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Kowakian ML
07-18-2007, 05:34 PM
US Pres. Pushes for Another Arab State Alongside Israel

by Nissan Ratzlav-Katz

(IsraelNN.com) In a speech he delivered on Monday in Washington, DC, US President George W. Bush announced his intention to convene an international conference for "the establishment of a Palestinian state." The proposed conference, Bush said, would include Israel, the Palestinian Authority and certain Arab states.
As part of his Middle East foreign policy strategy, President Bush called upon Israel to make several immediate concessions to PA Chairman Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen). "Israel has a clear path," he said, explaining that this included releasing frozen tax revenues Israel collected on behalf of the PA, ceasing what he called the "continuing occupation of the West Bank," and finding "other practical ways [for Israelis] to reduce their footprint without reducing their security, so they can help President Abbas improve economic and humanitarian conditions." Specifically, Bush said, "unauthorized outposts should be removed and settlement expansion ended," adding that Prime Minister Ehud Olmert is in agreement with the principles Bush expressed.
Israelis "should be confident that the United States will never abandon its commitment to the security of Israel as a Jewish state and homeland for the Jewish people," President Bush added.
The bulk of the US President's speech did not focus on Israel, however, and it was dedicated to what he described as "a moment of choice" for PA Arabs: between the path of Hamas and that of Fatah, under the leadership of Abu Mazen.
Saying that "Hamas has demonstrated beyond all doubt that it is [more] devoted to extremism and murder than to serving the Palestinian people," Bush warned that following the Hamas path "would guarantee chaos, and suffering, and the endless perpetuation of grievance. They would surrender their future to Hamas's foreign sponsors in Syria and Iran. And they would crush the possibility of a Palestinian state."
President Bush contrasted the Hamas option with "the vision of President Abbas and Prime Minister [Salam] Fayyad; it's the vision of their government; it's the vision of a peaceful state called Palestine as a homeland for the Palestinian people. To realize this vision, these leaders are striving to build the institutions of a modern democracy. They're working to strengthen the Palestinian security services, so they can confront the terrorists and protect the innocent. They're acting to set up competent ministries that deliver services without corruption. They're taking steps to improve the economy and unleash the natural enterprise of the Palestinian people. And they're ensuring that Palestinian society operates under the rule of law. By following this path, Palestinians can reclaim their dignity and their future - and establish a state of their own."

The PA, Bush said, "must arrest terrorists, dismantle their infrastructure, and confiscate illegal weapons - as the Road Map requires. They must work to stop attacks on Israel, and to free the Israeli soldier held hostage by extremists. And they must enforce the law without corruption, so they can earn the trust of their people, and of the world. Taking these steps will enable the Palestinians to have a state of their own. And there's only way to end the conflict, and nothing less is acceptable."
Not content to leave the choice between Hamas and Fatah to chance, President Bush added that "all responsible nations have a duty to help clarify the way forward. By supporting the reforms of President Abbas and Prime Minister Fayyad, we can help them show the world what a Palestinian state would look like -- and act like."
To that end, Bush said, "This year, we will provide the Palestinians with more than $190 million in American assistance -- including funds for humanitarian relief in Gaza. To build on this support, I recently authorized the Overseas Private Investment Corporation to join in a program that will help generate $228 million in lending to Palestinian businesses. Today, I announce our intention to make a direct contribution of $80 million to help Palestinians reform their security services - a vital effort they're undertaking with the guidance of American General Keith Dayton. We will work with Congress and partners around the world to provide additional resources once a plan to build Palestinian institutions is in place. With all of this assistance, we are showing the Palestinian people that a commitment to peace leads to the generous support of the United States."
The Quartet - Russia, the US, the European Union, and the United Nations - will "coordinate international efforts to help the Palestinians establish the institutions of a strong and lasting free society," according to President Bush. Tasked with this job will be former British Prime Minister Tony Blair.
"Arab states have a pivotal role to play, as well," the US President continued. "They should show strong support for President Abbas's government and reject the violent extremism of Hamas. They should use their resources to provide much-needed assistance to the Palestinian people. Nations like Jordan and Egypt, which are natural gateways for Palestinian exports, should open up trade to create opportunities on both sides of the border.
"Arab nations should also take an active part in promoting peace negotiations. Re-launching the Arab League initiative was a welcome first step. Now Arab nations should build on this initiative -- by ending the fiction that Israel does not exist, stopping the incitement of hatred in their official media, and sending cabinet-level visitors to Israel. With all these steps, today's Arab leaders can show themselves to be the equals of peacemakers like Anwar Sadat and King Hussein of Jordan."
Summarizing the thrust of his speech, Bush said, "All the steps I've outlined are designed to lay the foundation for a successful Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza."Source (http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/123095)

Is this a try to bring peace to Middle East, or a try to show that US is not an enemy of Islam? Or something else?

netchicken
07-18-2007, 05:48 PM
He's just pushing failed policies around to make it look like he's doing something.

