The current situation in Burma.

[kogyi_99]

There are thousands of child soldiers in Burma (Myanmar) fighting for the government army as well as many other rebel groups.

here are a few pics


http://img144.imagevenue.com/loc547/th_51293_child1_547lo.jpg (http://img144.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=51293_child1_547lo.jpg)http://img40.imagevenue.com/loc486/th_51299_child2_486lo.jpg (http://img40.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=51299_child2_486lo.jpg)http://img41.imagevenue.com/loc379/th_51304_child3_379lo.jpg (http://img41.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=th_51304_child3_379lo.jpg)http://img28.imagevenue.com/loc410/th_51307_child_guerilla_410lo.jpg (http://img28.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=51307_child_guerilla_410lo.jpg)
http://img106.imagevenue.com/loc528/th_51316_child_guerilla001_528lo.jpg (http://img106.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=51316_child_guerilla001_528lo.jpg)http://img28.imagevenue.com/loc567/th_51322_child_soldiers_567lo.jpg (http://img28.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=51322_child_soldiers_567lo.jpg)

[Jarhead]

Screw those governments who let fight kids fight in their army:bash:
The rifles are almost bigger than the children

Jarhead

[Chris]

myanmar, sounds like the flight base in the top gun movie...

[kogyi_99]

some more pics.. these kids has to stand on ammo boxes so that they are tall enough to shoot at the enemy..


http://img106.imagevenue.com/loc574/th_59962_child11_574lo.jpg (http://img106.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=th_59962_child11_574lo.jpg)http://img104.imagevenue.com/loc545/th_59965_child12_545lo.jpg (http://img104.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=59965_child12_545lo.jpg)http://img40.imagevenue.com/loc567/th_59969_child13_567lo.jpg (http://img40.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=59969_child13_567lo.jpg)http://img145.imagevenue.com/loc312/th_59974_child_burma_knu_ap_300_312lo.jpg (http://img145.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=59974_child_burma_knu_ap_300_312lo.jpg)
http://img43.imagevenue.com/loc488/th_59980_child_knla_Burma26_488lo.jpg (http://img43.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=59980_child_knla_Burma26_488lo.jpg)

[kogyi_99]

suspected rebel child soldiers.. executed by government troops

http://img140.imagevenue.com/loc540/th_60047_child_knla_540lo.jpg (http://img140.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=60047_child_knla_540lo.jpg)

[kaizan]

Screw those governments who let fight kids fight in their army:bash:
The rifles are almost bigger than the children

Jarhead

Agreed. But arnt we forgetting that in places like Australia, UK, USA we let 17 year old and even 16 year old boys join the army in combat roles?

By defenition under 18 is a child, and in cases where you can not legally purchase alcohole until 21, your still classed as a child?

Interesting UK doc floating around about this (child soldiers). I expected it to be all these "3rd world" countries but it mainly focused on UK and such. I will try to find a link and post here.

Good pics.

[Jarhead]

But you are almost a man when you are 17 and those lil kids are between the ages of 11-14. And I guess that its a difference when you join the army like in the USA or UK because you do it on your own, in those countries you are forced to fight....

Jarhead

[kosse]

But you are almost a man when you are 17 and those lil kids are between the ages of 11-14. And I guess that its a difference when you join the army like in the USA or UK because you do it on your own, in those countries you are forced to fight....

Jarhead
17 is a mere teenage kid with little expreience of life and hardly mentally mature. However they make good material because they are going to do what they are told to without thinking about it too much (plus they don't really have balls to say no to a grown man).

[Jarhead]

But you have more experience than someone who is 3-4 years younger. And not everyone who is 17 is still a kid.

Jarhead

[kosse]

But you have more experience than someone who is 3-4 years younger. And not everyone who is 17 is still a kid.

Jarhead
Not everybody but in the army I noticed that many of ~20 year olds were far from adult. They acted like kids. There were guys who still seemed to need their moms to hold their hands. Well army was good for them to get their **** together.

[Jarhead]

I agree with you in that point

Jarhead

[Prodigal]

child soldier exist long itme ago... civil war in the US, WWII, in the Africas, et als.. this thing exist... its a need, its the reality. Only education, better economy and stable Govt will change and end this child soldiers.

[Lazarus]

What is the AK version on this picture.
http://img28.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=51307_child_guerilla_410lo.jpg

[coded121]

17 is a mere teenage kid with little expreience of life and hardly mentally mature. However they make good material because they are going to do what they are told to without thinking about it too much (plus they don't really have balls to say no to a grown man).

Well i joined the british army at 16 (16 and 9 months to be exact, the youngest age you can join) and it did me no harm. The British army will not let 16/17 year olds go into combat. Despite joining a infanty unit i was left behind while my regiment went on tour as i had just got out of training and was under 18.

[Kingswat]

However they make good material because they are going to do what they are told to without thinking about it too much .


exactly, and that's what the whole purpose of the child soldiers is, they can be very fanatical and ruthless.

[Createdeemcee]

Thats definately a .223 ak varient alot of galil features, but I cant find any info on it at all. Anyone??

[Blackburn]

Well i joined the british army at 16 (16 and 9 months to be exact, the youngest age you can join) and it did me no harm. The British army will not let 16/17 year olds go into combat. Despite joining a infanty unit i was left behind while my regiment went on tour as i had just got out of training and was under 18.


Oh yeah? Just 16?

Wow, thats really young. Never knew that folk can join with 16.
You get trough basic with older guys or just people in your age?

[goat89]

Usually with the same age I believe. In my country, some 16 year old boys voluntarily join the Army and receive training, BUT are not given a rifle until they are 17 years old according to our law.

[Lazarus]

I found this in archives.
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=69914&page=2

[kogyi_99]

the pics I posted so far are rebel boy soldiers.. it's hard to find the pics of government boy soldiers.. here's a burmese government boy soldier guarding a bridge with his G3 rifle

http://img21.imagevenue.com/loc457/th_27905_childsoldier2_457lo.jpg (http://img21.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=27905_childsoldier2_457lo.jpg)

[kogyi_99]

young girls as soldiers in rebel armies of Myanmar (Burma)


http://img137.imagevenue.com/loc451/th_28089_knla_woman_soldier_451lo.jpg (http://img137.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=28089_knla_woman_soldier_451lo.jpg)http://img134.imagevenue.com/loc438/th_28097_KNLAGirl_438lo.jpg (http://img134.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=28097_KNLAGirl_438lo.jpg)http://img140.imagevenue.com/loc517/th_28103_girls_517lo.jpg (http://img140.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=28103_girls_517lo.jpg)

[LaoSexMachine]

My dad said he saw alot of child soldiers in Laos when he was fighting the pathet Lao.

[kogyi_99]

This child, a soldier at 11, insisted that no one had forced him to fight. His parents had been killed by the enemy. Burma has the highest number of child soldiers in the world.


http://img154.imagevenue.com/loc501/th_29155_abc_501lo.jpg (http://img154.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=29155_abc_501lo.jpg)

[bbc100]

Why are the child rebels equipped with m16s rifles
where the government troops are only poorly equipped with AKs

[blueheaven79]

err maybe the ak has more fire power than the m-16 .using 7.62 round compare to the 5.56 and the old m-16 is well know to have ia during fighting.mag problem

[Prodigal]

young girls as soldiers in rebel armies of Myanmar (Burma)


http://img137.imagevenue.com/loc451/th_28089_knla_woman_soldier_451lo.jpg (http://img137.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=28089_knla_woman_soldier_451lo.jpg)http://img134.imagevenue.com/loc438/th_28097_KNLAGirl_438lo.jpg (http://img134.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=28097_KNLAGirl_438lo.jpg)http://img140.imagevenue.com/loc517/th_28103_girls_517lo.jpg (http://img140.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=28103_girls_517lo.jpg)


imagine... if these child soldiers (girls) will be captured by the enemy. hmmm.....

[Moose]

A child has no understanding of what is right or wrong for example 2 children sitting in a sandbox one child takes the others bucket and the other child hits back with a plastic shovel think of adults behaving like that. Thus you can get children to blindly follow by using yourself as a father figure and maybe by telling them lies of how only those who are supposed to die, die by bullets and that magical charms can protect them (many adults fighting in Africa still believe in those things, you have seen the Liberia photos…) The thing that is irritating is that western countries have used (I should say allowed) children to participate in fighting up till recently. It is interesting that in most countries you do your military service at 18-21 years of age. That age being the last stadium before the individual is strong enough mentally to not fall for group pressure. I guess it is harder to convince a full-grown man of 35 to do things that aren’t naturally supposed to be done.

[kogyi_99]

Captured burmese government boy soldier.. age around 13

http://img37.imagevenue.com/loc441/th_98476_abc_441lo.jpg (http://img37.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=98476_abc_441lo.jpg)

http://img108.imagevenue.com/loc477/th_98481_abcd_477lo.jpg (http://img108.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=98481_abcd_477lo.jpg)

[kogyi_99]

Group of captured burmese government soldiers.. all teenagers

http://img139.imagevenue.com/loc520/th_98682_prisoners_520lo.jpg (http://img139.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=98682_prisoners_520lo.jpg)

[kogyi_99]

imagine... if these child soldiers (girls) will be captured by the enemy. hmmm.....

I'm sure they'll be gang raped.. then tortured and killed.. maybe by child soldiers as well as adult troops..

http://img140.imagevenue.com/loc450/th_98892_knla_women_troops_450lo.jpg (http://img140.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=98892_knla_women_troops_450lo.jpg)

[kogyi_99]

Why are the child rebels equipped with m16s rifles
where the government troops are only poorly equipped with AKs

all rebel troops use all kind of weapons they can get.. not only M16 but also AKs and others, but they're mostly from Vietnam war era or maybe even earlier.. just a few are equipped with modern weapons.. most are old like these


http://img104.imagevenue.com/loc467/th_00521_ge15v_467lo.jpg (http://img104.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=00521_ge15v_467lo.jpg)http://img41.imagevenue.com/loc571/th_00527_knla_camp_571lo.jpg (http://img41.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=00527_knla_camp_571lo.jpg)http://img135.imagevenue.com/loc397/th_00536_karensoldier2_397lo.jpg (http://img135.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=00536_karensoldier2_397lo.jpg)

[ToyotaF1Fan]

What is the AK version on this picture.
http://img28.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=51307_child_guerilla_410lo.jpg

Looks very similar to the Finnish Valmet series but definitely has a different flash suppressor.

TF1

[kogyi_99]

http://img41.imagevenue.com/loc422/th_29988_child_knla_Burma38_422lo.jpg (http://img41.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=29988_child_knla_Burma38_422lo.jpg)http://img159.imagevenue.com/loc368/th_29995_child_KNLA_myanmar_368lo.jpg (http://img159.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=29995_child_KNLA_myanmar_368lo.jpg)http://img16.imagevenue.com/loc448/th_29999_Child_soldier__Burma_448lo.jpg (http://img16.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=29999_Child_soldier__Burma_448lo.jpg)
http://img9.imagevenue.com/loc325/th_30011_childp82_325lo.jpg (http://img9.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=30011_childp82_325lo.jpg)http://img102.imagevenue.com/loc401/th_30004_childp78_401lo.jpg (http://img102.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=30004_childp78_401lo.jpg)taking the puppy to battle?

[Khorde]

A child has no understanding of what is right or wrong for example 2 children sitting in a sandbox one child takes the others bucket and the other child hits back with a plastic shovel think of adults behaving like that.

Dalskog och Bobbo? :D

[kuneho]

I'm sure they'll be gang raped.. then tortured and killed.. maybe by child soldiers as well as adult troops..

http://img140.imagevenue.com/loc450/th_98892_knla_women_troops_450lo.jpg (http://img140.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=98892_knla_women_troops_450lo.jpg)

No one needs to be in the military to be gang banged. Civilians get banged by military all the time.

[kogyi_99]

No one needs to be in the military to be gang banged. Civilians get banged by military all the time.


very true !!

[sofa_king_kewl]

Rebel Girl

http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/6470/aye7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Boy Soldier

http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/273/dmz8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

sniper

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/9004/eth5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[sofa_king_kewl]

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/7341/51jq3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/5954/52rs1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/6936/54hc2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/5563/knlasoldierradiogw2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Chicken_bone]

Where are those M16A1's from?

and what are the scope mounted on it?

[sofa_king_kewl]

New recruits?
http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/7550/soldier11mb0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/1902/1151262732002016hz5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/4287/abcmp2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Ready to fight
http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/3586/1151099390591699rn6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/3562/1156322366555584ph9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[ArmoBlog]

18 year olds are kids, too.

Frankly, if it were up to me, no one would ever fight, but it's not. However, I think the minimum age should be 21 or over.

[SoldiA]

It is in fact one of our most cruel problems on mother earth.
Can you imagine as soldiers to stand in fight and suddenly a child soldier jumps around the corner and aims a rifle at you? I often thought about that situation. And i cannot get to a conclusion...

[Xaito]

its sad but in some areas of our world children just can't grow up normally - but in these areas life can be ****ed up for grown ups just as well - so I think child soldiers are not the real problem they are just a symptom of the real problems that have to be solved.

[Young-kiwi]

This child, a soldier at 11, insisted that no one had forced him to fight. His parents had been killed by the enemy. Burma has the highest number of child soldiers in the world.


http://img154.imagevenue.com/loc501/th_29155_abc_501lo.jpg (http://img154.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=29155_abc_501lo.jpg)


Sad, but you can understand why.
hatred of enemy, need to eat, need for a 'family'

[Bala_Mg]

It is in fact one of our most cruel problems on mother earth.
Can you imagine as soldiers to stand in fight and suddenly a child soldier jumps around the corner and aims a rifle at you? I often thought about that situation. And i cannot get to a conclusion...

We can only imagine, but Burmese soldiers faced and fought child soldiers for past 50 years of fighting. They have to live with it after killing childrens in battle. I bet a lot of them came back from frontline with some sort of mental problems.

[LRPV]

Perhaps if they weren't busy exterminating the ethnic groups they wouldn't have to face child soldiers?:-(

[sofa_king_kewl]

On the way to battle

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/448/275284845284beeb5e7bzt9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/2160/275284846a10d32e37abpd1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[thomas93190728]

Rule of Engagment to the child soldiers. Any different from the standard one?

[sofa_king_kewl]

Stolen Childhood


http://www.youtube.com/v/j4j3HhVNJ9Q (http://www.youtube.com/v/j4j3HhVNJ9Q)

http://www.youtube.com/v/j4j3HhVNJ9Q

[Bala_Mg]

Perhaps if they weren't busy exterminating the ethnic groups they wouldn't have to face child soldiers?:-(

Exterminating the ethnic groups? They "the burmese soldiers" have to follow orders. Lots of them dont like killin kids. They themselves have kids of their own. They're not robots. They do get messed up mentally and break down.

