54 Romanian Imigrants living on Motorway Roundabout (Dublin)

[SHAM]

This has been ongoing for a month or so now.
32 Adults and 22 Children, allegedly from the same family living in a campsite in the middle of a motorway.
The cops have offered to repatriate them twice but they have refused the offer, as they are from Romania they have no work permits and are not entitled to asylum or social welfare payments, which they knew before they came.
Any of the other EU member states experiencing similar?

An extended family of over 50 Roma gypsies encamped on the M50 roundabout at Ballymun are being subjected to racist abuse, a coalition of charities and NGOs claimed today.

Calling for state intervention to help the Rostas family, who have been living in the open for nearly two months, the coalition group says it is seeking immediate action to end what it describes as a "humanitarian crisis".

Sara Russell, Roma co-ordinator with Pavee Point travellers centre told ireland.com the family is being adversely affected by legislation introduced by the Irish Government prior to Romania joining the EU which prevents them from availing of social welfare assistance. As a result, she says, the Rostas are being forced to live in "horrific conditions".

The roundabout is infested with rubbish and vermin and due to the location of the makeshift camp the risk of injury or fatality from a traffic accident is of serious concern
Sara Russell, Roma co-ordinator with Pavee Point Romanians are restricted from working in Ireland unless they have a work visa or are self-employed, although they do have freedom of movement within the EU.

Under a "habitual residency" condition of their right to travel to Ireland - introduced by the Government to prevent "welfare tourism" - Romanians and other former accession country nationals are unable to access social welfare unless they can prove they are normally resident in Ireland or plan to remain in the country for a long period of time.

Thirty-two adults and 22 children are currently living on the roundabout without running water, sanitation, adequate heat or shelter and recently, members of the public have visited the site hurling verbal abuse and throwing eggs at the family, Ms Russell said.

"The roundabout is infested with rubbish and vermin and due to the location of the makeshift camp the risk of injury or fatality from a traffic accident is of serious concern. In order to avert a road accident and a public health crisis we are seeking urgent humanitarian intervention," she added.

Ms Russell said the four Dublin local authorities and the HSE homeless persons unit are responsible for providing emergency accommodation for the family.

"These agencies need to act immediately to assist these families in leaving the roundabout and into emergency accommodation," she said.

Ms Russell also insisted the HSE has a statutory obligation under the Child Care Act 1991 to protect and promote the welfare of all the children in the State

[Ordie]

I wonder how the Roma will get along with the local "Travelers" (Irish Nomads).

[PeterG]

I see more and more of these people begging in our streets - and i'm sick of it, to be completely honest. I would really like to punch them in the face when they hassle me. Gangs of them are also driving around stealing everything that's not bolted down. Why we allow them in here is a mystery to me - none of them contribute anything at all except for begging and criminal activity. And they are not ashamed to use their children for begging either. I saw an interview with a manager of a store (computers, hifi etc. ) who said up to 75% of all thefts are by eastern european criminals. Poles and lithuanians also seem to make up a large part of the eastern european crime wawe here. There was an article in the paper yesterday, on how polish criminals were laughing at our judiciary system that is incapable of dealing effectively with them.

[Musashi]

I saw an interview with a manager of a store (computers, hifi etc. ) who said up to 75% of all thefts are by eastern european criminals. Poles and lithuanians also seem to make up a large part of the eastern european crime wawe here. There was an article in the paper yesterday, on how polish criminals were laughing at our judiciary system that is incapable of dealing effectively with them.
Poland is located in Central Europe - improve your geography instead of ridiculing yourself at MP.net.

As for the Romanian gypsies. We experienced the same problem in Poland about 10 years ago. These people were standing in railway stations sleeping amongst human shiit and gave off inhuman stink. They were extremely insistent with their begging, accosted people in streets and often used children for this purpose. For example a kid knelt, clutched somebody's leg and was begging.

[Ordie]

Why we allow them in here is a mystery to me - .

They know where the money is at.
Norway is the third largest oil exporter earning 61 Billion Euros annually with low unemployment and generous welfare (with the highest sick leave rate in the world).

At the same time, the low birth rate coupled with the massive retirement of baby boomers. Norway will find it difficult to backfill in the manufacturing sector and may rely more on its oil sector. Therefore jobs in the non-oil service sector may need to be filled through immigration.

For me I would not consider moving to a country with a right wing government (Progress party), that kills whales, and a pint of beer cost $10.00.

[johanness]

Poland is located in Central Europe - improve your geography instead of ridiculing yourself at MP.net.

As for the Romanian gypsies. We experienced the same problem in Poland about 10 years ago. These people were standing in railway stations sleeping amongst human shiit and gave off inhuman stink. They were extremely insistent with their begging, accosted people in streets and often used children for this purpose. For example a kid knelt, clutched somebody's leg and was begging.

