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Hessian
06-14-2007, 04:34 AM
Germany: Anger Over U.S. Lawmaker’s Remark on Schröder
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By MARK LANDLER
Published: June 14, 2007
German officials heatedly protested remarks made by Representative Tom Lantos, a Democrat of California who is chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, in which he described former Chancellor Gerhard Schröder as a “political prostitute” for taking a job with a Russian state gas company. The government spokesman, Ulrich Wilhelm, said the comment, made in a speech at the dedication ceremony for a victims of Communism memorial in Washington on Tuesday, was “unseemly.” The foreign minister, Frank-Walter Steinmeier, said it had breached the bounds of decorum and was a “discredit” to Mr. Lantos. Mr. Schröder has been criticized within Germany for his new job, overseeing a pipeline project.
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Navor
06-14-2007, 04:37 AM
Why Anger?
I mean its the truth
The Amount of Insider Knowledge that Schröder has is not very good for fair buisness.
markjh
06-14-2007, 05:03 AM
But consider this - one could argue that Mr. Lantos' words are a bit harsh. They certainly weren't terribly diplomatic. But then, how would the German and US media react if George W. Bush made a billion dollar pipeline deal with - say - a major energy player like Exxon or LukOil towards the end of his second term and then accepted a lucrative position at the same company just three weeks after leaving office? Would the rhetoric be any softer than that of Mr. Lantos?
Think about it...
http://medienkritik.typepad.com/blog/2007/06/democrat_tom_la.html
Really, think about it ;)
HAHA! He's jelous that Schröder got a good job.
AlterMega
06-14-2007, 05:34 AM
i cant stand politicians,but its about time Europe was on the receiving end.
what goes around comes around.
have a cry.
theholeinthedonut
06-14-2007, 07:54 AM
Just my personal two cents: Schröder was the worst thing that happened to Germany since the "kleine Gefreiter" with the funny mustachio, just as Chirac was the worst that happened to France since Pétain.
Macs.
06-14-2007, 08:35 AM
Schröder was a horrible big-mouthed loser, is one, and will always be one.
Gfunk
06-14-2007, 10:42 AM
as the line between government and the private sector continues to blur...
in which he described former Chancellor Gerhard Schröder as a “political prostitute”
Despite the fact that he is right altogether, I wonder why the life of a fomer chancellor should be the business of a US foreign affairs board...
Freibier
06-14-2007, 11:59 AM
This Lantos guy is a bloody ill mannered wanker, imho
Even uxorious Schröder fans like you must admit that his actions concerning the pipeline project were very questionable and hardly sincere. In 2005, he knew he would be deselected soon so he quickly signed a billion-worth contract for the Baltic Sea Pipeline and kept secret that a well-paid assignment in the advisory board was offered to him for the time after his political career. It doesn't matter how you think about Schröder, that's not honest behaviour.
I can only repeat wonderment why Schröder should be the on the order of day of an US committee, but I think beyond doubt Lantos is right.
Laworkerbee
06-14-2007, 01:50 PM
This Lantos guy is a bloody ill mannered wanker, imho
He is, but I don't mind some mud being slung back across the Atlantic either.
tsuri
06-14-2007, 02:02 PM
He can say it but that does not make the whole thing unusual. In fact stuff like this happens quite a lot.
I do not think Gazprom Gerd was the best chanchellor we ever had, but he managed to help Germany's energy interests while enabling himself a good pension.
You think I shouldn't begrudge him his post in the advisory board because he ensured that I can keep my stove on running?
That's an interesting point of view...
Schroeder makes Wolfowitz look like Gandhi.
Weasel
06-14-2007, 03:38 PM
Schröder was a horrible big-mouthed loser, is one, and will always be one.
I would like to be a loser with his income.
Macs.
06-14-2007, 03:42 PM
I would like to be a loser with his income.
Pff, if I was a loser (aka Politican) I would rather try to get into the VW-Management. p-)
Weasel
06-14-2007, 03:48 PM
Pff, if I was a loser (aka Politican) I would rather try to get into the VW-Management. p-)
It may be more profitable but you end in prison more easily. Schröder is well protected by the russian cosa nostra. He´s untouchable. p-)
alfigel
06-14-2007, 04:08 PM
Pff, if I was a loser (aka Politican) I would rather try to get into the VW-Management. p-)
Management? Works council! They were the ones with the "pleasure trips" to Czechia!
Management? Works council! They were the ones with the "pleasure trips" to Czechia!
Not Czech Republic, even better: Brazil and Thailand!
