German BND reportedly revealed link between UN envoy Ahtisaari and Albanian mafia

[kapela]

Speaker of the Serbian Parliament, Oliver Dulic, reacted to allegations that the United Nations Kosovo Envoy Martti Ahtissari took money to propose independence for Kosovo with a special statement, news agency FoNet says. “All of this needs to be investigated and the truth ought to be determined, and if it turns out this is true, it will cast a huge shadow over the final Kosovo settlement process,” Dulic is quoted by the agency as saying.
Banja Luka’s Fokus magazine reported earlier this week that German intelligence agency BND had sent a report to UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon, which allegedly confirms suspicions that Kosovo Albanian leaders paid UN Kosovo Envoy Martti Ahtisaari EUR 40 mln in order to suggest independence for the province in his Kosovo settlement plan.

Links
http://byzantinesacredart.com/blog/2007/06/bnd-slaves-and-millions.html

http://www.radioyu.org/index.php3?language=French

http://www.radioyu.org/Vesti/EnglishVesti.htm

[muck]

German BND reportedly revealed link between UN envoy Ahtisaari and Albanian Mafia :cantbeli:Did they, ya?
At first, the Serbians stated Athisaari would be a Nazi and therefore rejected their claims regarding Kosovo province, and now they make the corrupt bureaucrat of him.

And why wasn't one single word about this in the media here?
I went in for two minutes of Googleing and all hits I received with the key-words "BND Athisaari" were sites like "semanarioserbio.com" or "Jihad Watch Deutschland"...
So, why?

Oh wait, let me guess: Because of anti-serbian propaganda?

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Argh, what did I do?! That thread is the best base for a flamewar...

[Weasel]

:cantbeli:Did they, ya?
At first, the Serbians stated Athisaari would be a Nazi and therefore rejected their claims regarding Kosovo province, and now they make the corrupt bureaucrat of him.

And why wasn't one single word about this in the media here?
I went in for two minutes of Googleing and all hits I received with the key-words "BND Athisaari" were sites like "semanarioserbio.com" or "Jihad Watch Deutschland"...
So, why?

Oh wait, let me guess: Because of anti-serbian propaganda?

edit

Argh, what did I do?! That thread is the best base for a flamewar...

Don´t worry. The report will soon be deleted accidently.

j/k

[muck]

Don´t worry. The report will soon be deleted accidently.

j/k

Your sarcasm becomes unbearable sooner or later...I wonder what disenchanted you so much in this country.

[kapela]

Always slowly I have only read this and I found it Interesting

[Weasel]

Your sarcasm becomes unbearable sooner or later...I wonder what disenchanted you so much in this country.

Reality bites, I know.

[signatory]

Ahtisaari's office dismisses bribe allegation as "rubbish"

27.6.2007 at 17:08

The Vienna office of Martti Ahtisaari, the UN special envoy for the future status process for Kosovo, told the Finnish News Agency (STT) on Wednesday it did not intend to take action over allegations that the former Finnish president had accepted bribes for recommending independence for the Serbian province.

Banja Luka-based paper Fokus had accused Mr Ahtisaari of accepting more than 40 million euros in bribes from Albanian criminals. Fokus further claimed that Bundesnachrichtendienst (BND), Germany's foreign intelligence agency, had submitted a report on the alleged transaction to the UN secretary-general.

"This is a rubbish story, which is actually from a Republica Srpska magazine. We have nothing to add to that. This is just a rubbish story," Remi Dourlot of the UN office of the special envoy or Kosovo, or Unosek, told STT.

Mr Dourlot also dismissed the report that BND had reported to the secretary-general as malicious.

http://newsroom.finland.fi/stt/showarticle.asp?intNWSAID=16074&group=General

[mp5sd]

well, maybe ahtisari as Fin, hates slavic nations and is for the indipendence of small nation???

[muck]

How could any Serbian newspaper get it hands on a secret report of the BND?
Why have no foreign medias taken the story up, too?
Since the FRG is considered as a strong supporter of Kosovo's independence, why would it's own intelligence service try to compromise it's 'tool', namely envoy Ahtisaari? That would even contradict previous propositions of the Serbian side.

Many logical gaps in that story. The whole thing smells like a single try to discredit Ahtisaari.


