Martial Arts and the Armed Forces

[Duke]

http://www.usmc.mil/marinelink/image1.nsf/Lookup/2003528215856/$file/Sumo.gif
Due to height/weight reg. I don't think we can compete with the sumos.

Lance Cpl. Maurice Smith, combat engineer for Combat Engineer Company, Combat Assault Battalion, 3rd Marine Dicvision, and Masakazu Tokuda, a 19-year-old Okinawan man, compete in a grueling match. Tokuda recently graduated high school where he placed third in the Japanese Nationals High School Sumo Wrestling Championship.
Photo submitted 05/28/2003 Taken by Sgt. Daniel L. Patterson
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A local Okinawan man throws Lance Cpl. Joshua Howard, combat engineer for Combat Engineer Company, Combat Assault Battalion, 3rd Marine Division, to the ground to win the match in the Championship Matches round. Howard was one of two Marines to make it to the Championship Matches quarter-finals
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ARTA, Djibouti -- Sgt. Sefk Alexander, a Marine Corps Martial Arts Instructor with Combined Joint Task-Force Horn of Africa trains Djiboutian soldiers in martial arts. This is one of many humanitarian and training operations members from the Theater Security Coordination section's Country Desk Team helped to facilitate.
Photo submitted 06/08/2003 Taken by Cpl. Matthew J. Apprendi

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I've always been a huge opponent to the Ishinryu punching style. Very awkward.

Gunnery Sgt. Kevin W. Padron, assistant operations chief, Marine Air Control Group-18, 1st Marine Aircraft Wing practices his martial arts moves. He recently underwent nearly two months of in-depth martial arts training at the Japan Ground Self Defense Force Martial Arts Physical Training Instructor Course. Padron is the first Marine to ever participate in the JGSDF martial arts program.
Photo submitted 06/19/2003 Taken by Cpl. Trevor Carlee
http://www.usmc.mil/marinelink/image1.nsf/Lookup/2003623191738/$file/MCMAP-01-copy.jpg
Now just kick him in the gonads.

Lance Cpl. Pablo Ventura executes an arm bar on Lance Cpl. Jeffery Crane while Sgt. David McMillan grades the Marines as they work to earn their tan belts.
Photo submitted 06/23/2003 Taken by Sgt. Valerie Martinez

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Staff Sgt. Robert R. Bender, drill instructor, Recruit Training Regiment, attempts to apply a joint-manipulation technique during bull-in-the-ring training at the Depot Dojo.
Photo submitted 06/20/2003 Taken by Cpl. Ethan E. Rocke

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Capt. Adan E. Sisneros, G-3 training officer, grapples with another Marine during a bull-in-the-ring session of groundfighting at the Marine Corps Martial Arts Training Facility here. During bull-in-the-ring training, Martial Arts Instructor Course students have to grapple with multiple opponents without breaks.
Photo submitted 06/20/2003 Taken by Cpl. Ethan E. Rocke

[Smoothie104]

http://www.grapplingunlimited.com/navyseals.asp







In regards to Sumo, there are several weight classes, lightweight is up to 187 lbs. middle weight is up to 253lbs and heavy is over 253. Open Class is any weight, and I rembmer watching an open class match late night on ESPN2 a while back, A guy weighing around 230 beat a guy who was over 400lbs. He got the big guy moving and then got out of the way.

[Bodafon]

Is it Jui-Jitsu the Americans are practicing, certainly isn't Sumo! As for using Ishinryu as a style, he's be much better with Shukokai or Shotokan, harder/more powerful styles :bash:

[dez000]

Belgian paracommando:

http://www.mil.be/vchod/view_gall_large.asp?ID=5641

http://www.mil.be/vchod/view_gall_large.asp?ID=5640

Note: before dissing about their age, those are instructures not recruits, duh! :bash:

[JiJoMacLE45]

Duke, you Marines just love all that touchy-feely Mr. Miyagi stuff, huh?
I prefer the 'Mag-Lite along the cranium' method or the 'Bates to the balls' style. Never fails.

[hood]

That fencing mask to block splinters from the wood is a great idea.

[Apogee]

I actually just returned from the Army's Combatives school at FT Benning. The program we are using now is basically jui-jitsui. Its a little bit different than sport jui-jitsui though, b/c there is no ref to let you tap out. I think I have some pictures from the school that I might be able to post if I can find them.

[Bodafon]

The martial artists with the gun, that attack looks really similar to the one the US Army use in their Self defence FM!

[Duke]

Years ago when the Marines began to mull over a Corps-wide martial arts program, which was later known as Martial Arts Center of Excellence (MACE), I lobbied hard to get an assignment on the development team. As a collegiate wrestler and black belt in TKD (being part Asian I thought would help), but as non-0300 I knew it would be difficult to get on, since so many 0300s have some type of black belt. Unfortunately, I wasn't selected, but was allowed to critique some of the basic stances the cadre developed.
From my Catonese grandmother side of the family I learned their style, and tried to influence the MACE program to adopt some of its characteristics. The Canton region is associated with the rivers and seas of southern China, and their style of Gung Fu represented the needs of boat people or people who fought on boats. To maintain balance, Cantonese fighters use a wider stance, less kicks/more punching, and low kicks. My line of logic centered on getting a fighting advantage in boat seizures or at sea in general to maintain balance for a crippling strike. (Often TECOM doctrine goes Navy Dept wide.) My techniques were not adopted.
As a wrestler, I contested grappling in aboard or with multiple assailants situations. First, let me say a grappler against a standup will most likely win or should win. However, a grappler with multiple targets will get his ribs cracked and face beaten to pulp. Image as agrappler wrestles with the one assailant the others will pull a "Skin head", and "boot" you to death.
I wanted to put better sprawlling and other counter grappling techniques in the MACE program, but that too was denied.
On the whole the MACE program is a solid basic martial NOT Marshall arts program, even though my **** wasn't employed.
Sprawl technique--"The best way to get out of a good hold is not to get in one" Old grappling proverb
http://www.themat.com/ted/basicskills/sprawling.gif
JiJo--WAX ON WAX OFF!

