, ships, or aircraft, it had an important impact on the fighting in the Atlantic and European Theaters. It was the weather data secured by this campaign which enabled the planning and execution of such critical operations as the Germans' "Channel Dash," the Battle of the Bulge, the Allied landings at Dieppe and Normandy, and the entire strategic bombing campaign against the Third Reich.

The Weather War was fought with great stealth, audacity and innovation. Losses were proportionately heavy, and in the end, the Germans had to turn to technology to try to obtain that which they could not gain on the battlefield. Interestingly, a German weather unit, Group Haudegen, was the last Axis force to surrender to the Western Allies in Europe, on 9 September 1945.

The Weather War Begins

The Weather War began with the German invasion of Denmark and Norway in April 1940. Prior to that, those nations' allowedtheir arctic weather stations to report the weather in the clear (uncoded) so all countries could copy and use the information. Germany's occupation of much of Scandinavia gave Berlin a monopoly over arctic weather data - a development the Allies could not allow.

The British, in fact, began planning to seize the weather stations even as the campaign for Norway progressed. Of course, the Germans had plans for those same stations, but Allied maritime supremacy, coupled with the unexpectedly high German naval losses in the Norwegian invasion, allowed Britain to score the first successes. But the weather itself proved the most serious obstacle to the start of the Weather War's operations, delaying thefirst moves until August. In fact, throughout the Weather War, both sides found the elements a more formidable foe than the enemy.
The Germans were the first to dispatch a ship, the ex-Norwegian whaler Furenak. It carried a four-man meteorological party to eastern Greenland, but they were captured soon after landing. Most of the German ships sent to seize other weather stations were also captured or destroyed. Only the weather ship Sachsen managed to avoid capture, despite transmitting hundreds of reports from around Iceland for almost 76 days. Its relief ship, though, was intercepted in October by a British task force headed by the battlecruiserRepulse.
Meanwhile, Germany relied on weather reports based on flights made by Wetterstaffeln V (Weather Squadron 5), operating out of Trondheim and Banak, Norway. Using specially configured He-l 11 and Ju-88aircraft, the squadron made twice-daily flights across the Norwegian and Greenland Seas, often reaching out as far west as Greenland, north to Spitzbergen, and east to Novaya Zemlya. The planes' reporting was not as reliable as that from permanent stations however, since the bad weather often precluded flight activity.
The first weather station the British seized was on Jan Mayan Island in the Greenland Sea. Designated "Island V for security purposes, the station there collected data that would help predict weather all over the North Atlantic. Unfortunately, a sudden storm sank the British transport ship, stranding the weather party on the island without supplies. That group soon had to be evacuated, and the station and all its equipment destroyed.
The British attempted to reoccupy the island in October, but again, bad weather forced them to pull out. After that, Jan Mayan Island remained empty until the spring of 1941. During that period, though, the British did succeed in taking all the weather stations in eastern Greenland and on Bear Island.
The horrific northern winter of 1940-41 forced a nearly complete three-month hiatus on both sides' arctic activities. Both were forced to rely on sporadic aerial weather flights, which the Germans also supplemented by having U-boatsconduct weather reporting once they had run out of torpedoes.
Spring saw a renewal in operations, as both sides began preparations for a return. The Germans were the first to move, positioning the weathershipMiinchennorth of Iceland in February 1941. The British moved back on to Jan Mayan in March, rebuilding the weather station and slowly building defensive positions. The Germans conducted their first air attack on that station one month later, but inflicted no damage. April also saw the Germans land an He-111 weather aircraft on SpitzbergenIsland, where they left some supplies and firefighting equipment for the local inhabitants, while also surveying for additional landing sites.