@Weasel
That is called alarmism. Man kann es auch übertreiben. p-)

[Weasel]

@Weasel
That is called alarmism. Man kann es auch übertreiben. p-)

You don´t like political cabaret, do you? :)

[Teme]

Those Serbian newspapers have pretty good intelligence, eh...

http://www.hs.fi/kuvat/iso_webkuva/1135224972003.jpeg

This story is as much true as the one above.

(Hehe. Silver briefcases full of money.)

[mp5sd]

These serbs are annoing a few all the world...

[Jobu]

Corruption at the UN?

It cannot be.
http://www.w3bdevil.com/forums/No-Darth_Vader.jpg

[muck]

Corruption at the UN?
It cannot be.


For sure it can be, but a person does not necessarily become corrupt just for being not loved by the Serbians.

[Kippari]

well, maybe ahtisari as Fin, hates slavic nations and is for the indipendence of small nation???

Yep, that must be the reason. We Finns like to eat Slavic babies in BBQ-parties and plot our fascist plans at the same time. It's not just some extreme people, it's all of us, the whole damn tribe. We would also eat Swedish but the taste can't beat that of a fresh Slav. You know what goes great with it, the coleslav. But whaddya know, we're so insidious and secretive that nobody but some Einstein of Serbia has figured it out. We can tell whatever we want at the UN court and who's going to argue? Nobody, that's who! We can work with some Albanians no problem, but that's because they taste so bad.

[mp5sd]

Yep, that must be the reason. We Finns like to eat Slavic babies in BBQ-parties and plot our fascist plans at the same time. It's not just some extreme people, it's all of us, the whole damn tribe. We would also eat Swedish but the taste can't beat that of a fresh Slav. You know what goes great with it, the coleslav. But whaddya know, we're so insidious and secretive that nobody but some Einstein of Serbia has figured it out. We can tell whatever we want at the UN court and who's going to argue? Nobody, that's who! We can work with some Albanians no problem, but that's because they taste so bad.

I think that UN wants to give the indipendence to Kosova, and this is the reason that they choosed Ahtisari, son of a heroical Nation, that fought against slavics for centuries for its own freedom!!!

[Kippari]

I think that UN wants to give the indipendence to Kosova, and this is the reason that they choosed Ahtisari, son of a heroical Nation, that fought against slavics for centuries for its own freedom!!!

Dude, we really don't have anything against the Slavs and/or Serbs and I don't think the UN has either.:) Well, that said I can also tell you that the UN makes no special difference between cultures in situations like this.
Btw. we haven't fought for our independence for even a century yet and not even against just slavs, but thats another story going way OT.

[Kaapeli]

I think that UN wants to give the indipendence to Kosova, and this is the reason that they choosed Ahtisari, son of a heroical Nation, that fought against slavics for centuries for its own freedom!!!

Calm down.

His was an impossible mission. Ahtisaari and the UN simply can't satisfy everyone involved with their decision so they can only pick the one that causes the least trouble for everyone.

If Ahtisaari had not suggested independence for Kosovo it would be the Kosovars and Albanians calling him names, claiming he was bribed by the Serbs and saying he's a nazi, racist and whatever. Now when the UN offers independence to Kosovo it's the Serbs who are doing it. There's simply no pleasing everyone.

Put yourself in his shoes, forget your on bias for a moment and think how could You have solved the situation without angering anyone and preventing another civil war?
Do you see the problem?

Ahtisaari was chosen because he comes from a very neutral nation and has much experience in these kind of negotiations and UN service.

[Teme]

One thousand dollar bill weights one gram. 40.000 of those would weight 40 kilos. Plus there is the weight of two silver briefcases.

If you have ever seen the guy, you would know he would not be able to take the briefcases from a black Albanian mafia car and walk away.

Or was it $100 bills in the briefcases?p-)

[Kaapeli]

I hope Ahtisaari doesn't hurt himself carrying all that cash around and spending it. He already has leg problems and walks with a limp. :)

[Teme]

But I guess he is still pretty virile 70-year old because he spent more than five hours with two young women brought by Albanian mafiamen.

No wonder they call him wh*re in the posted linksp-)

[Hecatonchiros]

There's simply no pleasing everyone.

Or ANYone really, when it comes to the nations of Balkan...