[Trigger]

Is that you in blue Duke?

[Duke]

No, but this is a great sprawl.

[Scrim]

Duke - Could you give us some more information on the Marine Corps martial arts program? The order of the belts, basic requirments for each belt, is certain rank/TIG required for the higher belts?etc. Cheers.

[JiJoMacLE45]

Duke, you said all I needed to see, when the words 'collegiate wrestler' passed by my eyes. Sorry to hear about that. To think I actually thought you were an O-K guy. What a waste.

[hood]

hah it was always funny to get someone from the local high school in the karate class, and see the look on their faces when they were outgrappled by a non-wrestler. but one who balances things out with other martial arts is much better off like he said he did. did you learn hapkido at the tkd school you went to? many schools will add the grappling and joint lock techniques of hapkido to balance things out.

[Henk]

The best system is systhema,a combat system without zen bull****.
The spetznas seems to be sparring with gulag prisoners because they can't complain of any wounds.

[Henk]

lost of videoclips of systhema,
http://www.spetsnaz-gru.com

[Smoothie104]

http://www.grapplingunlimited.com/navyseals.asp


UFC and the Navy SEALs

[Henk]

following link is a story with pics (sorry its in dutch) about a commando exame for the counter terror role. In short the commando's have to show they are willing to fight. They have to show this by fighting 5 profesionel fighters in 4 rooms in 1 room there are even 2 fighters.click artikelen then click reportage uit nieuwe revu.................
http://www.inhail.com/extra/bna/bna.html

[Duke]

GODDDD! During junior and senior high, seven long years, I couldn't stand the persistent jokes of "Two guys in tights rolling on the ground together." Please be kind to wrestlers; we have feelings too.

Here's one for James. What about a gay Marine wrestler, (we always kick ass, except for last year) who gets off on rubbing up against another Marine? Doesn't the hetero****** Marine have a right not to passively stimulate a gay Marine. What, is it OK for a wrestler to run around with a ***** in his singlet. The dude wood be undefeated.

Hood, actually we used Yudo. Remember, Japan ruled Korea for years, and forced their culture on the Koreans, even in martial arts. I learned from my TKD instructors a little Yudo.(which brought me to wrestling). It's Judo with a Korean twist, but very very similar. As for Hapkido, I do love their basic principles of passive attacks, very un-Muay Thai (absolutely dig Muay Thai). But no I haven't learned Hapkido.

I remember the first fight I had after learning some wrestling takedowns. After opening up with some kicks I went for a single and then did a double legged cradle. I thought, "WHAT THE F*CK do you do after a cradle?", you can't punch the guy. No vulcan death grip either, a useless real life move.

Scrim,
www.usmc.mil/directiv.nsf/56ec379292979da685256bd0006c696e/a78deffe637d16dc852569770049c6f4/$file/mco%201500.54a.pdf

[JiJoMacLE45]

Sorry Duke, but as a college football player(albeit a half-assed one, but one nonetheless) you know football players and wrestlers could never
peacefully co-exist.

And an arm bar or wrist lock to a choke hold never fails. Ooops, I forgot, choke holds are a no-no in my line of work, forget I even mentioned it.

[Duke]

I always preferred to a double chicken wing or pancake, then dropping to a sprawling knee. Thus, slamming my opponent's face on the ground.

My first suitemates in college were O lineman, 300+. We would go to Taco Bell with me watching my weight eating maybe two or three tacos or Meximelts, while they would eat atleast seventeen tacos. If we went out, seven to ten beers max for me, while they would have to drink a six pack at the dorm and another fifteen to get drunk.

These guys were actually banned from a Chinese all you can eat restaurant.

[JiJoMacLE45]

Gotta love the biggins'.

I lived in a house my last two years with about a dozen other guys from the team and about half were O-line(they're always the most fun to be around). Our grocery bill was astronomical.

Our house was across the street from the frat most of the wrestlers were in. We called the road the 'DMZ' b/c if someone from either group crossed over to the other side it became 'go time' real quick. Learned some pretty good holds from those guys via first hand experience. Ah the good 'ole days.

[martinexsquaddie]

My CO had a real down on my Battalion learning any sort of Martial arts
Because they fight in Bars they have been fighting in Bars since the 1500s.
If they learned how to really fight they'd start wiping one another out :P

[Alfred Wang]

During centuries(even more), martial arts have been playing a very important role in Chinese armed forces and most of the martial arts have spreaded from China and lots of well-known martial arts have origined and modified from China as well such as Karate or Judo. I have practiced Karate, Judo, Taekwondo, grappling and Chinese wrestling for a long time (about 12~15 years). All that I want to say is "martial arts can both make you phyisically and mentally strong and make you more easily face various kinds of obstacles. woot