But at the moment we have a much larger corruption scandal in the state of Saxony in which the culprits even had a better taste than VW and Schröder could ever have: On regular basis, they ordered dozens of prostitutes into the town hall of Leipzig and additionally produced Child ****ography - what meant they not even had to bother themselves with abroad trips. And to prevent the uncovering of their funny games in some time, they invited politicians, judges, prosecutors and high police officers to join them...The domestic intelligence service of Saxony illegally investigated against this Mafia-like structure, otherwise the network which already has let two witnesses "disappear" never would have been uncovered...sounds like a bad movie, huh? And I even did not mention the best fact yet: After the Intelligence Service had finished it's report, they were ordered to delete all their files "since they had filled them with illegal techniques" of investigation.
Only when DER SPIEGEL got to know about this, they made a huge disclosure article. Result: The federal prosecutor started investigations and independent judges from other states were sent to Saxony. The masterminds of the network aren't uncovered yet.
Schroeder makes Wolfowitz look like Gandhi.
roflBest comment for a long while!
A former PM that instantly starts receiving paychecks from a foreign power after leaving office is very... rare. Schröder sold his ass to the russians - but did he do it before or after he quit his job?
He did not break the law in that aspect that he clearly did not take money from Gazprom when he still was Chancellor. But he already knew that he would get the advisory board post when he signed the Baltic Sea pipeline contract.
Sergei
06-15-2007, 04:20 AM
A former PM that instantly starts receiving paychecks from a foreign power after leaving office is very... rare. Schröder sold his ass to the russians - but did he do it before or after he quit his job?
Is that a bad thing that a politician starts a commercial career after his political retirement?
How about you Cheney yourself?
alfigel
06-15-2007, 05:18 AM
Is that a bad thing that a politician starts a commercial career after his political retirement?
Well, it didn't look too good when Schröder, as Chancellor, made deals with Gazprom for building new pipelines from Russia to Germany, and then a few months later, he started working for Gazprom himself. Not illegal under German law, but still considered unethical by some people.
But honestly, what did you expect from a man who called Putin "a good friend", with pictures like these?
http://www.dmko.info/putinparty.jpg
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/images/putin_schroeder300pa.jpg
http://newsfromrussia.com/images/newsline/Putin_and_Schroeder.jpg
Judging from his generally friendly attitude towards Russia and Putin, especially at the end of his term in office, I think it was pretty clear that he would get a job in some company where he can use the good political connections he had built up.
tluassa
06-15-2007, 07:04 AM
He also adopted 2 children from Russia. Putin speaks fluent German ...
But ... no American Politician should open their mouth, considering whats going on on their side. At least Schröder didnt BUY his office.
Switek
06-15-2007, 07:16 AM
...
But ... no American Politician should open their mouth, considering whats going on on their side. At least Schröder didnt BUY his office.
cough, cough .... hm, o'rly?
Pff, if I was a loser (aka Politican) I would rather try to get into the VW-Management. p-)
Pssst... Why do you think we still have no obligatory Speed limit in Germany? Just as Audi Gerd, lots of other Politicos are like this (http://www.fotosearch.de/comp/CSK/CSK006/pr26034.jpg) with the auto industry.
Nothing to see here. Move on, people!
http://www.deeperwants.com/cul1/homeworlds/journal/archives/photos/muhammedsaeedalsahaf.jpg
oops...
http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/6717/aktuelltn0.jpg
http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/6717/aktuelltn0.th.jpg (http://img520.imageshack.us/my.php?image=aktuelltn0.jpg)
cough, cough .... hm, o'rly?
Well that's not true either.
Only his victory in the elections was quite long at stake, but at last he won with approximately 5000 votes ahead of his competitor in 2002...
Switek
06-15-2007, 07:41 AM
Well that's not true either.
Only his victory in the elections was quite long at stake, but at last he won with approximately 5000 votes ahead of his competitor in 2002...
Sure I did exaggerate. But he crated his office for, partly your taxpayers, money...
Wodan
06-15-2007, 09:17 AM
funny how some american politican
insults a former leader and doesn't even get punished
when our development minister compared bush with some other historical person, she got fired..
but this guy can go on..
and what makes me more sick is: americans, insetad of apologizing or agreeing that it sucks, say "well. schroeder was blah blah"
but nothing is a reason to insult someone like this, especially as diplomat!!!!
Vandervahn
06-15-2007, 09:20 AM
Sure I did exaggerate. But he crated his office for, partly your taxpayers, money...