[Bala_Mg]

Rule of Engagment to the child soldiers. Any different from the standard one?

I'm guessin there's no difference. A 13 years old with an AK is same threat as a 21 years old with an AK.

those child soldiers had killed many adult troops in battle

[sofa_king_kewl]

Gathering at the Temple

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/8165/97584681hh6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Young monks on the way

http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/650/aafm6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/92/aaaep4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/5163/40732584hu9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Attack and destroy

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/2238/bbde6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


Notice the Cops and Soldiers just stand and watch

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/9733/bbbmm7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/7342/bbbcom2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[sofa_king_kewl]

New recruits

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/5730/275284844c72e0b20c4bwl4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Guarding the camp

http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/1881/1153801899120207nt9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Resting during a patrol

http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/2517/1153802321578355zp9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/2785/1153802189901437du5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Among adult rebel soldiers

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/618/1156326075912782rn3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[drakegoodman]

I wonder how they perform as 'soldiers'? I suppose it'd be difficult to obtain battlefield efficiency stats. Great pics at any rate. Cheers for postin' those.

[johnnylaw]

I thought Buddhism and Islam were religions of peace p-) . Whats next, the Mormon and Catholic brawl?

[SBL]

You may call it Myanmar, but it'll always be Burma to me.

[balalaika-san]

I thought Buddhism and Islam were religions of peace p-) . Whats next, the Mormon and Catholic brawl?
.......Mormon and Catholic are all belong to Christianism

Christian already destroyed enough pagan temples......

[SBL]

Christian already destroyed enough pagan temples......


You're wrong. Not nearly enough have been destroyed.

[Chounch McGavin]

I thought Buddhism and Islam were religions of peace p-)Practitioners of Buddhism have always been targeted.. These guys have been slaughtered by all of the past empires (Persians, Tibetans, Chinese, Arab nomads, etc.)

Good riddance of that mosque

[IraGlacialis]

What was the story behind the attack?

[MapleLeafUp]

good on them one less mosque in the world.

[AZRON]

Practitioners of Buddhism have always been targeted.. These guys have been slaughtered by all of the past empires (Persians, Tibetans, Chinese, Arab nomads, etc.)

Good riddance of that mosque

I agree but I guess enough is enough even for Buddhists. Payback time.

Remember how the Taliban destroyed the ancient Buddhas in eastern A-stan. Pure unwarranted cruel and disrespectfull hate.

[IraGlacialis]

good on them one less mosque in the world.
What a wonderfully hateful comment.

Granted that groups such as the Taliban suppressed other religions, especially the Vedic ones. That doesn't mean that every mosque should be destroyed.
****, the imbreds at Westboro like to cause emotion and psychological damage towards the mourners at funerals. Does that mean that every Calvanist church should be pillaged?
The Chinese sacked every religious center and killed every relgious leader inside. Does that mean that every Taoist shrine should be torched?
Until we know the complete story, please STFU.
By commiting that actions, they don't deserve to be called Buddhist monks.

[Chounch McGavin]

I agree but I guess enough is enough even for Buddhists. Payback time.

Remember how the Taliban destroyed the ancient Buddhas in eastern A-stan. Pure unwarranted cruel and disrespectfull hate.
Definitely. And video-recording it.. :bash:
Extremist scum

[Chounch McGavin]

What a wonderfully hateful comment.

Granted that groups such as the Taliban suppressed other religions, especially the Vedic ones. That doesn't mean that every mosque should be destroyed.
****, the imbreds at Westboro like to cause emotion and psychological damage towards the mourners at funerals. Does that mean that every Calvanist church should be pillaged?
The Chinese sacked every religious center and killed every relgious leader inside. Does that mean that every Taoist shrine should be torched?
Until we know the complete story, please STFU.
By commiting that actions, they don't deserve to be called Buddhist monks.
They don't deserved to be called Buddhist monks because you say so? Everything you noted can be interpreted differently..

[rhino]

what is the story, please, this does not fit the image of a buddist monk, at least I had

[IraGlacialis]

Well Burma is an overwhealming majority Buddhist country, while the Muslim pop is less than 5%. These monks can't throw the in usually legitimate repressed-by-fundamental-mullahs card. In fact:


Restrictions on Religious Freedom


The Government continued to show preference for Theravada Buddhism while controlling the organization and restricting the activities and expression of the monkhood ("sangha"), although some monks have resisted such control.
Most recently, authorities defrocked and arrested a group of 26 monks in December 2003 and sentenced them in February 2004 to jail terms of 7 years (18 years for the leader) for refusing to accept government donations of robes and other items.
....
Authorities have refused to approve requests for gatherings to celebrate traditional Muslim holidays and restricted the number of Muslims that can gather in one place. For instance, Muslim groups reported that authorities selected sites for the annual Eid al-Adha sacrifices and did not allow them to occur in Rangoon. Muslims also reported that the Eid al-Adha ceremonies were restricted to 3 hours. In October 2004, the Government revoked permission at the last moment for the Methodist Church of Lower Burma to hold its 125th anniversary gala event.
....Government authorities continued to prohibit Christian clergy from proselytizing in some areas. Christian groups reported that several times during the period covered by this report, local authorities denied applications for residency permits of known Christian ministers attempting to move into a new township. The groups indicated this was not a widespread practice but depended on the individual community and authority. Despite this, Christian groups reported that church membership was growing, even in strongly Buddhist parts of the country.
....

During the period covered by this report, there were no reports of the confiscation of Bibles, Qur'ans, or other religious materials. In 2003, authorities in Rangoon reportedly seized a shipment of Qur'ans illegally imported from Bangladesh. In 2002, the German-based company Good Books for All was allowed to distribute 10,000 Bibles in the country. Bibles and Qur'ans continued to be smuggled into the country.

State censorship authorities continued to enforce special restrictions on the local publication of the Bible, the Qur'an, and Christian and Muslim publications in general. The most onerous restriction was a list of over 100 prohibited words that the censors would not allow in Christian or Islamic literature because they are indigenous or Pali language terms long used in Buddhist literature. Many of these words have been used and accepted by some of the country's Christian and Muslim groups since the colonial period. Organizations that translate and publish non‑Buddhist religious texts were appealing these restrictions. In addition, according to other reports, the censors have objected to passages of the Old Testament and the Qur'an that they believe approve the use of violence against nonbelievers. There have been no reports of arrests or prosecutions for possession of any traditional religious literature in recent years.

The Government allowed members of all religious groups to establish and maintain links with coreligionists in other countries and to travel abroad for religious purposes, subject to restrictive passport and visa issuance practices, foreign exchange controls, and government monitoring that extended to all international activities by all citizens regardless of religion. The Government sometimes expedited its burdensome passport issuance procedures for Muslims making the Hajj or Buddhists going on pilgrimage to Bodhgaya, India, although it limited the number of pilgrims. During the period covered by this report, immigration and passport office officials continued to use the occasion of the Hajj to extort bribes from would-be travelers.

Among others...

For the whole thing, read http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/irf/2005/51506.htm

If a US goverment site sounds too biased, here are a few other sites dealing with treament of non-Buddhists and some unrecognised Buddist groups.
http://www.ohchr.org/english/countries/mm/index.htm
http://www.amnestyusa.org/document.php?id=ar
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Muslims_in_Myanmar


what is the story, please, this does not fit the image of a buddist monk, at least I had
I think this was the riot in 1997. Apparently, this is not the only incident. Hindus and Christians in the country worry about attacks as well.

[blueheaven79]

looks like burma is the only safe place for all buddist in the world

[IraGlacialis]

looks like burma is the only safe place for all buddist in the world
Thailand, Japan, and the US are extremely Buddhist-friendly nations.
If anything, even though the tinpot junta is Theraveda-biased, there has been persecution against other Buddhist groups.

[snoddy]

.......Mormon and Catholic are all belong to Christianism Christian already destroyed enough pagan temples......

catholics killed Christians.... and muslims...

not to get into a faith debate but theres a huge difference between catholics and Christians.... 325AD counsel of Nicaea?

[Bala_Mg]

Thailand, Japan, and the US are extremely Buddhist-friendly nations.
If anything, even though the tinpot junta is Theraveda-biased, there has been persecution against other Buddhist groups.

Also Cambodia and Laos are buddhist majority/friendly nations. Vietnam is somewhat buddhist-friendly even though many are catholic just like S.korea.
Sri Lanka is very buddhist but they're targeted by Tamil rebels who are Hindus. But it's maybe not just for religious differences.

[Bala_Mg]

As fas as I know, there hasn't been any riots against Hindus or Christians in Burma. Only the military is having conflict with etnic minority rebels who are christians. But in the civilian life, there's no problem.
There has been a major anti-chinese(communist) riot about 40 years ago and that was it.
But there are many fights and riots against muslims in burma. Burmese buddhists feel that muslims are dis-respectful to buddha and buddhist customs. Hindus are not exactly fond of muslims either, no surprise.

Here are a few reasons that started many fights and riots.

1-Muslim women washed their laundry and hang it to dry on buddhist temple ground, which is a big no no in buddhist culture. When politely asked to removed, they refused and argued. That led to a fight then a full grown riot.

2-A buddhist girl fell in love with a muslim boy and eloped with him. When the girl's parents and relatives found out, they came to the boy's parents' house to get their girl back. The muslim parents refused and basically begin the "forced" conversion to islam. That angered the buddhist neighbors and involved the students to start the arguing and start fighting. When the muslims came out fighting, a riot begun.

3-A monk and one of his helper(novice) went out around town to collect alms donations. When they stopped by a muslim man's property, he asked the monk and the boy in and then butchered them by cutting'em to pieces. That led to a hugh riot that killed many muslims and many businesses and mosques were burnt down.

These are just a few of the stories. There are many many more. Monks attacking the muslims are very rare just like these pics in this post. These are very young monks. Young monks are just like normal youths with short temper. Many are being monk for just short time as burmese culture requires every boys to become monk at least once in his life. I was one myself when I was 16 years old. I did it for a month.

I'm not sure what happened but for sure muslims had done something offensive to anger the buddhists again, in a buddhist country. You may says that I'm being biased but that's the truth.

Thailand is not the only buddhist country with muslim problem. We, the burmese have to live with them too.

[sofa_king_kewl]

I wonder how they perform as 'soldiers'? I suppose it'd be difficult to obtain battlefield efficiency stats. Great pics at any rate. Cheers for postin' those.

These kids are very good soldiers. Almost as good as professional soldiers. Trained and deciplined.
Nothing like those child soldiers in africa countries such as Liberia or Serria Leone.

[Skyman]

As fas as I know, there hasn't been any riots against Hindus or Christians in Burma. Only the military is having conflict with etnic minority rebels who are christians. But in the civilian life, there's no problem.
There has been a major anti-chinese(communist) riot about 40 years ago and that was it.
But there are many fights and riots against muslims in burma. Burmese buddhists feel that muslims are dis-respectful to buddha and buddhist customs. Hindus are not exactly fond of muslims either, no surprise.

Here are a few reasons that started many fights and riots.

1-Muslim women washed their laundry and hang it to dry on buddhist temple ground, which is a big no no in buddhist culture. When politely asked to removed, they refused and argued. That led to a fight then a full grown riot.

2-A buddhist girl fell in love with a muslim boy and eloped with him. When the girl's parents and relatives found out, they came to the boy's parents' house to get their girl back. The muslim parents refused and basically begin the "forced" conversion to islam. That angered the buddhist neighbors and involved the students to start the arguing and start fighting. When the muslims came out fighting, a riot begun.

3-A monk and one of his helper(novice) went out around town to collect alms donations. When they stopped by a muslim man's property, he asked the monk and the boy in and then butchered them by cutting'em to pieces. That led to a hugh riot that killed many muslims and many businesses and mosques were burnt down.

These are just a few of the stories. There are many many more. Monks attacking the muslims are very rare just like these pics in this post. These are very young monks. Young monks are just like normal youths with short temper. Many are being monk for just short time as burmese culture requires every boys to become monk at least once in his life. I was one myself when I was 16 years old. I did it for a month.

I'm not sure what happened but for sure muslims had done something offensive to anger the buddhists again, in a buddhist country. You may says that I'm being biased but that's the truth.

Thailand is not the only buddhist country with muslim problem. We, the burmese have to live with them too.

I never know that the situation will be like this!!!!

In the other part of Thailand, especially in Nontaburi, Ayudthaya, or Chaing Mai, Muslim and Buddhist are very kind to each other. I mean no tension between this two religions, except in deep south. (mainly from insurgency)

I don't wanna say that Musilm is the problematic people. But my suggestion is Muslim should open their mind and accept the world of defferent. Religion should not be used to isolate someone from the others.

[hasanito]

(...)
Here are a few reasons that started many fights and riots.

1-Muslim women washed their laundry and hang it to dry on buddhist temple ground, which is a big no no in buddhist culture. When politely asked to removed, they refused and argued. That led to a fight then a full grown riot.

2-A buddhist girl fell in love with a muslim boy and eloped with him. When the girl's parents and relatives found out, they came to the boy's parents' house to get their girl back. The muslim parents refused and basically begin the "forced" conversion to islam. That angered the buddhist neighbors and involved the students to start the arguing and start fighting. When the muslims came out fighting, a riot begun.

3-A monk and one of his helper(novice) went out around town to collect alms donations. When they stopped by a muslim man's property, he asked the monk and the boy in and then butchered them by cutting'em to pieces. That led to a hugh riot that killed many muslims and many businesses and mosques were burnt down.


Not that I am fond of muslims (or any other self-righteous religion for that matter, be that maybe Christian, Judaism etc...!!) BUT all above statements sound very biased and one sided. I bet the story from the other side paints entirely different picture and reality is quite likely to be somewhere in between!

Having done only few minutes of search on the internet, brings up many sources about junta regime in Myanmar (Burma) using the religion as tool to undermine opposition and/or create support among the people by orchestrating the violance against minority groups!
http://hrw.org/backgrounder/asia/burma-bck3.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Muslims_in_Myanmar (http://militaryphotos.net/forums/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Muslims_in_Myanmar)
http://hrw.org/backgrounder/asia/burma-bck5.htm


Thailand is not the only buddhist country with MUSLIM problem. We, the burmese have to live with them too.that statement alone is enough to see though the credibility of your above alleged news.


And, I'd have no doubt that MUSLIM in that statement would easily (and it seems already have been) changable with CHRISTIANS - HINDUS - JEWS or any other group, race or culture...

