Polish Sabre fencing.

[fdt]

Some of the below pictures were intended to look "classic" not gay. ;)

Hope You will enjoy this.

Highlights of Wojciech Zablocki's review
(Wojciech Zabłocki is a Polish sabre master - Olympic champion in sabre fencing)

"ANALYSIS OF FENCING MOVEMENTS"

(Analiza Dzialan Szermierczych) in Ciecia Prawdziwa Szabla

(Wydawnictwo "Sport i Turystyka" Warsaw, Poland, 1989)


Zablocki provides a brief review of traditional Polish Sabre fencing technique, based largely on the 1830 work by Michal Starzewski, the "Treatise on Fencing", the only known period sabre manual in the Polish language. Four topic groups are presented:

1) Attacks (natarcia)

2) Wards or parries (zaslony)

3) Reposts (odpowiezi)

4) Timing actions (e.g. evasions and stop cuts)

Eleven attack approaches or directions are defined:

1) Head cut

2) Cut right forehead

3) Cut left forehead

4) Back cut

5) Breast cut - high diagonal

6) Breast/belly cut - low

7) Thrust - straight, horizontal

8) Thrust -low to belly

9) Cut on the arm from the outside - side or high

10) Cut on the arm from the inside - high

11) Cut on the arm from below - reverse angle (from left)



In general, the pictures below are self-explanatory to an experienced fencer.



1) Attacks (natarcia)

a. Cuts

Direct cut on the head

http://www.kismeta.com/diGrasse/images/headcutDirect2.jpg

Attempting cut on the head from the elbow

Cut on the wrist

http://www.kismeta.com/diGrasse/images/p42ArmcutR.jpg

Attempting cut on the head from the shoulder (slicing)

http://www.kismeta.com/diGrasse/images/p42slash.jpg

Curve cut on the head from the wrist*

http://www.kismeta.com/diGrasse/images/p42_moulanie.jpg

b. Thrusts (pchniecie)

Thrust from the upper line

http://www.kismeta.com/diGrasse/images/p44Thrust.jpg

Low posture (on-guard)

http://www.kismeta.com/diGrasse/images/p44LowWard.jpg

High posture (on-guard)

http://www.kismeta.com/diGrasse/images/p44HighWard.jpg

Cut on the arm from the outside (see: Cut on the wrist)

http://www.kismeta.com/diGrasse/images/p43ArmCut.jpg

Cut on the arm from the inside

http://www.kismeta.com/diGrasse/images/p46armcutUnder.jpg

Cut on the arm from below

c. Feints (zwodzone)

Feint head-to-side attack. (One example of the several feints possible.)

http://www.kismeta.com/diGrasse/images/p47fient.jpg

d. Beats

Beat-Four (inside high line) sweep cut to head

http://www.kismeta.com/diGrasse/images/p48BeatHeadCut.jpg

Cut to stomach from below

http://www.kismeta.com/diGrasse/images/p48StomachCut.jpg

The following are all essentially the modern fencing parries

Wards (zaslony)

a) Simple Wards

Parry one, Inside high line, point down

Parry two,outside low line, point down

Parry three, outside high line, point up

http://www.kismeta.com/diGrasse/images/pGuards1-3.jpg

Parry four, inside high line, point up

Parry five, head, arm inside

Parry six, head, arm outside

http://www.kismeta.com/diGrasse/images/pWards4-6.jpg

(Illustration of Grips)

http://www.kismeta.com/diGrasse/images/P52GripsSwing.jpg

b) Sweeping Wards

http://www.kismeta.com/diGrasse/images/p42slash.jpg

Sweep/Beat Five from Two.


Evasions and Timing Actions

Passa Sotto#

http://www.kismeta.com/diGrasse/images/p54_passaSoto.jpg

Stop Cut*, delivered simultaneously with backward evasion.

http://www.kismeta.com/diGrasse/images/p54stop.jpg

Here are two examples of the traditional and famous Polish sabre. The ones showed are of type called "Karabela" - a open grip sabre.

http://www.platnerstwo.pl/graf/karabela5.jpg

http://www.platnerstwo.pl/graf/karabela7.jpg

Here is the example of the Polish sabre of type used by husaria (heavy cavalry).

http://www.platnerstwo.pl/graf/husarska.jpg

Zablocki acknowledges the importance of the use of the point (versus the edge-cut) for cavalry, and 'spearing' with the point is correct sabre usage in a "charge."* However, sabre fencing, mostly done on foot, but sometime in cavalry melee fights, tended to use edge-cuts. Hence, the emphasis on cutting technique.

