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timetraveller
08-01-2007, 09:07 AM
With all the religions in the world

Christianity - mormons , church of latter day saints ,catholic , protestant , branch divideins [sp ] david koresh , moonies , jewish , some other i can't mind name of in japan and Muslim , hindu , Sikh .........including religious sects



They have all there own beliefs [ some more bizarre than others ] but all have the same god .. .



imo
Religion was only created by those that wanted to control others who are of weak minds and hearts ..

Which is why i've never believed in Religion ..

Dif
08-01-2007, 09:11 AM
Main difference between all the religions - who exactly is the God which is chosen by the particular religion.

orionhawk
08-01-2007, 09:58 AM
Several of those do not, by any measure, have the same god.

ltrowley
08-01-2007, 10:15 AM
if god was all loving and all forgiving, (t)hey would'nt care if you believed in him/her/it or not. Being the child of god, unconditional love etc. my 2cents.

AZRON
08-01-2007, 10:21 AM
imo
Religion was only created by those that wanted to control others who are of weak minds and hearts ..

Which is why i've never believed in Religion ..

With that in mind I also classify Communism as a religion.
Extreme sacrifice today for Utopia tomorrow .
Cult religion = Lenin embalmed, Mao and the Little Red book , Chavez now and Castro 45 years ago.

naymeria
08-01-2007, 10:26 AM
.... but all have the same god

imo
Religion was only created by those that wanted to control others who are of weak minds and hearts ..



The latter throughout all history has mainly held only for those religions, whose ministers had systematically sought secular power. But it is not at all a general rule for all religions that have existed, not even at all times for those just previously stated.
Nor in all religions, man has set himself at an inferior, worshiping level with respect to his divinities or would have entrusted his destiny to them.

There’s a whole world out there regarding the spirituality of Man and how he relates/has related himself to the Divine, to Life and to Death, really far too big and varied to cut shortly off with your two observations.:)

Nay

perdurabo
08-01-2007, 10:34 AM
Buddhism dosen't have any gods (they exist but they aren't Buddhas they are samsaric as humans, they can enter nirvana/nibbana if they like, have long lives, humans and every living thing has a nature of buddha, you just need to awake Buddha in you) Buddha is only first teacher (more like Newton or Eistein to Phisics, than Jesus to Christians) we do not pray to him as other religions pray to their Gods, all those monuments should be seen as respect given to the greatest teacher by its folowers... All our religion practics -meditations, sings, kinhin*, even daily rutines like farming- lead to achiving nibbana - awaking Buddha hiding in us.
*special walking meditation in Zen Buddhism

shocker1
08-01-2007, 11:05 AM
With all the religions in the world



imo
Religion was only created by those that wanted to control others who are of weak minds and hearts ..

Which is why i've never believed in Religion ..
IMHO someone accusing others of a weak mind and heart. Is a classic example of a weak mind and heart. Then again this scorn for others is the same type scorn some "religious" folks have for others. Thereby making your statement as radical as any extremist of the groups you mentioned.

2Sheds_Jackson
08-01-2007, 11:59 AM
Religion was only created by those that wanted to control others who are of weak minds and hearts ..

Which is why i've never believed in Religion ..

mmm well I don't want to sound condescending here, but you do believe in religion. And you are religious. It's just that you reject most (all?) organized religions. And like the shockmeister said, what you're basically saying that your view is the only true one, and that everybody else is an idiot.

timetraveller
08-01-2007, 12:03 PM
Interesting Replies so far ..

2Sheds_Jackson
08-01-2007, 12:24 PM
Not sure how much you've looked into the subject, but you may want to read up on philosophy, metaphysics, existentialism etc. - they all deal with the same "stuff" of religion, but without the power structure, and with a lot more objectivity. Hume, Descartes, Sarte, Kierkegaard, Heidegger, Kant, Nietzsche - it's good stuff. Granted, it's all western thought, but I never said I was unbiased. p-)

JJC
08-01-2007, 12:28 PM
They have all there own beliefs [ some more bizarre than others ] but all have the same god .. .


imo
Religion was only created by those that wanted to control others who are of weak minds and hearts ..

Which is why i've never believed in Religion ..


You obviously don't have enough knowledge on religions because you lumped all above religions into same category as having same god and beliefs. You fail to notice that all have different understanding of who is God and what the beliefs are....

If religious people have weaker hearts and minds how do you explain intellectuals who believe in God and a religion? just a few examples

Encient Jewish talmudist, doctor, philosopher Rambam- Maimonides explained the bibilical accounts of creation in which the world was round, and the days meant tens of thousands and even millions of years as other Jewish texts. Remeber his writings are encient at a time where many religions thought the world was flat and days were taken literaly as 6 days of creation.

Gerald Schroeder professor of physics MIT an Orthodox Jew who has written numerous texts on connection between evolution and Torah accounts of creation in Genesis

Nathan Aviezar an Orthodox Jew and evolutionary expert Chicago U. Sees no problem between science and his religion...

