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S'13
05-08-2004, 11:31 PM
Analysis: Hizbullah in distress
By ARIEH O'SULLIVAN

OC Northern Command Maj.-Gen. Beni Ganz says that Hizbullah knows the price of escalating tensions in the North and is walking a fine line not to elicit a severe Israeli response.

What the general is not saying is that Hizbullah also knows the price of letting peace reign along the Lebanese-Israeli border. The Iranian-backed Shi'ite movement needs war with the Jews like oxygen.

The latest clash on Mount Dov that resulted in the death of St.-Sgt. Dennis Laminov is part of this effort.

But the future does not look bright for Hizbullah, and it is in distress. It's once gloating leader, Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah, is running out of room for maneuver as its main raison d'etre flickers and its legitimacy to remain Lebanon's sole terrorist organization diminishes.

Nasrallah gave the green light for this week's escalation when he reportedly told followers that fighters on standby along the border with Israel "had the right" to respond to any Israeli violation of the border without first getting approval from Beirut.

Provocation did not tarry. Hizbullah fired its 62mm cannons directly at communities in Western Galilee under the guise of anti-aircraft fire. This was followed by an attempted infiltration and then Friday's fatal strike on IDF positions at Mount Dov.

The latest action could be linked to the current municipal elections in southern Lebanon and the Bekaa, where Hizbullah is seeking to win over Shi'ites at the expense of its rival Amal organization.

But electioneering aside, Nasrallah faces a humbling prospect of not being able to win the release of terrorist Samir Kuntar, as he promised in the prisoner exchange deal hammered out through the Germans four months ago. Israel agreed to release Kuntar, who killed four Israelis in a 1979 raid on Nahariya, only in return for solid information on missing aviator Lt.-Col. Ron Arad.

The deal had an open three-month deadline and that passed last week with a rush of reports in Lebanon that a release was eminent. It did not happen. After having staked his reputation on the deal, Nasrallah likely wanted to remind Israel that there is always a military option. He knows Israel is aware of his vast arsenal of some 11,000 rockets aimed at it.

"Hizbullah is trying to strike against Israel, because that is its raison d'etre," says Ganz. "Escalation up here will harm the whole region, particularly the states north of the border. Escalation would not be comfortable for Israel, but for Syria and Lebanon it would be catastrophic."

It was no blunt warning that Israel would not stand by watching Hizbullah attempting to rewrite the rules. But there is a rising number of Lebanese who are questioning Hizbullah's necessity. Newspaper editorials are saying there are other more important matters than the Shaba farms, like the economy, poverty.

Every attack is like a nail in their coffin, and the IDF holds the hammer.

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One?
05-09-2004, 01:10 AM
The latest action could be linked to the current municipal elections in southern Lebanon and the Bekaa, where Hizbullah is seeking to win over Shi'ites at the expense of its rival Amal organization.

In the last parliamantry elections Nabih Birri (leader of amal) got 30,000 votes, while one of hezbollah's new MP got 40,000+. Birri is hated by everyone in the south because he thinks he owns that area.


But electioneering aside, Nasrallah faces a humbling prospect of not being able to win the release of terrorist Samir Kuntar, as he promised in the prisoner exchange deal hammered out through the Germans four months ago. Israel agreed to release Kuntar, who killed four Israelis in a 1979 raid on Nahariya, only in return for solid information on missing aviator Lt.-Col. Ron Arad.

Nasrallah said that he has solid information about Arad. But they are still negotiating the release of 2 iranian diplomats and one lebanese in Europe.


He knows Israel is aware of his vast arsenal of some 11,000 rockets aimed at it.

ExtraT here you go. I wasn't Bull****ting you in the other post...


It was no blunt warning that Israel would not stand by watching Hizbullah attempting to rewrite the rules. But there is a rising number of Lebanese who are questioning Hizbullah's necessity. Newspaper editorials are saying there are other more important matters than the Shaba farms, like the economy, poverty.

Thats a joke. Does this guy know how the big the farms are? Population is probably less than 50.

S'13
05-09-2004, 01:28 AM
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He knows Israel is aware of his vast arsenal of some 11,000 rockets aimed at it.

ExtraT here you go. I wasn't Bull****ting you in the other post...


It is true that there is a great amount of rockets on the border, however Hizbullah will never dare to use them to hit Israeli towns and cities, not even if the IDF attacked in
Beirut/Damascus itself...




Thats a joke. Does this guy know how the big the farms are?

The Shaba farms are 25 square kilometers, Lebanon is 10,230 square kilometers.

