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Kilgor
05-07-2004, 12:51 AM
AN ARMY OF SCUM

Ted Rall

NEW YORK--Now it's official: American troops occupying Iraq (news - web sites) have become virtually indistinguishable from the SS. Like the Germans during World War II, they cordon off and bomb civilian villages to retaliate for guerilla attacks on their convoys. Like the blackshirts who terrorized Europe, America's victims disappear into hellish prisons ruled by sadists and murderers. The U.S. military is short just one item to achieve moral parity with the Nazis: gas chambers.


"Numerous incidents of sadistic, blatant and wanton criminal abuses were inflicted on several detainees" by soldiers, freelance mercenaries and professional torturers under the command of CIA (news - web sites) intelligence officers at Baghdad's Abu Ghraib prison, according to an internal government report. The detainees, about 60 percent of them assumed to be innocent by the Americans themselves, were routinely beaten, sodomized "with a chemical light or broomstick," urinated upon, tied to electrified wires and threatened with death, stripped and forced to perform homo****** *** acts on each other and U.S. troops. Don't be fooled by military apologists who insist that these American SS are nothing more than a few bad apples. Seymour Hersh, who has read the army's internal report, quotes Major General Antonio Taguba as saying that U.S.-committed atrocities are "systemic, endemic throughout the command structure...[The soldier-torturers] were being told what to do and told it was OK."


True, most soldiers probably don't condone torture. But all soldiers have been tarnished by it. George W. Bush's new gulag archipelago, a string of concentration camps, military and INS prisons that span the globe from North Carolina to Iraq to Afghanistan (news - web sites) to Guantánamo Bay to New York City, has been designed to give torturers the veil of secrecy they require to carry out their hideous acts as well as the tacit understanding that they won't be held accountable. The Red Cross, defense lawyers and relatives of the victims, few of whom are charged with a crime, are denied access to the detainees or even the simple confirmation that they're being held by our government.


Some soldiers, like Sergeant Ivan Frederick II, "questioned some of the things I saw," such as "leaving inmates in their cell with no clothes or in female underpants, handcuffing them to the door." But when he discussed these abuses with his superiors, he says they brushed him off: "This is how military intelligence wants it done."


As proven by the classic psychological experiments of the '50s, people put in a position of total power over another human being find it hard to resist abusing their charges. Prison guards mistreat inmates for a simple reason: they can. Wherever one controls another, sadism is inevitable. However, this tragic truism can be mitigated by creating mechanisms to ensure transparency behind bars. Granting prisoners access to attorneys, journalists and other members of the outside world, unannounced inspections by human rights agencies, recognizing their rights under the Geneva Conventions and rigorous prosecutions of criminal guards can never entirely eliminate abuse, but they're essential to prisons run by democratic societies.


We know about Abu Ghraib only because the inbred psychos who forced **** Iraqi men to pile up in pyramids were dumb enough to snap photographs as mementos of their time liberating the nation from Saddam. It's like the Rodney King video: cops beat up blacks every day, but there usually isn't a camera around.


Abu Ghraib, you can bet your bottom dollar, is merely the tip of the iceberg. Our military is structurally corrupt. Beginning in Afghanistan during the weeks after 9/11, civilian command yielded to the amoral gangster mentality of the arrogant intelligence officers of Army Special Forces and the CIA, who stand accused of massacring thousands of captured Taliban prisoners yet have never faced a real investigation. The new tone of lawlessness comes all the way from the White House, directed by a commander-in-chief who starts illegal wars without justification, strips captured prisoners of their rights under the Geneva Convention and whose smirky fingers-crossed response to the prisoner abuse scandal--"I shared a deep disgust that those prisoners were treated the way they were treated...Their treatment does not reflect the nature of the American people"--sends a wink and a nudge to our uniformed torturers. Keep it up, boys. Keep those broomsticks busy.


Even our coalition partners are getting the message. British soldiers running a coalition gulag in Basra reported smashing the jaw and teeth of an Iraqi accused of stealing, then dumping the broken body of the accused thief off the back of a moving truck. "They did not know whether he survived," writes The New York Times.


One more Iraqi, it seems, who won't be tossing roses at his liberators.


(Ted Rall is the author of "Wake Up, You're Liberal: How We Can Take America Back From the Right," out this week. Ordering information is available at amazon.com.)

There are few people on this earth id wish harm on, and normally im a passive person, but i seriously hope this guy ends up being killed in a horrible horrible death.