[muck]

Or ANYone really, when it comes to the nations of Balkan...

Hell, that is unfortunately true, too...

[Kippari]

Or ANYone really, when it comes to the nations of Balkan...

IIRC Ahtisaari was quite tired of those bickering Balkaneers and decided to never again have anything to do with them because they are stubborn almost to the line of stupidity and maybe over it.:)

[Pleonasm]

IIRC Ahtisaari was quite tired of those bickering Balkaneers and decided to never again have anything to do with them because they are stubborn almost to the line of stupidity and maybe over it.:)
Fortunately the great and kindhearted Athisaari decided to bother with these bickering savages.:roll:

[eskrima]

How could any Serbian newspaper get it hands on a secret report of the BND?

if the story is true,DB got it mate and they gave it to the paper. Wake up:)

[cinoeye]

Those Serbian newspapers have pretty good intelligence, eh...

http://www.hs.fi/kuvat/iso_webkuva/1135224972003.jpeg

This story is as much true as the one above.

(Hehe. Silver briefcases full of money.)


Haha, you are quoting Kurir as a relevant news paper!?!?!:bash:

[Bullet28]

Fortunately the great and kindhearted Athisaari decided to bother with these bickering savages.:roll:

Yeah right serbs and albanians are savages.We are trying to find a solution because here in Kosova a war is about to erupt.Watch out Pompejus a volcano is about to erupt over your head.Keep it cool you are offending someone(me).Calling someone a savage ......i think stone age has gonne

[Pleonasm]

Yeah right serbs and albanians are savages.We are trying to find a solution because here in Kosova a war is about to erupt.Watch out Pompejus a volcano is about to erupt over your head.Keep it cool you are offending someone(me).Calling someone a savage ......i think stone age has gonne
It was irony and a response to Kippari's post. I'm a Serb, do you think I would call myself a savage?

[Teme]

Haha, you are quoting Kurir as a relevant news paper!?!?!:bash:
No.

I wouldn't call Kurir or Fokus relevant newspapers.

[cinoeye]

Serbia owed justice in Kosovo


By GREGORY CLARK (http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/JTsearch5.cgi?term1=GREGORY CLARK)
No commentator likes to sound like a conspiracy nut. But if that is the fate of anyone who tries to challenge the distortions involved in painting Serbia as criminally guilty over Kosovo and the breakup of the former Yugoslavia, then so be it.
Let's go back to the beginning. When Nazi Germany tried to occupy Yugoslavia during World War II, the Croat and Muslim minorities there backed the Nazis in their campaign against the mainly Serbian resistance. Even the Nazis are said to have been impressed by the brutality with which the Croatian forces — the dreaded Ustashi — set out to massacre and cleanse whole villages and even towns of their Serbian populations. Some 1 million Serbs died as a result, many of them in the Croatian death camp at Jasenovac, said to rival some Nazi Holocaust operations in scale and atrocity.