8 years ago I travelled to Romania to visit Draculas Castle at Bran.
The castle was very nice restoured,the countryside is great and people was really friendly.
But if you look a little bit aside ,you could see a world of it's owen which you would never expect in Europa.
Specially the Gypsies are a kind of people that live at their owen rules.
I saw boys with broken bones , grew together in a wrong way ,only to make them better beggars (happened to "ugly" girls,too)."Normal" children tought to steal or prostitute .

Countries like Romania,Bulgaria,Hungary and Slowakia have massive problems with this ethnecy ,'cause they are fast growing and the only income is the social welfare.
And for sure ,they move west as fast as they can afford.

[Russian_dude]

Hey, Europe wanted to spite Russia by absorbing all these countries, but looks like they bit off more then they can chew.

I think the Gipsys need to be forcibly integrated or kicked out back to India. It is unspeakable that in 21st century we can have some nomads, roaming Europe answering no-one.

[INAT]

8 years ago I travelled to Romania to visit Draculas Castle at Bran.
The castle was very nice restoured,the countryside is great and people was really friendly.
But if you look a little bit aside ,you could see a world of it's owen which you would never expect in Europa.
Specially the Gypsies are a kind of people that live at their owen rules.
I saw boys with broken bones , grew together in a wrong way ,only to make them better beggars (happened to "ugly" girls,too)."Normal" children tought to steal or prostitute .

Countries like Romania,Bulgaria,Hungary and Slowakia have massive problems with this ethnecy ,'cause they are fast growing and the only income is the social welfare.
And for sure ,they move west as fast as they can afford.


Yeah they are a people called the Roma.They are a problem in Srbija also living in tents and boxes.I know they are some good musicians Serbian couples walking along the Danube often will give them a few dinars to play
some Srpski songs.They also sadly have a lot of hate aimed at them they are seen as inferior.I remember once when i was little in Novi Sad a Roma man and his son had a bear with a ring through its nose and had it on a leash just walking the street like it way ok.It was crazy People pay them to perform or play music they very very poor.:|

[Marmot1]

Same problem here in poland. They were begging, stealing, and none wanted to work. They even rented children to each other in order to get better results in begging. We used to deport them, but after joining EU it is little more complicated. However now they moved westwards and there is less of them in Poland.

[PeterG]

Poland is located in Central Europe - improve your geography instead of ridiculing yourself at MP.net.


Wikipedia: "The majority of people in Poland, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary, Croatia and Slovenia often consider their countries to be part of Central Europe rather than Eastern Europe, while many sources, especially in English-speaking countries, as well as the United Nations, continue to classify these countries as Eastern Europe."

I hardly feel like i 'ridiculed' myself for calling Poland 'eastern european'... As far as i know, we have always done that. But if this is an important distinction for people in Poland, i will remember it and respect that..

[PeterG]

For me I would not consider moving to a country with a right wing government (Progress party), that kills whales, and a pint of beer cost $10.00.

We have a leftist coalition government, social democrats and the socialist leftist party. I am against whaling too - but see the horrible conditions animals live under in industrial farming to be a much, much bigger problem. And the price of alcohol should reflect the cost it has on society, i see no problem in that.

[Bacilluspolymyxa]

So far I have not heard of any criminal activity or begging but nearly every Big Issue (Homeless Charity Magazine) seller is now a Roma, a few are getting into scrap and junk collecting as are a some Poles. I have never seen any Poles begging but many of the current wave of young Poles don’t have any moral issues when it comes to stealing, one Polish girl I have spoken to who has been here 9 years reckons that the UK is now getting Poland’s unemployable. A fairly large number of Polish girls are now flogging their mutton on the streets of Glasgow and Edinburgh.

[futurepilot2004]

So far I have not heard of any criminal activity or begging but nearly every Big Issue (Homeless Charity Magazine) seller is now a Roma
I don`t really have a problem with Big Issue sellers. At least they are making an effort. What annoys me is the people who come up to you with their hands out and who shout abuse at you if you don`t give them anything.

[SHAM]

Rumor has it the cops are going to forcefully deport them.
No doubt they will be back as soon as they have "amassed" enough money for the commute.

[non]

Forgive me but I'm confused. The article firtst calls the Rostas family "Roma", then almost immediately mentions "Romania". Uh, Roma and Romania are totally unrelated. Are they actually from Romania? The article does not specifically say, and, I ask because of claims of the Rostas family being "adversely affected by legislation introduced by the Irish govnt. prior to Romania joining EU." I think she's confusing Gypsies with Romanians here. Has anyone asked the Rostas family where they'd prefer to live? They'd probably mention a vacant lot or some undeveloped property well outside of town.