So it looks like you can live without it (not that it was Lebanese territory in the first place).

AirZone
05-09-2004, 12:27 PM
Yeah, I dont think even Hizbullah are stupid enough to attack israel with thier rockets.... and they can attack Israel with rockets but if they will do it (and i cant see why they would want to do it), Israel will just wipe out half of lebanon with our artillery and bombs... (a rocket is nothing compare to real mordern artillery)


cant wait for the MTHEL (if im not wrong) it would able to stop everything Hizbullah throws at us...

ExtraT
05-09-2004, 04:28 PM
He knows Israel is aware of his vast arsenal of some 11,000 rockets aimed at it.

ExtraT here you go. I wasn't Bull****ting you in the other post...


Have I ever denied that Hizbullah has a lot of rocket? What I said that these rockets pose no threat, because they could never be used.

Some people make the mistake of thinking of Hizbullah as an "army" - well, they are not an army. They may be professional in certain things (infantry related), they may have some weapons, but they will never be able to conduct real military operations.

And the rockets... Sure, if they fire s couple of them on a civilian target, it has a serious terrorist effect. But if they were to launch a real attack on IDF with these rockets, this attack will be over in less than 10 minutes. And they will suffer irreplaceable losses in the process.
So, spare me from this "ooooh, so many rockets" bull****.

Tane Angle
05-09-2004, 04:45 PM
I don't know, some would say it is best to never underestimate one's enemy. To pray and hope and work for the best, but to prepare for the worst. Have a good one, and just some thoughts...

ExtraT
05-09-2004, 04:48 PM
I don't know, some would say it is best to never underestimate one's enemy. To pray and hope and work for the best, but to prepare for the worst. Have a good one, and just some thoughts...

Hehe, of course! THat's why they are in such **** - because Israel has been strengthening the northern border so seriously.

Of course, it wasn't done for their benefit (at least not initially) - it was done against Syria. :)

aktarian
05-09-2004, 04:58 PM
The deal had an open three-month deadline and that passed last week with a rush of reports in Lebanon that a release was eminent. It did not happen. After having staked his reputation on the deal, Nasrallah likely wanted to remind Israel that there is always a military option. He knows Israel is aware of his vast arsenal of some 11,000 rockets aimed at it.

Is this recycled BS from couple of years ago or new accusations?

AirZone
05-09-2004, 05:04 PM
I don't know, some would say it is best to never underestimate one's enemy. To pray and hope and work for the best, but to prepare for the worst. Have a good one, and just some thoughts... The Hizublla are good warriors... indeed but in full scale war they dont stand a chance.

One?
05-09-2004, 05:58 PM
I don't know, some would say it is best to never underestimate one's enemy. To pray and hope and work for the best, but to prepare for the worst. Have a good one, and just some thoughts... The Hizublla are good warriors... indeed but in full scale war they dont stand a chance.

They won't stand a chance because they are not an army. But I believe they can still operate like the insurgents in Iraq (fighting the IDF not civilians that is). And the rockets if they are to be used, will be used as a last resort if a full scale invasion takes place. They won't use them as offensive weapons. Lahoud/Assad won't let them.



The deal had an open three-month deadline and that passed last week with a rush of reports in Lebanon that a release was eminent. It did not happen. After having staked his reputation on the deal, Nasrallah likely wanted to remind Israel that there is always a military option. He knows Israel is aware of his vast arsenal of some 11,000 rockets aimed at it.

Is this recycled BS from couple of years ago or new accusations?

This is new. Nasrallah promised that quntar will be released within 3 months (which is over) or more IDF soldeirs would be kidnapped. I believe thursday's operation was an attempt to kidnap IDF soldeirs.

AirZone
05-09-2004, 07:29 PM
You know One...I'm THAT close to respect the hizbulla, but i respect the SLA alot more... i think you know why. but why hizbulla wants shebba farm ? its ours we gave thier land back to them so its like we say in hebrew "you give him a finger he wants all the hand" but i guess in the end its becuase we are zionists pigs =\ ah well... sooner or later they will do a big mistake (massive attack?) and im not sure if sharon will be so forgiver and hell will brake lose :|

aktarian
05-10-2004, 08:42 AM
This is new. Nasrallah promised that quntar will be released within 3 months (which is over) or more IDF soldeirs would be kidnapped. I believe thursday's operation was an attempt to kidnap IDF soldeirs.

I ment the missiles. Are those recycled old BS Israeli claims are there new ones?