May saw the momentum shift against the Germans. First, the United States signed a security agreement with Greenland, pledging to protect the latter's coastal waters and territory from outside interference. Within weeks of that signing, the U.S. Coast Guard had captured two German weather parties en route to Greenland. Greenland also established its own army (26 men - the smallest to fight in WWII), and began patrols along its eastern coastline.
The U.S. then replaced Great Britain as the occupying power on Iceland, which declared its independence from Denmark. The British were thus freed to patrol the open ocean of the Greenland Sea, and they scored a major coup almost immediately, finally capturing the Mfinchen -complete with its enigma encoding machine with surface ship broadcast settings intact. That capture, along with that of U-110 only two days later, gave the Allies their first real successes in breaking the German naval codes. Then a second weather ship, the Laurenberg, along with its codes was also taken two weeks later. The Allies were thus able to read Germany's U-boatand surface ship codes well into February 1942.

Operation Gauntlet and After
The next major Allied military operation in the Weather War was code named"Operation Gauntlet." This was the seizure, evacuation and destruction of facilities on SpitzbergenIsland. Led by Admiral Sir Phillip Vian, aboard the cruiser HMSNigeria, the move was conducted by a five-ship British task group. Vianand his warships escorted the passenger liner Empress Canada to the island, where they were to embark and evacuate its entire population of 3,200 Norwegian and Soviet coal miners and officials.

Arriving on 25 August 1941, the group proceeded quickly with the mission, despite the Soviet Consul's reluctance to leave without specific orders from Moscow. The weather station was also taken without resistance (its Norwegian staff welcomed the Allies). Then, in a successful ploy to deter the Germans from flying over the island, they began transmitting fake weather reports indicating low cloud cover and fog hung over Spitzbergen.

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The last civilians were evacuated by nightfall, and British demolition teams went to work. Over the next six days, they systematically destroyed all facilities that might be of use to the Germans. The coal mine entrances were blocked, coal stocks set ablaze, and as a final act, the weather, radio and power stations were demolished as the ships withdrew southward. As an added bonus, three German coal ships were captured as they approached the island that evening. The operation was concluded by 2 September, and the Soviet citizens were repatriated at Archangelskthree days later.

It took the Germans three more days to discover what had happened on Spitzbergen. They reacted by landing a ten-man Luftwaffe meteorological team on the island's northeastern face. Despite the bad weather and periodic Royal Navy patrols around the island, the Germans were able to expand the runway and fly in nearly four tons of supplies over the next month. By 11 November, they had two remote stations and a primary site operating.



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ronnieraygun
06-13-2007, 07:40 PM
Those stations, combined with the re-porting by the weather ship Sachsen, in Greenland waters, provided Berlin with the accurate data needed to plan submarine "Wolfpack"operations and the audacious "Channel Dash" of the battlecruisers Scharnhorstand Gneisenau.

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Uncertain of the new German locations on Spitzbergenand around Greenland, the Allies conducted aggressive aerial and sea patrols throughout those areas. A company of Free Norwegian ski troops was landed on Spitzbergenin May 1942. Caught by German Fw-200 Condors while unloading, the Norwegians lost both their transports; their commander, a Capt. Sverdrup, was killed and several other men were wounded. But most significantly, the unit's only radio was destroyed. What followed on Spitzbergenwas a game of cat and mouse, as the Norwegian patrols searched for the German weathermen, while Luftwaffe bombers sought out and attacked the patrollers.