[SHAM]

Forgive me but I'm confused. The article firtst calls the Rostas family "Roma", then almost immediately mentions "Romania". Uh, Roma and Romania are totally unrelated. Are they actually from Romania? The article does not specifically say, and, I ask because of claims of the Rostas family being "adversely affected by legislation introduced by the Irish govnt. prior to Romania joining EU." I think she's confusing Gypsies with Romanians here. Has anyone asked the Rostas family where they'd prefer to live? They'd probably mention a vacant lot or some undeveloped property well outside of town.

They are Romanians.

[halda]

"Roma" is their word for "gypsy". It means "people" in the Romani language.

Roma and Romani has nothing to do ethnically or linguistically with Romanian.

I'm a fairly tolerant sort, but having lived and traveled in East-Central Europe and the Balkans, and learning a little bit about Roma ethos, it's hard for me to sympathize greatly with their plight. Although, I feel sad for the children born into most Roma families. It's a shîtty, shîtty life that makes life in the worst Brazilian favela seem cushy in comparison.

In short, in traditional Roma communities packed into cities the women and children beg/steal. The men get wasted on the earnings they occasionally get as manual laborers. There are high rates of alcoholism, drug addiction, crime and unemployment. And they're trapped in a highly backwards and ignorant culture that IMO keeps themselves down.

The fact that larger societies are highly suspicious (for good reason) of Roma adds to the disaster.

The only ones who rise above it (many of whom become successful as entertainers, musicians and artists) are ones who assimilate. That's the reality.

[daily666]

Guys, don't confuse Roma with Romanians. However the latter began to show up on our(!) streets and beg for money. There's a Romanian girl (who speaks French!) standing on the "Kartuska" exit from Tri-city Ringway near where I live. And there are few more I noticed in the vincity of my shopping center. They are definately not Roma (Gypsies) but Romanians.

[Kippari]

Yeah, the Roma people can sometimes be a really pain in the ass. They steal, they sell junk but atleast in here they always dress into straight pants, jackets and ties. Though they like to look rich they usually don't have other work but in horse-breeding or race track -business. It's funny to see them walking down the street with stolen Ray Bans on their noses. The Romanians on the other hand come here poor but quickly integrate and get jobs. Infact my neighbour is Romanian and he works as a chemist in the university.

[Ordie]

The only ones who rise above it (many of whom become successful as entertainers, musicians and artists) are ones who assimilate. That's the reality.

One does not need to assimilate to be successful. Many "Gitano" artists are celebrated because of thier culture. And is synonymous with Spanish and French cultures.

[futurepilot2004]

Forgive me but I'm confused. The article firtst calls the Rostas family "Roma", then almost immediately mentions "Romania". Uh, Roma and Romania are totally unrelated. Are they actually from Romania? The article does not specifically say, and, I ask because of claims of the Rostas family being "adversely affected by legislation introduced by the Irish govnt. prior to Romania joining EU." I think she's confusing Gypsies with Romanians here. Has anyone asked the Rostas family where they'd prefer to live? They'd probably mention a vacant lot or some undeveloped property well outside of town.

Uh...they are Roma and they`re from Romania.

There is no confusion between Romanians living here and Roma. They are Roma and are from Romania.

Has anyone asked them where they`d prefere to live??? I`m sure in a house provided by the state but they aren`t entitled to that so they aren`t going to get it.
And I`m sorry but a "vacant lot" as you call it anywhere near Dublin costs a hell of a lot more then they can afford. So why exactly should we pay for that?????

[non]

Futurepilot, I didn't ask you to pay for anything.My comment about a vacant lot was meant to be a reflection on their will towards nomadism. Apparently, I was too flippant...The article was not clear on the connections to Romania( since you asked,and, the only reason you have the facts is because you live near by or have referenced another article. It was an innocuous enough question.). Go have a pint (of Budweiser) on me, sweety, and, stop thinking that taking things personal makes you appear dignified and intelligent, or, for that matter, that being Irish gives you an excuse to start a fight over nothing.

[Meteor]

Guys, don't confuse Roma with Romanians. However the latter began to show up on our(!) streets and beg for money. There's a Romanian girl (who speaks French!) standing on the "Kartuska" exit from Tri-city Ringway near where I live. And there are few more I noticed in the vincity of my shopping center. They are definately not Roma (Gypsies) but Romanians.


No **** , are you kind to tell me how do you make the difference between romanians and gypsies ?

[MichaelF]

For me I would not consider moving to a country with a right wing government (Progress party), that kills whales, and a pint of beer cost $10.00.

If they could turn whales into beer, they'd be set.