[HardThunder]

Man. What happen to the love. What happen to Buddhist Monks poring gas on themselves, and burning in protest.

It is a very, very bad day when Buddhist Monks run around looking for a fight.

What are we going to call this point in time in 10 or 20 years. The half a World War.

What next, start shooting people because they are just not Asian enough?

[sofa_king_kewl]

at this monks attackin the mosque incident, there were some witnesses saw some monks wearing military boots and carrying walkie talkie and hand phones under their robes suggesting that military(junta) has something to do with it

Here's the story

Anti-Muslim Riots in Mandalay (1997)
The racial tension in March 1997 between Buddhists and Muslims and the attack on Muslim properties was apparently masterminded by the ruling regime in Burma. The bronze Buddha statue in the Maha Myatmuni pagoda, originally from the Arakan, brought to Mandalay by King Bodawpaya in 1784 AD was renovated by the authorities. The Mahamyat Muni statue was broken open, leaving a gaping hole in the statue, and it was generally presumed that the regime was searching for the Padamya Myetshin, a legendary ruby that ensures victory in war to those who possess it.

On 16 March 1997 beginning at about 3:30 p.m. a mob of about 1,000/1,500 Buddhist monks and others shouted anti-Muslim slogans without provocation of any kind on the part of the Muslims. They targeted the mosques first for attack, followed by Muslim shop-houses and transportation vehicles in the vicinity of mosques, damaging, destroying, looting, and trampling, burning the religious books, committing acts of sacrilege. The area where the acts of damage, destruction, and lootings committed in Kaingdan, Mandalay.The unrest in Mandalay allegedly began after reports of an attempted rape of a girl by Muslim men. At least three people have been killed and around 100 monks arrested.

Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myanmar_Muslims

[sofa_king_kewl]

Anti-Muslim Riots in Taungoo(2001)
In 2001,Myo Pyauk Hmar Soe Kyauk Hla Tai (or) The Fear of Losing One's Race and many other anti-Muslim pamphlets were widely distributed by monks. Many Muslims feel that this exacerbated the anti-Muslim feelings that had been provoked by the destruction in Bamiyan, Afghanistan.
On May, 15, 2001, anti-Muslim riots broke out in Taungoo, Pegu division, resulting in the deaths of about 200 Muslims, in the destruction of 11 mosques and setting ablaze of over 400 houses. On May, 15, the first day of the anti-Muslim uprisings, about 20 Muslims who were praying in the Han Tha mosque were killed and some were beaten to death by the pro-junta forces. On May, 17, 2001, Lt. General Win Myint, Secretary No.3 of the SPDC and deputy Home and Religious minister arrived and curfew was imposed there in Taungoo until today, July, 12, 2001. All communication lines remain disconnected.
Buddhist monks demanded that the ancient Hantha Mosque in Taungoo be destroyed in retaliation for the destruction in Bamiyan.
On May, 18, however, Han Tha mosque and Taungoo Railway station mosque were razed to ground by bulldozers owned by the SPDC junta..The mosques in Taungoo remained closed as of May 2002. Muslims have been forced to worship in their homes. Local Muslim leaders complain that they are still harassed. After the violence, many local Muslims moved away from Taungoo to other nearby towns and as far away as Yangon. After two days of violence the military stepped in and the violence immediately ended.
There also were reports that local government authorities alerted Muslim elders in advance of the attacks and warned them not to retaliate to avoid escalating the violence. While the details of how the attacks began and who carried them out were unclear by year's end, the violence significantly heightened tensions between the Buddhist and Muslim communities.

Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myanmar_Muslims


YANGON, Myanmar -- A curfew has been imposed in a northern town of Myanmar where simmering tensions between Buddhist and Muslim residents erupted into rioting last week.
Members of the two communities in Toungoo attacked each other with sticks and stones, while several mosques were set on fire, a Yangon resident who returned from Toungoo said.
The resident who fled to neighboring Thailand spoke to the Associated Press on condition of anonymity. The resident said the Buddhists monks and laymen killed 4 Muslims and set fire to about 140 Muslim houses and 14 mosques.
Those Muslims killed including a 60-year-old woman. Eight mosques were destroyed.
Telephone lines to the town were disconnected, and the account could not be independently confirmed. A terse Myanmar government statement said "some clashes took place . . . after a brawl started between some locals last week."

Religious clashes

The Associated Press said a curfew has been imposed, and the "situation is under control and contained. An official investigation is in progress," the statement said, without elaborating.
Muslims comprise 3.9 percent of Myanmar's 51 million people, while Buddhists form nearly 89 percent.
Myanmar's military junta allows freedom of worship to all faiths, but clashes between people of different religions are not uncommon.
Toungoo, a trading town known for its betel nut crop, is on the highway to Myanmar's second largest city, Mandalay, and is 155 miles north of the capital, Yangon.

Ref:http://archives.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/asiapcf/southeast/05/22/myanmar.riot.curfew/index.html

[sofa_king_kewl]

Anti-Muslim Riots in Sittwe (2001)

There is constant tension between Buddhists and Muslims in Sittwe.The resentments are deeply rooted, and result from both communities feeling that they are under siege from the other. The violence in February 2001 flared up after an incident in which seven young monks refused to pay a Muslim stall holder for cakes they had just eaten. The Muslim seller, a woman, retaliated by beating one of the novices, said a Muslim eyewitness. Several more senior monks then came to protest and a brawl ensued, he said. One of the monks was hit over the head by the Muslim seller’s husband and started to bleed. Riots then broke out. A full- scale riot erupted after dusk and carried on for several hours. Buddhists poured gasoline on Muslim homes and properties and set them alight. More than thirty homes and a Muslim guesthouse were burned down.Police and soldiers reportedly stood by and did nothing to stop the violence initially.There are no reliable estimates of the death toll or the number of injuries. More than twenty died according to some Muslim activists. The fighting took place in the predominantly Muslim part of town and so it was predominantly Muslim property that was damaged.

Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myanmar_Muslims

[josh21x]

You're wrong. Not nearly enough have been destroyed.

As a Hindu, I find that a very hateful comment.

[perdurabo]

I'm Buddhist (Soto Zen) and i can't accept this, from one side Theravada in southern Asia is under constant "push" from Islam but this isn't what Buddha has thought us :(

[oldsoak]

Yet again, the problem is not so much the religion as it is with the individual.

[Chwyatt]

You're wrong. Not nearly enough have been destroyed.

Are there no 'religions of peace' out there?

[SomeGeek]

Yet again, the problem is not so much the religion as it is with the individual.

I would guess it is more the fault of the regime. Combat boots underneath government-bought robes, and all that. Those stories of insults and murders sound very suspect, even contrived.

Buddhist, Hindu, Muslim, Christian, Jewish, Agnostic, Atheist, whatever; most people are peaceful, though some may be more or less bigoted depending on how well they know people from other faiths.

[SBL]

Are there no 'religions of peace' out there?

I was just taking a swipe at the poster before me, but I understand sarcasm doesn't translate well over the internet.

[sofa_king_kewl]

This happened in 2003



Date : 2003-11-03
Myanmar places monks under curfew

Yangon, Nov. 03: - Myanmar's monks have been ordered to observe a curfew, and monasteries and mosques are under surveillance after violence between Buddhists and Muslims left a dozen people dead, officials and witnesses said yesterday.

The unrest broke out in the central town of Kyaukse on Oct 19 and spread to the city of Mandalay and then on to the capital Yangon, unnerving the ruling military which has rolled out a sweeping security crackdown.

Bangladesh has also tightened security along its frontier with Myanmar, fearing a new influx of Myanmar's Rohingya Muslims in the wake of the communal riots across the border.

Myanmar's secretive junta confirmed last week that there had been 'disturbances... between people professing different faiths'. It said Kyaukse had been slapped with a general curfew, and the trouble had died down.

Eyewitness reports obtained by AFP said the trouble began in Kyaukse during mid-October festivals to mark the Buddhist Lent, including competitions and festivities centred on Buddhist monasteries.

After a minor dispute over one of the competitions, a stone was thrown into a monastery compound, sparking anger among the monks who wrongly believed the occupants of a nearby mosque were responsible.

Several Muslims were injured in the ensuing rampage while others, fearing for their lives, were taken into the homes of their Buddhist neighbours for protection, the witnesses said.

Despite the resolution of that conflict, exaggerated rumours of the trouble spread to politically active monks in Mandalay who travelled to Kyaukse, sparking riots and fires which left a dozen people dead, including a pregnant woman.

The ruling junta, which is ever fearful of public unrest that could flare into protests against the regime, took swift action against the Buddhist clergy, which have been involved in political rebellion in the past.

Buddhism's ruling body, the Sangha, issued a notification banning all monks from leaving their monasteries between 7pm and 4am, a township official told AFP.

'We have also summoned Muslim leaders and trustees of all the mosques in Yangon and warned them against taking matters into their own hands by way of safeguarding their respective mosques,' he said.

Witnesses said that monks seen patronising tea-shops after dark were rounded up by security personnel in the satellite town of Dagon in eastern Yangon.

In Yangon and Mandalay, the authorities secured permission to search monasteries for unauthorised pamphlets and other documents deemed to be inflammatory to race relations.

- The Straits Times: AFP -

[HangPC2]

WTF !!!!! similiar Tragedy In India (Ayodhya)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babri_Masjid

[LaoSexMachine]

This happened in 2003



Date : 2003-11-03
Myanmar places monks under curfew

Yangon, Nov. 03: - Myanmar's monks have been ordered to observe a curfew, and monasteries and mosques are under surveillance after violence between Buddhists and Muslims left a dozen people dead, officials and witnesses said yesterday.

The unrest broke out in the central town of Kyaukse on Oct 19 and spread to the city of Mandalay and then on to the capital Yangon, unnerving the ruling military which has rolled out a sweeping security crackdown.

Bangladesh has also tightened security along its frontier with Myanmar, fearing a new influx of Myanmar's Rohingya Muslims in the wake of the communal riots across the border.

Myanmar's secretive junta confirmed last week that there had been 'disturbances... between people professing different faiths'. It said Kyaukse had been slapped with a general curfew, and the trouble had died down.

Eyewitness reports obtained by AFP said the trouble began in Kyaukse during mid-October festivals to mark the Buddhist Lent, including competitions and festivities centred on Buddhist monasteries.

After a minor dispute over one of the competitions, a stone was thrown into a monastery compound, sparking anger among the monks who wrongly believed the occupants of a nearby mosque were responsible.

Several Muslims were injured in the ensuing rampage while others, fearing for their lives, were taken into the homes of their Buddhist neighbours for protection, the witnesses said.

Despite the resolution of that conflict, exaggerated rumours of the trouble spread to politically active monks in Mandalay who travelled to Kyaukse, sparking riots and fires which left a dozen people dead, including a pregnant woman.

The ruling junta, which is ever fearful of public unrest that could flare into protests against the regime, took swift action against the Buddhist clergy, which have been involved in political rebellion in the past.

Buddhism's ruling body, the Sangha, issued a notification banning all monks from leaving their monasteries between 7pm and 4am, a township official told AFP.

'We have also summoned Muslim leaders and trustees of all the mosques in Yangon and warned them against taking matters into their own hands by way of safeguarding their respective mosques,' he said.

Witnesses said that monks seen patronising tea-shops after dark were rounded up by security personnel in the satellite town of Dagon in eastern Yangon.

In Yangon and Mandalay, the authorities secured permission to search monasteries for unauthorised pamphlets and other documents deemed to be inflammatory to race relations.

- The Straits Times: AFP -





Half ass "Buddhist". What kind of monk gets angry?

[madmonkey37]

Kind of reminds me of the mosque in Nepal that was ransacked after the 10 or so Nepalese TCN's were executed in Iraq a couple years ago.

[Henry's Fork]

Half ass "Buddhist". What kind of monk gets angry?


Not a good scene at all. I wonder what sect they are from?

Being a half assed Buddhist myself, I asked the same question. Maybe the fact of being one of Islams main targets of aggression since 600 AD has something to do with it? Who knows? People are still people even if their faith comes before reality, pissing off someone is quite easy and will happen, religion or not.

[Hollis]

Not a good scene at all. I wonder what sect they are from?

Being a half assed Buddhist myself, I asked the same question. Maybe the fact of being one of Islams main targets of aggression since 600 AD has something to do with it? Who knows? People are still people even if their faith comes before reality, pissing off someone is quite easy and will happen, religion or not.


Kinds of sounds like to me, a old Popeye quote, "Enough is enough, I can stands no more." Globally looks like a "group" is wearing out their welcome.

[AZRON]

Now let me get this straight .

Muslims are being disrespectfull and are engaged in voilent disputes with Buddhists. Damn Buddhists.

Muslims are being disrespectful and are engaged in violent disputes with Hindus. Damn Hindus.

Muslims are being disrespectful and are engaged in violent disputes with Jews in the Holy Lands. Damn Jews.

Muslims are being disrespectful and are engaged in violent disputes with black African tribal sects. Damn ********* .

Muslims are being disrespectful and are engaged in violent disputes with Orthdox Christians . Damn Eastern Catholics.

Muslims are being disrespectful and are engaged in violent disputes with Coptic Christians . Damn Coptics.

Muslims are being disrespectful and are engaged in violent disputes with western Christians . Damn Brits and Americans.

Sunni Muslims are being disrespectful and are engaged in violent disputes with Shia Muslims.Damn , ah ? Ah ? Ah ? HMMMMMMMMMMM??????

Shia Muslims are being disrespectful and are engaged with violent disputes with Sunni Muslims. Oh boy !

Is it just me or does anyone else see a potential pattern here ?

[Chounch McGavin]

Now let me get this straight .

Muslims are being disrespectfull and are engaged in voilent disputes with Buddhists. Damn Buddhists.

Muslims are being disrespectful and are engaged in violent disputes with Hindus. Damn Hindus.

Muslims are being disrespectful and are engaged in violent disputes with Jews in the Holy Lands. Damn Jews.

Muslims are being disrespectful and are engaged in violent disputes with black African tribal sects. Damn ********* .

Muslims are being disrespectful and are engaged in violent disputes with Orthdox Christians . Damn Eastern Catholics.

Muslims are being disrespectful and are engaged in violent disputes with Coptic Christians . Damn Coptics.

Muslims are being disrespectful and are engaged in violent disputes with western Christians . Damn Brits and Americans.

Sunni Muslims are being disrespectful and are engaged in violent disputes with Shia Muslims.Damn , ah ? Ah ? Ah ? HMMMMMMMMMMM??????

