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karbol
07-17-2007, 11:45 PM
please, check this link:

http://www.alternet .org/waroniraq/ 56761/?page= 1 (http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/56761/?page=1)

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http://www.theage. com.au/news/ world/us- troops-tell- of-brutal- side-of-iraq- war/2007/ 07/15/1184438120 925.html (http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/us-troops-tell-of-brutal-side-of-iraq-war/2007/07/15/1184438120925.html)

US troops tell of 'brutal side' of Iraq war
July 15, 2007 - 10:38AM

US war veterans' eye-witness accounts of brutal events in the war in Iraq
have been published in a US magazine.

The leftist weekly magazine The Nation has devoted its entire July 30
edition to the testimonies of 50 US troops shocked by the heavy civilian
casualty toll exacted by the US-led occupation of Iraq.

"Just the carnage, all the blown-up civilians, blown-up bodies that I saw
... I started thinking like, 'Why? What was this for?"' said army specialist
Jeff Englehart.

The weekly said it was the "the first time so many on-the-record, named
eyewitnesses from within the US military have been assembled in one place
to openly corroborate ... a brutal side of the war rarely seen on television
screens or chronicled in newspaper accounts".

Only the Los Angeles Times daily has written about The Nation's issue,
which on Saturday continued to go unreported by the country's main
television stations and newspapers.

The Nation said it spent seven months gathering the testimonials of 50
soldiers, from private to captain, praising their courage of openly telling
what they had gone through.

"Many of these veterans returned home deeply disturbed by the disparity
between the reality of the war and the way it is portrayed by the US
government and American media," said the magazine.

The witnesses stressed that not all troops took part in indiscriminate
killings, which were mostly "perpetrated by a minority".

The soldiers, "nevertheless described such acts as common and said they
often go unreported - and almost always go unpunished", the magazine added.

"The war the vets described is a dark and even depraved enterprise, one that
bears a powerful resemblance to other misguided and brutal colonial wars
and occupations, from the French occupation of Algeria to the American
war in Vietnam and the Israeli occupation of Palestinian territory," The
Nation said.

"I guess while I was there, the general attitude was, 'A dead Iraqi is just
another dead Iraqi'," said Englehart, 26, who served in Baquba, northeast
of Baghdad, for a year beginning in February 2004.
AFP.

HunterG
07-18-2007, 12:10 AM
This is a propaganda piece, not news. There have been many wars fought the costs are similarly unremarkable. Reporting this doesn't do any good regardless your views; just spreads the pain - it's going to happen no matter. Best to get on with it and get it done quickly.

INAT
07-18-2007, 12:19 AM
I read a quote today that I think might be apropos to the story.

"If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you.
Don Marquis

Great quote and true.

Con-man
07-18-2007, 12:21 AM
Bah, Iraq is very brutal yes and being open can help very much with whats been seen over there, but to be quite honest being open to a leftist newspaper really wasn't the way to go. Furthermore the magazine is trying to drag different events under different circumstance into the article such as Vietnam and Israel.

BLUE THOR
07-18-2007, 12:23 AM
why do they feel so much pain?? perhaps because Society doesnt back up the army like it used too. im not trying to cheapen the horrible experiences and memories the Veterans of the Korean War and wars prior have, but since then war has no longer been "the right thing", its always been "wrong", they came home to parades and glory, we get off the plane, hug the missus and kids (if that) and go back to existing in society..
Society isnt backing us up like they used to- and the media is responsible for that through sensationalist reporting, for making our lives and our jobs tougher than they need to be.. bastards

INAT
07-18-2007, 12:24 AM
Bah, Iraq is very brutal yes and being open can help very much with whats been seen over there, but to be quite honest being open to a leftist newspaper really wasn't the way to go. Furthermore the magazine is trying to drag different events under different circumstance into the article such as Vietnam and Israel.


Do you understand the idea of cause and effect and action and reaction? Huh sonny?:bash: :)

Con-man
07-18-2007, 12:43 AM
Cause - horrors of Iraq
Effect - go to leftist newspaper

I understand now :| Seriously though, I openly support the men and women in uniform and back them up when it comes to dealing with what they've been through. But can't see reason in going to a magazine (or any media for that matter) considering the nature of the business which could've meant bastardisation of the soldiers by said magazine.

8thidpathfinderpower
07-18-2007, 12:56 AM
Ok....I have a question...everyone knows this is a piece of shyte article, being put on here, I mind you to start a flame war, by a newby....why does every one feed into this?

BLUE THOR
07-18-2007, 01:03 AM
Ok....I have a question...everyone knows this is a piece of shyte article, being put on here, I mind you to start a flame war, by a newby....why does every one feed into this?

because im F***king bored!!!!rofl

INAT
07-18-2007, 01:10 AM
because im F***king bored!!!!rofl


AAARRHH! Lets all go and loot in our respective cities.:)
That too will solve boredom i never thought i would agree with pathfinder but he is c-c-correct.

Chops
07-18-2007, 09:02 AM
I've read the article. There is very, very little there which justifies the 'dark and even depraved enterprise' as quoted in the byline. I read the piece waiting for the big rape/pillage/murder scenario to appear and... nothing. Yes civilians accidentally killed at VCPs or during contacts. Yes kids with AKs being unloaded on. Very regrettable, very tragic but falling far short of the hyperbole. Gotta love the press.

Maktab
07-18-2007, 09:02 AM
Jeff Englehart, eh? Wasn't he the same retarded moron (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4417024.stm) who helped cause the white phosphorus manufactured scandal? The guy lied through his teeth then and I'd have immense difficulty trusting what he says now.

And if he's The Nation's poster-boy on this, we can only guess that the other 50 soldiers it chose are even loonier. So if you're looking for an objective look at the war in Iraq, look elsewhere. This is just a propaganda fluff piece being put out there by a bunch of hacks with an axe to grind.

bugkill
07-18-2007, 11:59 AM
just realized who this guy was. not worth my time, lol.

sp2c
07-18-2007, 12:27 PM
please, check this link:

http://www.alternet .org/waroniraq/ 56761/?page= 1 (http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/56761/?page=1)

The soldiers, "nevertheless described such acts as common and said they
often go unreported - and almost always go unpunished", the magazine added.

why didn't any of the 50 soldiers in question report it?

no wonder it goes unpunished ... I'm takin it with salt

Ratamacue
07-18-2007, 07:17 PM
I've read the article. There is very, very little there which justifies the 'dark and even depraved enterprise' as quoted in the byline. I read the piece waiting for the big rape/pillage/murder scenario to appear and... nothing. Yes civilians accidentally killed at VCPs or during contacts. Yes kids with AKs being unloaded on. Very regrettable, very tragic but falling far short of the hyperbole. Gotta love the press.It doesn't really matter. When the average person reads this kind of stuff, they don't know the difference, and it'll sow more and more doubt in their minds. It doesn't even really matter what the content of the article is. A good headline can have tremendous influence.