As a cavalry weapon, the sabre tended to be a secondary weapon reserved for the chaos of a melee. The primary shock weapon of most types of medium to heavy Polish cavalry units in the 16th-19th C. was the lance.** A common secondary weapon used in preference to the sabre in the charge in the 16th-17th C. was an extra-long ( 1-1.4 meters) 'koncerz'***, an entirely straight point-only sword. The sabre seemed to be the principle shock weapon only of some light skirmishers armed with the bow or pistol prior the 18th C., and later of dragoons and other units organized in a Western style of the 19th C.

* Dezydery Chlapowski reported in his 1837 'Pamietniki' that his men were properly trained with the sabre to use the point. In close engagement, they typically inflicted many 'kills' while suffering only wounds and bruises from the wild slashes of poorly trained cavalry. "Waving their sabers above their heads,"...the Hungarian Cavalry... "often ended up striking thin air. Even when they struck home, the best they achieved was a wound." (Dezydery Chlapowski, Memoirs of a Polish Lancer, Emperor's Press, 1992. p. 68)

**The famous Polish Lancer regiment of Napoleon's Old Guard was rated as light cavalry in consideration of its mobility, but was often committed to head-to-head battles with heavy cavalry (always victoriously).

***Koncerz

The "koncerz" (similar to the western Europe "estock" or "stock") is a special point-only sword, straight and very long (1.1-1.4 meters, typically 1.3 meters), for horseback use only because of its extreme length. Polish cavalry sometimes used it like a short pike - putting the hilt between arm and chest and holding the blade a third of the way down. Again because of its length, it was carried sheathed below the saddle under the hussar's right knee.

From the mid 17th Century they were made in triangle cross-section, like a smallsword or modern epee, but they were much longer than small-swords.

Koncerz were used in Poland since the 15th Century - perhaps the prototype was a turkish weapon designed to pierce chainmail. The upper one illustrated is called "Hungarian" (koncerz wegierski), the lower one is called "Turkish" (koncerz turecki).

Below an example of the Batorowka - type sabre (named after the Polish king Stefan batory (of Hungary).

http://www.platnerstwo.pl/graf/batorowka.jpg

Below the examples of the Polish-Hungarian type of sabre that evolved into a koncerz (the secondary weapon of husaria).

http://www.platnerstwo.pl/graf/koncerzpol.jpg

http://www.platnerstwo.pl/graf/koncerz_weg.jpg

[Rantanplan]

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/1664/OgniemIMieczem.jpg

[perdurabo]

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/1664/OgniemIMieczem.jpg
colonel Wołodyjowski cutting Bohun (bad cossack)

but FDT you send pics of sabers they are little bit wrong for more look into Zablocki or better to Kwasniewicz they made reviews and typology like Oekshott for swords, its way better.

[fdt]

but FDT you send pics of sabers they are little bit wrong for more look into Zablocki or better to Kwasniewicz they made reviews and typology like Oekshott for swords, its way better.Dla fachury to ściema, ale dla przeciętnego tutejszego forumowicza to i tak za dobrze... ;)

[Rantanplan]

po angelsku!!! (Sp?)

[Marmot1]

po angelsku!!! (Sp?)

po angielsku

Almost correct... ;)

[Porta_jon]

more like polish naked sabre fencing

[perdurabo]

but FDT you send pics of sabers they are little bit wrong for more look into Zablocki or better to Kwasniewicz they made reviews and typology like Oekshott for swords, its way better.Dla fachury to ściema, ale dla przeciętnego tutejszego forumowicza to i tak za dobrze... ;)
aha no ale lepiej podawać prawidłowe niz wprowadzać w błąd
twoja husarka to wyraźna polsko-węgierska pierwsza karabela jest w miare ok chociaz jako ozdobna a nie bojowa a reszta tych karabel to wschodnie czeczugi ordynki smyczki itp... a i ta batorówka na dole to klasyczna Polsko-węgierska...
Sorry that i writed not in english but i dont want to translate this sorry.