Shia Muslims are being disrespectful and are engaged with violent disputes with Sunni Muslims. Oh boy !

Is it just me or does anyone else see a potential pattern here ?
Hey, I recieved an infraction for "insulting" another religion.. I believe it was my first post in this thread, so be careful

Anyways I completely agree with you. Islam is a dangerous religion. The Qu'ran clearly states to "behead" or "kill" anyone who doesn't follow 'them'.. Despite interpretation and literal flaws, you can't get any more pro-violent than that.

So much more I would like to write but discussing these topics is a MOTHERFVCKING waste on this forum from low-life internet trolls who call themselves mods.

[snoddy]

:bash: when MONKS ATTACK, next on Jerry Springer.... :bash:

btw i love those little guys.... theyre awsome....

http://www.taichitom.com/pics/Special%20Logo/monk.gif



awsome pic btw....
http://www.ruf.rice.edu/%7Eabroad/photos2006/images/PCpics/Prayers_in_Orange.JPG

[Suicaine]

They should try to be a bit more Buddhist about it :lol:

[Bala_Mg]

They should try to be a bit more Buddhist about it :lol:

Most monks (and civilians) in myanmar are very buddhist and peace-loving. It's the young monks that have problem with controlling their temper. As I mentioned before, it's the burmese custom/culture requirement that young men to be a monk for short period of time in his young life so that the parents can collect merit.
So anytime of the year, you can find those young monks in thousands in number thruout the country in various temples. They are basically just young civilian men in temporary robes. They still thinks like regular people.

there are, however, thousands of monks who follow the real monkhood and lead a peaceful life.

[HardThunder]

Most monks (and civilians) in myanmar are very buddhist and peace-loving. It's the young monks that have problem with controlling their temper. As I mentioned before, it's the burmese custom/culture requirement that young men to be a monk for short period of time in his young life so that the parents can collect merit.
So anytime of the year, you can find those young monks in thousands in number thruout the country in various temples. They are basically just young civilian men in temporary robes. They still thinks like regular people.

there are, however, thousands of monks who follow the real monkhood and lead a peaceful life.

Thank you. I had forgotten about this. They do things like this in other countries. Basically in short they are not monks, but students.

[Desertpilot]

.......Mormon and Catholic are all belong to Christianism

Christian already destroyed enough pagan temples......


Mormon's are NOT Christian.

[khukuri]

Kind of reminds me of the mosque in Nepal that was ransacked after the 10 or so Nepalese TCN's were executed in Iraq a couple years ago.


not only one mosque, all shops ans houses in central Kathmandu, thamel that had anything to do with either Muslims or arabs got torched down and some people were killed, mainly Nepalese muslims.

[HardThunder]

Mormon's are NOT Christian.

It is best for me just to say Yes, and no. Yes they read and follow the new testament, but they also have the Book of Mormon. With out going into who dug what up, and all. In short Mormon is based on other information that predicates Jesus was in a bunch of other places around the world also, and that some understandings had been lost.

[HardThunder]

not only one mosque, all shops ans houses in central Kathmandu, thamel that had anything to do with either Muslims or arabs got torched down and some people were killed, mainly Nepalese muslims.

You have something to support this? All I have seen is a picture of guys in orange, some with ors, at a place that does not look like a place monks would normally be found.

[snoddy]

Buddhists Monks killed Muslims?

heres a monk gettin fed up with a muslim :backhand:
he gives the OK to do what he did.....

[khukuri]

You have something to support this? All I have seen is a picture of guys in orange, some with ors, at a place that does not look like a place monks would normally be found.

We are talking about a different thing in nepal, read the what Im replying to before answering.

[HardThunder]

We are talking about a different thing in nepal, read the what Im replying to before answering.


Ok I misunderstood. I did read it, but did not pick up on the change of direction.

[maa3057]

I thought Buddhism and Islam were religions of peace p-) . Whats next, the Mormon and Catholic brawl?

That'll never happen, brotha ;)

[valtrex]

...
Muslims are being disrespectful and are engaged in violent disputes with Orthdox Christians . Damn Eastern Catholics...

Orthodox Christians are not Eastern Catholics

[HardThunder]

Orthodox Christians are not Eastern Catholics

:cantbeli:


Eastern Orthodox are in fact "Eastern Orthodox Catholics"

Quick history.
The Eastern Orthodox Church (sometimes called Greek Orthodox, Russian Orthodox, etc.) is a single, theologically unified, multinational Christian community that views itself as:

* The historical, unbroken continuation of the original Christian community established by Jesus Christ and the Twelve Apostles, having maintained unbroken the link between its clergy and the Apostles by means of Apostolic Succession and Sacred Tradition.
* The Church which has never fallen into error nor deviated from the beliefs and traditions of the original Christian body, but rather has gone to great lengths to preserve them for future generations. All theological concepts, all explanations and expansions are compared to and validated by the original core beliefs; no deviation is allowed.
* the church which most closely adheres to the canons of the first seven ecumenical councils held between the 4th and the 8th centuries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Orthodox

[valtrex]

:cantbeli:


Eastern Orthodox are in fact "Eastern Orthodox Catholics"

Quick history.
The Eastern Orthodox Church (sometimes called Greek Orthodox, Russian Orthodox, etc.) is a single, theologically unified, multinational Christian community that views itself as:

* The historical, unbroken continuation of the original Christian community established by Jesus Christ and the Twelve Apostles, having maintained unbroken the link between its clergy and the Apostles by means of Apostolic Succession and Sacred Tradition.
* The Church which has never fallen into error nor deviated from the beliefs and traditions of the original Christian body, but rather has gone to great lengths to preserve them for future generations. All theological concepts, all explanations and expansions are compared to and validated by the original core beliefs; no deviation is allowed.
* the church which most closely adheres to the canons of the first seven ecumenical councils held between the 4th and the 8th centuries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Orthodox

Are you an Orthodox Christian?
Because I am & as an Orthodox Christian I find it misleading to Call the Orthodox, Eastern Catholics. No, we're not eastern catholics; eastern catholics (or byzantine catholics) are those whose traditions are based on the style of Constantinople but are in union with the church of Rome. And btw, avoid using wikipedia as your source (although nowhere in the wikipedia article you have just posted, Orthodox are called Eastern Catholics). Try this (http://www.synaxis.org/sschool/Orthodox_Church.html) for more information.
@mods:
I apologize, I do not want to derail the thread.

[sofa_king_kewl]

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[IanSolo]

I thought Buddhism and Islam were religions of peace p-) . Whats next, the Mormon and Catholic brawl?


Islam religion of peace????????? whaaaaattt?????????? In wich fiction movie???

[sofa_king_kewl]

Cleaning up after rampage
I guess this mosque didn't get burnt down

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/6452/damagedmosquehu2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/7997/damagedmosque2nq9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[helomech]

Maybe the Buddhists have just had enough of these f_ucksticks who've hijacked Islam and are tired of being the targets of attacks;I'm sure they have not forgotten about Bamian....

[Bala_Mg]

Thank you. I had forgotten about this. They do things like this in other countries. Basically in short they are not monks, but students.

You're welcome sir ! :)

[HardThunder]

valtrex

Try not talking about things you do not understand. Apples, and Apples are in fact apples. As for Constantin. He was western, that, and he is why westerners have sabbath on the wrong day. As for using what I did, I did so because it just so happens to be correct. Do not every play game about silly things, and trying to change the topic into some deranged internet fight about how your flavor of something is best. The US has about 2,000 versions of so called Christians, and all of them say they are the way. 1,900 of them do not even follow what they say they do, and the rest have rewritten the bible, and God to follow in their foot steps.

[valtrex]

valtrex

Try not talking about things you do not understand. Apples, and Apples are in fact apples. As for Constantin. He was western, that, and he is why westerners have sabbath on the wrong day. As for using what I did, I did so because it just so happens to be correct. Do not every play game about silly things, and trying to change the topic into some deranged internet fight about how your flavor of something is best. The US has about 2,000 versions of so called Christians, and all of them say they are the way. 1,900 of them do not even follow what they say they do, and the rest have rewritten the bible, and God to follow in their foot steps.

uhh??
In English please...
And please do not lecture people you do not know who they are or their studies...OK? And for things you do not know either, OK?
(just a friendly suggestion)

The US has about 2,000 versions of so called Christians, and all of them say they are the way. 1,900 of them do not even follow what they say they do, and the rest have rewritten the bible, and God to follow in their foot steps.
I don't care about the internal US affairs, or what's happening with the 2,000 or so denominations in the US...don't play clever without knowing **** about the rest of the world

[phoebus]

Eastern Orthodox are in fact "Eastern Orthodox Catholics"

Quick history.
The Eastern Orthodox Church (sometimes called Greek Orthodox, Russian Orthodox, etc.) is a single, theologically unified, multinational Christian community that views itself as:

* The historical, unbroken continuation of the original Christian community established by Jesus Christ and the Twelve Apostles, having maintained unbroken the link between its clergy and the Apostles by means of Apostolic Succession and Sacred Tradition.
* The Church which has never fallen into error nor deviated from the beliefs and traditions of the original Christian body, but rather has gone to great lengths to preserve them for future generations. All theological concepts, all explanations and expansions are compared to and validated by the original core beliefs; no deviation is allowed.
* the church which most closely adheres to the canons of the first seven ecumenical councils held between the 4th and the 8th centuries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Orthodox

You're talking nonsense and making little theories about issues you have zero understanding. This is a major religious insult and an attempt to instigate religious hatred, which I will not tolerate to be expressed against my own religion.

Orthodox Christians ARE NOT "Eastern Orthodox Catholics" by any means. So stop this BS and open a book, not wikipedia*.



*which by the way never claimed this insane fabrication of yours.

[goldrake]

i made some travels in Indochina, and i like the people, they alwais smile and are very kind, even when they live in poverty, never envious or angry alwais help you if you'r in trouble, also very tolerant with strangers and other religions. It's the buddha's teaching, and i think the true buddist have forgotten and forgiven Bamian, or whatever happened in the past. So theese are not true buddhist monks, or maybe are too young, to became buddhist you need years of studying, reflection and meditation, if you hurt anyone or anything you failed

[HangPC2]

Cleaning up after rampage
I guess this mosque didn't get burnt down

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Rohingya People


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rohingya

[hasanito]

(...)
This is a major religious insult and an attempt to instigate religious hatred, which I will not tolerate to be expressed against my own religion.

Orthodox Christians ARE NOT "Eastern Orthodox Catholics" by any means. So stop this BS and open a book, not wikipedia*.
*which by the way never claimed this insane fabrication of yours.


Your reply way too much aggressive and caries no insight or information worth looking.

Views differ, so does the sources for these views. The instant you start claiming insult to your religion, can't say/do this or that, because you're feeling offended - followed by swears and insults - then you're mirroring what those idiots in middle east/asia are doing every time someone in west writes/publishes an article or even draws a caricature.


Frankly, my personal, purely observational experience, eastern/orthodox Christians have a lot of similarities to Muslims, be that their style of self righteous devotion to their faith OR closeness of their mind to differing opinions or ideas (or their reaction to those).

This is not a generalisation or factual comment, just pure limited observation.
You may not like it but I am open to discussion!

PS. I think wikipedia is a great resource to start a researching into any topic!:)

[valtrex]

Your reply way too much aggressive and caries no insight or information worth looking.
Views differ, so does the sources for these views. The instant you start claiming insult to your religion, can't say/do this or that, because you're feeling offended - followed by swears and insults - then you're mirroring what those idiots in middle east/asia are doing every time someone in west writes/publishes an article or even draws a caricature

I'm sorry you found our reactions (phoebus' & mine) as unnecessary or with inappropriate force. After consideration, I agree that at least me, have reacted with emotional display, even with sensationalism...
...yet, if someone knows nothing about the other's religion, I think it is at least unscientific to speak or write "ex cathedra", about issues he has zero understanding of, or-even worse-misconceptions. On the other hand, we can speak somewhat authoritatively, because we live in Orthodoxy, we are saturated with it.
Please bear in mind also, that for us Greeks (I'm sure the same thing applies to the Serbs, the Arab Orthodox Christians & the Bulgarians who went through the same situation), it was imperative that Greece (or Serbia, or Bulgaria) would survive as a Nation under the 400 or 500 years of the Ottoman rule. From the beginning of the 15th century to the middle of the 16th-early 17th century (the dark ages of Greece), for the great mass of illiterate peasants scattered throughout this small peninsula & the surrounding islands, in order to preserve its Greekness (or Hellenism if you will) intact, two pillars existed: The Christian Faith and the Language; and both were threasured inside our Noah's ark, the Orthodox Church. I can understand that for a westerner, this is ubsurd; but not for us. I see my Orthodox faith as a legacy passed on by my ancestors who clung to it tenaciously, very often at personal risk.


Frankly, my personal, purely observational experience, eastern/orthodox Christians have a lot of similarities to Muslims, be that their style of self righteous devotion to their faith OR closeness of their mind to differing opinions or ideas (or their reaction to those)
OK, feel free to believe what ever you like...


PS. I think wikipedia is a great resource to start a researching into any topic!
For the love of God, no, avoid Wikipedia at all costs ;)

[HardThunder]

PS. I think wikipedia is a great resource to start a researching into any topic!:)

I am a member of wikipedia, but I only use it as a source if it is correct, and even then I count it as about two levels off from CNN, Baba's home page, and the like.

But yes your understanding, and perception is good. 3 points

[LaoSexMachine]

Most monks (and civilians) in myanmar are very buddhist and peace-loving. It's the young monks that have problem with controlling their temper. As I mentioned before, it's the burmese custom/culture requirement that young men to be a monk for short period of time in his young life so that the parents can collect merit.
So anytime of the year, you can find those young monks in thousands in number thruout the country in various temples. They are basically just young civilian men in temporary robes. They still thinks like regular people.

there are, however, thousands of monks who follow the real monkhood and lead a peaceful life.

Same thing in Lao culture. When you are young you have to go live in the temple for a week or two. The young just do it to satisfy their parents. More like summer camp and they are not monks. Just bald kids in saffron robes.

[snoddy]

heres a short Christian lesson for all of you and you can take from this what you want........

Jesus had 12 Apostles, they went around and taught things to people, Jesus died, rose again and went to heaven, said he'd be back... so the apostles went around and taught Christ and all he taught them, they called it witnessing to people. on the day of Pentecost Peter got the Holy Ghost and preached repentance and baptism, emerged or dunked under water like a submarine. so again the apostles went around and taught that too....

theres only 1 church, thats jesus's church its the teachings they taught.
when 2 or more people are together talking about him he is there in the midst of them.

pretty simple teachings it is harder to live by them, but thats it, everything else is nonsense.....

if a christian went around and killed people for jesus, that would be kinda silly since he wouldnt even let peter protect him when he went to the cross, jesus didnt like fighting or killing so its not of jesus to do that.

the catholics killed people, alot of people, even christians, they threw them in the lions den to be killed and we all know what they did to the muslims.

so lets just relax about calling orthodox, mormons,catholics whatever denomination chrsitian. christians have their own problems to worry about....