With the war over, Serb revenge seemed inevitable. But the Yugoslav resistance leader, Tito, managed to restrain passions by allowing Serbian domination of the central government while dividing the nation into semi-autonomous regions with mixed ethnic populations. But it was an uneasy compromise, as I saw on the ground in the former Yugoslavia of the '60s and as even we in distant Australia probably realized better than most.
There we saw frequent attacks by recalcitrant Ustashi elements on Yugoslav diplomatic missions and the large Serbian immigrant community. We took it for granted that in any breakup of post-communist Yugoslavia it would be insanity to ask the large Serbian minorities in Croatia and Bosnia to accept rule by their former pro-Nazi Croatian and Muslim oppressors. But insanity prevailed, thanks largely to pressure from Germany, Britain and the United States, all seeking to expand influence into yet another Eastern Europe ex-communist nation.
In short, the subsequent fighting was inevitable, as were the atrocities, by all sides. But the Serbs could at least claim they were seeking mainly to recover some of the towns and villages they had lost under the Nazis. Much is made of Serbian revenge killings in the Bosnian district of Srebrenica in 1995. But we see no mention of the wartime and postwar killings of Serbs in that area, which had reduced the Serbian population from a prewar level of over half to less than one third. Nor do we find much mention of the atrocities involved in expelling hundreds of thousands of Serbs from Croatia.
Enter the Kosovo problem.
To assist the Muslim side during the 1992-1995 Bosnian fighting, British and U.S. intelligence organs resorted to the extraordinary recruitment and training of Islamic extremists from Afghanistan's anti-Soviet wars of the 1980s. Help and training was also given to Albanian Muslim extremists setting up their Kosovo Liberation Army to launch guerrilla attacks against isolated Serbian communities. (These long-suspected facts were confirmed by Britain's former environment minister Michael Meacher writing in The Guardian newspaper recently).
Even more extraordinary was the way Serbian attempts to prevent or retaliate against those KLA attacks were denounced as the "ethnic cleansing" of Kosovo's Albanians (ironically it was the KLA that invented the term, to describe its plan to drive out the Serbian minority). The U.S. and the North Atlantic Treaty Organization move to bomb Serbia into submission followed soon after, even though it was the KLA, not Belgrade, that violated a 1998 ceasefire organized by the U.S.
The propaganda war used to justify Western policies over Kosovo was unrelenting. We were told that 500,000 ethnic Albanians had been killed there by the Serbs (miraculously we are now given a figure of around 10,000). Much was made of a 1989 speech by former Yugoslav leader Slobodan Milosevic said to call for "ethnic cleansing" in Kosovo. But one has only to read the speech to realize it said the exact opposite — that it was a call for moderation in handling ethnic Albanian hostility to a justifiably stronger Serbian political presence there; the idea that the 10 percent Serbian minority there would set out deliberately to expel the large ethnic Albanian majority was patently absurd from the start. Yet that absurdity has regularly been trundled out by allegedly objective Western commentators relying heavily on the 1999 flight of ethnic Albanians to neighboring Macedonia as proof. But that flight was temporary, and came after the U.S./NATO bombing attacks, not before. Some of it was also staged.
Almost nowhere do we see any mention of the hundreds of thousands of Serbs, Jews, Gypsies and moderate ethnic Albanians since expelled permanently from Kosovo by the now dominant extremists. Meanwhile we are supposed to be annoyed by Belgrade's and Moscow's resistance to a Kosovo independence that would almost certainly see the remaining ethnic minorities even further victimized.
The implications for the future are frightening. The propaganda victory over Kosovo seems to have convinced our Western policymakers that they can say anything they like on any issue and rely on spin, black information and a lazy or compliant media to get away with it.
The 1999 ultimatum given Belgrade over Kosovo was pure blackmail: Either you agree to our demands, no matter how unreasonable (including the demand to put not only Kosovo but also Serbia under NATO military occupation), or we use our dominant air power to wreck your economic and social infrastructure. The subsequent destruction of Serbia's industries, including its only car factory, was pure vandalism.
Even Belgrade's willingness to accept a Kosovo under the control of moderate ethnic Albanians was rejected, in favor of the KLA Muslim extremists the U.S. had long supported. Ironically some of those extremists have now joined al-Qaida's anti-U.S. jihad.
On the 50th anniversary of their original unification, the EU powers congratulated themselves on the way they had kept Europe free of war ever since 1945. They did not seem even to notice how they had just gone to war with a European nation called Serbia. Serbia was the one European nation to resist Nazi German domination (the others either surrendered or collaborated). Its capital, Belgrade, was viciously bombed as a result. The next time it was bombed was by a NATO that included Germany and many of the other former collaborator nations, this time to force it to submit over Kosovo. Little wonder the Serbs remain angry.

Gregory Clark is a former Australian government official and currently vice president of Akita International University. A translation of this article will appear at www.gregoryclark.net (http://www.gregoryclark.net/)

[Bullet28]

Serbia owed justice in Kosovo


By GREGORY CLARK (http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/JTsearch5.cgi?term1=GREGORY CLARK)
No commentator likes to sound like a conspiracy nut. But if that is the fate of anyone who tries to challenge the distortions involved in painting Serbia as criminally guilty over Kosovo and the breakup of the former Yugoslavia, then so be it.
Let's go back to the beginning. When Nazi Germany tried to occupy Yugoslavia during World War II, the Croat and Muslim minorities there backed the Nazis in their campaign against the mainly Serbian resistance. Even the Nazis are said to have been impressed by the brutality with which the Croatian forces — the dreaded Ustashi — set out to massacre and cleanse whole villages and even towns of their Serbian populations. Some 1 million Serbs died as a result, many of them in the Croatian death camp at Jasenovac, said to rival some Nazi Holocaust operations in scale and atrocity.