[Kaapeli]

Most of the gypsie (Roma) asylum/job/whatever seekers are coming from Romania at the moment where they apparently aren't liked much and live in poverty.
We had a wave of them coming to Finland just a while ago (~500 people). They flew in, registered as asylum seekers, cashed in on their wellfare, stole stuff from local stores and then disappeared without notifying anyone or usually even waiting for their asylum decision. Most propably moved on to the next country to do the same thing all over again. Some went back to Romania with their loot. And a few stayed illegally as criminals.
It's called "asylum seeker tourism" what they do. They use asylum seeking as a pretext to move around and get some free money in the process.

[Russian_dude]

I think gypsyism should be banned. Everybody on European territory should be registered.

[SHAM]

This is why we are having the current issue on the motorway. As they are now members of the EU, they are EU citizens and not entitled to asylum in any EU country, and also not entitled to social welfare or any state assistance of any kind. Although i did hear on the radio today that the social services have removed some of the children from the camp.
Like the pilot said, they are not getting a vacant lot and theres no state support, you give it to one group, you will instantly become a magnet for the rest of them.
Hopefully the Romanian embassy will take responsibilty for there homeless citizens and send them home and look after them.

[daily666]

No **** , are you kind to tell me how do you make the difference between romanians and gypsies ?

I didn't tell that to you personally so there's no need to get offensive. Many people don't disguise one from another (Roma/Romanian) so please be so kind and don't interrupt this discussion with useless posts.

[Ordie]

I didn't tell that to you personally so there's no need to get offensive. Many people don't disguise one from another (Roma/Romanian) so please be so kind and don't interrupt this discussion with useless posts.

What does this have to do with Rome and the Romans?

[SHAM]

FRIDAY 20/07/2007 16:47:34


Traveller's children taken into care

Roma gypsies camped on a roundabout on one of Dublin's busiest motorways have had three of their children taken into state care because of squalid living conditions.


More than 30 adults and children from the ethnic group have been living on the capital`s M50 ring road for almost two months, without proper shelter or sanitary provisions, during one of the wettest summers on record.

The Irish Roma Support Group, along with more than 20 Irish aid agencies, claims the settlers have been subjected to racist attacks and they are calling on the state to provide suitable accommodation.
While Romanian and Bulgarian citizens are free to travel within the EU, they need work permits to get a job and they are not entitled to state benefits or emergency accommodation.

In the latest development, the Health Service Executive (HSE) confirmed three children had been taken into care but would not provide any further details.

"The Homeless Strategy names the four Dublin local authorities and the HSE homeless persons unit as those responsible for providing emergency accommodation," a Roma Support Group spokeswoman said.

"These agencies need to act immediately to assist these families in leaving the roundabout and into emergency accommodation.

"We call on these agencies to provide the support desperately needed to affect positive outcomes for these families."

The Irish Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children (ISPCC) said the situation had become a matter of humanitarian concern.

Most of the Roma group arrived in the country via Dublin airport from Romania in April and set up a roadside camp in the north-west of the city.

But after being evicted they moved to the busy M50 motorway roundabout where they hoped the dense foliage would shield them from the public glare.

Makeshift tents built of cardboard were sited among the overgrown weeds.

It is understood there could be up to 15 children ranging in age from six weeks to nine years old at the camp, living in tents surrounded by rubbish, mud and human excrement.

Bad weather and a lack of rubbish collection, sanitary services and proper shelter in adverse weather are contributing to the dire living conditions.

Laura, 25, came to the Irish Republic to find work and make a better life for herself.

"I just want to make a home for myself and to find a job. I get money from people who stop along the road," she said.

"But it`s better than at home. We have a hope of something here," she said.

Across the camp, Alexander, 24, sits in his cardboard tent with his blond-haired blue-eyed boy, three-year-old Christen, playing next to him.

"I have no job, I have no home," he said, with the help of translator George Dancea, of the Irish Roma Support Group.

"I just sleep most of the day. He (Christen) plays. I`ll also go out and try to get some money," he said.

Irish Traveller support group Pavee Point provided the settlers with food and supplies, but are powerless to find them accommodation without the help of the state.

More than 21 agencies including Focus Ireland, the Children`s Rights Alliance, the Irish Association of Social Workers and Pavee Point are demanding Government intervention.

The HSE said it is trying to resolve the situation.

"HSE locally and nationally continues to work with all agencies to respond to the needs of the Roma families on the M50," a spokeswoman said.

"This has involved our social work staff, our nursing staff and area medical staff.

"The current issue is the public safety for these families.

"We have endeavoured to engage with the local authority to seek to resolve this as quickly as possible," she said

So they got off the plane, walked down the road from the airport, set up the first camp, got moved on by the cops, walked further down the road and set up a new camp.
I agree with all these groups calling on the government to take action, the government should be making public calls on the romanian embassy to take there homeless citizens home.

[FMolloy]

the government should be making public calls on the romanian embassy to take there homeless citizens home.

They've been offered transport back to Romania, but they turned it down. It has now transpired that while they are Romanian citizens they didn't come directly from there, most of them have been in Spain for the past few years.

