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rem40xb
08-02-2007, 05:25 AM
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/images/0.gifThe twilight zone / 'Now you are paralyzed, as we promised'http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/images/0.gifBy Gideon Levy (levy@haaretz.co.il)http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/images/0.gif"

We have to make you do a little sports," the Shin Bet interrogator said, launching four successive days of questioning accompanied by brutal physical torture. The result: Luwaii Ashqar can no longer stand on his feet. He sits in his wheelchair, dressed in a fashionable quasi-military suit, super-elegant, new Caterpillar-brand shoes on his paralyzed feet.



"I love this color," he says about his uniform. "It's the color of the soldiers who came to arrest me for the interrogation that did all this to me."


His smile is captivating, his Hebrew rich and incisive. He is a young man whose world fell apart. He entered prison sound of body and mind and emerged a broken man. For four days and four nights nonstop, he says, he was interrogated and subjected to torture of the most brutal kind. The result is the person we see before us in the wheelchair, in the elegant home high in the village of Saida, north of Tul Karm, which was placed at his disposal by a friend after he was released from Israeli prison a month ago.




Was there a judgment by the High Court of Justice? There was. It banned precisely the types of torture he underwent: the "banana posture," the "shabah" (body stretching with hands tied to a chair), "invisible" blows and the "frog posture" (being forced to stand for hours on the toes in a crouching position) - all the way to a vicious kick to his chest that bent his body backward while he was tied to a chair with his arms and legs, and which was the probable cause of the partial paralysis of his legs.


Throwing up with the vomit entering his nostrils, losing consciousness and being given only saltwater to drink, relieving himself in his pants, not sleeping or resting - all of that for four consecutive days and nights.



full article and Shin Bet answer to the paper:



http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/871239.html

NimDod
08-02-2007, 06:22 AM
as an Haaretz reader, I wouldnt take this story serious.
Gideon Levi is an anti-Israel leftist fanatic. one of the few journalists who dont know Arabic while reporting on Palestinian issues.
he, like another anti-Israeli Haaretz "journalist" (Amira Hes) are one one-sided and biased against Israel in a way that even people who see themselfs as leftists (like myself) dont bother reading their garbage.

rem40xb
08-02-2007, 11:46 AM
as an Haaretz reader, I wouldnt take this story serious.
Gideon Levi is an anti-Israel leftist fanatic. one of the few journalists who dont know Arabic while reporting on Palestinian issues.
he, like another anti-Israeli Haaretz "journalist" (Amira Hes) are one one-sided and biased against Israel in a way that even people who see themselfs as leftists (like myself) dont bother reading their garbage.



the man paralysed himself?:roll:

there are also civilians in Israel who protest these tactics-are they anti Israelis too?

Echo7
08-02-2007, 05:09 PM
Hey, I'm also partially paralysed. Must have been Israeli's!
Hold on, I'll go check...............

rem40xb
08-02-2007, 05:22 PM
Hey, I'm also partially paralysed. Must have been Israeli's!
Hold on, I'll go check...............


check this also:



“Ticking Bombs”

Testimonies of Torture Victims in Israel



Public Committee Against Torture in Israel

http://www.stoptorture.org.il//eng/images/uploaded/publications/140.doc

loganinkosovo
08-02-2007, 05:25 PM
The "Chair" position was used as disciplinary punishment in my basic training....I guess I was tortured too......

rem40xb
08-02-2007, 05:34 PM
The "Chair" position was used as disciplinary punishment in my basic training....I guess I was tortured too......




did your instructors do this?



"The interrogators threatened me that they would arrest my wife and torture her. Afterwards they told me that she had been taken to the detention center and tortured, that the torture had caused a miscarriage and that the fetus had died.”:roll:

loganinkosovo
08-02-2007, 05:38 PM
No, I wasn't married at the time.

They sure kicked the crap out of you when you screwed up though.

IsraDani
08-02-2007, 08:29 PM
It would be interesting to know also who this guy is and what he did before expressing opinions.
Security service torturing enemy operatives?
Welcome to earth.

rem40xb
08-03-2007, 07:39 AM
It would be interesting to know also who this guy is and what he did before expressing opinions.
Security service torturing enemy operatives?
Welcome to earth.



what about the innocent ones who were tortured? You can't convince us that all arrested persons were ''operatives''. Never mind ,what doesn't kill you makes you stronger-unless you are crippled:-(

~Berdan
08-03-2007, 08:10 AM
what about the innocent ones who were tortured? You can't convince us that all arrested persons were ''operatives''. Never mind ,what doesn't kill you makes you stronger-unless you are crippled:-(

You do understand that what you brought in your previous example is nothing more of an interrogation "bluff" method.Person would usually care more about his close then himself.

~Berdan
08-03-2007, 08:12 AM
I ment this.
They didn't arrested no one's wife and they didn't tortured no one.It's just a bluff technique.
So explain please what's so wrong with it.


did your instructors do this?



"The interrogators threatened me that they would arrest my wife and torture her. Afterwards they told me that she had been taken to the detention center and tortured, that the torture had caused a miscarriage and that the fetus had died.”:roll:

rem40xb
08-03-2007, 11:18 AM
You do understand that what you brought in your previous example is nothing more of an interrogation "bluff" method.Person would usually care more about his close then himself.


yes i do understand, Do you understand this:



Torture, according to international law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_international_law), is "any act by which severe pain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pain_and_nociception) or suffering (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suffering), whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person information or a confession,

zwonder
08-03-2007, 11:40 AM
Hi, welcome to earth, enjoy your stay.

Absolute good and evil exists only in harry potter.

rem40xb
08-04-2007, 01:31 PM
Hi, welcome to earth, enjoy your stay.

Absolute good and evil exists only in harry potter.



it depends if you watch it from your comfortable chair home or from this one:




http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/350000/images/_353491_tort300.jpg

loganinkosovo
08-04-2007, 05:39 PM
yes i do understand, Do you understand this:



Torture, according to international law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_international_law), is "any act by which severe pain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pain_and_nociception) or suffering (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suffering), whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person information or a confession,

Then your BS post is torturing us All!

I confess....... that this is a total BS propaganda put-up job and the guy has enough talent to scam Workman's Comp in the states and is wasting his time trying to smear Israel.

loganinkosovo
08-04-2007, 05:40 PM
it depends if you watch it from your comfortable chair home or from this one:




http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/350000/images/_353491_tort300.jpg


Sh!t Man, don't you read hustler? People do that for fun nowadays.

WarriorMonk
08-04-2007, 06:57 PM
So according to rem, whatever the Gators did to break people into giving up Zarqawi was mental torture. Mkay then.