With the war over, Serb revenge seemed inevitable. But the Yugoslav resistance leader, Tito, managed to restrain passions by allowing Serbian domination of the central government while dividing the nation into semi-autonomous regions with mixed ethnic populations. But it was an uneasy compromise, as I saw on the ground in the former Yugoslavia of the '60s and as even we in distant Australia probably realized better than most.
There we saw frequent attacks by recalcitrant Ustashi elements on Yugoslav diplomatic missions and the large Serbian immigrant community. We took it for granted that in any breakup of post-communist Yugoslavia it would be insanity to ask the large Serbian minorities in Croatia and Bosnia to accept rule by their former pro-Nazi Croatian and Muslim oppressors. But insanity prevailed, thanks largely to pressure from Germany, Britain and the United States, all seeking to expand influence into yet another Eastern Europe ex-communist nation.
In short, the subsequent fighting was inevitable, as were the atrocities, by all sides. But the Serbs could at least claim they were seeking mainly to recover some of the towns and villages they had lost under the Nazis. Much is made of Serbian revenge killings in the Bosnian district of Srebrenica in 1995. But we see no mention of the wartime and postwar killings of Serbs in that area, which had reduced the Serbian population from a prewar level of over half to less than one third. Nor do we find much mention of the atrocities involved in expelling hundreds of thousands of Serbs from Croatia.
Enter the Kosovo problem.
To assist the Muslim side during the 1992-1995 Bosnian fighting, British and U.S. intelligence organs resorted to the extraordinary recruitment and training of Islamic extremists from Afghanistan's anti-Soviet wars of the 1980s. Help and training was also given to Albanian Muslim extremists setting up their Kosovo Liberation Army to launch guerrilla attacks against isolated Serbian communities. (These long-suspected facts were confirmed by Britain's former environment minister Michael Meacher writing in The Guardian newspaper recently).
Even more extraordinary was the way Serbian attempts to prevent or retaliate against those KLA attacks were denounced as the "ethnic cleansing" of Kosovo's Albanians (ironically it was the KLA that invented the term, to describe its plan to drive out the Serbian minority). The U.S. and the North Atlantic Treaty Organization move to bomb Serbia into submission followed soon after, even though it was the KLA, not Belgrade, that violated a 1998 ceasefire organized by the U.S.
The propaganda war used to justify Western policies over Kosovo was unrelenting. We were told that 500,000 ethnic Albanians had been killed there by the Serbs (miraculously we are now given a figure of around 10,000). Much was made of a 1989 speech by former Yugoslav leader Slobodan Milosevic said to call for "ethnic cleansing" in Kosovo. But one has only to read the speech to realize it said the exact opposite — that it was a call for moderation in handling ethnic Albanian hostility to a justifiably stronger Serbian political presence there; the idea that the 10 percent Serbian minority there would set out deliberately to expel the large ethnic Albanian majority was patently absurd from the start. Yet that absurdity has regularly been trundled out by allegedly objective Western commentators relying heavily on the 1999 flight of ethnic Albanians to neighboring Macedonia as proof. But that flight was temporary, and came after the U.S./NATO bombing attacks, not before. Some of it was also staged.
Almost nowhere do we see any mention of the hundreds of thousands of Serbs, Jews, Gypsies and moderate ethnic Albanians since expelled permanently from Kosovo by the now dominant extremists. Meanwhile we are supposed to be annoyed by Belgrade's and Moscow's resistance to a Kosovo independence that would almost certainly see the remaining ethnic minorities even further victimized.
The implications for the future are frightening. The propaganda victory over Kosovo seems to have convinced our Western policymakers that they can say anything they like on any issue and rely on spin, black information and a lazy or compliant media to get away with it.
The 1999 ultimatum given Belgrade over Kosovo was pure blackmail: Either you agree to our demands, no matter how unreasonable (including the demand to put not only Kosovo but also Serbia under NATO military occupation), or we use our dominant air power to wreck your economic and social infrastructure. The subsequent destruction of Serbia's industries, including its only car factory, was pure vandalism.
Even Belgrade's willingness to accept a Kosovo under the control of moderate ethnic Albanians was rejected, in favor of the KLA Muslim extremists the U.S. had long supported. Ironically some of those extremists have now joined al-Qaida's anti-U.S. jihad.
On the 50th anniversary of their original unification, the EU powers congratulated themselves on the way they had kept Europe free of war ever since 1945. They did not seem even to notice how they had just gone to war with a European nation called Serbia. Serbia was the one European nation to resist Nazi German domination (the others either surrendered or collaborated). Its capital, Belgrade, was viciously bombed as a result. The next time it was bombed was by a NATO that included Germany and many of the other former collaborator nations, this time to force it to submit over Kosovo. Little wonder the Serbs remain angry.