[Meteor]

Many people don't disguise one from another (Roma/Romanian) .

:bash: First and most important you should be able to make the diferrence easily, yet you are not capable to make the difference but you draw the conclusion that those are romanians.

The romanians that are in EU countries (Germany, Spain etc) are hard workers, and the employers can testify for that.

[daily666]

:bash: First and most important you should be able to make the diferrence easily, yet you are not capable to make the difference but you draw the conclusion that those are romanians.

The romanians that are in EU countries (Germany, Spain etc) are hard workers, and the employers can testify for that.

Are you capable of reading und understanding what I wrote? Where did I write that Roma are Romanians? Roma (Gypsies not Rome the Empire!) and Romanians don't exactly mean the same, however many Roma (Romani) people come from Romania.

[Meteor]

^^^ :bash:


Guys, don't confuse Roma with Romanians. However the latter began to show up on our(!) streets and beg for money. There's a Romanian girl (who speaks French!) standing on the "Kartuska" exit from Tri-city Ringway near where I live. And there are few more I noticed in the vincity of my shopping center. They are definately not Roma (Gypsies) but Romanians.


Einstein, read again your reply ^^:fork:

You said it`s hard to make the difference between gypsies and romanians (although this is in reality very simple) but you know the little girl is romanian and not a gypsi.
Most certain the girl it`s a gypsi that went with the family touring Europe,and they stayed a long time in France, and even if they have romanian citizenship they are gypsies.

Take in consideration that only gypsies travel in relatively big groups and they take the children with them, it`s their trademark.

[SHAM]

^^^ :bash:





Einstein, read again your reply ^^:fork:

You said it`s hard to make the difference between gypsies and romanians (although this is in reality very simple) but you know the little girl is romanian and not a gypsi.
Most certain the girl it`s a gypsi that went with the family touring Europe,and they stayed a long time in France, and even if they have romanian citizenship they are gypsies.

And you didn`t respond to my question: how DO YOU make the difference between them ?


Claiming asylum in the EU prior to becoming an EU member state is hardly "touring europe".

How do you make the difference between who?

[Meteor]

Claiming asylum in the EU prior to becoming an EU member state is hardly "touring europe".

How do you make the difference between who?

Gypsies
Looks: they have dark hair/eyes,
Smell nasty
Lack of basic manners
Height approx 1.70
As i said they travel in large groups, with childrens, dogs n`****

Romanians couldn`t be more different;
blue or green eyes, brown or blond hair, different height, hygiene at the highest level.

The differences between them are more than obvious, the most important of them all, the romanians WORK for their money.

[Kowakian ML]

Gypsies
Looks: they have dark hair/eyes,
Smell nasty
Lack of basic manners
Height approx 1.70
As i said they travel in large groups, with childrens, dogs n`****

Romanians couldn`t be more different;
blue or green eyes, brown or blond hair, different height, hygiene at the highest level.

The differences between them are more than obvious, the most important of them all, the romanians WORK for their money.
Well, most of Romanians have dark eyes/hair.

It is a skin colour that made difference. Gypsies have darker skin than Romanians.

[SHAM]

Gypsies
Looks: they have dark hair/eyes,
Smell nasty
Lack of basic manners
Height approx 1.70
As i said they travel in large groups, with childrens, dogs n`****

Romanians couldn`t be more different;
blue or green eyes, brown or blond hair, different height, hygiene at the highest level.

The differences between them are more than obvious, the most important of them all, the romanians WORK for their money.

What are you banging on about, there are gypsies from many countries, ireland included and they all look different.
The thread is about homeless romanian imigrants.

[daily666]

Again. I said that many people confuse them. Not that it is difficult to distinguish them.

[SHAM]

Romanian group wants M50 gypsies removed
22 July 2007 By Nicola Cooke
The extended Romanian gypsy family living on a roundabout in Dublin, who have been served immigration papers by gardai, should be removed by the State or more such families will be encouraged to come here, according to an organisation set up to support Romanians in Ireland.

Garda National Immigration Bureau (GNBI) officers yesterday served immigration papers on 86 members of the Rostas family, who have been living at the N2-M50 roundabout for several weeks. Similar documents were also served on those at a derelict house on the Old Swords Road.

The group have 15 days to make representations to Minister for Justice Brian Lenihan as to why he should not make a removal order, in which case they would be transported back to Romania.

Last Thursday, the Health Service Executive (HSE) took three of the Roma children at the roundabout into their care.

One child has now been returned and a HSE spokeswoman said they ‘‘are actively seeking to reunite the other two children with their families’’.

Vasile Ros, the chairman of the Romanian Community of Ireland - a member of the New Communities Partnership of organisations representing minority ethnic groups - said that if the government gave in to the Rostas family’s demands for housing and associated services, more Romanian gypsies would travel to Ireland for this purpose.