The Allies landed more supplies and meteorological equipment in June, but were still unable to find and destroy the German weather party. On 15 July, they returned with a full battalion of troops, supported by two cruisers and four destroyers. The Germans spotted that landing force, however, and managed to evacuate before being located. Germany still continued to receive weather data throughout that summer; its team had left an automated weather station hidden on the island.
The German navy returned to Spitzbergenin the fall and secretly landed a six-man party on the island's northeast corner on 25 October. The Allies were never able to track down that party, and their station remained in operation through the spring of 1943. Another ten Germans and a ton of equipment were brought in by U-boat in November. Additional supplies and logistics support came via other submarines or were para-dropped.
The Germans also managed to smuggle two weather parties into eastern Greenland in August 1942. Codenamed "Operation Holzauge," the weathermen wintered in northern Greenland and also managed to stay unlocated until March 1943. Numbering 27, they had a brief encounter with a Greenland army patrol that month, killing its leader and capturing 2 others. One patrol member escaped, though, and made a 600 mile trek across the ice to report the Germans' location. The Allies struck back in late May, launching a B-24 raid, which completely destroyed the German station. The surviving Germans then scuttled their supply ship, the Sachsen, and evacuated by seaplane in mid-June. But, almost as a show of resolution that they were not giving up, they took their Danish sled dogs with them to help establish an arctic training center in Bavaria.
Both sides then began to step up their efforts. The Allies recognized their greatest problem was in locating the German weather stations. Sleigh patrols and offshore cruising had not proved effective, so they established radio direction finding (DF)stations on Iceland and Jan Mayen lsland. DF-equippedships were also added to the Greenlandpatrol groups, in the hope of pinning down the locations of any German stations there.
The Germans, meanwhile, added a security element of 4 ski-troops to their weather teams, and also gave military training to those groups' scientific specialists. They also accelerated their research on improving remote, unmanned weather stations.
Operation Zitronella
In mid-1943, Hitler began to take an interest in the Weather War. Frustrated by the inactivity of his navy's major surface ships, he asked if they couldn't be usedto do something about the Allied presence on Spitzbergen. The result was "Operation Zitronella," an amphibious raid on that island.
Supported by the battleship Tirpitz, the battlecruiser Scharnhorst, and nine destroyers, the plan called for landing an entire infantry battalion. They approached the main settlement at dawn on 7 September, quickly suppressed the Free Norwegian battery of 3-inchguns there, and began to land troops at the main pier. The entire operation was completed in four hours.
On the debit side, German fire coordination was poor, with the battleship at one point shelling their own infantry, and much of the Norwegian garrison managed to escape in the confusion. The Germans did manage to capture the garrison commander, though, along with most of his files. All the facilities, including the weather stations, were destroyed.

ronnieraygun
06-13-2007, 07:41 PM
Still the Germans had to withdraw against almost immediately. For Adm. Donitz, head of the German navy, knew, even if Hitler did not, the island could not be held in the face of overall Allied maritime supremacy. The task force returned to occupied Norway on 8 September, and the Allies were back on Spitzbergen, with a new weather station and garrison, one month after that.
Operation Zitronella remains significant in that it marked the only time the Battleship Tirpitz fired her main batteries in a surface engagement. It was also the German navy's last major fleet operation outside the Baltic Sea area.
But Germany also managed to land several of her own weather parties that month as well. The Luftwaffe used Zitronella as cover, allowing them to land a team unseen on nearby Hope Island. The trawler Kehdingen also delivered a team to Franz Josef Land on 15 September, and the trawler Cobura did the same, under the codename "Bassgeiger," in northern Greenland. All of those groups remained on station until mid-1944.
Finale
The Allies remained ignorant of the German weather station on Hope Island until winter had set in. By then the weather had become so uniformly bad it precluded their doing anything about it. The same was true about the new stations in Greenland.
Spring eventually comes, though, even in the arctic, and by mid-June 1944, the Allies had again forced the Germans out of Greenland and the U.S. Coast Guard intercepted their replacements. But the"Bassgeiger" group was able to hide an automated station on Greenland before departing, and the meteorologists on Franz Josef Land did the same there.
Those stations were deficient, however, in that they couldn't report "ballistic" (high altitude) winds - a vital kind of data for airstrike (and air defense) planners. Moreover, Germany's weather planes could not reach Greenland's northeastern comer. Berlin therefore exercised its only remaining option, and dispatched a weather ship into those waters.
The icebreaker Wuppertal was chosen, and she left Tromso in August 1944, with a 12-man weather party on board. The ship moved west of Spitzbergen in September, sending twice-daily reports as it passed by. A U-boat then landed still another party on northeastern Spitzbergen, giving Germany its best observations from the region since 1940.

