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lider_r
06-22-2007, 10:19 AM
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President Bush said the bill would have crossed a moral line

US President George W Bush has vetoed a bill that would have eased restrictions on federally funded stem-cell research.

He also issued an executive order encouraging scientists to focus on ways to conduct research without using stem cells from human embryos.

Mr Bush said advances must be pursued in a way "that respects human dignity and upholds our moral values".
The Democratic-led Congress is expected to try to override the veto but is unlikely to get enough votes.
The veto is only the third issued by Mr Bush during his administration, following a veto of a similar draft stem cell bill in 2006 and a bill on Iraq funding.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/shared/img/o.gifhttp://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/img/v3/start_quote_rb.gif I will not allow our nation to cross this moral line http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/img/v3/end_quote_rb.gif
US President George W Bush

The Democrats argue that restrictions on stem-cell research are impeding vital medical progress and vowed, upon taking charge of Congress last year, to ease curbs on federal funding. Critics say the research requires the destruction of human embryos and argue that alternative methods are showing promise. The BBC's Jonathan Beale in Washington says the battle lines are clearly drawn between those who see stem-cell research as a threat to the sanctity of human life and those who believe it is the best way to offer new hope to millions of patients.

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..........I trust if George or any of his friends and family ever have to endure any kind of disorder which could be treated with a cure that comes from this research that he will reject it seeing as he's been so opposed to it from the beginning.

Viejo Golanchik
06-22-2007, 10:24 AM
Big big mistake, only makes room for a bunch of lawless and unethical pharmaceutical companies to shorten the necesary steps in the cientific research, trough moving the labs to China and Singapore.

Big mistake.

VG

2Sheds_Jackson
06-22-2007, 11:25 AM
..........I trust if George or any of his friends and family ever have to endure any kind of disorder which could be treated with a cure that comes from this research that he will reject it seeing as he's been so opposed to it from the beginning.


Well I think that's kind of a different issue. For example, I find the high-altitude experiments that the Nazis did on prisoners in WWII to be morally repugnant, but I have no problems with flying in a pressurized cabin.

Say what you will about Bush, but he has always tried to do exactly what he said he'd do. Stuff like this is why a lot of his constituents voted for him in the first place.

lider_r
06-22-2007, 11:35 AM
I can't see how research which kills a dish full of cells in order to find cures for suffering human beings can be compared to any of the unethical things the nazis did.

anywho, this is a clear breach between church and state, he's pushing his religous views on those who think differently. Bush doesn't represent the protection of life, in every other area of his presidency he has represented the destruction of it.

Fiber
06-22-2007, 11:42 AM
"Morale is universal". He said it's immoral not "unchristian".

Iran is apparently pretty far ahead in the stem cell research but they have a different view on when "life" starts.

DB-ERAUPilot
06-22-2007, 12:44 PM
these cells are that are going to be thrown into the garbage (literally), I never got how that as better than not being able to use them to possibly save someones life someday...but he's got the "moral authority" :roll:

2Sheds_Jackson
06-22-2007, 03:39 PM
I can't see how research which kills a dish full of cells in order to find cures for suffering human beings can be compared to any of the unethical things the nazis did.

That's probably why you don't agree with Bush's POV.



anywho, this is a clear breach between church and state, he's pushing his religous views on those who think differently.

Yeah, ok. And how would signing the bill be any less of a morally/religiously based decision?

Firetxmi
06-22-2007, 04:14 PM
... And yet another step back...

Good thing he's the "decider"- the moral decider. :roll:

annihilation
06-24-2007, 12:58 PM
Too bad the embryos get tossed away anyway. At least it could have gone to research instead of the trash bin.

D-gin
06-25-2007, 03:22 AM
I'm sure my 18 year old cousin that just recently got diagnosed with Lou Gehrig's would argue about the morals behind this decision, He also got to see what he has to look forward to after getting to watch his father spend the last five years of his life fighting that disease.

noname
06-25-2007, 10:32 AM
When Bush is referring to morals is that before or after he was a fullblown coked-out drunkard?

annihilation
06-25-2007, 02:21 PM
When Bush is referring to morals is that before or after he was a fullblown coked-out drunkard?


After when he found jesus.....

Chounch McGavin
06-25-2007, 02:48 PM
When Bush is referring to morals is that before or after he was a fullblown coked-out drunkard?
Shhh, careful.. Conservatives refuse to believe cocaine exists p-)

lider_r
06-25-2007, 02:59 PM
Yeah, ok. And how would signing the bill be any less of a morally/religiously based decision?

if somebody wasn't already deluded by religous ideas that souls live in embryos then religion neednt enter the argument.

Ratamacue
06-25-2007, 05:53 PM
I can certainly see and understand the reasoning behind people's resistance to embryonic stem cell research, but in my opinion, as long as abortion is legal, so should be embryonic research.