[mack pl]

but FDT you send pics of sabers they are little bit wrong for more look into Zablocki or better to Kwasniewicz they made reviews and typology like Oekshott for swords, its way better.Dla fachury to ściema, ale dla przeciętnego tutejszego forumowicza to i tak za dobrze... ;)
aha no ale lepiej podawać prawidłowe niz wprowadzać w błąd
twoja husarka to wyraźna polsko-węgierska pierwsza karabela jest w miare ok chociaz jako ozdobna a nie bojowa a reszta tych karabel to wschodnie czeczugi ordynki smyczki itp... a i ta batorówka na dole to klasyczna Polsko-węgierska...
Sorry that i writed not in english but i dont want to translate this sorry.Kurde, i tak dobrze że fdt nie dał tu zdjęć mieczy z bitwy pod Grunwaldem ;) :lol: BTW widze Perdurabo,że jesteś znawcą białej broni(ja nie),zgodzisz sie,że szabla wz34(o ile pamiętam) była największym osiągnięciem w zakresie naszej broni białej? Tak tylko pytam,zboczenie studenta historii :roll: Pozdro :)

[perdurabo]

but FDT you send pics of sabers they are little bit wrong for more look into Zablocki or better to Kwasniewicz they made reviews and typology like Oekshott for swords, its way better.Dla fachury to ściema, ale dla przeciętnego tutejszego forumowicza to i tak za dobrze... ;)
aha no ale lepiej podawać prawidłowe niz wprowadzać w błąd
twoja husarka to wyraźna polsko-węgierska pierwsza karabela jest w miare ok chociaz jako ozdobna a nie bojowa a reszta tych karabel to wschodnie czeczugi ordynki smyczki itp... a i ta batorówka na dole to klasyczna Polsko-węgierska...
Sorry that i writed not in english but i dont want to translate this sorry.Kurde, i tak dobrze że fdt nie dał tu zdjęć mieczy z bitwy pod Grunwaldem ;) :lol: BTW widze Perdurabo,że jesteś znawcą białej broni(ja nie),zgodzisz sie,że szabla wz34(o ile pamiętam) była największym osiągnięciem w zakresie naszej broni białej? Tak tylko pytam,zboczenie studenta historii :roll: Pozdro :)
niezgodze się
urzywałem takiej troche i co prawda jest lepsza od wz22 i wz17 ale i tak sporo wygodniejsze są XVIIwieczne (miałem w łapkach różne szabelki lubie karabele bojowe są milusie ciekawa jest też pruska ullanen sabell albo blucher zawsze mi się mylą te dwie:/)
XVIIwieczna szabla hussarska jest szczytowym osiągnięciem jeśli chodzi o broń białą z szablowym ostrzem (katana jest dobra ale ma sporo braków) jedynie rapier wyprzedza szabelke i to tylko w pojedynkach bo bojowo w bitwie niema szans :D

[Haiw]

more like polish naked sabre fencing
No ****. It must have been cold too.

[mack pl]