‘‘These people are claiming that their situation in Romania is worse than their current setup in Ireland - I find this hard to believe,” he said. ‘‘How did they come up with the means to travel here?

‘‘At the moment, they are looking to get into local authority housing and be provided with meals and clothing - their only consideration of work is begging.

‘‘What they are doing is having a bad impact on the Irish perception of other Romanians living andworking here.”

The large Rostas family have been living in makeshift huts and tents in two separate encampments just off the M50 since shortly after they arrived in Ireland in May. Concern had been expressed about their presence on the busy road.

Yesterday, Travellers’ association Pavee Point called for emergency accommodation to be provided for the Rostas family.

Even the Romanian community in Ireland want them deported.

[wallach]

Hi, I’m Romanian and being much confusion in then world I want to say a few words…
1.Romania has about 22 millions people. According to 2002 census, ethnic groups are: Romanian 89.5%, Hungarian 6.6%, Roma 2.5%, Ukrainian 0.3%, German 0.3%, Russian 0.2%, Turkish 0.2%, other 0.4%. So officialy Roma (gypsies) represents only 2.5 % but many of them declare to be of Romanian ethnicity at census because to be a gypsy is not very well seen. Unofficial estimates show a number of about 2 millions Roma with Romanian citizenship.
2.Gypsies came from India in Middle Age and were slaves to Romanian boyars until XIX century. Their story is somewhat similar with afroamericans…but if the blaks ultimately have been integrated into American society, the gysies are still unintegrated in Romanian society. They call themselves Roma and this lead to a confusion with Romanians, giving the fact that Romania has a very large gypsy minority.
3. On the other hand, the Romanians are an south eastern european people wich speaks a language of latin origin (in the same family with French, Italian, Spanish and Portuguse languages) but with slavic and tracian influences. Their name comes from the Roman settlers which colonised south eastern Europe 2000 years ago. To confuse an ethnic Romanian with a gypsy from Romania is like I would say a French magrebian is a gallic Frenchman. Both have French citizenship but I cannot confuse the French (original) people with a minority which offcourse may be respectable (no offence to minorities ).
4. About this case: you know, these gypsies have made a lot of „lobby” for Romania since they are free to travel after 1989 revolution. I don’t want to say „give me a gun now” to welcome after the Irish will deport them but they did a LOT of BAD IMAGE for my country. So much that I see some people are confusing Romanians with Roma. They have the same behavior here as in Irland. Probably will take a few decades until they wil be integrated in Romania and other countries where they live.

[SHAM]

Finaly the Romanian Embassy has found a voice.

23 July 2007

M50 Roma have assets, say Gardaí

By Evelyn Ring
MEMBERS of the extended gypsy family living in squalor in Dublin on an M50 roundabout owned substantial property in Romania, it has ben claimed.


Gardaí believe that members of the Rostas family owned property in Romania, some of which has been described as “substantial”.

The Romanian Embassy in Dublin has made similar claims.

The extended family of 32 adults and 22 children told the travellers’ rights group, Pavee Point, that they came from Tileagd in Bihor, north-west of Romania, and lived in mud huts, tents and makeshift houses beside a rubbish dump.









Even living amid shrubbery on one of the busiest road junctions in the country for almost two months was an improvement in their situation, said group member and father of two, Danila Rostas.

On Saturday, garda officers served deportation notices on 86 individuals living on the roundabout on the Ballymun exit of the M50 and across the road at a derelict house on the Old Swords Road.

A spokesperson for the Department of Justice said most of the individuals had been living in Ireland for more than three months and added that there were also public safety issues.

The group, who have refused the Government’s offer of free flights back to Romania, have been warned that the Minister for Justice, Brian Lenihan, intends ordering their removal from the State.

They have been given 15 days to make representations to the minister as to why he should not make a removal order.

While Romanians and Bulgarian citizens are free to travel within the EU, they need work permits to get a job and they are not entitled to State benefits or emergency accommodation.

Last Thursday, the Health Service Executive (HSE) took three of the Roma children living on the roundabout into their care.

One child, a six-month-old baby girl, was returned to her family on Friday. It is understood that the health authority is seeking to reunite the other two children, aged four and 14, with their families.

Chairman of the Romanian community of Ireland, Vasile Ros, warned yesterday that more Roma gypsies would travel to Ireland if the Government gave into the group’s demand for housing and other supports.

He also said the claim made by the Rostas family that their situation was worse in Romania than their set-up in Ireland was hard to believe.

Mr Ros said he was consulting other members of the organisation about organising a research trip to Romania to get what he described as “the full story” on the group’s circumstances.

Director of Pavee Point, Ronnie Fay, said they were disappointed, but not surprised, that the Government’s only response to the Roma crisis was to issue deportation orders.

“We are disappointed that the Government have still not indicated that emergency accommodation will be provided, even as a temporary interim measure,” she said.

[Cristian-8700]

Maybe this will shed some light.
As a Romanian guy who spent about 26 years living near gypsies, under the constant intimidating, bullying and antisocial behavior, I believe I have a right to a saying.

Human rights campaigners might waffle as long as they want about the misfortunate Rroma (Rromanes) gypsies being mistreated and disadvantaged by the Romanian authorities and how they are only seeking a chance for a new start of a decent life in a western country.

The political parties representing the Rroma gypsies in the Romanian Parliament are always going on about the unfavorable situation of its ethnic group, in a desperate attempt to distract the attention from the real problem: the total lack of integrity, honesty, reliability, social and economical contribution of the Rromanes.

The reality of it is the Gypsies have No intention of living normal lives, or any intention to ever work or contribute to the society, any society that might be.
I know it might sound drastic, but they actually prefer to live parasiting lives, focusing all their efforts and creativity on new ways to live on some others earning, or finding new ways of robbing, stealing, cheating, tricking, dodging, evading, screwing, faking so that they can get an undeserved income.

Furthermore, the experience, not only in Romania, clearly shows how Gypsies never bother to respect the local culture and people, never intending to integrate into the society and its local norms or making any effort in that direction. Just take a quick browse of the WWW and read various opinions of people around the globe who got in touch with any of the gypsies "missionaries".

As the communism collapsed 17 years ago, they were free to roam and spread their grotesque culture, their rude, uncivilized, untidy and unwashed presence all over Europe, under the pretence that they were looking for an escape. Typically using a Romanian Passport.
Don't get me wrong, the 50 years of communism were a national plague and the damage was huge, all the Romanians have suffered tremendous consequences.

But back then as nowadays, whenever the Government or non-governmental organizations made an effort to place Gypsies in social houses, the houses were shortly vandalized, the wooden floors burnt in bonfires and the horses brought in the livingrooms. The neighborhoods were turn into deplorable slums, where you wouldn't want to lose your dog. Soon after the Gypsies and their many many kids filled again the waiting rooms of the City Halls applying for new ones.
Very few people know about the so-called "un-written Gypsy Law code". It is a set of brutal rules that defy any human dignity and indeed any human reasoning.

Only one quick glimpse in it:
" A Gypsy is bound to pay compensation in gold and horses if he is caught robbing another Gypsy, but can walk totally guilt free if he robes a Romanian.
A Gypsy has to pay a few kg of gold and a few cars to the family of a Gypsy girl that he has raped, but he is guilt free if he's raped a Romanian woman."

They are used by the Gypsy community as a standard code to literally judge and convict its members, within a Gypsy tribunal called Stabor.
The new events on the Irish M50 motorway only confirm what I've just told.
Gypsies are a parasiting sub-specie that uses any means beyond or the worst nightmare, to achieve some living without working. The emotional display that shock the Irish, poorly dressed kids begging, some of them with malformities, are unfortunately only a pathetic cover for other various crime activities: pick pocketing, shoplifting, car and house theft, breaking in, card fraud, so on. All with a very cheeky and intruding attitude.
Can you imagine the shock of an unsuspecting Irish young female driver, which would have the unlucky idea to stop at the traffic light on that roundabout at 11:PM and have her car window open? Amd no other cars around. Can you figure out the extents the Gypsies are ready to go to?

Well, just allow me a quick real story. Very real and documented. It happened to my father about 20 years ago, while he was driving in my city -Constanta, in the south east of Romania, on the coast.
He was only minutes away from his destination, an aunt's house, when he took a very slow right turn. Only a few meters after the turn he heard a bang on the left side of the car. As the car speed was really low he instantly braked and stopped. He jumped out of the car to discover a little gypsy kid sitting up by the car! He asked him if he was all right, the kid said "yeah. I am."

Meanwhile from the opposite side if the road the Gypsy mother came storming, saying to my father that everything was OK and he could carry on with his journey.
After a few turned-down attempts of offering a lift to a hospital just for a routine checkout, my father drove away.
Only one hour later, at our house, my mother received a visit of a Police squad, informing her that my father was a hit-and-run driver involved in a road accident with human casualties!!!!
As my father immediately met the Police at the accident scene, a random resident who witnessed the incident from the balcony of his apartment, came down and voluntarily told the Police what he saw.
The woman deliberately beckoned the young child to join her on the other side of the street exactly when the car made its safe turn!!! The perfect staged accident, the greatest chance for a fat claim!!!
The investigation was closed and my father cleared of any charges.

Warning for the Irish Motorists: the Rroma Gypsies are far smarter than they look and they certainly know one thing: with a little help from the accident claim solicitors they can work miracles.

[SHAM]

A news clip of the camp.
http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/0723/roma_av.html?2272246,null,230

[Kaapeli]

Christians experiences sound familiar even though I'm from another part of Europe.
The Roma culture has been problematic here too (even in comparison to other more "foreign" cultures from Africa and Asia) and has proven almost impossible to assimilate into a productive and law abiding part of the society despite all the efforts. Still the majority of Roma choose to live outside the norms as officially unemployed, semi-nomadic, often outright criminal and taking advantage of their minority status and cultural heritage to justify it.

[nahimov]

Christians experiences sound familiar even though I'm from another part of Europe.
The Roma culture has been problematic here too (even in comparison to other more "foreign" cultures from Africa and Asia) and has proven almost impossible to assimilate into a productive and law abiding part of the society despite all the efforts. Still the majority of Roma choose to live outside the norms as officially unemployed, semi-nomadic, often outright criminal and taking advantage of their minority status and cultural heritage to justify it.

Pretty much the same thing across the board. In Italy gypsies tried to pickpocket me and in Russia they are constantly begging, robbing, pickpocketing and so on. Whenever I see them on the street I cross to another side, you never know what to expect...

[futurepilot2004]

Its been repoted in todays newspapers that they`ve been served deportation orders but are challenging it in court. Meanwhile they`ve also demanded that the government give them support financially because they have kids.

The sooner they`re kicked out of the country the better.

[Cristian-8700]

Interesting enough, I was so surprised not to find one single trace of begging or fortune-telling gypsy on my last weeks holiday in Spain. I drove from Sevilla to Marbella and then Granada and to my delight I haven't spotted one.
You know why? Because having to deal with them for the last 10 years the Spanish are so fed up with the "political corectness" and the Police is constantly kicking them out.

There are probably almost a million Romanians in Spain but they work and mind their busines and they aren't confused with Rroma gypsies.

It will take a short while for the Irish to figure it out too.

[muttbutt]

Its been repoted in todays newspapers that they`ve been served deportation orders but are challenging it in court. Meanwhile they`ve also demanded that the government give them support financially because they have kids.

The sooner they`re kicked out of the country the better.
Don't worry Pavee point are on their side:roll:, those of us in the "white settled community" are just too racist to be allowed to have a say in how the countries run:roll:<there are not enough of these rolly eyecons to show how much this sucks balls

[Cristian-8700]

Before it , a little not so "cute" recent story.

An Irish friend of mine, now living abroad, witnessed a group robbery in a corner shop in one Dublin suburb, last year.

About 15 Rroma Gypsies adults mostly women and 5 of their kids, invaded a quiet Spar simultaneously punched the shop-assistant lady in the face and started to grab and snatch as much they could in few seconds: drinks, tobacco, boxes, money from the till.

With her face covered in blood the woman managed to alert a few men working in a pub next door.

They moved very quick and were able to immobilize hold on to a few of them. So my my friend was trying to hold one huge gypsy woman's hands. After a few failed attempts to hit him and free herself, guess what she's done???
She lifted hed filthy, unwashed-since-many-years big dress and rubbed her animal-stench slizzy nakedness in his face!
He was in such a shock he nearly dropped.
Months later he was still having nighmares of the horrible incident.



So, wheter you prefer to believe it or not, and call it racism, be aware:

-A gypsy is always ready to ambush you. Even if him or her doesn't have a pocket knife at hand, they will find a quick way to cause you as much damage as they can and then make a runner.

-If a gypsy woman sees she cannot knock you down by punching your face, she will try to hit you using her breast fed new born child, another universal gypsy weapon.

-If that is still unsuccessful, next she will flash her privates to you and while you are dazzled hit you in the head with a rock and run.

-If you give a coin to a begging gypsy, thinking this might have waken some sort of gratefulness in them, you are so wron. They have just discovered your new weakness, and they will try to rob all your money, hurt you and run. Generally speaking the gypsies intrepred any act of SIMPATHY as NAIVITY and quickly proceed at abusing it.

-the gypsies selling flowers, party hats, fluorescent bracelets in front of a night club aren't really making their bucks off them. They are actualy spotting you carefully while walking out tipsy, when you are so likely to "lose" you money, wallet, car keys, etc.

-If you are thinking you are doing a great act of kindness by adopting one of the dozens of miserable kids of a poor gypsy, think again! The parents will chase you for years, with an army of lawyers, claiming they suddenly miss their child again. So the only way you could keep the child is adding som "conforting" 50 thousands to the initial payment.

-If for any temporary-blindness reasons you want to buy something from a gypsy (cars, bikes, souvenirs, jewls, clothes, converting currency), you will very soon discover why it was the worst idea you ever had.

-Most of the gypsies prefer to act in packs, another ancient survival instinct. Avoid them cautiosly.