:fork:

Fintin
05-07-2004, 12:53 AM
puts on lotion and sits back to get a nice tan when this thing gets as hot as the sun

American Patriot
05-07-2004, 12:56 AM
ahh freedom of speech.

spoonman
05-07-2004, 01:08 AM
i've seen this three or four times with no supporting link. do you have one?

mobster
05-07-2004, 01:11 AM
Someone is going to whack this ****. I will not be unhappy when it happens. He needs to go.

Kilgor
05-07-2004, 01:18 AM
i've seen this three or four times with no supporting link. do you have one?

ooops

http://www.uexpress.com/tedrall/

henksmoeder
05-07-2004, 01:56 AM
Nobody must die for having a different opinion!

HELEX
05-07-2004, 05:02 AM
Someone is going to whack this f***. I will not be unhappy when it happens. He needs to go.

So you dont like freedom of speech? Somebody should whack you, Nazi. :cantbeli:

dacanadianbomb
05-07-2004, 05:31 AM
Hey, its Freedom of speech, he can say what he wants , when he wants. Noone is allowed to stop him.
But look at what he is writing. Where I work we have a certain method of dealing with rubbish like this . " Dont even ignore it " .

Read it have a laugh about how stupid some people can be and get back to doing something worth your time.
Like reading some good articles on www.militaryphotos.net.
just my thoughts


Helex, He didnt say anything about not liking free speech. He just inappropriately stated his disliking of a person he doestn know personally probably.
Also nochmal durchlesen, und dann erst was schreiben.Und ihn Nazi zu schimpfen ist auch echt ein komplete idioten aktion.

front
05-07-2004, 10:35 AM
The subtitle of that article is "Or, We're Looking For a Few Good Homo****** Rapists"

Hooooooly Sheeeeet. Ted Rall does not pull any punches.

" Some soldiers, like Sergeant Ivan Frederick II, "questioned some of the things I saw," such as "leaving inmates in their cell with no clothes or in female underpants, handcuffing them to the door." But when he discussed these abuses with his superiors, he says they brushed him off: "This is how military intelligence wants it done.""

"female underpants?" What sort of sick **** thought that one up? I'm sure it was very effective.

"CORMAN
"Well, you see Willard... In this war, things get confused
out there, power, ideals, the old morality, and practical
military necessity. Out there with these natives it must be
a temptation to be god. Because there's a conflict in
every human heart between the rational and the irrational,
between good and evil. The good does not always triumph.
Sometimes the dark side overcomes what Lincoln called
the better angels of our nature. Every man has got a
breaking point. You and I have. Walter Kurtz has reached his.
And very obviously, he has gone insane."

WILLARD
"Yes sir, very much so sir. Obviously insane.""

http://www.corky.net/scripts/apocalypseNow.html

cheers

front

scm77
05-07-2004, 10:43 AM
"The U.S. military is short just one item to achieve moral parity with the Nazis: gas chambers"

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Someone should throw him in a gas chamber. :bash: :fork:

HELEX
05-07-2004, 10:49 AM
"The U.S. military is short just one item to achieve moral parity with the Nazis: gas chambers"

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Someone should throw him in a gas chamber. :bash: :fork:

Thats among the dumbest things I've ever heard.... :roll:

Maine Finn
05-07-2004, 10:50 AM
"The U.S. military is short just one item to achieve moral parity with the Nazis: gas chambers"

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Someone should throw him in a gas chamber. :bash: :fork:

Thats among the dumbest things I've ever heard.... :roll:

And now begins the muckstorm. Wonderful.

Glad I'm leaving.

king_nothing100
05-07-2004, 10:56 AM
Yeah humiliating and beating less than a 100 Iraqi criminals is so much like driving round in the mobile gas chamber inviting European Jew's inside, or experimenting steroids on pregnant women. Is this the same guy who made that stupid cartoon about that NFL player?

American Patriot
05-07-2004, 11:05 AM
Only the government can suppress freedom of speech. If I kick his pansy panty waist ass he would still have all his rights.

NcDeuce
05-07-2004, 11:31 AM
"The U.S. military is short just one item to achieve moral parity with the Nazis: gas chambers"

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Someone should throw him in a gas chamber. :bash: :fork:

Thats among the dumbest things I've ever heard.... :roll:

HELEX, you shouldn't be talking...

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=11774&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=80

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=11774&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=64

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=11774&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=48

Keyboard
05-07-2004, 12:16 PM
Yup, same guy king_nothing.