But not at the expense of the tax payer. The construction of the pipeline was sensible for Germany.
As to alfigels comment about calling Putin a "good friend", he sure was not the only high-ranking politician to praise Putin... and don´t forget that it all happened BEFORE the gas rows or the Iran/Sudan problems.
Kitsune
06-15-2007, 01:10 PM
For once, I do not feel offended. If you want to say something against Schröder, fire away! :grin:
funny how some american politican
insults a former leader and doesn't even get punished
when our development minister compared bush with some other historical person, she got fired..
but this guy can go on..
and what makes me more sick is: americans, insetad of apologizing or agreeing that it sucks, say "well. schroeder was blah blah"
but nothing is a reason to insult someone like this, especially as diplomat!!!!
The remarks were made by Rep. Tom Lantos, a Democrat from California.
Who's going to fire him? Only the voters of his district have that authority.
Anyway, I agree with him.
Lt-Col A. Tack
06-15-2007, 01:44 PM
when our development minister compared bush with some other historical person, she got fired..Comparing a American president to Hitler goes is outrageous; she received what she deserved.
and what makes me more sick is: americans, insetad of apologizing or agreeing that it sucks, say "well. schroeder was blah blah"
Why would we apologize for that?
@Wodan: Why do you come up with this old story? (Bush, hitler, blah blah) :roll:
That politician may be some whacko, but who cares? He's not so far off. Just for once show some dignity and don't spit back. This angry little dog behaviour gives "us" a bad name.
It's not worth a flamewar. Americans and Germans know that 99% of politicians are closely tied to lobbyists and €$€$€$€. Why getting touchy about it.
Xaito
06-15-2007, 02:07 PM
Even uxorious Schröder fans like you must admit that his actions concerning the pipeline project were very questionable and hardly sincere. In 2005, he knew he would be deselected soon so he quickly signed a billion-worth contract for the Baltic Sea Pipeline and kept secret that a well-paid assignment in the advisory board was offered to him for the time after his political career. It doesn't matter how you think about Schröder, that's not honest behaviour.
I can only repeat wonderment why Schröder should be the on the order of day of an US committee, but I think beyond doubt Lantos is right.
at least he didn't start a war for personal profit. :)
Seriously though - whats the whining about the pipeline?
As long as nobody knew about Schröder's new Job most experts said the pipeline would be good for germany - then when they find out that Schröder will get a job with Gazprom the pipeline has become bad?
Almost all polititians have ties with corporates and of course most work in favour of their relationships and not always the state profits from it.
In this case the deal was good for russia and germany - if somebody thought it was not he should have protested when the deal was made and not after Schröder lost the elections.
Niels
06-15-2007, 02:21 PM
He is, but I don't mind some mud being slung back across the Atlantic either.
If you consider politics a game of insulting eachother, then I'm glad you're not in it.
Laworkerbee
06-15-2007, 02:26 PM
If you consider politics a game of insulting eachother, then I'm glad you're not in it.
You love to dish it out, learn to take it as well Niels.
In other words harden the **** up
Comparing a American president to Hitler goes is outrageous; she received what she deserved.
Why would we apologize for that?
To put Bush in context to Hitler is an insult as well as to libel Schröder a prostitute is an insult. Maybe that could be the reason?
Additionally, you just figured out what the problem is: You ask, why you ('We') should apologize for the remarks of one politician - the same feeling which apparently make many Americans feel insulted as a people when someone says something against their president. That's the point. Why shouldn't 'we' demand a kind of apology?
If you consider politics a game of insulting eachother, then I'm glad you're not in it.
Absolutely right...
Lt-Col A. Tack
06-16-2007, 02:50 PM
To put Bush in context to Hitler is an insult as well as to libel Schröder a prostitute is an insult.
A relatively obscure US legislator referring to a leader as a prostitute is definitely an insult, but for a member of the German government to compare a sitting US president to a villain like Hitler is beyond the pale.
It wasn't even our Development minister p-)
Additionally, I wonder why you did not reply to my whole rant.
Vandervahn
06-16-2007, 03:52 PM
A relatively obscure US legislator referring to a leader as a prostitute is definitely an insult, but for a member of the German government to compare a sitting US president to a villain like Hitler is beyond the pale.
Just to be fair...
The comments of the minister you mentioned were made in a semi-private circumstance (but leaked to the press later), not in a public speech like the "prostitute" comment, and she didnt compare Bush to Hitler, she likened the tactics of the politics of Fear to be known since Monsieur Adolphe.
This has often been misreported by the media (on each side of the pond), and obviously here, too.