The operation ended in tragedy for the Wuppertal and her crew; they were operating too far north too late in the year. The ship became ice bound 120 nautical miles south of the North Pole during the first week of October. Its weather reports ceased a month later, and neither the ship or the crew has ever been found.
The loss of the Wuppertal left Germany with only one manned weather station active - Group Haudegen, another navalunit off Spitzbergen's northeast. This forced Berlin to rely more and more on the inadequate remote stations. The last version consisted of submerged buoys laid by U-boats. The buoys surfaced twice each day to record data and transmit for about an hour before resubmerging again. Advertised to have a nine-month life, those buoys were testimony to the technological prowess of the Germans; several were still operating in 1946.

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ronnieraygun
06-13-2007, 07:42 PM
from the USCG:



COAST GUARD MAKES THE FIRST CAPTURE OF WWII
by Dr. Robert M. Browning Jr.


(USS Northland, CG, in Greenland)


Contrary to popular belief, Pearl Harbor was not the first military action of the United States armed forces during World War II. American involvement in Greenland, months before Pearl Harbor, led to this country's initial wartime capture by the Coast Guard cutter Northland.
In April 1941, the Coast Guard had been tasked informally with patrolling the waters around Greenland. At this time, the Battle of the Atlantic had raged for over eighteen months. Convoys steaming to and from the British Isles carried vital wartime materials. Merchant shipping had suffered tremendous losses from German submarines that prowled the western approaches to the European Continent. The United States sought to prevent war from spilling into its waters and to protect neutral shipping.
Greenland became a pivotal territory principally because the Germans sent teams of men there and began using this vast island to send weather reports that aided their submarine's attacks on merchant shipping, and sent advance weather information to their surface vessels and air force.
President Franklin Roosevelt directed Admiral Harold Stark, Chief of Naval Operations, to maintain a patrol off Greenland's east coast which the admiral tasked the Coast Guard to perform. The sinking of the German battleship Bismarck in May, hastened the official formation of the Greenland Patrol on 1 June 1941. Just over a week later the United States signed an agreement with the Danish Government to defend Greenland against invasion. The island was essential to the defense of the Western Hemisphere, and Denmark granted the United States the right to build and operate defense installations.
To maintain this defensive responsibility the Coast Guard, with long years of Arctic service, provided the initial vessels for the patrol. The cutters Northland, Bear, and North Star were assigned to keep the northeastern portion of Greenland under surveillance. Commander Edward H. "Iceberg" Smith commanded the newly formed Northeast Greenland Patrol. Smith received orders to do much with little. He was to convoy U.S. Army transports, ore carrying vessels and supply ships, break ice for them if necessary, continue hydrographic surveying, maintain communications between the U.S. and Greenland government posts, rescue survivors of submarine attacks, maintain air and surface patrols, construct and maintain aids to navigation, bring supplies to small Danish settlements and Eskimos, and discover and destroy enemy weather and radio stations in Greenland.
During the summer of 1941, the vessels of the Greenland Patrol faithfully performed the many missions assigned. The United States meanwhile inched closer to war in Europe. In July, the Danish defense agreement having worked so well, the United States signed a similar defensive agreement with Iceland to prevent its seizure by German forces. Shortly afterwards, the island was occupied by American troops. On 11 September, after the destroyer Greer was attacked while on patrol off Iceland, President Roosevelt issued his "shoot on sight" order to U.S. Naval forces. The same day, by Executive Order, portions of the Coast Guard began operating as part of the Navy.
The day following the Presidential "shoot on sight" warning, Commander Smith, in the cutter North Star, acting on a tip from a dog-team patrol, sent the Northland to investigate a fishing vessel which had reportedly landed a party in a fjord. The Northland, a 2,065 ton cruising cutter, had been fitted with depth charges and a reconnaissance seaplane for arctic duty. The skipper of the Northland, Commander Carl C. von Paulsen followed the vessel into McKenzie Bay and sent a boarding team over for inspection. The Coast Guardsmen found twenty-seven persons on the Norwegian sealer identified as the Buskoe. At this stage of the war, Norwegians were considered suspicious and were routinely stopped and questioned by the Coast Guard since Germany had invaded Norway in April.
The Danish hunters and Norwegian trappers on board all claimed to be on a fishing and hunting expedition. The boarding party brought the master of the Norwegian fishing trawler Buskoe back to the Northland for questioning. Returning to the Buskoe the Coast Guard boarding team found that the vessel was equipped with a radio transmitter and receiver, but also had a portable receiver and transmitter--proof that the ship was servicing German radio stations. More intense questioning revealed that some men with radio equipment had been dropped off earlier several hundred miles from their present position.
After placing a prize crew on board the Buskoe, Commander von Paulsen got the Northland underway and went in search of the radio base. After steaming for twenty-four hours the Northland anchored in a fjord about five miles from the suspected location of the radio site. A landing party took a small boat to within a mile of the station and then traversed over the icy terrain in total darkness. Finding a shack, the Coast Guardsmen surrounded it and then Lieutenant Leroy McCluskey kicked in the door. Rushing in, the Coast Guard arctic commandos captured three Norwegians, one under German orders, their radio gear, confidential instructions and codes. The men were taken into custody as illegal immigrants since the United States had not declared war on Germany.
The first military capture of World War II has largely been forgotten over the years. But the fact remains, United States Coast Guard forces, in a foreign land, captured a party of men operating with the Germans three months before war was declared. This was an extremely bold action and a sample of the role that the Coast Guard would play in this nation's largest war.