but FDT you send pics of sabers they are little bit wrong for more look into Zablocki or better to Kwasniewicz they made reviews and typology like Oekshott for swords, its way better.Dla fachury to ściema, ale dla przeciętnego tutejszego forumowicza to i tak za dobrze... ;)
aha no ale lepiej podawać prawidłowe niz wprowadzać w błąd
twoja husarka to wyraźna polsko-węgierska pierwsza karabela jest w miare ok chociaz jako ozdobna a nie bojowa a reszta tych karabel to wschodnie czeczugi ordynki smyczki itp... a i ta batorówka na dole to klasyczna Polsko-węgierska...
Sorry that i writed not in english but i dont want to translate this sorry.Kurde, i tak dobrze że fdt nie dał tu zdjęć mieczy z bitwy pod Grunwaldem ;) :lol: BTW widze Perdurabo,że jesteś znawcą białej broni(ja nie),zgodzisz sie,że szabla wz34(o ile pamiętam) była największym osiągnięciem w zakresie naszej broni białej? Tak tylko pytam,zboczenie studenta historii :roll: Pozdro :)
niezgodze się
urzywałem takiej troche i co prawda jest lepsza od wz22 i wz17 ale i tak sporo wygodniejsze są XVIIwieczne (miałem w łapkach różne szabelki lubie karabele bojowe są milusie ciekawa jest też pruska ullanen sabell albo blucher zawsze mi się mylą te dwie:/)
XVIIwieczna szabla hussarska jest szczytowym osiągnięciem jeśli chodzi o broń białą z szablowym ostrzem (katana jest dobra ale ma sporo braków) jedynie rapier wyprzedza szabelke i to tylko w pojedynkach bo bojowo w bitwie niema szans :DRapier? tu mnie zaskoczyłeś :roll: Myślałem,że z szabelką gościa z rapierem mozna załatwić bardzo łatwo.(zaznaczam, gówno sie na tym znam) ;) :)

[mack pl]

more like polish naked sabre fencing
No ****. It must have been cold too.especially at winter :|

[Piotrek]

Rapier? tu mnie zaskoczyłeś :roll: Myślałem,że z szabelką gościa z rapierem mozna załatwić bardzo łatwo.(zaznaczam, gówno sie na tym znam) ;) :)

IMHO rapier is more dangerous in duel because it is easyer to damage important organs with stab then with cut and i think that it is easyer to defend against cut then stab - right?

[mack pl]

Rapier? tu mnie zaskoczyłeś :roll: Myślałem,że z szabelką gościa z rapierem mozna załatwić bardzo łatwo.(zaznaczam, gówno sie na tym znam) ;) :)

IMHO rapier is more dangerous in duel because it is easyer to damage important organs with stab then with cut and i think that it is easyer to defend against cut then stab - right?I dont know because I know **** about that :( But sabre is faster than rapier, so maybe that why i was thinking its better :roll: Ohhh, well, maybe perdurabo will explain us this ;) :D

[Piotrek]

I dont know because I know **** about that :( But sabre is faster than rapier, so maybe that why i was thinking its better :roll: Ohhh, well, maybe perdurabo will explain us this ;) :D

Well i think that rapier is faster cuz You dont have to make swing ( zamach = swing ??) only fast move forward but sabre is unbeatable as cavalry weapond (exept lanca :) )

[perdurabo]

Piotrek has right rapier is longer of course very good saber fencer can outmanouver it but its quite hard i had no problems dealing with kanatna users but rapier is allways hard sometimes imposible the best way is shoot in the face from pistol :-*$ :lol: if you have nadziak japanese fencer is dead from the begining rapier fencer has little longer period of life left :lol: all depends how quick you can go to close distance and cut him down. remember that saber is not ideal wepon on foot but from horse sadle its pure poetry :D you can do things that other can only dream about :D

[mack pl]

THX boys, i will buy rapier as soon is that posible ;) rofl

[Catch22]

Ok guys - are we talking about combat use of sabres and rapiers? Duelling with them? Or just typology. I've had certain (around 8 years) experience both in duelling and simulated combat fencing (which means variable number of opponents, unmatched weapons and so). I'd say history proved that sabre is generally most versatile long bladed weapon for military use (were not talking about bayonets here nor knives or machettes since the latter two are primarily tools not weapons). Generally smallsword, or a rapier is much more deadly in dueling combat (smallsword, although it looks gay is the most deadly in my opinion due to its speed and penerating power). Any of cut-and-thrust swords - such as well known Scottish "basket hilt" one or heavy pallsches of napoleonic cuirassiers couldn't offer such maneouverability accopanied with reasonably powerfull cut or thrust as a sabre gives. Last of the great battles where the sabres werein massive use - were campagins of 1920's Polish - Bolshevian (Red Russian) war. This conflict involved large troops of cavalry - and since XVIII century various types of sabres remained their favored weapons.