JiJoMacLE45
05-07-2004, 12:37 PM
Freedom of speech should have a common sense clause. If you violate the clause then you are placed in a cage at your local zoo with a gorilla during mating season.

GrimmyRX
05-07-2004, 02:31 PM
"The U.S. military is short just one item to achieve moral parity with the Nazis: gas chambers"

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Someone should throw him in a gas chamber. :bash: :fork:

Actually, the US does have Gas Chambers, as does Canada, all of NATO, most of the world... etc.

But we call them Gas Huts now, lol. (well, at least in Canada) rofl

GrimmyRX
05-07-2004, 02:35 PM
Freedom of speech should have a common sense clause. If you violate the clause then you are placed in a cage at your local zoo with a gorilla during mating season.

The problem with putting a "commen sense" clause in is that what may be commen sense to one person, may not be commen sense to another.

For example.

The US in the 1930: commen sense: Homo******s are the devil. Women wearing pants? NEVER! No skirts above the knee, etc.. Women with equal pay? Why? they should be in the kitchen making dinner.

Take all that and compair with commen sense now. Not the same, eh?

If you want parity in time, then look at commen sense between racial groups, or even just between states.

Old300
05-07-2004, 02:47 PM
The First Amendment prohibits the federal government from censoring various forms of speech without due process of law. The 1st Amendment does not prohibit an employer (say, a newspaper) from censoring one of its employees; nor would it prohibit the federal government in all circumstances from censoring a private citizen. We have a freedom of speech, but it is limited in its application to government action; and it is limited even within that application.

In other words, you can believe strongly in a person's right not to have the federal government shut him up, while you yourself may (in a philosophically consistent and perfectly legal sense) do everything you can to keep him from making an ass of himself by opening his mouth or picking up his pen.

Merik
05-07-2004, 02:56 PM
The First Amendment prohibits the federal government from censoring various forms of speech without due process of law. The 1st Amendment does not prohibit an employer (say, a newspaper) from censoring one of its employees; nor would it prohibit the federal government in all circumstances from censoring a private citizen. We have a freedom of speech, but it is limited in its application to government action; and it is limited even within that application.

In other words, you can believe strongly in a person's right not to have the federal government shut him up, while you yourself may (in a philosophically consistent and perfectly legal sense) do everything you can to keep him from making an ass of himself by opening his mouth or picking up his pen.


Thats not entirely true. During times of war the President has the power to quelch our freedom of speech and of the press.

Old300
05-07-2004, 03:07 PM
Merik, as I said, the First Amendment applies only to government action and it is limited even in that application. In other words, there are many instances in which the government can censor speech, including the scenario you raised, but also in many other mundane ways each and every day. Anyway, you're right: freedom is not absolute and may be suspended for any number of reasons. I was simplying informing people on this forum that wishing a moron would shut up is not a violation of the First Amendment.

American Patriot
05-07-2004, 03:18 PM
Freedom of speech should have a common sense clause. If you violate the clause then you are placed in a cage at your local zoo with a gorilla during mating season.

No because then we would be ****ed. There are better ways to fight the loony left red diaper baby pinko welfare state hippie ideologues.

Merik
05-07-2004, 03:31 PM
Merik, as I said, the First Amendment applies only to government action and it is limited even in that application. In other words, there are many instances in which the government can censor speech, including the scenario you raised, but also in many other mundane ways each and every day. Anyway, you're right: freedom is not absolute and may be suspended for any number of reasons. I was simplying informing people on this forum that wishing a moron would shut up is not a violation of the First Amendment.

Oh, cool beans man.

chopsticks
05-07-2004, 05:31 PM
He's comparing the US military in Iraq with the ss? What ss? You mean the waffen ss as in SchützStaffel? Or is it another ss? Because he shouldn't re-check his history books if he meant the waffen ss...

This man is really a moron... What's next? :roll:

DPGLAW
05-07-2004, 05:58 PM
I wouldn't be opposed to putting this guy in one of those gas chambers he so loves to write about....or in the alternative, drop him of fin Fallujah...hopefully they will beat, strip, kill, then drag his burning naked body through the streets....that would be justice for him.....Im all for freedom of Speech most of the time, however this guy dosent deserve rights.

He is just adding fuel to a fire that is all ready out of control. What those FEW soldiers did was wrong, but not that bad. all they appear to have done, based on evidence released thus far, is take embarassing pictures.

this guy is a real piece of ****