ronnieraygun
06-13-2007, 07:45 PM
Wiki:

The History of Greenland during World War 2 reflected the fate of the Danish motherland. After the Invasion of Denmark in 1940 its colony Greenland was left on its own. Britain was too busy to send military forces to protect Greenland and the United States was still neutral. The Greenland Governor Eske Brun declared Greenland an independent country believing this to be in the best interests of the colony as Denmark was occupied by the Germans. If declarations of war were not so out of fashion, Eske Brun would have felt inclined to declare war on Germany.
Germany had occupied Denmark in 1940 and although the Danish king was still in power he was heavily influenced by the Germany occupation force. After failed attempts by the new Greenland government to secure support from the United Kingdom, they turned to the USA. On 9 April 1941 the Danish ambassador Henrik Kauffmann against the instructions of his government signed an agreement with the US government, allowing the presence of American troops and making Greenland a de facto US protectorate. The United States supplied the island and sent patrol boats to survey the east coast of Greenland although this was limited by the ice and bad weather. Eske Brun, reluctant to ask America for large scale help, set about creating a "Greenland Army" known as the North-East Greenland Sledge Patrol, consisting of fifteen men. Their task was to patrol the coast line to discover a possible German landing.
Several times the Germans tried to establish weather stations on the eastern coast of the island as this would provide them with invaluable meteorological information both to assist their U-boat campaign and to predict the weather situation in the European theatre. A few skirmishes took place between the Sledge Patrol and the Germans during the war, resulting in a final German withdrawal from Greenland. In the spring of 1943 and the summer and autumn of 1944 base construction was reported; all these attempts were thwarted by American military action. At the very first discovery in 1943 a German officer was taken prisoner by the Sledge Patrol and taken to the Americans after a long journey over the ice.
The Allies used weather data gathered from Greenland to plan the Invasion of Normandy in 1944.

ronnieraygun
06-13-2007, 07:54 PM
There is also some great info on eastgreenland.com in .pdf format that has some little known facts about small engagements.

ronnieraygun
06-13-2007, 08:06 PM
http://www.uscg.mil/history/Externsteine.html

http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USA/USA-WH-Guard/USA-WH-Guard-17.html

The Exernsteine, captured German vessel


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ronnieraygun
06-13-2007, 08:09 PM
Here is a page that deals with explorations but touches on some of the military activity here during WW2 (be warned, it is a buggy page):


http://www.eastgreenland.com/filer/2005-01_Exploration_history_East_Greenland.pdf (http://www.eastgreenland.com/filer/2005-01_Exploration_history_East_Greenland.pdf)

ronnieraygun
06-13-2007, 08:12 PM
http://www.uscg.mil/history/gifs/WWII_GP_Eastwind_1.jpg


http://www.uscg.mil/history/gifs/WWII_GP_POW_1.jpg

http://www.uscg.mil/history/gifs/WWII_GP_POW_3.jpg

ronnieraygun
06-13-2007, 08:13 PM
http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USA/USA-WH-Guard/img/USA-WH-Guard-p450.jpg

ronnieraygun
06-13-2007, 08:14 PM
http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USA/USA-WH-Guard/img/USA-WH-Guard-p446.jpg

Mablod
06-14-2007, 08:37 AM
Thank you, interesting history.