Sorry, but about the minister of which country do we talk here? Not the one of Germany at least.
khukuri
06-17-2007, 05:55 PM
as the line between government and the private sector continues to blur...
quoted for the truth
Durandal
06-18-2007, 08:44 AM
funny how some american politican
insults a former leader and doesn't even get punished
when our development minister compared bush with some other historical person, she got fired..
but this guy can go on..
and what makes me more sick is: americans, insetad of apologizing or agreeing that it sucks, say "well. schroeder was blah blah"
but nothing is a reason to insult someone like this, especially as diplomat!!!!
Oh please quit your crying. All of you really. Let's boil it down to what this really is.
You have a politician calling a corporate man a whore.
Who cares.
Lokos
06-18-2007, 09:17 AM
Durandal, without derailing this thread unduly, I spotted the little caption underneath your avatar just now, and having listened to what he has to say, I agree: Ron Paul all the way.
America used to be a great country...
Lokos
Oh please quit your crying. All of you really. Let's boil it down to what this really is.
You have a politician calling a corporate man a whore.
Who cares.
:roll:
That rant could be smoothly expanded. A politician compared a war monger with a war monger.
Who cares.
Durandal
06-18-2007, 09:39 AM
:roll:
That rant could be smoothly expanded. A politician compared a war monger with a war monger.
Who cares.
rofl
You said "monger".
Seriously, you think I am a Bush fan and this a taunt to some how contradict my very TRUE statement?
You going to defend CEOs that make tens of millions why foisting off their company's pension programs on tax payers too?
You go girl!
rofl
You said "monger".
Seriously, you think I am a Bush fan and this a taunt to some how contradict my very TRUE statement?
How do you want to know it was my intention to contradict your statement?
You going to defend CEOs that make tens of millions why foisting off their company's pension programs on tax payers too?
No, or did I?
The only thing I wanted to stress was, that you simply discount the idea that anger about that remark could be legitimated. I referred my statement to that mentioned foreign minister who got fired because she compared Bush with Hitler.
That's an insult as well, but neither less important nor more serious than the one of that Californian politician that targeted Schröder. And the American anger at least resulted in the loss of her job.
You go girl!
Thanks for the flowers...
Macs.
06-18-2007, 10:05 AM
I referred my statement to that mentioned foreign minister who got fired because she compared Bush with Hitler.
She was with the ministry of justice, and she didn't even wanted to run for the next elections.
Ah damnit, I am too tired-out today. I wanted to write "Development Minister" as mentioned in the first place, but wrote in fact "Foreign Finister" and now it turns out she was the Minister of Justice.
:cantbeli:
He219
06-18-2007, 10:59 AM
Gazprom Gerd ..
lol
http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/1835/8591953dv2.jpg
German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder and Russian President Vladimir Putin, left, brief the media after the signing ceremony of a gas pipeline deal in Berlin, Germany, Thursday, Sept. 8, 2005. The agreement by German companies E.On and BASF and Russia's Gazprom on a Baltic Sea pipline aimed at boosting Russia's gas sales to Europe.
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/3900/8591903st6.jpg
http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/9236/31023391dz8.jpg
Altbundeskanzler Gerhard Schroeder, links, gibt vor einem Ankuendigungsschild fuer die geplante Nordeuropaeische Gaspipeline von Russland nach Deutschland durch die Ostsee im vorpommerschen Lubmin bei Greifswald ein Statement als Aufsichtsratsvorsitzender der North European Gas Pipeline Company (NEGP) am Montag, 04. September 2006. Rechts neben ihm steht NEGP-Geschaeftsfuehrer Matthias Warning. In Lubmin soll die zwischen Deutschland und Polen umstrittene Leitung neben einem stillgelegten Atomkraftwerk in Deutschland ankommen. Former German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder, left, gives a statement to the media in his new job as Chairman of the board of the NEGP company in front of a sign for the planned North European Gas Pipeline (NEGP) from Russia to Germany through the Baltic Sea in the small Pommeranian village of Lubmin near Greifswald Monday, Sept. 4, 2006. Right beside him stands the NEGP managing director Matthias Warning. In Lubmin the pipeline will arrive in Germany. The project of Russian state owned Gazprom group and the German energy companies e.on and BASF is a controversially discussed between Germany and Poland, because it will not pass through Polish territory on it's way from Russia to Germany
http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/5554/30023659jn8.jpg
Former German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder walks in Russian natural gas monopoly Gazprom headquarters in Moscow, Thursday, March 30, 2006. Former German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder on Thursday was awarded a euro 250,000 (US$300,000) salary after being appointed chairman of the consortium building a strategically vital gas pipeline linking Russia's vast reserves with German markets. Letters in Cyrillic read : Gazprom
Frutzel
06-18-2007, 11:33 AM
This is redicilous! Let's take a look at the "political prostitution" connected with the US. There is no need to say more.......
