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Ordie
07-28-2007, 06:34 AM
What can I say?

This sucks.

My opinion: Get rid of civil marriage, allow for universal civil unions. Let the churches handle the marriage part.



Man Must Pay Partnered Ex-Wife Alimony


Monday, July 23, 2007

(07-23) 18:04 PDT Los Angeles (AP) --
A judge has ordered a man to continue paying alimony to his ex-wife — even though she's in a registered domestic partnership with another woman and even uses the other woman's last name.

California marriage laws say alimony ends when a former spouse remarries, and Ron Garber thought that meant he was off the hook when he learned his ex-wife had registered her new relationship under the state's domestic partnership law.

An Orange County judge didn't see it that way.

The judge ruled that a registered partnership is cohabitation, not marriage, and that Garber must keep writing the checks, $1,250 a month, to his ex-wife, Melinda Kirkwood. Garber plans to appeal.

The case highlights questions about the legal status of domestic partnerships, an issue the California Supreme Court is weighing as it considers whether same-*** marriage is legal. An appeals court upheld the state's ban on same-*** marriage last year, citing the state's domestic partners law and ruling that it was up to the Legislature to decide whether gays could wed.

Lawyers arguing in favor of same-*** marriage say they will cite the June ruling in the Orange County case as a reason to unite gay and hetero****** couples under one system: marriage.

In legal briefs due in August to the California Supreme Court, Therese Stewart, chief deputy city attorney for San Francisco, intends to argue that same-*** couples should have access to marriage and that domestic partnership doesn't provide the same reverence and respect as marriage.

The alimony ruling shows "the irrationality of having a separate, unequal scheme" for same-*** partners, Stewart said.

Garber knew his former wife was living with another woman when he agreed to the alimony, but he said he didn't know the two women had registered with the state as domestic partners under a law that was intended to mirror marriage.

"This is not about gay or lesbian," Garber said. "This is about the law being fair."

Kirkwood's attorney, Edwin Fahlen, said the agreement was binding regardless of whether his client was registered as a domestic partner or even married. He said that both sides agreed the pact could not be modified and that Garber waived his right to investigate the nature of Kirkwood's relationship.

Garber's attorney, William M. Hulsy, disagreed.

"If he had signed that agreement under the same factual scenario except marriage, not domestic partnership, his agreement to pay spousal support would be null and void," Hulsy said.

Source:http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/n/a/2007/07/23/national/a102937D80.DTL&type=printable

Herrmannek
07-28-2007, 07:26 AM
Just deleglize divorce :)

perdurabo
07-28-2007, 12:43 PM
Just deleglize divorce :)
why? not all population is roman catholic.
I'm with ordie here, if you take marrige ceremony in one religion all rules of this religion apply, civil marrigies should be civil agreement beatwin partners with state as guarantee...

Xaito
07-28-2007, 12:51 PM
Just deleglize divorce :)

x2 - don't want to bind yourself for life don't marry - if you do don't divorce.

Flagg
07-28-2007, 05:54 PM
The whole concept of alimony is obsolete in my opinion.

If a partnership ends, it needs to END.

Alimony can pretty much be perpetual..meaning the ties might never be severed....like in this case.

Split assets...or if assets are low, but income for one partner is high.....set a definitive end date for financial support.

Violet Fashion by Mindy
07-28-2007, 08:28 PM
The whole concept of alimony is obsolete in my opinion.

If a partnership ends, it needs to END.

Alimony can pretty much be perpetual..meaning the ties might never be severed....like in this case.

Split assets...or if assets are low, but income for one partner is high.....set a definitive end date for financial support.

Depends if there is kids involved. Also how long a couple has been married should also play a part.

If there is kids. Then the person who has custody should be supported until all children reach adulthood or until the children are eligible for their own benefits. (Austudy/Abstudy/Unemployment).

Where there is no kids. One needs to look at the situation. If both partners can and or are working then I agree apart from the split of assets no further financial arrangements need to be agreed to unless both partners agree.

However using my parents as an example. They have been married for 35 years. Although the old man has retired they have yet to reach the official retirement age. I'll skip the part that they are both on a disability pension for the purpose of this discussion.

Apart from a period when my mother was 18 to 23 when she worked as a seamstress (Is still a bloody dam good designer/dressmaker) my parents were in a single income arrangement. Now because of their age if they were to separate my mother is still entitled to share in my fathers retirement. For 35 years she never had her own income.

Now you can't simply cut off such people. Especially if she stayed at home, looked after the house, raised the kids and so forth. Even if there was no children the partner who never worked would be used to a quality of life. Also there is no way in the world my mother would be able to gain employment. So really the current system works ok IMO. I've seen this happen in for both sexes where the wife lost the most money because she was a high income earner so it works both ways believe it or not. Males seem to get screwed because it happens to them the most.

Some changes need to be made. Where one partner eventually re-marries and their financial situation becomes the same or better. Then for sure they become cut off. Although if there is children involved then both parties need to be financially involved. That doesn't change.

Thorgen
07-28-2007, 09:46 PM
Here in Finland alimony is given to a parent who has custody of the their child. That is fair to me, children aren't free to raise. But giving alimony to an ex-spouse is ridiculous. If you're old enough to marry, you're old enough to make a judgement of you and your future alone.

You shouldn't get credit from leaving your career and taking care of the family. It is your decision alone and your to carry the result, such like having a baby.

Toss the responsibilities away and live by the moment? In 21st century people should've learned to think themselves. It's not really that hard..

helomech
07-28-2007, 09:53 PM
Here in Finland alimony is given to a parent who has custody of the their child. That is fair to me, children aren't free to raise. But giving alimony to an ex-spouse is ridiculous. If you're old enough to marry, you're old enough to make a judgement of you and your future alone.

You shouldn't get credit from leaving your career and taking care of the family. It is your decision alone and your to carry the result, such like having a baby.

Toss the responsibilities away and live by the moment? In 21st century people should've learned to think themselves. It's not really that hard..

Here in the States it's known as child support and you have to pay it until said child is 18 years old,depending on which state you live in(which I'm still paying);I'm against alimony of any type unless said individual is in need of some type of ongoing medical care,otherwise that sh1t gets' cut off!

Doublethinker
07-28-2007, 11:09 PM
Did she have a child from him?

If no, then on what grounds is he paying alimony?

Rune_X2
07-30-2007, 06:21 AM
Just deleglize divorce :)Nope. Deleglize alimony.

Herrmannek
07-30-2007, 08:07 AM
Nope. Deleglize alimony.

No divorce no alimony :)

Durandal
07-30-2007, 08:17 AM
Two things...

IF California is going to have a domestic partner program to give same *** couples the same protection as married hetero couples then it needs to be able to swap the language when it comes to stuff like this.

I have no problems with gays marrying.

I have problems with people taking advantage of the system.

That said, dude was an idiot for agreeing to pay 1200.00 plus dollars a month to a woman just because they were married at one time AND knowing she was already moved into her lesbian lover's home.

That was simply stupid.

Will938
07-30-2007, 10:30 PM
Two things...

IF California is going to have a domestic partner program to give same *** couples the same protection as married hetero couples then it needs to be able to swap the language when it comes to stuff like this.

I have no problems with gays marrying.

I have problems with people taking advantage of the system.

That said, dude was an idiot for agreeing to pay 1200.00 plus dollars a month to a woman just because they were married at one time AND knowing she was already moved into her lesbian lover's home.

That was simply stupid.

What's to agree with, he was ordered to pay that much per month by a court. If he doesn't he can get into deep ****.