More about Operation Sizilien(Zitronella) from www.bismarck-class.dk (http://www.bismarck-class.dk).

240 kilometer (150 miles) north of Bear Island and 640 kilometer (400 miles) north of Kåfjord and North Cape, the most northerly point of Norway and the Continent of Europe, is South Cape, the most southerly point of the island of Spitzbergen. A bleak island which before the war had some 3,000 inhabitants, Norwegian and Russian, whose livelihood had been coal mining, its inhabitants had been evacuated by the Allies in August 1941 and the mines smashed. A month later the Germans had set up a weather reporting station on the island. A rival Norwegian station had been established in the summer of 1942 and the Germans had been forced to evacuate their weathermen by submarine.

On 6 September 1943 squadron consisting of Tirpitz, Scharnhorst and 9 destroyers (Erich Steinbrinck, Karl Galster, Hans Lody, Theodor Riedel, Z27, Z29, Z30, Z31, Z33) weighed anchor in Altenfjord and Kåfjord and headed for Spitzbergen. The objective was to attack the enemy base on Spitzbergen. The mission was codenamed Operation "Sizilien". At dawn on 8 September 1943 Tirpitz and Scharnhorst opened fire with their main armament against the two 3 in guns which comprised the defences of Barentsburg and the destroyers ran inshore with landing parties. Before noon it was all over. Some prisoners had been taken, a supply dump destroyed, the wireless station wrecked and the landing parties had returned on board. The German ships returned safely to Altenfjord and Kåfjord 9 September 1943 at 1730 . For the only time in her existence Tirpitz had fired her main armament offensively at low trajectory. Although those on board were not to know it, Tirpitz had carried out her last operation. In the 14 months remaining to her, she was to be nothing but a target for attack.
http://www.bismarck-class.dk/tirpitz/gallery/pictures/galltiropersizilien/galltiropersizilien01.jpg
This photograph shows Scharnhorst (left) and Tirpitz (right) prior in March/July 1943 during their sea trials before the operation "Sizilien". Tirpitz changed her paint scheme before Operation "Sizilien".


http://www.bismarck-class.dk/tirpitz/gallery/pictures/galltiropersizilien/galltiropersizilien02.jpg
This photograph, taken from Tirpitz, shows Spitsbergen during the attack 8 September 1943.

http://www.bismarck-class.dk/tirpitz/gallery/pictures/galltiropersizilien/galltiropersizilien03.jpg

http://www.bismarck-class.dk/tirpitz/gallery/pictures/galltiropersizilien/galltiropersizilien04.jpg
8 September 1943: Operation "Sizilien", the deployment of a powerful German naval force against Spitsbergen. The burning Barentsburg is seen from Tirpitz's foredeck.

retrobob
06-14-2007, 11:34 AM
Fascinating stuff Gents,many thanks.

Marmot1
06-14-2007, 02:54 PM
Great reading, thanx for posting...

So smallest armies in WW@ were "Grenland Army" - 15men (1KIA, 2 POW) , just after Iceland army - 26 men (2 KIA, 4 WIA)

Canuck Farrier
06-14-2007, 09:17 PM
very interesting stuff thanks alot.There are so many untold stories and facts of WW2 you could spend ur whole life reading them.p-)

Flounder
06-15-2007, 03:34 PM
The Germans even had one of their remote weather stations set up in Labrador!

http://uboat.net/ops/weather_stations.htm

Kingswat
06-16-2007, 12:42 PM
Great thread, thanks.

Karo
06-16-2007, 12:55 PM
German weather stations

http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/5728/wetterstationentn1.jpg

Labud
06-16-2007, 01:57 PM
I like threads like this, about non-popular things where you can learn something new.