View Full Version : Did NATO have an agreement not to sell arms to communist country?
china_police
07-31-2007, 09:24 AM
I once heard that, NATO (North Atlantic Treaty Organization) has an agreement, the member nations produces military science and technology, the commodity, the energy flow will not be sold to communist countries.97 years ago the police team once anxiety MP5 and the major part presently uses the bullet, after made a sound the return to maintain the service, the use question, did not know is the onamot is real?
Trouble
07-31-2007, 10:54 AM
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Korbendallas
07-31-2007, 12:13 PM
Trust me the translation program you're using is a mess.
Even me, as a Chinese. Couldn't fully understand what you are talking about.
Back to the topic, yes Hong Kong police department still have lots of MP5 & AR's & all the good **** after 1997. And they're well maintained. So I believe they have a solid supply on parts and ammo's.
But the thing is, as you know Hong Kong is a special place and in this case we are talking about the arsenal of a LE department. So you can't say if Hong Kong could import small arms for their own use, why can't the big communistic government import some better weapons to arm their military forces.
I know there's some sort of restriction regarding to the arms deal to China but I'm not sure how tight the restriction is.
Hope my answer could helps.
velvet-cream
07-31-2007, 12:46 PM
I don't think it's that tight. Especially if it's just small numbers for LE purposes.
In terms of big ticket military items, look at the US, France and Canada. They've sold/licenced aircraft to the PLAAF.
tsuri
07-31-2007, 12:54 PM
There was no such agreement. NATO states sold arms to to Yugoslavia for Instance, which was "communist" at the time.
I do not know if there was an agreement not to sell Arms to Warsaw treaty states but I doubt they could have paid for them even if they wanted to.
The EU and the US put an arms embargo on the PRC after the Tiananmen Square incident, he might refer to this one but without sufficient language skills, I can only guess ^^
kutter
07-31-2007, 01:14 PM
It's not necessarily a NATO ban but a ban imposed by the West after Tiananmen massacre in 1989. Up until that point there were several joint military programs between the west and China. Since than there haven't been any "purely" military ventures but some joint programs (like the EC120) have been adapted for the military.
If your concern is the supply of spares for the MP5s in use by HK I don't think it's a major problem. China has a really close relationship with Pakistan and they licence produce the MP5 (and the G3) so if worse comes to worse they could just get their spares from Pakistan. From what I've read the quality of POF made MP5s is pretty good.
I do not know if there was an agreement not to sell Arms to Warsaw treaty states but I doubt they could have paid for them even if they wanted to.
AFAIK the only military sale between the West and a Warsaw Pact country was the Aerospatiale SA330 to Romania in 1975. They even allowed them to licence produce it, which I always found surprising.
Piggy
07-31-2007, 03:04 PM
Some facts about Yugoslavia during the 50-ies. There was socialistic regime, sometimes called even communist; but at that time Stalin was not so keen to have anyone, who was thinking slightly different then himself. Yugoslavian president Josip Broz Tito was of that kind and it was in vital interest of the West to support him in order to deepen the differences between Tito and Stalin, making so Yugoslavia more friendly towards thr West if not even an ally. In that time Yugoslavia obtained M-47, F-84, F-86.
Kocur
08-01-2007, 01:12 PM
I once heard that, NATO (North Atlantic Treaty Organization) has an agreement, the member nations produces military science and technology, the commodity, the energy flow will not be sold to communist countries.
Google for CoCom.
Rob1bureau
08-02-2007, 12:30 AM
I once heard that, NATO (North Atlantic Treaty Organization) has an agreement, the member nations produces military science and technology, the commodity, the energy flow will not be sold to communist countries.
I don't know such inside NATO, but most liberal developped states were part of the COCOM during the Cold War. Otherwise, many states have decided uni- or multi-lateral bans on arms trade in History...
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