Yisrael Aumann Nobel Prize 2005 for economics in game theory advancement. Ultra Orthodox Jew (beard and all)p-)

There are many misconceptions about God and religions....

Zerstoerer
08-01-2007, 01:06 PM
How you dare to say our God is the same as the monster of the Islam-cult Allah???

shocker1
08-01-2007, 01:09 PM
How you dare to say our God is the same as the monster of the Islam-cult Allah???
Father Abraham had many sons.

timetraveller
08-01-2007, 02:52 PM
Interesting ... Replies again :]

Some of my friends are of various religions .. yet that doesnt make me despise them for it ..

Religion gives people something to believe in .. But there are others who abuse there position towards others , and others who profit for their own gain which is true ,

I went to Church and Bible Class when i was younger they only taught what was in the bible/what they knew and in School certain subjects were never taught . And when you become a Church Elder/Member you gave a percentage of your earnings to the Church .. As well you had the collection tray passed along the isle ..
I even had a conversation with 2 Mormons from America who were walking about my village ,Sound they were , Interesting insight of there beliefs it was ..of what i can remember
Every Sunday during the summer months across from my house 1/2 Dozen members of Gospel church .. preaching with Microphone in hand for 30mins ,found it irritating tbh .
And when i wrking in Glasgow ,, during my break in the afternoons , hare krishna members harrasing you at every given occasion .
Do they not understand the meaning of "NO THANK YOU " ??
No in the end my perception of them ...I'm sure you can image .
And still in Glasgow you see the lone preachers continually talking the same rubbish every day ..

One of my friends who is a muslim from morroco Hecham [ sp ] , was praying [ all muslims are pray towards Mecca ] .. I noticed he prayin to the wrong direction , So i said to him and he changed direction lol ,

Lazy Lob
08-01-2007, 03:27 PM
Don’t listen to 2Sheds he’ll just mince your mind. p-) Come to the dark side.

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IraGlacialis
08-01-2007, 03:48 PM
How you dare to say our God is the same as the monster of the Islam-cult Allah???
Besides your obvious flame, Allah is just the Arabic term for God.


With all the religions in the world
Christianity - mormons , church of latter day saints ,catholic , protestant , branch divideins [sp ] david koresh , moonies , jewish , some other i can't mind name of in japan and Muslim , hindu , Sikh .........including religious sects
They have all there own beliefs [ some more bizarre than others ] but all have the same god ..
All the ones you listed do NOT have the same god.

Christianity, Judaism, and Islam are Abrahamic religions (from the prophet Abraham). They all beleive in the same creator (the Father, Yahweh, Allah), but differ on the opinion of Jesus (Son of God/part of the Trinity, just a man, divine messenger of God), among other things.

Hinduism, Buddhism, and Sikhism are Dharmic religions. Hindus believe in Vishnu (and his many forms), Buddhists believe in the teachings of Buddha (but not Buddha as a diety), and Sikhs believe in the Vahiguru.

Shinto, the Japanese religion (and partly merged with Buddhism), is based on spirits.

I have no idea about the cults you mentioned ecept for the fact that moonies make me chuckle.

Oh, and Mormons are part of the Church of Latter-Day Saints (Church of Mormon).


imo
Religion was only created by those that wanted to control others who are of weak minds and hearts ..
Which is why i've never believed in Religion ..
If you aren't separating organized relgion from personal faith, I would have to take great offence at that very fudamentalist viewpoint (yes there are fundamentalist atheists). That snide attitude of "you believe in God and that makes you weak" really yanks my chain.

However, if you are making a distiction, then I can see where you are coming from (as I myself am nondenominational), but will still disagree with you.

Zerstoerer
08-01-2007, 04:06 PM
Besides your obvious flame, Allah is just the Arabic term for God.




But it's not the god, the christian god jahwe, jehova or whatever you want to call him. Ask a Christian if god spoke to muhammad and wrote through him the quoran.

Even though there's this liberal **** lately where they teah that "everyone believes in the same god" "all religions are eventually the same" and so on.

If someone spoke to mohammad it must have ben satan imho.

Let's start the new crusades.

I call a crusade on London. I call a crusade on Paris and Strassbourgh. I call a crusade on Berlin. Defend our faith our culture, drop a big nuke on mekka and silence Satans cult of Islam.

And you dare to claim it's the same god as ours? :slap:

IraGlacialis
08-01-2007, 04:14 PM
Let's start the new crusades.

I call a crusade on London. I call a crusade on Paris and Strassbourgh. I call a crusade on Berlin. Defend our faith our culture, drop a big nuke on mekka and silence Satans cult of Islam.

And you dare to claim it's the same god as ours? :slap:
Someone else respond to that. Words fail me.

Ordie
08-01-2007, 04:31 PM
Don't forget the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/78/FSM_logo2.svg/250px-FSM_logo2.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:FSM_logo2.svg)

DeltaWhisky58
08-01-2007, 04:34 PM
But it's not the god, the christian god jahwe, jehova or whatever you want to call him. Ask a Christian if god spoke to muhammad and wrote through him the quoran.

Even though there's this liberal **** lately where they teah that "everyone believes in the same god" "all religions are eventually the same" and so on.