[IraGlacialis]

Can we all just agree that people will be douchbags to each other no matter what creed, religion, or sect they come from?

[LaoSexMachine]

Can we all just agree that people will be douchbags to each other no matter what creed, religion, or sect they come from?

Yep. Being a Buddhist doesn't make you better then the next guy.

[HardThunder]

Can we all just agree that people will be douchbags to each other no matter what creed, religion, or sect they come from?

My Cult is better then your cult, as is the way my cult believes, and teaches.

I have always found it funny that some many just see what is around them, and never look outside. You of course are correct. I would also point out that good people do, do bad things. They do so for any number of reasons.

[goldrake]

yes of course every people around the world have done disgusting things, mine included, and we can also say every people is good, no one want war, destruction, or never see theyr sons come back... every one want peace a home a family... but only a few try to understand and respect others, it's overall a question of fear, and religion is often used as a opportunity to destroy what is diverse

[snoddy]

yes of course every people around the world have done disgusting things, mine included, and we can also say every people is good, no one want war, destruction, or never see theyr sons come back... every one want peace a home a family... but only a few try to understand and respect others, it's overall a question of fear, and religion is often used as a opportunity to destroy what is diverse

youre right... and if i wasnt there in Iraq trying to help the very iraqi people you speak of achieve just that, then i was only there to help make sure my friends got home safe and no other reason.

i know not all countries want to be americanized but they do want the freedoms we have and the liberty to go anywhere and do anything they want with their families, knowing nothing will happen to them. i wanted to help those iraqi civilians.....

[goldrake]

every country has its own identity, like everybody of us, the best way to help someone it's not try to change it.
it's a duty to help others when you are in the conditions to do it, and one day maybe we all understand we are only one thing, and no need to have fear

[snoddy]

i hear ya goldrake,

it just makes no sense to me why people dont see it this way:

iraq is about the size of texas (i guess) and if an iraqi civilian wanted to go to the other side of it, or go anywhere in it, he and his family may get killed, tortured or raped, right now, today, tomorrow or even yesterday.

while pretty much in every other country you can do this without that fear.
yes i know theres crazies that would do this randomly everywhere, but you get the point.

[goldrake]

yes...this happen in a country without a real civil structure, that works, it's like a no one land. the military forces are not enough, the rest of the world think of their businness, ecc...

[phoebus]

Your reply way too much aggressive and caries no insight or information worth looking.

Views differ, so does the sources for these views. The instant you start claiming insult to your religion, can't say/do this or that, because you're feeling offended - followed by swears and insults - then you're mirroring what those idiots in middle east/asia are doing every time someone in west writes/publishes an article or even draws a caricature.

It's not a matter of viewpoint or opinion but the difference in the current state of affairs.

In the same manner you can't call a Lutheran or Protestant as "Catholic", you can't call Orthodox Christians as Catholics. Trying to promote the opposite is by all means a BS attempt; unfortunately. Among other differencies, the supremacy and status of the pope of Rome is not recognised.

In addition, it is indeed an great insult, I was indeed offended by how this person stood by his wrong interpretation and finally I openly expressed that I was offended; so poeple are carefull of their words.

If you think I was agressive, you should probably man up a bit. I will not tolerate ingorants running around and re-defining my faith plus the respective culture behind it and replacing it with rubbish terms of the sort: Eastern Orthodox Catholicism.*


Frankly, my personal, purely observational experience, eastern/orthodox Christians have a lot of similarities to Muslims, be that their style of self righteous devotion to their faith OR closeness of their mind to differing opinions or ideas (or their reaction to those).

Frankly, you have an unclear picture of the situation. Calling an Orthodox Christian as Catholic is not a different opinion or idea, it's just a mistake. Both religions differ and hence the two different terms. And no, there are not many similarities with Muslims in any of those points you're trying to put through. Probably when people "offer new ideas" about other religions they should be more knowledgible about the general situation, otherwise they offend the beleivers plus their own intelligence.


*And the hint that Greek Orthodox Church is in any way connected with such a monstrosity.

[sofa_king_kewl]

Same thing in Lao culture. When you are young you have to go live in the temple for a week or two. The young just do it to satisfy their parents. More like summer camp and they are not monks. Just bald kids in saffron robes.

I did not know that. Is it the same in Thailand and Cambodia?

[HardThunder]

I did not know that. Is it the same in Thailand and Cambodia?

At one time it was true of most of the world that the young before manhood would have to have up to three years of Religious training ( of course only those capable of paying). It is a poor state of affairs we see today around the world at a time when we should have more understanding, acceptance, respect, and appreciation of each other, and each others culture because of or growing global communication, it seems as many have found more reason to be less so. Creating reasons to be less accepting, and appreciated then ever before.

It seems as if the old standard of those on the other side of the hill are not like us, and there for unworthy of our respect, and consideration is even more powerful to some then ever before.

At lest most of us have found unity, respect, and consideration for not only each other, but others as well in this topic. For that I keep my hope for a better tomorrow, and thank those of you that have shown this to be true.

[sofa_king_kewl]

12 Years olds

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[Masai]

this kind of thing happens all over africa aswell.

horrible reality of war

[sofa_king_kewl]

Future fighters?

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[Bala_Mg]

this kind of thing happens all over africa aswell.

horrible reality of war

Also in Central america and middle east?

[sofa_king_kewl]

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Young Girls in training

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and boys

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[sofa_king_kewl]

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[sofa_king_kewl]

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[sofa_king_kewl]

Defiant monks took to the streets in Burma today, facing down teargas and guns as they took a stand against the generals that hold Burma in their grip.


Thousands of the Buddhist monks marched through the Myanmar city of Sittwe today, a day after soldiers fired tear gas and warning shots to scatter a similar protest against the ruling generals, a witness said. "At least 2,000 monks are marching very peacefully, just chanting prayers and holy scriptures. No slogans, no demands," one witness in the northwestern coastal city said.
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[sofa_king_kewl]

The march, one of several in response to a call for a nationwide religious boycott of ruling military, started with 500 Buddhist monks but grew quickly as ordinary men and women - some of them Muslims - joined in.

(looks like buddhists and muslims are getting along better)

[sofa_king_kewl]

A similar protest was held in Bago, 80 kilometers, or 50 miles, north of Yangon, where exiled groups reported 1,000 monks marching to the town's pagoda.
Hundreds of monks also rallied in Chauk, Kyaukpadaung, Aung Lan and Pakokku, witnesses said.
The anti-government protests began Aug. 19 after the government raised fuel prices by as much as 500 percent, putting the squeeze on already impoverished citizens. The protests have continued despite the detention of more than 100 demonstrators and the rough treatment of others.

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[XxDrAg0nxX]

Wow... they look like a long line of marching red ants rofl

[futurepilot2004]

Wow... they look like a long line of marching red ants rofl

Not really no.

[Tammerfors]

The Eastern Orthodox Church (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Orthodox_Church) also identifies itself as Catholic, as in the title of The Longer Catechism of the Orthodox, Catholic, Eastern Church (http://www.tserkovnost.org/catechism_filaret/catechism_filaret-1.html).

[DavidDCM]

Now that's Buddhism we can talk about. Not this hollywood vegan "Don't hurt no ants it's your grandma" Bullsh*t. ^^

[sofa_king_kewl]

Now that's Buddhism we can talk about. Not this hollywood vegan "Don't hurt no ants it's your grandma" Bullsh*t. ^^


I just hope they won't start doing this

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[sofa_king_kewl]

Monk protests enter 5th day

YANGON, Myanmar - About 10,000 Buddhist monks marched through Myanmar's central city of Mandalay on Saturday, witnesses said, in one of the largest demonstrations against the country's repressive military regime since a democratic uprising in 1988.
Monks from various monasteries started their march in Mandalay — a hotbed for activist monks — while about 1,000 Buddhist monks began marching from Yangon's Shwedagon Pagoda, the country's most revered shrine and a historic center for protest movements. From there, witnesses said, they planned to march to downtown Yangon, which is the nation's largest city.

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YANGON, Myanmar - Monday Sept.24, 2007 As many as 100,000 anti-government protesters led by a phalanx of Buddhist monks marched Monday through Yangon, the largest crowd to demonstrate in Myanmar's biggest city since a 1988 pro-democracy uprising that was brutally crushed by the military.
From the front of the march, witnesses could see a one-mile stretch of eight-lane road was filled with people.
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Aung San Suu Kyi praying with the monks while guarded by riot police. First times she's seen in public in 10 months. She has been under house arrest since 1996
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Protests continue to grow bigger
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[sofa_king_kewl]

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[flanker7]

Christ! That's so sad....

[soutikghosh]

Is Myanmar short of eligible military age population?

[soutikghosh]

Where do they get these weapons and finance from?

[LaoSexMachine]

Burma march largest in 20 years
Burma's largest anti-government protest in nearly two decades has taken place in the former capital Rangoon, led by Buddhist monks and nuns. Up to 20,000 people took to the streets on the seventh day of protests calling for an end to the "evil dictatorship".
Unlike a day earlier, police barred a group of monks from entering the road that leads to the home of detained opposition leader Aung San Suu Kyi.
The rallies began last month when the government doubled fuel prices.
BBC South East Asia correspondent Jonathan Head says every day the protests are growing in size - the campaign the monks began just six days ago is now openly challenging the military, urging all citizens to join in.
Barricades
A huge column of demonstrators made its way through the heart of the city, following an identical route to that used during the failed anti-military uprising in 1988.
There are no exact figures but the rally was estimated to be 20,000 strong.



Ms Suu Kyi can be seen behind the police greeting protesters

Our correspondent says the mood was relaxed, even euphoric, with thousands of civilians joining Buddhist monks and nuns, and chanting the key demands of this campaign - reconciliation with the opposition, the release of political prisoners and lower prices.
Apparently unsure what to do, the security forces appear to be standing back for the moment and the next act in the drama is impossible to predict, says our correspondent.
Speaking on the sidelines of a UN meeting, US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said America was "watching very carefully" the protests and denounced Burma's "brutal regime".
"The Burmese people deserve better. They deserve the right to be able to live in freedom, just as everyone does."
The head of regional grouping Asean, Ong Keng Yong said he hoped the Burmese authorities would not take any strong action "and turn the protests into a big confrontation".
Ms Suu Kyi emerged tearfully on Saturday from the home where she has been under house arrest since 2003 to pray with the monks, after they were allowed through a roadblock.
But on Sunday the barricades were firmly back in place and there was a heavy security presence near the democracy icon's home to prevent a repeat protest march past.
Prayer vigils
Witnesses said the crowds formed a protective human chain, as the monks and nuns set off from Burma's most famous landmark, the revered Shwedagon Pagoda.





Some demonstrators chanted "Release Suu Kyi" as they continued to the nearby Sule Pagoda, before passing the US embassy.
Nobel Peace Prize Laureate Ms Suu Kyi has spent 11 of the last 18 years in detention.
In 1990 her party won national elections, but these were annulled by the army and she was never allowed to take office.
On Friday, the Alliance of All Burmese Buddhist Monks, which is leading the demonstrations, vowed to continue until they had "wiped the military dictatorship from the land".
The monks have urged the Burmese people to hold prayer vigils in their doorways for 15 minutes at 2000 (1330 GMT) on Sunday, Monday and Tuesday.
Scores of nuns joined more than 2,000 monks in prayer on Sunday at the Shwedagon Pagoda, before marching to the centre of Rangoon.




http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7009323.stm

.stm

[LRPV]

Kind of understates Suu Kyis committment. She has been offered foreign exile but has elected to remain in-country under house arrest. I can't think of one local politician that I believe would show such fortitude.:-(

[gaijinsamurai]

The sooner the government of Myanmar falls, the better.

[Ordie]

The sooner the government of Myanmar falls, the better.

I beg to differ.

my reasons:

1) Possible devolution of Burma (i.e Karen, Kachin etc..)
2) Micro-economic shock
3) Creation of a "void" for terrorist
4) Increase of narcotics trade

Even though I have no love for the SLORC, Burma is a polyglot of 'nations'.
The SLORC is able to control the country through fear and money. Any substitute force will most likely look after thier own interest rather than the nation as a whole. (Think Iraq)

Burma is one of the most isolated country for the past 45 years. While her neighbors opened up both politically and commercially, Burma opted for a self-imposed isolationist policy. Any opening of the floodgates with imports will most likely hurt many poor Burmese farmers and factory owners.

Burma has been in civil war since independence. Many of the insurgents have operated in remote areas earning income through illicit trade in opium. Absent of controls will most likely lead to an increase of heroin production. (Oddly enough we may see a trade war between Afghanistan and Burma.)

Burma is a Buhddist buffer state between two countries with a substantial Muslim populations. (Bangladesh & Malaysia) Even though I highly doubt it, Al Qaida prefers to operate within the periphery of two countries ideally with a Muslim population that may be sympathetic offering shelter and aid.

What to look for when the end is near?

Increased flights or bookings between Yangon or Mandalay and Singapore. It may be a good sign that the generals are seeking a retirement home.
Possible military movement from India, Bangladesh, Thailand, China and MalaysiaWhat I expect?

UN, ASEAN and/or Singapore to mediate on the premise of keeping Burma together.
The opposition to retain many who worked in the SLORC government to keep order including the military if and when the military government cease to exist.

[LRPV]

Ordie,
The ethnic groups don't want Balkanisation, they want Federation. One country with seats in a Parliament for all the major groups. The guerrilla wars were all about representation, not separation.

No offence meant but I read your fear of an increased drug trade with mirth. In 1991-2 you could head to the Thai border in Tak province and watch mule trains carrying opium stock....I don't believe drugs are the major concern.

[Pulsar]

Rice: U.S. to raise Myanmar protests at U.N.


Demonstrations against the ruling military junta in Myanmar, formerly Burma, continued through the weekend as thousands of Buddhist monks, nuns and political activists marched in support of reformist leader and Nobel laureate Aung San Suu Kyi.

On Sunday, police finally pushed hundreds of demonstrators back from the home where Suu Kyi has been under house arrest off and on for nearly two decades.