He219
06-18-2007, 12:14 PM
I detect 'Anger' with those remarks ..
:p
0rphie
06-18-2007, 03:17 PM
A relatively obscure US legislator referring to a leader as a prostitute is definitely an insult, but for a member of the German government to compare a sitting US president to a villain like Hitler is beyond the pale.
She was actually right on the money. I would not be much surprised when the current president leaves the office there would be found mass massacres of Iraqi civilians. How many people it takes to kill to be compared to fuehrer?
Laworkerbee
06-18-2007, 04:22 PM
She was actually right on the money. I would not be much surprised when the current president leaves the office there would be found mass massacres of Iraqi civilians. How many people it takes to kill to be compared to fuehrer?
Oh sweet Jesus it just gets better :cantbeli:
Invisigoth
06-18-2007, 06:02 PM
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/3900/8591903st6.jpg
"This is how far away I am from payday!"
Nah, but in all seriousness, Schröder wasn't as bad as people make him out to be. What's next? Praisin' Angie? ;)
maybe if American diplomats and politicans think before opening their mouth, they can score some success in diplomatic field and resurrect fvcked up image of America in the world?
just a thought p-)
Freibier
06-18-2007, 07:01 PM
maybe if American diplomats and politicans think before opening their mouth, they can score some success in diplomatic field and resurrect fvcked up image of America in the world?
just a thought p-)
not a chance and you know it p-)
Merfeller
06-18-2007, 07:11 PM
maybe if American diplomats and politicans think before opening their mouth, they can score some success in diplomatic field and resurrect fvcked up image of America in the world?
just a thought p-)
Ah yes, foot-in-mouth disease only affects American politicians. Give me a break. So what, exactly, was our image before (I presume) Bush? You think it was a friendly, pro-American world? I lived in Europe from Presidents Nixon through Clinton and as far back as I can remember we were always called heavy-handed bullies. I don't foresee that changing, no matter who we elect. We've got One President (+ cabinet), 100 Senators, and 435 Representatives. And that's just on the national level. If one of them says something stupid it's all over the news.
Lt-Col A. Tack
06-18-2007, 08:37 PM
maybe if American diplomats and politicans think before opening their mouth, they can score some success in diplomatic field and resurrect fvcked up image of America in the world?
just a thought p-)
A Russian saying that America has an image problem?
That's pretty clever!
Lt-Col A. Tack
06-18-2007, 08:42 PM
She was actually right on the money. I would not be much surprised when the current president leaves the office there would be found mass massacres of Iraqi civilians. How many people it takes to kill to be compared to fuehrer?
Words like absurd, idiotic, outrageous, moronic, & pathetic just don't do a remark like this justice.
I may need to consult a thesaurus.
Ah yes, foot-in-mouth disease only affects American politicians. Give me a break.
i never stated that, but we here discuss American amazing efforts.
p-)
So what, exactly, was our image before (I presume) Bush? You think it was a friendly, pro-American world?
i remember late 80's early 90's image of America was actually very high in my country. only later your politicians fvck up this image.
I lived in Europe from Presidents Nixon through Clinton and as far back as I can remember we were always called heavy-handed bullies.
for a reason.
I don't foresee that changing, no matter who we elect. We've got One President (+ cabinet), 100 Senators, and 435 Representatives. And that's just on the national level. If one of them says something stupid it's all over the news.
i think it will always matter, who you elect, no?
A Russian saying that America has an image problem?
That's pretty clever!
still clever than yours "same to you" post. ;)
Lt-Col A. Tack
06-18-2007, 09:28 PM
still clever than yours "same to you" post.
You're praising your own remark? How cute!
Actually, the comment was intended to provide you with a little perspective.
It seems the effort was wasted.
Actually, the remark was intended to provide you with a little perspective.
It seems the effort was wasted.
thanks for care, but i already know where i live.
still, your post preserve it's original meaning. "you are Russian, so you have no right to point out our stupid mistakes!"
"That's pretty clever!" (c)
Lt-Col A. Tack
06-18-2007, 09:58 PM
thanks for care, but i already know where i live.