If someone spoke to mohammad it must have ben satan imho.

Let's start the new crusades.

I call a crusade on London. I call a crusade on Paris and Strassbourgh. I call a crusade on Berlin. Defend our faith our culture, drop a big nuke on mekka and silence Satans cult of Islam.

And you dare to claim it's the same god as ours? :slap:

Guess who just got banned? Trolls like you never last long here. :bash:

IraGlacialis
08-01-2007, 04:39 PM
Don't forget the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/78/FSM_logo2.svg/250px-FSM_logo2.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:FSM_logo2.svg)
Pfft. You know what I say to that?
http://spikemarket.com/images/vote_cthulhu.png

2Sheds_Jackson
08-01-2007, 05:21 PM
I went to Church and Bible Class when i was younger they only taught what was in the bible/what they knew and in School certain subjects were never taught . And when you become a Church Elder/Member you gave a percentage of your earnings to the Church .. As well you had the collection tray passed along the isle ..

Most organized religions do quite a bit of charity work - they spend hundreds of millions building hospitals, schools, feeding people etc. - that stuff isn't free. Members of the church pay for it. So while it may appear that those people are lining their pockets - there are legitimate expenses to be paid. And it would be nice if they'd spend a bit more for some decent air conditioning...maybe I'd go more than twice a year.



Every Sunday during the summer months across from my house 1/2 Dozen members of Gospel church .. preaching with Microphone in hand for 30mins ,found it irritating tbh .

Well I'm with you there. I find that sort of thing really hard to endure. During the early 80's I was in the USAF and stationed in the Deep South of the US...which did not work well with the rock T-shirts I always wore. I'd get hassled all the time for my Ozzy shirts, my Maiden shirts - I practically got into a fistfight with some holy roller because of the Ozzy Speak of the Devil concert T I was wearing one day. When I went to a Kiss concert they were marching out front with giant crosses. Can you imagine? A nice bunch of Jewish boys they are - polite and respectful, never hurt a fly. But oh no, these Mississippi fundamentalists were convinced they were just super sexah versions of the Devil in the flesh. Annoying as all hell, but they're really the exception not the rule.

nahimov
08-01-2007, 05:30 PM
Main difference between all the religions - who exactly is the God which is chosen by the particular religion.

According to South Park the correct religion is Mormon.

AgentX
08-01-2007, 06:01 PM
Whats the main difference ..?
Think of different religions as different languages. Languages are only a medium to convey our feelings, emotions and eagerness to socialize. You may speak English, French, German, Russian, Hindi, Arabic or Gibberish, but what essentially comes out of you is the same.

And think of philosophy as music.

Durandal
08-01-2007, 06:04 PM
They have all there own beliefs but all have the same god ...

They do?

When did this come about and how come no one told me.

helomech
08-01-2007, 08:58 PM
No comment for fear of being banned...

Durandal
08-01-2007, 09:38 PM
Pfft. You know what I say to that?
http://spikemarket.com/images/vote_cthulhu.png

My god will eat your god.

I bought a Cthulhu plushie a while back so when I have a kid...he'd or she would be the coolest.

Edit:

THis is it:
http://www.toyvault.com/cthulhu/images/cthulhumedium.jpg

Still have it.

What I did not know (looking for the image of the toy was that they also made:
http://www.toyvault.com/cthulhu/Nyarlethotep%201.jpg

Yes, that's right...Nyarlethotep!

Edit2: And yeah, I also own guns. :)

IraGlacialis
08-02-2007, 12:04 AM
^^^^^
Okay, I have to admit, those are kinda cute and cool. :)

Hollis
08-02-2007, 12:39 AM
The main difference is how the creator/god/FSM is envisioned. Islam's Allah is not the same as the "god" of the Christian bible. The Christian "god" is not the same as the "god" in Judaism.

Islam and Judaism can and do view Christianity as polytheistic. Maybe that is correct or maybe not, it really doesn't matter.

Allah is a very intolerant and does not demand justice. Believers are commanded to take justice into their own hands. Ie; punishment of a apostate.

The US Legal system in based on the legal system of Judaism. Mob rule is a major no no.

One could also argue, what all religions argue is that their particular "view or piece" of understanding of "god" is the only view, and that their view is 100% what there is.


Other aspect Christianity and Islam also base their religion on replacement theology. Which is another reason there is conflict.


Again read the each canon, on how their "god" is envisioned, and there is the difference.

Monotheism means believing in only one god, it does not state it is the same god as another monotheistic religion.

a note on Christianity, the Trinity, how it is defined is what states whether Christianity is monotheistic or not, and that is where the critics say why it is not monotheistic.

Ordie
08-02-2007, 12:48 AM
^^^^^
Okay, I have to admit, those are kinda cute and cool. :)

Just as cute as "Saturn Devouring his Son" by Francisco Goya

IraGlacialis
08-02-2007, 12:55 AM
Just as cute as "Saturn Devouring his Son" by Francisco Goya
Ooooh... good recognition (though it is a pretty well-known piece).
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