Speaking before a meeting with Chinese Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi, Rice said President Bush would raise the issue with fellow world leaders during this week's conference at the United Nations.

more (http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/09/24/un.myanmar/)

[LRPV]

Already posted...

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=120669

[sofa_king_kewl]

Is Myanmar short of eligible military age population?

Myanmar has about 50 millions population so there are plenty of eligible military age men. But the minority rebel forces are greatly outnumbered by government forces so they do have a lot of underaged soldiers. But the government also is known for recruiting underage boys.

Here are some goverement soldiers in an army truck. u can see they're just boys

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These are military cadets who looks like underage.

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[sofa_king_kewl]

Where do they get these weapons and finance from?

Most rebel forces get the cash from timber (teak) and gems (jade, ruby) but there are a few rebel groups that make big cash from drugs (opium, meth)

For newer weapons, there are plenty of dealers from china and thailand. A lot of second hand weapons are bought from cambodia who has large weapon stockpile leftover from the war (mines, AKs, RPGs, etc.)

Also rebels use the captured goverement weapons,
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[Fiber]

What is the AK version on this picture.

Only on mp.net ;)

[gaijinsamurai]

Ordie,
You haven't convinced me I'm wrong, but I do appreciate your perspective. From a human rights view, I just don't see the justification for the junta's continued rule.
But, you've raised some valid points, which will certainly be obstacles to peace, security, and prosperity.

[Ordie]

Ordie,
The ethnic groups don't want Balkanisation, they want Federation. One country with seats in a Parliament for all the major groups. The guerrilla wars were all about representation, not separation.

No offence meant but I read your fear of an increased drug trade with mirth. In 1991-2 you could head to the Thai border in Tak province and watch mule trains carrying opium stock....I don't believe drugs are the major concern.

I hope you're right.

But for the Karen, who have been seeking an independant state for 50 years, the potential fall of the SLORC may give them a window of opportunity.

However, the key for Karen indpendence or any part of Burma rests on international recognition, more specifically from ASEAN countries.

[cato]

[QUOTE=sofa_king_kewl;2627217]Future fighters?

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/4063/futurefightersa5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


IS MY EYES PROBLEM?????

It is Ultimax 100 Mk.2 machine gun with 30-round M16 magazine made by singapore.

[Genghis]

[quote=sofa_king_kewl;2627217]Future fighters?

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/4063/futurefightersa5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


IS MY EYES PROBLEM?????

It is Ultimax 100 Mk.2 machine gun with 30-round M16 magazine made by singapore.

Yes you are right.

[Herrmannek]

what grenade it is? On the launcher, the strange red-grape thingy
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[DavidDCM]

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Chinese Norinco CQ-311 rifle

[SBL]

http://www.foxnews.com/images/309418/2_61_092407_myanmar.jpg (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,297901,00.html#) YANGON, Myanmar — Buddhist monks spearheading the biggest anti-government marches in nearly two decades relaunched their protests in Myanmar's two major cities Tuesday, defying orders to stay out of politics.
About 4,000 monks, cheered on by several thousand supporters, gathered for an eighth day of peaceful protest at Yangon's soaring Shwedagon Pagoda while some 700 marched in the country's second largest city of Mandalay.
The demonstrations came despite orders to the Buddhist clergy to halt all political activity and return to their monasteries and as pro-junta supporters in pickup trucks cruised Yangon warning that large crowds were illegal.
The protests in Yangon reached 100,000 on Monday, becoming the biggest demonstrations since the suppressed a democratic uprising in 1988 when the military fired on peaceful crowds and killed thousands, terrorizing the country.
The warning shows the increasing pressure the junta is under to either crack down on or compromise with a reinvigorated democracy movement. The monks have taken their traditional role as the conscience of society, backing the military into a corner from which it may lash out again.



The authorities did not stop the protests Monday, even as they built to a scale and fervor that rivaled the pro-democracy uprising of 1988. The government has been handling the monks gingerly, wary of raising the ire of ordinary citizens in this devout, predominantly Buddhist nation.
However, on Monday night the country's religious affairs minister appeared on state television to accuse the monks of being manipulated by the regime's domestic and foreign enemies. Meeting with senior monks at Yangon's Kaba Aye Pagoda, Brig. Gen. Thura Myint Maung said the protesting monks represented just 2 percent of the country's population. He suggested that if senior monks did not restrain them, the government would act according to its own regulations, which he did not detail.
Also on Monday, the White House weighed in with the threat of additional sanctions against the Myanmar regime and those who provide it with financial aid. President Bush is expected to announce the sanctions Tuesday at the U.N. General Assembly. The United States restricts imports and exports and financial transactions with Myanmar, also known as Burma.
U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-Moon urged authorities in Myanmar to exercise restraint in the face of the protests and expressed hope the military-led government would "seize this opportunity" to include all opposition groups in the political process.
The current protests began on Aug. 19 after the government sharply raised fuel prices in what is one of Asia's poorest countries. But they are based in deep-rooted dissatisfaction with the repressive military government that has ruled the country in one form or another since 1962.
"I don't like the government," a 20-year-old monk participating in the protest in the central city of Mandalay told The Associated Press. "The government is very cruel and our country is full of troubles."
Ordinary people have similar views, even if they may not act on them.
"I don't like the government because it only thinks about itself. But there is nothing I can do. If I join the protest, I will lose everything," said a hotel worker, also in Mandalay. Both she and the monk asked not to be named for fear of the authorities.
The protests over economic conditions were faltering when the monks last week took over leadership and assumed a role they played in previous battles against British colonialism and military dictators. At first the maroon-robed monks simply chanted and prayed. But as the public joined the march, the demonstrators demanded national reconciliation — meaning dialogue between the government and opposition parties — and freedom for political prisoners, as well as adequate food, shelter and clothing.
The fleeting appearance of Nobel Peace Prize laureate Aung San Suu Kyi at the gate of the Yangon residence where she is under house arrest squarely identified the protests with the longtime peaceful struggle of her party, the opposition National League Democracy. She has been under detention for 12 of the past 18 years.
In what appeared to be a miscalculation by the junta, a crowd of about 500 monks and sympathizers was let through police barricades Saturday to her home, where she briefly greeted them in her first public appearance in four years.
On Monday, after the crowds marched for more than five hours over 12 miles, a last hard-core group of more than 1,000 monks and 400 sympathizers finished by walking up to an intersection where police blocked access to the street where Suu Kyi lives.
Making no effort to push past, the marchers chanted a Buddhist prayer with the words "May there be peace," and then dispersed. About 500 onlookers cheered their act of defiance, as 100 riot police with helmets and shields stared stonily ahead.
Monday's march was launched from the Shwedagon pagoda, the country's most sacred shrine, and 20,000 monks took the lead. Students joined the protest in noticeable numbers for the first time. Security forces were not in evidence for most of the route.
Diplomats and analysts said Myanmar's military rulers were showing unexpected restraint this time because of pressure from the country's key trading partner and diplomatic ally, China.
"Beijing is to host the next summer's Olympic Games. Everyone knows that China is the major supporter of the junta, so if government takes any action it will affect the image of China," a Southeast Asian diplomat said, speaking on condition of anonymity as a matter of protocol.
China, which is counting on Myanmar's vast oil and gas reserves to help fuel its booming economy, earlier this year blocked a U.N. Security Council resolution criticizing Myanmar's rights record, saying it was not the right forum. Much of the West applies diplomatic and political sanctions against the junta, but Chinese aid — along with the oil and gas revenues — effectively undercuts any leverage they might have had.
However, Beijing has also employed quiet diplomacy and subtle public pressure on the regime, urging it to move toward inclusive democracy and speed up the process of dialogue and reform.
Josef Silverstein, a political scientist and author of several books on Myanmar, said it would not be in China's interest to have civil unrest in Myanmar.
"China is very eager to have a peaceful Burma in order to complete roads and railroads, to develop mines and finish assimilating the country under its economic control," Silverstein said.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,297901,00.html

[sofa_king_kewl]

Buddhist monks arrive to take part in a protest against the Myanmar government in Rome September 24, 2007

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Nuns also joining the protest
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people joining in and it just getting bigger and bigger
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[sofa_king_kewl]

this is amazing.. armies of monks marching
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[perdurabo]

i hope this will change their country and theravada buddhism ...

Now that's Buddhism we can talk about. Not this hollywood vegan "Don't hurt no ants it's your grandma" Bullsh*t. ^^any Buddhist should not hurt living creatures, monks can't eat meat (there are small exceptions) But i agree that holywood vision of Buddhism is big BS

[nemowork]

After how the last lot of mass public protests ended youve got to admire their courage!

I just have a nasty feeling the inevitable is going to happen fairly soon!

[signatory]

Burma's military leaders have imposed a dusk-to-dawn curfew in the main cities Rangoon and Mandalay, which have seen escalating anti-government protests.

Armed troops have now been deployed after tens of thousands of Buddhist monks and civilians again defied the army's warning to stay off the streets.
BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7012673.stm)


BTW how many Human Shields (*) have gone to Burma to support the monks?


(*) Human shield action to Iraq was a group of people who travelled to Iraq to act as human shields with the purpose of preventing the U.S.-led coalition troops from bombing certain locations during the 2003 Invasion of Iraq. Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_shield_action_to_Iraq)

[SBL]

Not really no.
They kinda do, actually.

[sofa_king_kewl]

YANGON, Myanmar - Myanmar's military leaders imposed a nighttime curfew and banned gatherings of more than five people Tuesday after 35,000 Buddhist monks and their supporters defied the junta's warnings and staged another day of anti-government protests.
Soldiers in full battle gear were deployed Tuesday in the country's largest city, setting the stage for a showdown with a determined pro-democracy protest movement.
Earlier Tuesday, the army began deploying troops in the heart of Yangon after tens of thousands of people led by barefoot monks in maroon robes defied orders to stay off the streets and marched for the eighth straight day against the junta.
Troops were also seen gathering at a military center in Mandalay and military trucks rumbled through the streets of both cities late into the night, witnesses said.
The potential for a violent crackdown had already aroused international concern, with pleas for the junta to deal peacefully with the situation coming from government and religious leaders worldwide. They included the Dalai Lama and South Africa's Archbishop Desmond Tutu, both Nobel Peace Prize laureates like detained Myanmar opposition leader Aung San Suu Kyi.
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[LaoSexMachine]

BTW how many Human Shields (*) have gone to Burma to support the monks?

Burma, Darfur, and places like that are not worth it for them. Human shields are like the PETA folks just attention whores.

[Fiber]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7013638.stm



Burma riot police beat protesters

Burmese police have used batons to beat back protesters including monks at the Rangoon pagoda used as a rallying-point for marchers, eyewitnesses say.

They baton-charged a crowd of civilians and monks outside the Shwedagon Pagoda as demonstrators readied for a ninth day of protest marches.

Police and troops have been ringing Buddhist monasteries in the city.

Analysts fear a repeat of the violence in 1988, when troops opened fire on unarmed protestors, killing thousands.

In a further sign that the military authorities are cracking down, two key dissidents were arrested.

It appears that small groups of monks seem set on defying calls by the military to end their daily protests, says the BBC's Asia correspondent, Andrew Harding.

The protesters had turned up at Shwedagon, which was blocked off by security forces, in defiance of a ban on all public gatherings of more than five people, and a night-time curfew.

Police beat their shields with their batons and yelled orders to disperse before chasing scores of monks and their supporters.

Eyewitnesses say some protesters fell to the ground amid the chaos.

I don't think this comes as a big surprise on anyone. No orange revolution here :(

[Maung_bala]

That's lot of monks but cant beat machine guns with prayers. There could be bloodbath

[Fiber]

More from BBC

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7013638.stm

[darz]

YANGON (*******) - Troops fired shots over the heads of large crowds in Myanmar's main city on Wednesday, sending people scurrying for cover as a crackdown against the biggest anti-junta protests in 20 years intensified.

One person was killed and five wounded by bullets in Yangon, a hospital source said, but it was not known whether any of the victims were monks, who have been at the forefront of the demonstrations.

At least two witnesses saw the bloodied body of a monk being carried away after security forces stopped one procession as the city centre seethed with tens of thousands of people rebelling against decades of military rule.
It was not clear whether he was dead or alive.
People have came out in force despite fears of a repeat of the bloody suppression of a 1988 uprising, when soldiers killed an estimated 3,000 people.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070926/wl_nm/myanmar_dc_50

[Switek]

One killed? Seems that only one death has been comfirmed so far. God bless peple of Myanmar. :(

R.I.P.

[IsraDani]

France, USA, UK and China made a common block at the UN against this tragedy.
My hope is the junta will fall soon under its own violence.

[Cedan]

If China is turning against the junta things will start to look grim for it, as far as I know they are the most important ally the junta has...

[IsraDani]

If China is turning against the junta things will start to look grim for it, as far as I know they are the most important ally the junta has...

they dont want mess in the courtyards during and near bejing 2008

[Cedan]

they dont want mess in the courtyards during and near bejing 2008

still, many speculate China can't afford the huge PR disaster it would be to further the support of the Junta and now the international community is watching... will be interesting to see what follows

[darz]

At least four people were killed and 100 injured Wednesday as Myanmar's security forces clamped down on anti-government protests led by Buddhist monks, according to officials and witnesses.

Myanmar officials said at least three monks were killed, including one who was shot as he tried to wrestle a gun away from a soldier. Two other monks were beaten to death, they told AFP.

A fourth person, who was not a monk, was dead on arrival at Yangon General Hospital with gunshot wounds, a hospital source said.
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/afp/20070926/tts-myanmar-protest-toll-c1b2fc3.html

[Bala_Mg]

troops opened fire 9-25-07
5 monks died so far today
many beaten and arrested

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[Bala_Mg]

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[Bala_Mg]

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[Bala_Mg]

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[M1A2U2]

doesnt the new rambo movie take place here?
I wonder what part of the this protest was pushed by the Bush Admin because in the Foreign Ops bill for FY 08 there was like 11 million for Burma.

[Bala_Mg]

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[szr]

The photos of the monks are impressive. I wish them luck. Thanks for posting.

[Swerap]

Go munks!!

[caleb]

All the best to the brave citizens of Burma, my utmost repect to those monks. Keep up the fight!

I hope that international community acts now, in whichever way it may be! Those people need to know that there is hope...

[Shadowstorm]

Keep up the fight people!

[Korath]

Good luck! We shall keep our fingers crossed. Let's hote that our governments will do as much as possible to help.

[Createdeemcee]

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M79 on the right!



Originally Posted by Lazarus
What is the AK version on this picture.
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Looks very similar to the Finnish Valmet series but definitely has a different flash suppressor.



5.56mm EMERK-3 assault rifle, Myanmar copy of the Israeli Galil rifle...