To judge by your bellicose rhetorical tone, here and elsewhere, that doesn't appear to be the case.
Belligerent, blithely glib and a nearly complete lack of thoughtful circumspection; always a pleasure to converse with a Russian.
still, your post preserve it's original meaning. "you are Russian, so you have no right to point out our stupid mistakes!"
"Our stupid mistakes" are arguably more well intentioned
Belligerent, blithely glib and a nearly complete lack of thoughtful circumspection; always a pleasure to converse with a Russian.
sniff sniff... yuck, smell of nazionalist around...
Lt-Col A. Tack
06-18-2007, 11:10 PM
sniff sniff... yuck, smell of nazionalist around...
Nationalist? Me? Very much so, but if you're really put off by the smell maybe you need to change your own clothes, Russian.
Nationalist? Me? Very much so, but if you're really put off by the smell maybe you need to change your own clothes, Russian.some sort of a little mature discussion ends in childish insults, i see.
thanks to show us a nice example of usual American diplomacy at work.
p-)
Lt-Col A. Tack
06-19-2007, 08:52 AM
some sort of a little mature discussion ends in childish insults, i see.
thanks to show us a nice example of usual American diplomacy at work.
p-)
Hey, at least I didn't threaten to target you with nuclear missiles.
That's Russian diplomacy at work.
Xaito
06-19-2007, 08:57 AM
Hey, at least I didn't threaten to target you with nuclear missiles.
That's Russian diplomacy at work.
its not a threat its a warning
Lt-Col A. Tack
06-19-2007, 08:59 AM
its not a threat its a warning
Oh yes, of course!
Sergei
06-19-2007, 09:09 AM
some sort of a little mature discussion ends in childish insults, i see.
thanks to show us a nice example of usual American diplomacy at work.
p-)
It is even childish to argue with the guy. He is proud of the "American diplomacy" at work.
How many Iraqis dead by now? 1 million?
And they are talking about throwing more cannonfodder into the meat grinder.
Durandal
06-19-2007, 09:12 AM
some sort of a little mature discussion ends in childish insults, i see.
thanks to show us a nice example of usual American diplomacy at work.
p-)
rofl
That is grand. This entire thread is a bunch of kids shouting at each other not a single thing mature about ANY of it.
Frutzel
06-19-2007, 10:28 AM
Nationalist? Me? Very much so, but if you're really put off by the smell maybe you need to change your own clothes, Russian.
What's your problem? The cold war is over so put the flag out of your ass and stop this BS! And even if somebody has a problem with his smell it has nothing to do with nationality.
Lt-Col A. Tack
06-19-2007, 01:45 PM
It is even childish to argue with the guy. He is proud of the "American diplomacy" at work. How many Iraqis dead by now? 1 million?Nice number, just make that up? Maybe we should have taken notes on the civilian-friendly operations of the Soviets / Russians.
And they are talking about throwing more cannonfodder into the meat grinder.How many Russians were lost in Chechnya again?
What's your problem?
Mainly just the burden of living in a country that has to seek support from unreliable and timid allies. What country are you from again?
The cold war is over
Tell that to our Soviet, no Russian, members. Last time I checked, we weren't the one building new ICBMs, and threatening to aim them at our trading partners.
How'd you come out of Cold War, anyway? Must have had some strong help.
so put the flag out of your ass and stop this BS!
Possibly you mean pull? Just what debate needs, an individual with a limited facility for the English language.
And even if somebody has a problem with his smell it has nothing to do with nationality.Please reread what that was in response to.
I believe I was being called a nationalist, which I probably am, but by a Russian no less.
rofl
That is grand. This entire thread is a bunch of kids shouting at each other not a single thing mature about ANY of it.
I would say it's mostly, but not entirely, useless. It might help to provide some of our forum members with a little perspective.
Macs.
06-19-2007, 01:50 PM
This thread is long gone off topic.
This remark didn't cause any anger or trouble here, it barely made it into the news. Blown out of proportion.
Lt-Col A. Tack
06-19-2007, 01:52 PM
This thread is long gone off topic.
This remark didn't cause any anger or trouble here, it barely made it into the news. Blown out of proportion.
Actually, I very much agree. Just one politician insulting another.
Xaito
06-19-2007, 03:06 PM
Lt-Col A. Tack you say you don't want to hear anything from a Russian - now I don't know if you do that because you blame russians for everything the Soviet Union and Russia combined ever did wrong/unpopular like they personally are responsible for it or if you do it because you have a condescending view on Russians in general but in any case your last posts in this thread were idiotic.
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