Never mind that the ideas are in fantasy land, you just have to be seen to be doing something.


"Arab states have a pivotal role to play, as well," the US President continued. "They should show strong support for President Abbas's government and reject the violent extremism of Hamas. They should use their resources to provide much-needed assistance to the Palestinian people. Nations like Jordan and Egypt, which are natural gateways for Palestinian exports, should open up trade to create opportunities on both sides of the border.

Laworkerbee
07-18-2007, 06:04 PM
There already is a Palestinian state, it's called Jordan.

JJC
07-18-2007, 06:10 PM
Creating a Palestinian State is important for peace between Israel and Palestinians, but we have to be realistic here. This push by Condi Rice and Bush is nothing but a show. Everytime some **** hits the fan in U.S. Middle East policies, somehow the answer is "lets push for creation of Palestine fast to appeal to the Arab world and maybe all of the other problems will blend away."

What makes the White House think that NOW is a good time to push for this process when the best chance, after Arafat dropped dead, was missed by the Palestinians in the Quartet's "road map". Today there is uncertainty between Palestinian factions and inter fighting on an unprecidented level, and somehow this is a best time to start talking about a Palestinian State?

My concern is not about creating a Palestinian State but the consequences that could follow if it is done at a wrong time, where Israelis will again have to bleed on a large scale like in the2nd intifada, when such an idea was playing out?

Hollis
07-18-2007, 06:20 PM
Creating a Palestinian State is important for peace between Israel and Palestinians, but we have to be realistic here. This push by Condi Rice and Bush is nothing but a show. Everytime some **** hits the fan in U.S. Middle East policies, somehow the answer is "lets push for creation of Palestine fast to appeal to the Arab world and maybe all of the other problems will blend away."

What makes the White House think that NOW is a good time to push for this process when the best chance, after Arafat dropped dead, was missed by the Palestinians in the Quartet's "road map". Today there is uncertainty between Palestinian factions and inter fighting on an unprecidented level, and somehow this is a best time to start talking about a Palestinian State?

My concern is not about creating a Palestinian State but the consequences that could follow if it is done at a wrong time, where Israelis will again have to bleed on a large scale like in the2nd intifada, when such an idea was playing out?

I have develop a view that the Arabs states are really not interested in a Palestinian state and Israel co-existing together. The primary goal is NO Israel.

2Sheds_Jackson
07-18-2007, 07:32 PM
What makes the White House think that NOW is a good time to push for this process when the best chance, after Arafat dropped dead, was missed by the Palestinians in the Quartet's "road map". Today there is uncertainty between Palestinian factions and inter fighting on an unprecidented level, and somehow this is a best time to start talking about a Palestinian State?

Why not? It's an opportunity to throw support (and big piles of money) behind the more moderate of the two camps, and freeze out the more militant one.

dangerclose
07-18-2007, 08:57 PM
There already is a Palestinian state, it's called Jordan.


lol thank you I was just about to post that.

LaoSexMachine
07-18-2007, 09:04 PM
Waste of my tax payers dollars.

el borracho
07-18-2007, 09:06 PM
I have develop a view that the Arabs states are really not interested in a Palestinian state and Israel co-existing together. The primary goal is NO Israel.

Quoted for truth. I get so sick of hearing Arabs talk about their notion of "Arab Brotherhood" and support for the Palestinians. All they do is use Palestinians as expendable pawns to fight Israel, but when they come knocking on their borders seeking refuge, they turn them away and fill them with more propaganda about how they as Palestinians deserve a homeland of their own.

LRPV
07-19-2007, 12:10 AM
Yawn. The opportunity for a Palestinian Arab State was refused in 1948.

MichaelF
07-19-2007, 01:28 AM
There already is a Palestinian state, it's called Jordan.

Whose main foreign policy item is that they'd rather not have the Palestinians come over to visit again...

gaijinsamurai
07-19-2007, 10:39 AM
Actually, I'm in support of the eventual creation of a Palestinian state in the West Bank, if/when the Palestinians can learn to act like mature members of the international community, and not use their land as a base for terrorist ops against Israel the second they have a little autonomy.