Gregory Clark is a former Australian government official and currently vice president of Akita International University. A translation of this article will appear at www.gregoryclark.net (http://www.gregoryclark.net/)


Pretty interesting facts let me get this straight those 10.000 casualties were caused by who in the recent conflict in Kosova?
In my hometown in Gjakove (Djakovica) before the war started we had only one cemetary now when the war ended we have 3 cemetaries .Before making these statements i think this author of this article should pay a visit to Kosova and be convinced.And the thurst for revenge it`s a genetical heritage of the people that live in the Ballkans.
And saying that KLA in it`s units had muslim extremists hmm you are wrong......i was a part of it i didn`t see any muslim extremists that`s just BS.I`m sorry i don`t wanna start a flame around here just these facts are just too overrated.I think that most of the members here are convinced that Albanians are savages, but i would strongly recomend to visit the place



P.S : If you are afraid i would gladly offer you security and a tour around the country i wont bitte

Cherrs
B28

[Paya]

There is a myth here in Serbia that the Albanian mafia is omnipotent. While they do have their fingers in some very profitable criminal buisnisses (heroin, car smuggle), I highly doubt that they could have bribed the man who was the President of Finland!

That said, I do consider Ahtisari to be irritating, arrogant, and yes, he does treat us like savages.

[cinoeye]

@ Bullet28-
I agree, not all of the KLA members where muslim extremists, but they are for sure extreme nationalists( hey that's nothing new for the Balkans;) ).

Numbers, hate talking about casulty numbers, but.....

USA president and media claimed 200 000 Albanians killed, now HRW and UN reports between 7000-9000 people died in conflict on each side in more than a year!
That is for the time line of January of 1998 to July of 1999 and includes deaths from NATO bombs, not just in the province but all over the rest of Serbia.

That's close to number of people killed in one week diring the terrible Srebrenica crime.

No daubt, some civilians where murdured intentionaly, but it's far from wide spread Serbian army and Police intentions to commit a genocide.

[Bullet28]

@ Bullet28-
I agree, not all of the KLA members where muslim extremists, but they are for sure extreme nationalists( hey that's nothing new for the Balkans;) ).

Numbers, hate talking about casulty numbers, but.....

USA president and media claimed 200 000 Albanians killed, now HRW and UN reports between 7000-9000 people died in conflict on each side in more than a year!
That is for the time line of January of 1998 to July of 1999 and includes deaths from NATO bombs, not just in the province but all over the rest of Serbia.

That's close to number of people killed in one week diring the terrible Srebrenica crime.

No daubt, some civilians where murdured intentionaly, but it's far from wide spread Serbian army and Police intentions to commit a genocide.

Yeah youre right numbers were too overrated,but most of the crimes were commited by local serbs (Paramilitary units,Voulenteers....)but it`s an interesting fact that they wore MUP and VJ uniforms and equipment.But maybe these kind of units had some different orders to commit crimes who those orders maybe came directly from Belgrade.The regular army units acted in correct manner as i heard,but local serbs that they were born here huuh u cannot imagine what they have done so the serbs that want to come back if they weren`t indicted in any crimes they are free to come those who did crimes i`m sorry there is nothing left for them here (no flames intended).Gjakova(my hometown) is a small town everyone knows each other so we even knew the serbs that were born here even if they wore ski masks while doing crimes.

[cinoeye]

I got some opposite info for the KLA side-reports claiming that most crimes against Serbs where comited not by the locals, but KLA members from diaspora and Albania.

