MPs criticise U.S. for "rendition" of suspects

[grimupnorth]

LONDON (*******) - The United States ignored a British request and seized two suspected militants in Gambia in 2002 and sent them to the Guantanamo Bay prison camp, a parliamentary report said on Wednesday.
"This case shows a lack of regard, on the part of the U.S., for UK concerns," the Intelligence and Security Committee said in a report on U.S. "renditions", or the secret transfer of terrorist suspects between countries.



"This has serious implications for the working of the relationship between the U.S. and UK intelligence and security agencies," it added.
It was a rare, sharp criticism of the United States, backed by Britain in invading Afghanistan and Iraq and waging a 'war on terror', by the committee that scrutinises British intelligence.

"The UK now has some ethical dilemmas with our closest ally," it said.
It was also critical of British intelligence for being slow to realise the implications of Washington's increased use of renditions in the wake of the September 11 attacks and to seek U.S. assurances about the treatment of detainees.

Even when intelligence agency MI6 first suspected the existence of secret foreign prisons run by the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency in 2003, it did not fully appreciate this could bring an increased risk of torture, the committee said.

It quoted a MI6 source as saying: "It never crossed my mind that (the intelligence) was coming from torture...We are talking about the Americans, our closest ally. This now, with hindsight, may look naive but all I can say is that is what we thought at the time." http://uk.*******.com/article/topNews/idUKL2589507020070725

[NuclearHead]

I don't think the Brits should be telling us how to run things.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

I don't think the Brits should be telling us how to run things.Why not? We have a few years behind our belt in the counter terror arena.

[jetsetter]

It quoted a MI6 source as saying: "It never crossed my mind that (the intelligence) was coming from torture...We are talking about the Americans, our closest ally. This now, with hindsight, may look naive but all I can say is that is what we thought at the time."

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha. They are just trying to cover their asses.

[ex1cdo]

LONDON (*******) - The United States ignored a British request and seized two suspected militants in Gambia in 2002 and sent them to the Guantanamo Bay prison camp, a parliamentary report said on Wednesday.



I don't think the Brits should be telling us how to run things.

If another country seized people in the US, I bet you'd get pissy about it.

[AlterMega]

If another country seized people in the US, I bet you'd get pissy about it.

Poor analogy:roll: -Gambia isn't part of the UK.

[tomonator]

"This case shows a lack of regard, on the part of the U.S., for UK concerns," the Intelligence and Security Committee said in a report on U.S. "renditions", or the secret transfer of terrorist suspects between countries.




Rather beg for forgiveness, than ask for permission.p-)

[Firetxmi]

I don't think the Brits should be telling us how to run things.

Run other nations affairs... Hmmm..... :roll:

[ex1cdo]

Poor analogy:roll: -Gambia isn't part of the UK.



Poor analogy or not, the simple fact that the good old US of A feels it can violate the territory of sovereign states with impunity is enough to make those of us in the rest of the world a wee bit apprehensive.

[SOG]

Poor analogy or not, the simple fact that the good old US of A feels it can violate the territory of sovereign states with impunity is enough to make those of us in the rest of the world a wee bit apprehensive.

that fact that every country does from time to time is nothing new. this is a concocted witch hunt by brit trash media to wedge more opinionated bull**** between our two countries, pure and simple. we all do **** to annoy each other. who gives a ****.

[jetsetter]

Of course MI6 knew about torture, I wouldn't be surprised if they did it themselves.

[martinexsquaddie]

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/23/us/23gitmo.html?pagewanted=1&_r=3&hp

well all very well seizing the right blokes but sending the "ghosts" to seize abdul because he once met somebody who became a suicide bomber.
notice the uk citizens who were locked up in gitmo were so so dangerous the uk gov let them go with no charges omgod i'm living in britislam.
or may be you got the wrong blokes

[Pille1234]

Of course MI6 knew about torture, I wouldn't be surprised if they did it themselves.
The implicitness with which many Americans assume other western countries would use torture as a mean is honestly quite disturbing.

[Durandal]

The implicitness with which many Americans assume other western countries would use torture as a mean is honestly quite disturbing.

roflroflrofl

Are you kidding me?

What gets me is the near gullible trust Americans AND Europeans have in their respective governments.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

I myself doubt Gitmo is a torture camp but some of the other holding locations seem a bit iffy, MI6 learned a long time ago about the futility of physical torture from the Special Branch in Kenya which got more false leads than usable intelligence.

[jetsetter]

I myself doubt Gitmo is a torture camp but some of the other holding locations seem a bit iffy, MI6 learned a long time ago about the futility of physical torture from the Special Branch in Kenya which got more false leads than usable intelligence.

If it was true physical torture there would be nobody leaving Guantanamo, however that is not the case.


The implicitness with which many Americans assume other western countries would use torture as a mean is honestly quite disturbing.

How naive are you?

[Pille1234]

How naive are you?
I don't know what you're implying with that question.

Over here, torture is considered a real career killer. There is no political, financial or personal advantage gained by torturing, other than breaking fundamental law, making yourself a criminal and loosing your job & pension claims.
Some people might call me naive, but I'm quite certain that my government does not run secret detention facilities with torture chambers, or to be more precise "rough interrogation rooms".

[jetsetter]

Over here, torture is considered a real career killer. There is no political, financial or personal advantage gained by torturing, other than breaking fundamental law, making yourself a criminal and loosing your job & pension claims.

Of course there are things to gain. Being nice can only get you so far and that add to the fact it is quite time consuming and well, there you go.


Some people might call me naive, but I'm quite certain that my government does not run secret detention facilities with torture chambers, or to be more precise "rough interrogation rooms".

I wouldn't put it past them to dish out individual torture sessions. I'm guessing no larger facilities though. The fact is that they don't need to, they use the information gained from US facilities.

[MonkeyLibFront]

I thought most intelligence services had realized how inaccurate information is that has been gathered by torture.