JJC
07-19-2007, 06:05 PM
Why not? It's an opportunity to throw support (and big piles of money) behind the more moderate of the two camps, and freeze out the more militant one.

The problem that I see is the misleading portrayal of Fatah and Abbas as "moderates". Abbas a buddy of Arafat is one of the founders of PLO, and Fatah is a PLO faction. If one reads the PLO charter which Fatah adheres to because of their ideology and purpuse, then you will start to question what is so moderate about Fatah or Abbas? Article 12 calls for "complete liberation of Palestine and obliteration of Zionist economic, political, military and cultural existance". Article 19 emphasizes the use of armed struggle to uproot the Zionist existance and they will not cease until Palestine is liberated. (When Palestinians say liberation of Palestine, they mean the entire State of Israel.)
Abbas holds a Ph.D. and his thesis was on disproving the extent of the Holocaust ( I can't confirm the accuracy of this, but I have read about this claim several times). When Hamas and Fatah started their internal fighting, Abbas called on all factions to stop killing each other and join on pointing their weapons on Israel.

To me Abbas needs to do much more to convince me that he is really for peace . First he can start by reforming the elementary education of Palestinian kids, where 4, 5, 8th graders read poems about Shahids and history lessons filled with most vile Anti-Semitic crap. Generations are taught to see Jews as extentions of European colonialialism of Arab/Muslim land. To them Israel is some historic hoax created by Zionists.

The utlimate peace really has nothing to do with Palestinians but with the entire Arab world. The Arab League will not be statisfied with any peace compromises until Palestinians that call temselves refugees-the 3rd, 4th generations are granted the right to return to Israel and citizenship, meaning an Arab majority in Israel= demise of a Jewish State.

So this process is so complex tha I don't really think anyone believes that it is a good time to even talk about this, when we don't know the near future of Fatah-Hamas power struggle.

seer
07-20-2007, 11:06 AM
A lame attempt at showing that he (Bush) is doing something to solve the Palestinian/Israeli conflict . He should have concentrated on this from the begginging instead of looking for imaginary WMDs in Iraq. Now even if his intentions are qenuine it does not matter because he is on his way out.

Laworkerbee
07-20-2007, 12:18 PM
A lame attempt at showing that he (Bush) is doing something to solve the Palestinian/Israeli conflict . He should have concentrated on this from the begginging instead of looking for imaginary WMDs in Iraq. Now even if his intentions are qenuine it does not matter because he is on his way out.

Like it matters what any sitting US President says or does? This is not a problem that will be resolved in Washington or any other foreign capitol, all it is is Western interference period.

But you go ahead and keep repeating Bush like the typical sheep if that does it for you, no US president has had or will have any impact on the Palestinian problem.

seer
07-20-2007, 12:38 PM
Like it matters what any sitting US President says or does? This is not a problem that will be resolved in Washington or any other foreign capitol, all it is is Western interference period.

But you go ahead and keep repeating Bush like the typical sheep if that does it for you, no US president has had or will have any impact on the Palestinian problem.

Actually I think that this problem can only be solved by Wahington and nobody else. Unless of course Palestinians and Israelis come to some agreement which is close to impossible.

Laworkerbee
07-20-2007, 12:42 PM
Washington is not some imperial power that can snap it's fingers and fix problems on the other side of the world. The United States can pressure Israel and Egypt with financial aide and that is about it.

So how do you propose Washington is going to tell the Palestinians what to do?

seer
07-20-2007, 01:21 PM
Washington is not some imperial power that can snap it's fingers and fix problems on the other side of the world. The United States can pressure Israel and Egypt with financial aide and that is about it.

So how do you propose Washington is going to tell the Palestinians what to do?

Well I think Washington should tell both Palestinians and Israelis what to do. The rest of the world will be more than happy to support Washington if they see genuine effort. Right now Washington is giving free hand to Israel to do whatever it wants. Israel and Palestinians have been behaving like children for years so they should be treated like children. Both should be spanked and sent to their rooms. Than make sure there is enough stick and carrot for both of them not to fight again.

darkstorm08
07-20-2007, 01:33 PM
How many times will it take before they understand. They just don't get along. End of story.

seer
07-20-2007, 02:16 PM
How many times will it take before they understand. They just don't get along. End of story.

It might be the end of story but it is one of the main reasons that creates conflict between the 'muslim' and 'western' worlds so a lot of us are affected.