Whole thread on it is here! http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...t=69914&page=2 (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=69914&page=2)

[Abbadon the Despoiler]

This Bloodshed should not be forgotten
Bring the system down!
RIP to fallen

[kawaiku]

Wow those photos of the monks are very impressive, and the people walking with hands linked on both sides is very striking. Good Luck to all there and hope that they finally get what they deserve.

[nemowork]

There already is!

[Infanteer Two Seven]

I thought Buddhism and Islam were religions of peace p-) . Whats next, the Mormon and Catholic brawl?

You should see what they do in Sri Lanka p-)

[Bala_Mg]

guns pointed straights at protesters, the only SPDC way to deal with protests

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[signatory]

Powerful photos, thanks.


Sept. 26 (Bloomberg) -- China and Russia blocked U.S. and European efforts in the United Nations Security Council to condemn Myanmar's military-run government for its crackdown on protesters. link (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601080&sid=aVE1uLJtOl7o&refer=asia)

Typical.

[seruriermarshal]

Thanks for photos , For The Freedom !

[Nightsky]

Powerful photos, thanks.


Sept. 26 (Bloomberg) -- China and Russia blocked U.S. and European efforts in the United Nations Security Council to condemn Myanmar's military-run government for its crackdown on protesters.

Typical.

politics, just like Sudan, Saudia Arabia, Israel, Pakistan, North Korea ... the fault of the "West" and of China and Russia alike ... dictators are protected as long as they serve strategic interests (Saudi oil, Burmese access to indian ocean, north korean buffer against US, Pakistani buffer against radicals...).

So the blame is not with Russia or China here, but with geopolitics

Besides, I would not support sanctions in addition to the sanctions in place either. What other sanctions lead to ... countries like Iraq have proven. The life standard of the ruling cast won't diminish, the poor will get poorer.

[signatory]

It's not even about sanctions.

It was just for a statement condemning the violence. Not even that could Russia and China accept. It's shameful.

[M1A2U2]

It's not even about sanctions.

It was just for a statement condemning the violence. Not even that could Russia and China accept. It's shameful.

Agreed, thats pretty low

[Kilgor]

It's not even about sanctions.

It was just for a statement condemning the violence. Not even that could Russia and China accept. It's shameful.

They call it "not meddling in other countries affairs" (when it suits them)

[LaoSexMachine]

Burma's saffron army
By Sarah Buckley
BBC News
Monks command such respect in Burma because some 80-90% of the country's population is Buddhist, and even those who do not choose to become a "career monk" usually enter the orders for short periods of their lives, giving the monasteries a prominent role in society.
There is a monastery in every village, according to Myint Swe of the BBC Burmese service, and monks act as the spiritual leaders of that community.
They give religious guidance and perform important duties at weddings and funerals.



In return for these duties, they are given donations by laymen. As they are forbidden from handling cash, they are completely reliant on these handouts. Each full moon day, they are also given donations such as robes.
If they refuse these handouts, they are denying the donor the potential to earn spiritual "credit" - "the strongest possible penalty that can be expected from a Buddhist", said Myint Swe.
That is why the announcement by the monks currently protesting in Burma that they would refuse all donations from the ruling military - most of whom would be Buddhist themselves - was so powerful, he said.
"The government wants the image that they are pious and helping the monks," he said.
Monastery 'holidays'
There are 400,000-500,000 professional monks in a country of about 50 million people, but many more laymen worship alongside the monks for a few weeks at a time throughout their lives in order to earn spiritual credit.
Myint Swe said he had himself entered the monasteries three times in his adult life, on each occasion for just a few weeks.
"Buddhism is very individualistic - you have to work for your own liberation," said Aung Kin, a Burmese historian.
A monastery not only provides spiritual guidance, but also fulfils a practical role in Burmese society.




BUDDHISM
Buddhism is non-violent, non-dogmatic and meditative
Not centred on a god
Aimed at gaining insight into life's true nature
There are two schools. One of them, Theravada (S, SE Asia), focuses on freedom from craving and suffering
The other, Mahayana (NE Asia), emphasises helping others achieve that freedom
Burmese observe the Theravada school

Entering a monastery as a child - or novice - is a cheap way of gaining an education. Although education is free in Burma, extras such as uniforms may still prove a struggle for impoverished families.
And some parents choose to send their children during the school holidays, while they are out at work, Myint Swe said.
Those who choose to adopt Buddhism as a career often do so for financial reasons, Mr Aung Kin said, with donations collected by the monks shared with family members.
In return, however, prospective monks have to pass religious exams and agree to adhere to more than 220 restrictions.
Burmese monks not only play a spiritual role, but also have a history of political activism. They have been at the forefront of protest against unpopular authorities, from British colonial power in the 1930s to the last pro-democracy campaign in 1988.


Their political role stems from the days of the Burmese monarchy, which operated until the late 19th century, under which monks worked as intermediaries between the monarch and the public, and lobbied the king over unpopular moves such as heavy taxation, said Mr Aung Kin.
They became more confrontational during colonial times, in protest at the failure of foreigners to remove their shoes in pagodas, he said.
But the historian stressed that only about 10% of Burma's monks are politicised, and many of the monasteries may be unaware of the scale of the agitation currently under way in the country.
If fully mobilised, however, the monks would pose a major challenge to the military, and their moral position in society could embolden many more people to join the protests.

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/asia-pacific/7014173.stm

[[WDW]Megaraptor]

doesnt the new rambo movie take place here?
I wonder what part of the this protest was pushed by the Bush Admin because in the Foreign Ops bill for FY 08 there was like 11 million for Burma.

That's not a lot in government terms.

[Bala_Mg]

9-26-07
violent crackdowns went on last night with many monks arrested. Soldiers threaten to shoot whoever intervene.
3 monks beaten to dealth wednesday, one who tried to wrestle a soldier and tried to take away his weapon. One civilian also killed.
On Thursday, monks are still coming out to the street to continue protesting no matter what, according to the monk leaderships.

Good luck to all. Hopefully no more bloodshed

[CG51]

They call it "not meddling in other countries affairs" (when it suits them)

heh, those two countries should show us what a humanitarian country is all about.

[Bala_Mg]

The remains of broken glass after security forces stormed a monastery in the eastern part of Yangon, early on 26 September

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YANGON, Myanmar - Soldiers fired warning shots Thursday above an estimated crowd of 70,000 anti-government demonstrators defying a crackdown that has drawn international appeals for restraint by Myanmar's ruling junta.
The demonstration followed early morning raids on Buddhist monasteries during which soldiers reportedly beat up monks and arrested more than 100.
A monk at Ngwe Kyar Yan monastery pointed to bloodstains on the concrete floor and said a number of monks were beaten and at least 100 of its 150 monks taken away in vehicles. Shots were fired in the air during the chaotic raid, he said on condition of anonymity for fear of reprisals.

"Soldiers slammed the monastery gate with the car, breaking the lock and forcing it into the monastery," the monk said. "They smashed the doors down, broke windows and furniture. When monks resisted, they shot at the monks and used tear gas and beat up the monks and dragged into trucks." Empty bullet shells, broken doors, furniture and glass peppered the bloodstained, concrete floor of the monastery.
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[Bala_Mg]

Okkalapa Township, Rangoon; Sept. 27 Around noon—Tens of thousands of civilians have surrounded Burmese troops and police that were deployed around Ngwe Kyar Yan monastery in Rangoon early Thursday morning, after they arrested an estimated 200 monks during a violent nighttime raid, witnesses said. The monastery's walkways were splattered in pools of blood at many locations, indicating the authorities shot or severely beat scores of monks. On Thursday afternoon, one witness said the authorities fired warning shots in an attempt to disperse the hostile crowd. The civilian population of Rangoon is very tense today following the overnight raids on at least three Rangoon monasteries. Sources say up to 700 monks were taken away by security forces to an unknown location.

Rangoon; Thursday morning—Troops and riot police raided at least three Rangoon monasteries overnight, breaking their way in and beating and arresting at least 600 monks, novices and their supporters, according to eyewitness reports.
About 500 of the arrested monks were rounded up at Mogaung monastery in South Okkalapa Township, one source said.
The abbots of Maggin monastery in Rangoon’s Thingangyun Township and Ngwe Kyar Yan monastery in South Okkalapa Township were among monks rounded up and arrested in the early hours of the morning.
Troops and riot police used a vehicle to break down the main gate of Ngwe Kyar Yan monastery. Shots were fired and tear gas used in rounding up about 150 of the monastery’s monks. Soldiers also plundered the monastery, according to eyewitnesses.
Troops and riot police have meanwhile taken up positions at Moe Kaung monastery in Rangoon’s Yankin Township, sources said.
The authorities also arrested four key opposition activists overnight, including National League for Democracy spokesman Myint Thein, Zomi National Congress Chairman Cin Sian Thang and Hla Pay, chairman of the Irrawaddy Division NLD.

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[daily666]

^^^ Powerful. I wish them all luck. Go monks!

[Bala_Mg]

A message and warning to one another using ko-htike.blogspot

"Now, the government is trying to make a diversion. They give 10,000 kyats (around $7) & a set of Thin Gan(yellow robe) to "Swan Arr Shin"(a group that to crash down violently to protester) team and make them to pretend as Monks. Then, command to destroy the Islamic Mosque. This intends to become a fight between Buddhisms & Islams. So, if u hear or see the news that the monks are destroying the Mosque, these are not real monks. They are just fakes. As u all know, the real monks have no intention like that. So, give this information to Islams who u know and tell them"

another blogger wrote

"today.... 26/9/07 my duty time part is working on Emergency YGH... at about 2:00 pm 5 patients was coming to our Emergency ... for Gun Shot from Government militaries... 1 patients died on d spot on arriving Hospital... ( shot on Bladder ) 4 r still bad in Diagnosis... The patient's attendant said " the patient r not in d line of protest... they ( victims ) are just chatting and watching d protest line and sitting on Cafe Bar near Shawe Dagon Pagoda , some r pedestrians" when they watching.... Government military Car was crossing to d protest line and randomly shot all of them ... what the insanity and inhumanity of their mind don't they have self-mind.. that can desire to do or shouldn't do? don't they have Family? don't they have Brain? i was very sorry for victims ( pateints ) and victims' relatives really insanity , really inhumanity, really selfish to get holding their stupid military Government... really unintelligence .. how to manage the country like in this situation ... i always ready to support Protest Monks and People... and wanna treat whenever they get injuries ... and all my friends ... u also wanna see like that or not .... This PROTEST is our chance to get improving our country among neighbours ..."

2.40 am in Burma. Sept 27 morning.

Soldiers Beating and capturing in the Ngwe Kyar Yan Monastry of S/ Oakalapa Tsp now.
People hearing noises from the monastry until.Monks are crying and running arround there.
Please try to spread to spread this URGENTLY.

Another friend told me "now army from ygn is changed with the army from chin state. Chin soldiers are more crazy and ruthless so there can b worse condition tomorrow than today and now they entering into the monestries at the mid nite time and arrest the monks by trucks."

Please ask buddhist people to protact the buddhism for the lowest humiliation and insult by taking security duty in the monastries.


Another suggestions here Very importent too!

As the Junta pointed 86 points to say that protesting monks are not monks but fake. So please also try to find the rules and regulations of a soldier and quote these to say that these soldiers and those who commend them are not soldiers because they break the rule of a good soldier. So please declare publicly that they are terrorist, not soldier. So fight them back.

Thanks

[neophyte77]

They call it "not meddling in other countries affairs" (when it suits them)
Well said :hug:

[Bala_Mg]

Thursday, 27 September 2007


Burma time 16;12

To all folk, it is really bad in YGN, pLs can someone do something for our country, now inside YGN it has been look like War Zone, i even heard stooting over the phone. it is over 50 shots, right now. but people are not giving up to protest and more and more people coming out to street.

they even used tear gas into primary school.

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[timetraveller]

I find it pathetic that the so called united nations can't even arsed to help those and the best they can muster up telling the Millitary leaders of Burma "is show restraint .. "


And They ain't listening ..

[Nightsky]

I find it pathetic that the so called united nations can't even arsed to help those and the best they can muster up telling the Millitary leaders of Burma "is show restraint .. "


And They ain't listening ..

What do you expect ? It's politics, same like USA will block stuff against Israel or Saudi Arabia, China will block stuff against Burma or Sudan, Russia will block resolutions against Belorussia or Serbia ... it's really a crap situation :-(

[sofa_king_kewl]

I love this pic
If I can have a poster size, I'd frame it

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[timetraveller]

It's a situation that shouldn't be Happening but it is ... shamefully , they have no right be even sitting on the UN .


How do you define those that preached about bringing democracy to A'stan , Iraq .. and the world see what Happens in Burma ..

They shouldn't be seen to preach one thing and not follow it up by doing the same elsewhere .. It's on par having a rule for one and rule for another ..

Pathetic , Shamefull and Embrassing ..

End of the day there all mouth and no substance

[daily666]

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[sofa_king_kewl]

What happening in Myanmar now is nothing new. It happened before almost exactly 19 years ago. More than 3000 killed !! And thousands more arrested, tortured and many died in prison after massive crackdown. And no one outside the country (called burma then) knew about it.

This is what happened in 1988

By July 1988, an intolerance for human-rights abuses, economic decline, and an unaccountable military regime had led to severe social unrest. During the first half of the year, thousands of people, organized by university students, marched peacefully in the streets of Rangoon, the capial of Burma. (In response to the student's leadership role in the marches for democracy, all universities in Burma were closed by the government and remained so until May 1991.)
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Events reached a climax on August 8 (later known as the Massacre of 8/8/88), the day on which a nation wide general strike was organized by the All-Burma Students Democratic League. Millions of people marches peacefully throughout the day, with an army presence visible, and threatening, although temporarily restrained.
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At 11:00 pm, there were still thousands of people outside the Sula Pagoda. At 11:30 pm, trucks loaded with troops, supported by armoured personal carrier roared out from behind the City Hall.

Two pistol shots rang out - and then the sound of machine-gunfire reverberated in the dark between the buildings surrounding Bandoola Square.
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People fell in droves as they were hit. The streets turned red with blood as people "scattered screaming into alleys and doorways, stumbling over open gutters, crouching by walls and then, in a new wave of panic, running again," Seth Mydans wrote in the New York Times
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Richard Gourley, who was in Rangoon on that fateful Monday, wrote in the Finicial Times two days later:
"Eye-witnesses saw armoured cars driving up to groups of demonstrators and opening fire indiscriminately, challenging official claims that they were using only moderate force. Some witnesses reported seeing demonstrators carrying bodies of dead protesters over their heads as they marched through the streets."