Today sabre, as well as smallsword (mainly for navy and artillery) or a heavy cavalry cuirassier sword remained as symbol of tradition with many honour guards. I know USMC NCO's are being given their "mameluke swords" on their promotion also as a symbol of tradition dating somewhere back to the XIX cent North African campagin.

I'd like to propose to post some examples of edged weapons carried by honour guards of diffrent countries - I'm looking forward to see some fine Wilkinsons p-)

[mack pl]

Ok guys - are we talking about combat use of sabres and rapiers? Duelling with them? Or just typology. I've had certain (around 8 years) experience both in duelling and simulated combat fencing (which means variable number of opponents, unmatched weapons and so). I'd say history proved that sabre is generally most versatile long bladed weapon for military use (were not talking about bayonets here nor knives or machettes since the latter two are primarily tools not weapons). Generally smallsword, or a rapier is much more deadly in dueling combat (smallsword, although it looks gay is the most deadly in my opinion due to its speed and penerating power). Any of cut-and-thrust swords - such as well known Scottish "basket hilt" one or heavy pallsches of napoleonic cuirassiers couldn't offer such maneouverability accopanied with reasonably powerfull cut or thrust as a sabre gives. Last of the great battles where the sabres werein massive use - were campagins of 1920's Polish - Bolshevian (Red Russian) war. This conflict involved large troops of cavalry - and since XVIII century various types of sabres remained their favored weapons.

Today sabre, as well as smallsword (mainly for navy and artillery) or a heavy cavalry cuirassier sword remained as symbol of tradition with many honour guards. I know USMC NCO's are being given their "mameluke swords" on their promotion also as a symbol of tradition dating somewhere back to the XIX cent North African campagin.

I'd like to propose to post some examples of edged weapons carried by honour guards of diffrent countries - I'm looking forward to see some fine Wilkinsons p-)OMG am I only one Pole here,who never had contact with sabre etc. :roll: :lol:

[Catch22]

Mack chłopie, just pray that if you at last "get in contact" with it you'll be tho one who's holding it by the grip ;) p-)

[mack pl]

Mack chłopie, just pray that if you at last "get in contact" with it you'll be tho one who's holding it by the grip ;) p-)Yeah,ok mate ;) I must ask my buddy from univ., can i join to his Knights club(Bractwo rycerskie)... :lol: ..but, I guess he have only sword's, not sabres :roll: ...ohh,well, thx a lot for informations about sabres and rapier.Regards.

[Herrmannek]

I fence only with bread* and if you want to know I'm master at it :)....

BTW artilery** is queen of all battlefields not sharped sticks....

*mainly because bread doesn't fight back
**Some states that cavalery, they are partialy right...there is no better thing than mobile artilery :)

[mack pl]

I fence only with bread* and if you want to know I'm master at it :)....

BTW artilery** is queen of all battlefields not sharped sticks....

*mainly because bread doesn't fight back
**Some states that cavalery, they are partialy right...there is no better thing than mobile artilery :)Tommorow i will buy sabre or rapier and I will kill you ape.Infidels incoming.Tommorow.Have a nice day........ :lol: ....BTW I hate artilery,its for pussys.I wanna see eyes of my enemys...... :lol:

[perdurabo]

I fence only with bread* and if you want to know I'm master at it :)....

BTW artilery** is queen of all battlefields not sharped sticks....

*mainly because bread doesn't fight back
**Some states that cavalery, they are partialy right...there is no better thing than mobile artilery :)Tommorow i will buy sabre or rapier and I will kill you ape.Infidels incoming.Tommorow.Have a nice day........ :lol: ....BTW I hate artilery,its for pussys.I wanna see eyes of my enemys...... :lol:
**** herrmanek he is infidel but talks like man and you are not infidel and talk like pussie! :D
no better thing than cavalery!

[mack pl]

I fence only with bread* and if you want to know I'm master at it :)....

BTW artilery** is queen of all battlefields not sharped sticks....