[Bullet28]

I know that "Revenge" is a genetical heritage of people that live in the Ballkans,i`m sure that you have those kind of inormation because after the war ended here it was totall anarchy so these things might happen but i`m not aware of these kind of info. I just want that these matter be resolved in civil matter
"Evil always prevails when good people fail to stop it"- i don`t remember the author who wrote this phrase

[cinoeye]

..and the two of us are nice example. ;)

[INAT]

Pretty interesting facts let me get this straight those 10.000 casualties were caused by who in the recent conflict in Kosova?
In my hometown in Gjakove (Djakovica) before the war started we had only one cemetary now when the war ended we have 3 cemetaries .Before making these statements i think this author of this article should pay a visit to Kosova and be convinced.And the thurst for revenge it`s a genetical heritage of the people that live in the Ballkans.
And saying that KLA in it`s units had muslim extremists hmm you are wrong......i was a part of it i didn`t see any muslim extremists that`s just BS.I`m sorry i don`t wanna start a flame around here just these facts are just too overrated.I think that most of the members here are convinced that Albanians are savages, but i would strongly recomend to visit the place



P.S : If you are afraid i would gladly offer you security and a tour around the country i wont bitte

Cherrs
B28


Where is this "Kosova" you speak of in the middle east somewhere?

[muck]

Where is this "Kosova" you speak of in the middle east somewhere?


:bash:

Blah, every time it's pretty much the same with you guys. Playing the smart ass only to heat up discussions again.

On Albanian and Turkish, the name of Kosovo province is Kosova.

[127th Knights]

In my hometown in Gjakove (Djakovica) before the war started we had only one cemetary now when the war ended we have 3 cemetaries .Before making these statements i think this author of this article should pay a visit to Kosova and be convinced.And the thurst for revenge it`s a genetical heritage of the people that live in the Ballkans.

Your hometown of Djakovica was also the center of the KLA resistance. An area of kosovo that was notorious for it's support of the organization that was and is blacklisted by the American CIA's terrorist watch list. What did you think was going to happen, that the MI troops would walk in there and your neighbors would throw flowers at there feet. All in all though you'll have to admit, you'd rather be an Albanian living in a Serbian Kosovo than a Sunni living in an American Iraq.

[127th Knights]

I know that "Revenge" is a genetical heritage of people that live in the Ballkans,i`m sure that you have those kind of inormation because after the war ended here it was totall anarchy so these things might happen but i`m not aware of these kind of info. I just want that these matter be resolved in civil matter
"Evil always prevails when good people fail to stop it"- i don`t remember the author who wrote this phrase

Why should good people stick their necks out for someone else that wouldn't do the same for them? Quote by me ;-)

[Bullet28]

Your hometown of Djakovica was also the center of the KLA resistance. An area of kosovo that was notorious for it's support of the organization that was and is blacklisted by the American CIA's terrorist watch list. What did you think was going to happen, that the MI troops would walk in there and your neighbors would throw flowers at there feet. All in all though you'll have to admit, you'd rather be an Albanian living in a Serbian Kosovo than a Sunni living in an American Iraq.

Well in Gjakove 93% of people before the war were albanians heres the the link:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gjakova and its a border town
And why NATO bombed Serbia and not the KLA during the campaing in 99 since we were blacklisted from the CIA? And why there are so many civilians dead? I`d rather be an Marsian in a another planet.

[127th Knights]

As late as 1997, the KLA had been recognized by the U.S. as a terrorist organization supported in part by heroin trafficking.[10] United States President Bill Clinton's special envoy to the Balkans, Robert Gelbard, described once the KLA as, "without any questions, a terrorist group"[2]. Nevertheless, by February 1998, the KLA had been removed from the United States State Department's terrorism list [1]. According to reliable sources, KLA representatives had already met with American, British, and Swiss intelligence agencies in 1996, and possibly "several years earlier".[11] In the same year, a British weekly newspaper, The European, stated that "German civil and military intelligence services have been involved in training and equipping the rebels with the aim of cementing German influence in the Balkan area."[12] Former senior adviser to the German parliament Matthias Küntzel proved later on that his country secret diplomacy had been instrumental in helping the KLA since its creation.[13] According to The Sunday Times of London, "American intelligence agents have admitted they helped to train the Kosovo Liberation Army before NATO's bombing of Yugoslavia" [2].

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_Liberation_Army

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