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Ne Win, Burma's maniacal dictator for 26 years operating behind the scenes, ordered the army to attack, and they did ...Ruthlessly shooting and bayoneting thousands of unarmed demonstrators over a two-month peroid. All photojournalists were banned from the country during this time.

By mid-September, the people of Burma believed their country to be on the verge of democracy as a result of their determined and well-organized national civil disobedience. Outraged by an unexpected military coup of September 18, they responded by immediately renewing massive demonstrations. The harsh and swift military reaction was more burtal than the Massacre of 8/8/88, as additional thousands were shot in the streets. Several wounded students, along with hundreds of others, await treatment at Rangoon General Hospital.

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"Many students, some friends, and some of my family members were shot dead on the spot. We had no idea that our own people would kill us. There were blood everywhere. Loud screams and the cracking of gunfire echoed loudly. People began falling down everywhere."
A student

On August 10 at 1:30 pm, troops fired in front of Rangoon General Hospital. Two female and one male nurses were severely wounded, two others only slightly hurt. Several civilians - blood donors and relatives looking for their kin - were killed. Injuried victims were denied medical care.
A fifteen-year-old girl was shot in front of the U.S.Embassy and later died. Medics risked their own lives to rescue comrades lying dead and wounded on the street. ABC's Nightline reported: "Authorities announced that five hundred people had been killed. Foreign diplomats and others on the scene said the number was closer to ten thousands."
People ran from bullets of soliders and snipers in front of U.S.Embassy in Rangoon as a handful of journalists and diplomats watched helplessly from the windows of the U.S.Embassy.
"I saw soliders hunting down students on the streets, and people huddled behind trees being picked off by snipers in bulidings across the road." Burton Levin, United States Ambassador to Burma, 1991

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A deadly calm descended over Rangoon after the killings. Military trucks swept through the city collectiong the unidentified bodies of the dead for cremation. Soliders blindly carrying out the orders were convinced by their superiors that the students were "communist insurgents," and later the military regime claimed that they only shot at "communists". Here is one of the communists they shot at.


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Now, the year 2007, people and monks of burma/myanmar are back on the streets again. Let us hope and pray that people will win this time around and get rid of this horrible military dictatorship for good and gain that freedom they greatly deserve.

[Tokamak]

What do you expect ? It's politics, same like USA will block stuff against Israel or Saudi Arabia, China will block stuff against Burma or Sudan, Russia will block resolutions against Belorussia or Serbia ... it's really a crap situation :-(


The veto option should be removed from the Security Council!!!.

[Raphael Cortez]

A UN help would be interesting there. I think the people can take them out.
Good luck to them.

[sofa_king_kewl]

Who amongst the Burmese pays the price of Western boycott, sanctions and international isolation?
Evil Generals? Noble Dissidents?
Or ordinary people and their children??!!

Reflect before You Act

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[Tokamak]

Who amongst the Burmese pays the price of Western boycott, sanctions and international isolation?
Evil Generals? Noble Dissidents?
Or ordinary people and their children??!!

Reflect before You Act


I haven't seen economic sanctions working anywhere in the world. In any case I doubt China will allow a militar intervention agains them.

[Nightsky]

I haven't seen economic sanctions working anywhere in the world. In any case I doubt China will allow a militar intervention agains them.

x2 on both points you mentioned

[Switek]

Who amongst the Burmese pays the price of Western boycott, sanctions and international isolation?
Evil Generals? Noble Dissidents?
Or ordinary people and their children??!!

Reflect before You Act

Don't scream! International cooperation with Myanmar helps junta to keep the power and makes Generals rich. Ordinary people and their children get nothing, just now from that. So after imposing sanctions nothing will change for them or almost nothing.

[Switek]

I haven't seen economic sanctions working anywhere in the world. In any case I doubt China will allow a militar intervention agains them.

They worked for Poland. Bad economic situation (what was the key factor) in 1980's caused that commies decided to give power back in 1989.

[sofa_king_kewl]

Don't scream! International cooperation with Myanmar helps junta to keep the power and makes Generals rich. Ordinary people and their children get nothing, just now from that. So after imposing sanctions nothing will change for them or almost nothing.

that's the point I was trying to make.. Ordinary people and their childrens pays the price of western boycotts, sanctions and isolations.. not the generals

[Bala_Mg]

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translation:
If bones will pile up like a mountain to be free from those military dictators, they shall find our (monks) bones at the very bottom.

People’s Sanga (monks)


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"May the people wish be fulfilled"

[Nightsky]

get nothing, just now from that. So after imposing sanctions nothing will change for them or almost nothing.

thing is, there ARE sanctions in place just now ...

[timetraveller]

Laura Bush on Burma: "The World has Been Remarkably Silent"

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September 27, 2007 12:57 PM
ABC News' Ann Compton Reports: Laura Bush, in the most significant foreign policy issue she has taken up, is way ahead of her husband opposing the repression now spilling into bloodshed in Southeast Asia.
For over a year, the First Lady has been lobbying world leaders and politicians at home to speak out on conditions in the country that the U.S. refuses to call anything but Burma, its name before a military junta sezied control and renamed it Myanmar.
"The world has been remarkably silent," she told Senators on Capitol Hill as the prison sentence was supposed to lapse for Aung San Suu Ki, the Nobel Peace laureate who has been under arrest since her political party won an election in Burma and the military coup overturned the results.
That anniversary passed more than four months ago. Ang San Suu Ki has not been taken from house arrest to prison.
Mrs. Bush has held roundtable discussions with international diplomats in New York to bring the world spotlight to bear. She met in her East Wing office with Ibrahim Gambari who has been dispatched to the troubled region by the United Nations. And recently the White House released a photograph of Mrs. Bush picking up the telephone to UN Secretary General Ban Ki Moon, appealing for action.
In one of the many interviews she in granting during the crisis, Mrs. Bush told the Voice of America, a US government radio network, that she because interested through a cousin who is an advocate on Burma. From here her lobbying has snowballed.
After seeing the first bloody clashes between Burmese troops and peaceful Buddhist monks in the capital, Mrs. Bush told VOA, "I'm very concerned. I pray for the people of Burma. I'm awed by their courage." And she appealed to the Burmese army: "I want to say to the armed guards and to the soldiers: Don't fire on your people. Don't fire on your neighbors."

Source
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[Freedom-Fries]

Do you trust ABC news ?

[timetraveller]

Thats on par with me saying to you
Do you believe everything that you read on the net is true ..

seriously

Well if i had the chance I'd rather watch abc than Fox if i stayed in the States ..

[vinny_121_ND]

Not 'silent' per se, but Bush has imposed sanctions on burma. I hope Canada, UK, Japan, Singapore, south korea etc follow suit.

Governments are protesting, but civilian protests in front of the burmese embassy, burning of the burmese flag, etc is not how we do things here.

[signatory]

Friday is supposed to be some kind of international protest day... for Burma..

but it looks like the military is being quite clever this time and china looking the other way so eh..

[Bala_Mg]

Thu Sep 27, 10:10 AM ET



With foreign journalists locked out of the country by Burma's military government, this dispatch was written by TIME staff based on eyewitness reports.
BRACKET {NOTE: The junta that runs the country imposed a systematic name change several years ago, decreeing that Burma was to be called Myanmar and the capital Rangoon was to be Yangon. The opposition has never accepted these changes; neither has the U.S. government. TIME continues to use Burma and Rangoon.}]


"You should get closer," the Burmese woman, a medical student, told two foreigners ahead of her in the crowd. "If you are there they won't shoot." She was terribly wrong.

A group of protesters, thousands strong, massed on the corner of Anawratha and Sule Pagoda Roads. Facing them were dozens of soldiers and riot police. It was just after 1 p.m.


There were only a handful of monks in the crowd. On any other recent day, thousand of their brethren would be streaming from the Shwedagon Pagoda some 2 miles to the north, on their march into downtown Rangoon. But this morning the Shwedagon was closed and its approach roads guarded by soldiers and riot police. And last night, according to reports, many monasteries had been raided and hundreds of monks arrested.

The protesters were peaceful and buoyant. They chanted religious sutras, meant to express the Buddhist notion of metta, or loving kindness. These have been chanted at every rally, every march, and even those who do not speak Burmese will know their melodies by now.

The protesters sing,

Let everyone be free from danger
Let everyone be free from anger
Let everyone be free from hardship

"You should get closer," the student had said. But everyone was close enough, perhaps a hundred yards from the barricades. The courage of the protesters was inspiring but the news had been grim. That morning a Burmese source said that 30 bodies had been dumped at Rangoon General Hospital the night before. The report is unconfirmed but, having seen the Burmese junta and its troops in action, western observers do not find it difficult to believe.


Emotions passed through the dense crowds as if passing through a single body. Suddenly, over hundreds of heads, more trucks pulled up at the intersection, filled with soldiers. The protesters close by must have seen something - perhaps the expression of men who would not hesitate to open fire, perhaps already preparing to shoot.


There was no warning from the soldiers, just from the crowd. It tensed as one.


There was one, perhaps two explosions - smoke bombs, meant to shock and disorient - and then gunfire, but by then everyone was scattering and running. Seconds later, more gunfire. "Were they firing over our heads? Impossible to tell," one foreigner told TIME. But at a spot barely 10 meters from where everyone had been standing, lay the body of a foreigner on the road.


"I still don't know his name," the same foreigner told TIME "I had seen him moments before, photographing the crowd and the soldiers, absorbed and - like Burma's democrats - utterly fearless. I still don't know if he is dead, but it seems almost certain he was shot in the back as we all ran." Later a witness at a nearby tall building saw him lying on the ground. "I saw him lift one of arms up for help, but the soldiers just ran past him," she said. "Then he stopped moving." He was a big man: 6 soldiers lugged him away "like a sack of hammers," another witness said.


The rest of the crowd dispersed. "We ran along the pavements, keeping low, desperately seeking shelter, chased by gunfire and explosions," said one breathless participant. "The nearest side street was 33rd Street, narrow like so many in the downtown area, and it was a seething bottleneck of people: sitting ducks. So we ran on and ran north up 34th Street, and were still running by the time we reached the end of it."

"People said the soldiers had used tear gas," another person who was at the gathering said. "I know for a fact they didn't, because we never felt its sting in our eyes."


But there were tears in people's eyes nevertheless. An old man, a retired engineer, choked with emotion. When asked him if he had joined the protests. he replied "No, I am too old now to run from bullets." As he spoke, more trucks of soldiers went past; one leaned from the back, trained his rifle on the crowds and scowled. "Quick, we must go," said the old man. "They are going to start shooting us." And he vanished into the crowds.

Another truck pulled up, full of bricks. Three men in the back began throwing the bricks on the road - ammunition for the protesters. But riot police were already trudging up Sule Pagoda Road, scores of them, banging their truncheons against their shields to menace. An even more menacing sight was behind: hundreds of troops, marching in formation, sealing off downtown Rangoon. Not one protester threw a brick at the soldiers. The truck roared off again.


Still, the people didn't entirely disperse. Between the riot police and the troops were trucks with loudspeakers making announcements to clear the streets. For more than a week - for most of their lifetimes - Burmese have called peacefully for dialogue. This was the closest the junta got to it: screaming at them through loudspeakers from a truck surrounded by men with guns.


The rest of the monks - the great columns the world had been marveling over for a week now - never came.

Hundreds, possibly thousands of troops now rule the streets of downtown Rangoon. All afternoon there has been gunfire to the east, some of it sustained, and each time it is over a great cheer goes up. Miraculously, despite the bloodshed, people are still protesting. And they are still chanting their defiant mantra - the tune must be stuck in everyone's head, protesters and soldiers alike:

Let everyone be free from danger
Let everyone be free from anger
Let everyone be free from hardship

There are reports of the dead arriving at hospitals. Blood on the floors of raided monasteries. Soldiers digging a mass grave in a football pitch near the Shwedagon. And army trucks with heavy Bren machine-guns cruising the streets, looking for prey.

It is 5 p.m., Rangoon time, and there is still hear gunfire - continuous gunfire, loud, high caliber, some of it very close, some of it caroming through the streets to the east. Reached by phone, a Burmese man who lives in the area and is holed up in his house, is asked what is happening. His heartbreaking reply: "They are hunting us."

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[LaoSexMachine]

Who cares about Burma? Halo 3 is out and Paris Hilton is seeing someone new.

[vinny_121_ND]

Friday is supposed to be some kind of international protest day... for Burma..

but it looks like the military is being quite clever this time and china looking the other way so eh..

China doesn't give a hoot if a nuclear war started, as long as their economy doesn't get affected, and the nuclear fall out doesn't reach the motherland.

[LaoSexMachine]

I'll be wearing one.

[ltrowley]

This is what bugs me about peace activists is the selectivity of their causes. It seems war in the middle east is far more trendy to protest against than atrocities in Darfur, or Burma, or Zimbabwe.

Not to belitle the situation in Iraq, by no means, but come on guys, theres sh!t going on, on a second by second basis worldwide here...

[Jaegermeister + Red Bull]

China doesn't give a hoot if a nuclear war started, as long as their economy doesn't get affected, and the nuclear fall out doesn't reach the motherland.

Wow, I cant believe me and you actually agree on something... :hug:

[Bala_Mg]

from kohtike blogspot

This is what i got from my mail and telling what was happening with him on 27/09/07


Below is an actual of what had happen yesterday on 27/9/07.

I am a Singaporean working in Myanmar for the past 11 years.
I was on my way to office( near Thuwana area) at around 4 to 4.30pm when the riot police block the road near "Super one, ILBC area". I stop my car with my wife and walk out. suddenly riot police and soldiers drove the truck around the corner and start firing shots at the crowd. we quickly ran to the side and squat down near the wall.
The soldiers came down and start to shoot at us. I was shot twice but i did not know what hit me. My both leg were bruised. the soldiers and police kicked us and the rest of the crowds into the drain and shouted that they would kill us if we look at them.


We were forced to stay in the drain for 15 mins and gather by the into a group.
A commander came and gather his troops and drove off to Tamwe direction.
After that ,i looked at my injures and and found injures on my left and right legs.
My wife found the "40mm riot control munnition" empty cartridge that the soldiers shoot at me.

I would like the embassy and media to know the actions of this army.
We are just ordinary citizen going to work and they just shot at us for no reason.
Imagine what they would do to the protesters!

I would like the Singapore government would make a strong stand against this violence crack down on the monks and people.


attached is the photo of my injures .
I have been attended by a private doctor on my injures.
The doctor said i was very lucky that the shot missed the groin area.

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