*mainly because bread doesn't fight back
**Some states that cavalery, they are partialy right...there is no better thing than mobile artilery :)Tommorow i will buy sabre or rapier and I will kill you ape.Infidels incoming.Tommorow.Have a nice day........ :lol: ....BTW I hate artilery,its for pussys.I wanna see eyes of my enemys...... :lol:
**** herrmanek he is infidel but talks like man and you are not infidel and talk like pussie! :D
no better thing than cavalery!Nah,no better thing than infantry ;) :lol:

[Herrmannek]

Agree.. THere is not better thing that artilery pulled by cavalery to smash some infanty :)

[perdurabo]

AirCavalery you don't need artilery or infantry or anything else :D

[Herrmannek]

AirCavalery you don't need artilery or infantry or anything else :D

Because it is Artilery, Infantry, Armor and Cavalery in One

[mack pl]

Agree.. THere is not better thing that artilery pulled by cavalery to smash some infanty :)Pussy :D Your artillery is fuzkin ****-what cannons do you have-Im sure only XVI century "półkartauna" or some **** like that ;) :lol:...ohh,well Im play too much on Medevil...Im generalissimus mack pl..... rofl

[Herrmannek]

Agree.. THere is not better thing that artilery pulled by cavalery to smash some infanty :)Pussy :D Your artillery is fuzkin ****-what cannons do you have-Im sure only XVI century "półkartauna" or some **** like that ;) :lol:

I have big cannon :)

[mack pl]

Agree.. THere is not better thing that artilery pulled by cavalery to smash some infanty :)Pussy :D Your artillery is fuzkin ****-what cannons do you have-Im sure only XVI century "półkartauna" or some **** like that ;) :lol:

I have big cannon :)Mięso armatnie rofl rofl

[perdurabo]

http://www.myarmoury.com/images/features/pic_hussar20.jpg
http://www.myarmoury.com/images/features/pic_hussar21.jpg
Polish hussar saber
on second pic we can see thumb ring witch give this saber extra power and great manouver posibilitys also guard that dosent come to end and is in special shape make this saber ideal for combat fencing
you can also see hove beautifully engraved they where.
http://www.platnerz.com/swordsmith/foto_gb/husarka%5Bgb%5D.jpg
http://www.muzeumkielce.net/zbiory/foto/militar/husar.gif
http://www.muzeumkielce.net/zbiory/foto/militar/80.jpg
engravings on blade:
http://www.muzeumkielce.net/zbiory/foto/militar/103.jpg

quite intresting hussar pallash:
http://www3.sympatico.ca/tomkaczor/img/pics/hupal3C.jpg
http://www3.sympatico.ca/tomkaczor/img/pics/hupal2A.jpg
http://www3.sympatico.ca/tomkaczor/img/pics/hupal4A.jpg

other sabers:
http://www.jest.art.pl/szabl02.jpg
http://www.jest.art.pl/szabl05.jpg

[perdurabo]

http://www.myarmoury.com/images/features/pic_hussar13.jpg
polish-hungarian sabers quite good and very popular.
http://www3.sympatico.ca/tomkaczor/img/pics/polwe4.jpg
http://www3.sympatico.ca/tomkaczor/img/pics/wegry12.jpg
http://www3.sympatico.ca/tomkaczor/img/pics/sz1.jpg
http://www.jest.art.pl/szabl06.jpg

[perdurabo]

http://www3.sympatico.ca/tomkaczor/img/pics/smokbok.jpg
http://www3.sympatico.ca/tomkaczor/img/pics/smok1.jpg
Polish Karabela saber hilts unique handling gives quickness
http://www3.sympatico.ca/tomkaczor/img/pics/kjan4.jpg
very unique karabela hilt with yatagan blade!!
other karabela pics:
http://www.muzeumkielce.net/wystawy/stale/uzbrojenie/karabel.gif
http://www.muzeumkielce.net/wystawy/stale/uzbrojenie/183b.jpg
http://www.muzeumkielce.net/wystawy/stale/uzbrojenie/183a.jpg
http://www.muzeumkielce.net/wystawy/stale/uzbrojenie/81.jpg
http://www.swords.pe.kr/pictures/otherdic/karabela.jpg
http://www.turkishculture.org/images/sword1.jpg
http://www.jest.art.pl/szabl07.jpg


http://www3.sympatico.ca/tomkaczor/img/pics/karwlad100.jpg
http://www3.sympatico.ca/tomkaczor/img/pics/kakr30.jpg
karabela saber with Zygmuntówka blade (it has king Sigismund engraved on blade there where also Batorówka with king Batory and Janówka with king Jan III Sobieski there is also 3rd May saber blades witch are dedicated to 3rd May constitution)

[perdurabo]

ok other sabers types:
Polish-Tattar saber caled Ordynka or Czeczuga
http://www3.sympatico.ca/tomkaczor/img/pics/czeczuga.jpg
notice the grip covered with shark skin (in polish its caled szagryn or jaszczur)

Indian Talwar
http://www3.sympatico.ca/tomkaczor/img/pics/talz4.jpg
http://www3.sympatico.ca/tomkaczor/img/pics/tb4.jpg
http://www.hindunet.org/saraswati/talwar.jpg

Turkish, Persian and Arab saber Shamshir
http://www3.sympatico.ca/tomkaczor/img/pics/kil4A.jpg
http://www3.sympatico.ca/tomkaczor/img/pics/sztur23.jpg
http://www.vikingsword.com/ethsword/shamshir/shamshir1o.jpg
http://www.vikingsword.com/ethsword/shamshir/shamshir2o.jpg
http://www.vikingsword.com/ethsword/shamshir/saif1o.jpg

Turkish Kilij
http://www3.sympatico.ca/tomkaczor/img/pics/kilpr2.jpg

Georgian Khevsur
http://www.russianswords.com/khevsur-ab2.jpg

Cossacs saber in form of Karabela Hussarska:
http://www3.sympatico.ca/tomkaczor/img/pics/kozacka4.jpg
http://www3.sympatico.ca/tomkaczor/img/pics/kozpa.jpg
very rare notice shark skin

Cossacs saber Shashka
http://www3.sympatico.ca/tomkaczor/img/pics/szasz4B.jpg
http://www3.sympatico.ca/tomkaczor/img/pics/szasz1.jpg

Yatagan
http://www3.sympatico.ca/tomkaczor/img/pics/jam4.jpg
http://www3.sympatico.ca/tomkaczor/img/pics/iatsz4A.jpg

central european Multana or Multanka
http://www3.sympatico.ca/tomkaczor/img/pics/mul4.jpg

Vietnamese Tonkin (upper) and Cochin sabers
http://sevenstarstrading.com/article/images/Viet2Dao.jpg

[mack pl]

Untill now nobody here can say-i dont know how polish sabre looks ;) Good job perdurabo-wołodyjowski ;) :lol:

[perdurabo]

I just love sabers i try to know everything about them i still learn about art of crafting and handling i still find new types from all over world
like this one
Afghan saber Pulovar from XIX century
http://images.goantiques.com/dbimages3/CVL229915083.jpg
its amazing because you can see Indian influence from Talwar sabers in pommel and arabic(also polish) in guard and blade is more in european style than very curved arabic style...

[mack pl]

I just love sabers i try to know everything about them i still learn about art of crafting and handling i still find new types from all over world
like this one
Afghan saber Pulovar from XIX century
BTW how many sabres do you have in home?

[perdurabo]

I just love sabers i try to know everything about them i still learn about art of crafting and handling i still find new types from all over world
like this one
Afghan saber Pulovar from XIX century
BTW how many sabres do you have in home?
only two but(next one im going to buy this summer) i have very little money and lots of costs.... :(

[mack pl]

I just love sabers i try to know everything about them i still learn about art of crafting and handling i still find new types from all over world
like this one
Afghan saber Pulovar from XIX century
BTW how many sabres do you have in home?
only two but(next one im going to buy this summer) i have very little money and lots of costs.... :(Mee to bro(without this part about sabres) ;) :lol:

[perdurabo]

so no one wants to talk about sabers swordes etc?:(

[mack pl]

so no one wants to talk about sabers swordes etc?:(DIE THREAD, DIE :-*$ .........(j.k)....no one here can talked with expert like you.... :lol: