Another piece of exquisite Palastinian propaganda

[~Berdan]

The evil soldiers send a k-9 dog to attack and possibly eat poor woman.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjDyPAQUmJQ


I don't even want to know what they say in that movie(bad evil occupation zionists nazis killed farfur bla bla bla).The youtube comments are worthy of Darwin awards academy prizes.

Somehow,the soldier are actually trying to pull the dog away from the woman,and one of them kicking the dog in the mouth.Tough luck on the lady side,but it looks like the dog did a bad PR stunt against it's operator will..

Now,I wonder what the "eyewitnesses" will tell about the evil zionazi soldiers who unleashed the dog on the woman to drink her bloud and satisfy their unhuman needs.
I wonder what the sympathetic "haarez" reporter with murky eyes will write.And I wonder what joy mr. Shnizel and his bodies around the globe will feel when they rush to post about Israeli evildoings.

[Mr. Nielsen]

The evil soldiers send a k-9 dog to attack and possibly eat poor woman.Poor woman? She is undoubtedly an anti-semitic, terrorist, nazi woman who will make babies only for making them grow up to be suicide bombers and meet the 72 virgins.:-)

[~Berdan]

Poor woman? She is undoubtedly an anti-semitic, terrorist, nazi woman who will make babies only for making them grow up to be suicide bombers and meet the 72 virgins.:-)

Oh,haha,that's right,so funny...

Nig...a please,the moment this "eyewitness evidence" is printed in newspapers without the videotaped part,you and your alter egos are going to have a marathon run to see who post it the first.

Don't make yourself smarter and more witty then you are.

[krasnayaarmiya]

Those soldiers were not trying very hard to stop the dog. First, three of them didn't have to just stand there, and they also could have shot the dog if it was important enough not to maul someone. What is worse to you, that the soldiers got bad publicity or that a woman was being chewed on by a dog? Who do you think had a worse experience in that episode, the soldiers or the woman or the dog? Now ponder that theme. You write three times in your first post that you "wonder" or "don't want to know" what is being said. That is the definition of willful ignorance.

[~Berdan]

Those soldiers were not trying very hard to stop the dog. First, three of them didn't have to just stand there, and they also could have shot the dog if it was important enough not to maul someone. What is worse to you, that the soldiers got bad publicity or that a woman was being chewed on by a dog? Who do you think had a worse experience in that episode, the soldiers or the woman or the dog? Now ponder that theme. You write three times in your first post that you "wonder" or "don't want to know" what is being said. That is the definition of willful ignorance.

Now you pounder on this!!
In soldier squad,how much people are k-9 handlers,and how many of them can operate military dogs?
What is more logical,all of them are k-9 operators or just one soldier in the squad?

Now you chew on this(and use your imagination why no one besides dog handler don't want to touch the dog).
And offcorse I find it bad enough that the woman was eaten by a military dog,so why use it to create propaganda and tell how bad and evil Israelies are?

[krasnayaarmiya]

Now you pounder on this!!
why use it to create propaganda and tell how bad and evil Israelies are?

Because the Palestinians are trying to subjugate the Israelis to control their land and resources.:roll:

[derkrieger]

The soldiers responsible for the dog are either inadequate k-9 soldiers, doing their jobs rather badly, for not being capable of commanding the poor animal as they should be, or they are taking their time in intercepting. In none of the cases there is much to brag about.
Palestinians? I dont care about them really but as far as I know these "damned of the world" have been more frequently screwed by their kinsmen than by the Israelis

[krasnayaarmiya]

Palestinians? I dont care about them really but as far as I know these "damned of the world" have been more frequently screwed by their kinsmen than by the Israelis

It speaks to the power of Israeli propaganda that this kind of equivocation is seen as valid.

[NimDod]

I don't even want to know what they say in that movie(bad evil occupation zionists nazis killed farfur bla bla bla).The youtube comments are worthy of Darwin awards academy prizes.

in the incident in the video in the West Bank village of Obadiyah, near Bethlehem, March 21, 2007, The dog was supposed to enter a Palestinian house before Israeli soldiers during a search for a wanted militant, and the Palestinian woman tried to stop it.


if the YouTube viewers couldnt figure out what was going on when they were watching it there, what made you think its going to be any different in here?
even if you posted a video of an Israeli doctor treating a wonded Palestinian, Mr. Nielsen & co would say he's probebly extracting body parts or getting blood for Matza bread for passover or whatever.

so why bother posting propeganda and explaining its false? people would see what they want to see, no matter how infentile it is.

[tanks_alot]

It speaks to the power of Israeli propaganda that this kind of equivocation is seen as valid.

Really? let's take a dive into the past shall we? when the war of independence ended in 1949, Israel managed to capture some parts of what the UN allocated to an Arab state in it's two states solution.
Egypt and Jordan occupied the greater part of it, the West bank and the Gaza Strip, they could have created a Palestinian state right then and there, they had until 1967 to do so, but instead they controled the Palestinians with an iron fist and a marshal law, while using the Palestinians to launch terror attacks inside Israel.

and how can we forget the Black September in 1970 where Jordan slaughterd 10,000 Palestinians and banshied thousands of others.

The arabs that remained inside the Israeli borders were given all of the rights every Israeli has but without all of the duties (conscription).
where as Palestinians in the Arab world are not even treated as second class citizens,even today.

so there's no propaganda there, just facts but it says a lot about you, calling it propaganda.

[krasnayaarmiya]

in the incident in the video in the West Bank village of Obadiyah, near Bethlehem, March 21, 2007, The dog was supposed to enter a Palestinian house before Israeli soldiers during a search for a wanted militant, and the Palestinian woman tried to stop it.


if the YouTube viewers couldnt figure out what was going on when they were watching it there, what made you think its going to be any different in here?
even if you posted a video of an Israeli doctor treating a wonded Palestinian, Mr. Nielsen & co would say he's probebly extracting body parts or getting blood for Matza bread for passover or whatever.

so why bother posting propeganda and explaining its false? people would see what they want to see, no matter how infentile it is.

Now I agree that the YouTube headline for that clip was mendacious, but if I had watched that clip without any introduction nor headline, I still would have thought that the woman was the worst for the interaction. I don't want to believe Israel is in the wrong. I want to believe otherwise, as do most of the people in my country who have backed your military industrial complex. There were many admirable things about Israeli society, not the least of which are your sexy girls, who don't get the privilege of being used as chewtoys by dogs just to prove the point that, by doing so, the country of the biting victims earns public relations points.

[~Berdan]

You are funny...Btw
I was once used as a chewtoy for some asswipe's dog..(the mother ****er didn't kept his dog on restrain in his back yard,and I had to run like a mother ****er,which didn't helped me,and eventually only lead to bleeding kneecaps and torn new t-shirt).
Is it possible to put it on youtube and write that Georgians are a menace to human kind and like to release and attack dogs and bystanders?

[krasnayaarmiya]

Really? let's take a dive into the past shall we? when the war of independence ended in 1949, Israel managed to capture some parts of what the UN allocated to an Arab state in it's two states solution.
Egypt and Jordan occupied the greater part of it, the West bank and the Gaza Strip, they could have created a Palestinian state right then and there, they had until 1967 to do so, but instead they controled the Palestinians with an iron fist and a marshal law, while using the Palestinians to launch terror attacks inside Israel.

and how can we forget the Black September in 1970 where Jordan slaughterd 10,000 Palestinians and banshied thousands of others.

The arabs that remained inside the Israeli borders were given all of the rights every Israeli has but without all of the duties (conscription).
where as Palestinians in the Arab world are not even treated as second class citizens,even today.

so there's no propaganda there, just facts but it says a lot about you, calling it propaganda.

As informative as it was, your argument is akin to old line that slavery in the US was justified because African enslaved Africans, too. It ignores the behavior and RESPONSIBILITY of those in the position of power who commit the crime.

Okay, let's say a senile old woman with a black eye is standing on a dangerous city corner, kind of confused and hobbling, her purse open and dangling money in the open. You see her, and notice that some shady characters are eyeing her. Is it okay to take her money because "it's going to happen anyway" or "she probably gets hit at home"?

Like I said, the headline written by that idiot on YouTube was a lie, but you have more outrage for the headline than for the conditions in the occupied territories that create these kind of "incidences".

[krasnayaarmiya]

You are funny...Btw
I was once used as a chewtoy for some asswipe's dog..(the mother ****er didn't kept his dog on restrain in his back yard,and I had to run like a mother ****er,which didn't helped me,and eventually only lead to bleeding kneecaps and torn new t-shirt).
Is it possible to put it on youtube and write that Georgians are a menace to human kind and like to release and attack dogs and bystanders?


Is Eretz-Georgia occupying your land?

[krasnayaarmiya]

By the way, you fellas' English is quite good, grasp of idioms and all. I'm sure the Arabs are envious of your access to the Anglo-Saxon sphere of public relations, you know the one most dominant in the whole world.

[LEGEND]

Like I said, the headline written by that idiot on YouTube was a lie, but you have more outrage for the headline than for the conditions in the occupied territories that create these kind of "incidences".

The incident was unfortunate that she got bitten by the dog, but accidents like this can happen anywhere. I assume you are quite aware of the reasons why these soldiers need to risk their lives and go into palestinian cities. But then again you might believe that it is just to oppress the population and make their lives miserable.

[krasnayaarmiya]

The soldiers have to be in the territories to stop naughty Arab boys from kissing nubile Israeli girls, or better, to prevent smelly Palestinian men from groping Jewish soccer moms. No, BK, why don't you tell us how noble the IDF is and how Israel has never espoused taking more land, and especially more water? I like how when "our" side does it, it's miscalculation or oversight, but when the other side does it, it's egregious. Then again, I'm just a dumb American who can't place Canada on a map, right, Brooklyn?

[LEGEND]

The soldiers have to be in the territories to stop naughty Arab boys from kissing nubile Israeli girls, or better, to prevent smelly Palestinian men from groping Jewish soccer moms. No, BK, why don't you tell us how noble the IDF is and how Israel has never espoused taking more land, and especially more water? I like how when "our" side does it, it's miscalculation or oversight, but when the other side does it, it's egregious.
There is no point to continue this discussions, as I'm quite sure that you are perfectly aware of the reasons why those soldiers are in that town, but yet you keep up with the assertions that Israel is a land grabbing "entity" despite Israel consistently giving up territory for "peace" and getting more violence in return.





Then again, I'm just a dumb American who can't place Canada on a map, right, Brooklyn?
If you say so...

[Bia]

The evil soldiers send a k-9 dog to attack and possibly eat poor woman.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjDyPAQUmJQ


I don't even want to know what they say in that movie(bad evil occupation zionists nazis killed farfur bla bla bla).The youtube comments are worthy of Darwin awards academy prizes.

Somehow,the soldier are actually trying to pull the dog away from the woman,and one of them kicking the dog in the mouth.Tough luck on the lady side,but it looks like the dog did a bad PR stunt against it's operator will..

Now,I wonder what the "eyewitnesses" will tell about the evil zionazi soldiers who unleashed the dog on the woman to drink her bloud and satisfy their unhuman needs.
I wonder what the sympathetic "haarez" reporter with murky eyes will write.And I wonder what joy mr. Shnizel and his bodies around the globe will feel when they rush to post about Israeli evildoings.

bla bla bla.... both sides are full of ****.
Equal stupidity all around.

[krasnayaarmiya]

bla bla bla.... both sides are full of ****.
Equal stupidity all around.

Exactly! Both sides are equally wrong, there is no such thing as right and wrong, your disgust for politics is an apathy that has been bought and paid for. Let's just go to the mall and spend the equity in our houses.

[krasnayaarmiya]

I'm quite sure that you are perfectly aware of the reasons why those soldiers are in that town





If you say so...

To show those Arabushim who the real men are?

[Decebalus]

Propaganda is false, if its true, then its no propaganda.

If it was an Israeli person, they would have shot the muff on spot. But instead they took their precious time.

Nice try, you failed

[Laworkerbee]

Those soldiers were not trying very hard to stop the dog. First, three of them didn't have to just stand there, and they also could have shot the dog if it was important enough not to maul someone.

Right like their are going to shoot the dog a member of their unit, think the LAPD would do something like that?

[krasnayaarmiya]

Propaganda is false, if its true, then its no propaganda.

Too bad you don't get to just create your own definition of an established word. Propaganda PROPAGATES information, true OR false to further aims.

definition: prop·a·gan·da [prop-uh-gan-duh] ****unciation Key - Show IPA ****unciation
–noun
1. information, ideas, or rumors deliberately spread widely to help or harm a person, group, movement, institution, nation, etc.
2. the deliberate spreading of such information, rumors, etc.
3. the particular doctrines or principles propagated by an organization or movement.
4. Roman Catholic Church.
a. a committee of cardinals, established in 1622 by Pope Gregory XV, having supervision over foreign missions and the training of priests for these missions.
b. a school (College of Propaganda) established by Pope Urban VIII for the education of priests for foreign missions.
5. Archaic. an organization or movement for the spreading of propaganda.
[Origin: 1710–20; < NL, short for congreg?ti? dé prop?gand? fidé congregation for propagating the faith; prop?gand?, abl. sing. fem. gerundive of prop?g?re; see propagate]

[krasnayaarmiya]

Right like their are going to shoot the dog a member of their unit, think the LAPD would do something like that?

LAPD like to shoot sentient beings that have been growing on Earth for seventeen years or less.

[Laworkerbee]

Come again?

[krasnayaarmiya]

Come again?

The LAPD is hardly a paragon of purity-of-arms in California.

[NimDod]

To show those Arabushim who the real men are?

the footage of a k-9 attacking a woman maybe looks bad, but I'd rather see that then a suicide bomber go off in the middle of the street.

its easy to be sarcastic, living in safety on the other side of the planet.
on this side, people get killed by terrorists such as the one that was hiding in that house.

[krasnayaarmiya]

its easy to be sarcastic, living in safety on the other side of the planet.


Nimrod, my city is more dangerous than your whole country, right, Laworkerbee?

[krasnayaarmiya]

I don't know what all the fuss is. The Palestinians are a people on a steep decline. They are going down swinging. I thought all you militarist guys appreciate "dying with your boots on". Did you hear all the whistling in the video, when the woman is misunderstanding the dog and his soldiers? The whistling is the Palestinians saying "Mother****er, we can't handle this **** right here right now, but we see it and you will get yours."

[Kilgor]

Right like their are going to shoot the dog a member of their unit, think the LAPD would do something like that?

Considering how much time and effort goes into training those animals, the idea of such a event is insane.

[krasnayaarmiya]

Considering how much time and effort goes into training those animals, the idea of such a event is insane.

In Israeli cost-benefit analysis, the expense of raising an Israeli dog is more than the expense of raising three more martyrs. What grand logic and puny hearts.

[Laworkerbee]

Nimrod, my city is more dangerous than your whole country, right, Laworkerbee?

Sometimes I think Los Angeles is bad, but I shudder when I think of Oakland. My first experience there driving through Oakland was of a man running for his life from 3 dudes chasing him with pipes. I remember saying "we really need to get the **** out of here!" and I have felt that way since.

However the security situation in Israel is quite different, I wonder how American's would react to such threats...I think we would make the Israeli's look tame by comparison if say Mexicans were detonating themselves at our border crossing points.

[krasnayaarmiya]

Sometimes I think Los Angeles is bad, but I shudder when I think of Oakland. My first experience there driving through Oakland was of a man running for his life from 3 dudes chasing him with pipes. I remember saying "we really need to get the **** out of here!" and I have felt that way since.

However the security situation in Israel is quite different, I wonder how American's would react to such threats...I think we would make the Israeli's look tame by comparison if say Mexicans were detonating themselves at our border crossing points.

That man in the house of the woman from the video wasn't a terrorist, he was just slangin caine or e-pills. Everyone is so misunderstood, especially the combat troops surrounding the misguided woman. Poor, heavily armed soldiers...

[Laworkerbee]

That man in the house of the woman from the video wasn't a terrorist, he was just slangin caine or e-pills.

maybe even a bakery.....Oakland style p-)

[krasnayaarmiya]

He make muffins, go "boom"

[krasnayaarmiya]

maybe even a bakery.....Oakland style p-)

Oh yeah, he is referring to the assasination of a journalist in broad daylight in downtown Oakland a few days ago.

[Laworkerbee]

Oh yeah, he is referring to the assasination of a journalist in broad daylight in downtown Oakland a few days ago.

And the Muslim who called himself a "good soldier" for committing the murder as well.

[Decebalus]

Too bad you don't get to just create your own definition of an established word. Propaganda PROPAGATES information, true OR false to further aims.

Yeah I know what propaganda is and that video ain't propaganda. Everything said about it is a fact as seen in the video and facts can't be propaganda.

You can make use of a fact and display it as propaganda, but thats not the case. And usually propaganda is false.

[LaoSexMachine]

Yeah I know what propaganda is and that video ain't propaganda. Everything said about it is a fact as seen in the video and facts can't be propaganda.

You can make use of a fact and display it as propaganda, but thats not the case. And usually propaganda is false.

Were you there while it was being filmed?

[krasnayaarmiya]

And the Muslim who called himself a "good soldier" for committing the murder as well.

Those guys are a splinter group of a cult, not true Muslims in anything but using the word "Allah". Otherwise, the don't really get into the Koran, nor the Five Pillars of Faith, and they have a another prophet besides Muhammed.

[krasnayaarmiya]

Yeah I know what propaganda is and that video ain't propaganda. Everything said about it is a fact as seen in the video and facts can't be propaganda.

You can make use of a fact and display it as propaganda, but thats not the case. And usually propaganda is false.

This is weird in that I agree with your condemnation of the acts visualized in the video, but I disagree with the assesment made by the hyperbole of the headline attached to said video.

[krasnayaarmiya]

Were you there while it was being filmed?

Dang, we can't even believe our own eyes, now? And all that after going to war when Gen. Powell presented a doodle of NBC Tonka trucks as evidence in the United Nations, not even a cartoon, let alone a video?

[loganinkosovo]

Dogs are a very good judge of character and that dog did not like that woman one damn bit.

If she stopped struggling it would have gone easier on her to.

At least the Dog didn't go after his handler like the French Dogs do! :)

[maundy]

You can't lump the Palestinians in with the rest of the terrorists.

Did you know in Palestine there are religious centres which are absolutely massive which have Christians, Jews and Muslims all worshiping together?

Don't believe everything you hear about that mob, they might be bat**** insane half of them but they don't deserve to be put in the same boat as Al Qaeda.

[JJC]

You can't lump the Palestinians in with the rest of the terrorists.

Did you know in Palestine there are religious centres which are absolutely massive which have Christians, Jews and Muslims all worshiping together?

Don't believe everything you hear about that mob, they might be bat**** insane half of them but they don't deserve to be put in the same boat as Al Qaeda.

Can you please post some links about these centers in Palestine where Jews and Muslims worship together? I just never heard of such a thing, but it would be amazing to hear that Jews(non IDF) would enter a city like Ramalah and come out alive.

[maundy]

I don't have any links only accounts from people who have been there personally who I trust to tell me the truth.

It's really not what its' blown up to be. They just want Israel gone, it's not such an anti Semite thing but rather an anti Crown thing. Even Iran has a Jewish community who chooses to live there rather than Israel, and they are looked after over there too.

It really isn't anti Jewish crap for alot of them, it's people desperate for freedom who are prepared to be brainwashed in to blowing themselves up.

Why do you think the IRA helped set them up over there? They have essentially the same goal for their countries.

[Dispatcher]

Yeah I know what propaganda is and that video ain't propaganda. Everything said about it is a fact as seen in the video and facts can't be propaganda.

You can make use of a fact and display it as propaganda, but thats not the case. And usually propaganda is false.


FALSE?? Let me introduce the new palestinian minister for communication;

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x108/Mjolnir_bucket/sahaf2.jpg

[JJC]

Well it would take a wile to go inot whole history of middle east, but no Palestinians can't be compared to IRA or to Melson Mandella's movement.

IRA wanted independence, not murdering British nation because they denied British existence as a nation. Today's Arabs that identify themselves as Palestinians share the equal ideology as the Arabs of the 1920s, 30s, 50s,70s etc, where the entire Arab/Muslim culture whether it is in the middle east or Asia deny and will not recognize Israel as a Jewish State. The issue is not because of land dispute who gets what piece but the creation of a modern Jewish state. (Islamists ideology can't live with a Jewish nation in their "holly" middle east back yard.)

The Jewish State has never denied and was ready to accept and compromise for a Palestinian State, but many factors impede the creation of a Palestinian State today.

[maundy]

That's a fair view point, but the way I look at it in regards to the IRA similarities is like this;

The Brits took Ireland off the Irish, the Irish fought to get part of it back, started up again to try and take the North. The IRA deny NI as a part of the British empire just as they did when the whole country was under crown rule.

The Brits took land off a whole bunch of Arabs and gave it to displaced Jews and now the Palestinians are fighting to get it back.

There is no need for a compromise, it's like if I turn up at your house and take your swimming pool and protect it with my gats, then you come around and say you want a swim and I say rack off you can have the love seat to splash on and that's it, the rest is mine. Don't like that compromise? FINE. I'm putting an electric fence around the pool and attack sharks in the water. Deal with it.

[krasnayaarmiya]

Well it would take a wile to go inot whole history of middle east, but no Palestinians can't be compared to IRA or to Melson Mandella's movement.



In so much as nothing can be compared to anything else, sure, you might be right. But we need to draw precedence where we can, lest history elude us altogether. Incidentally, Britain's PM Arthur Balfour stated that he seeked to duplicate Ulster (N. Ireland) in Palestine. Israel also supported UNITA and the apartheid government's actions in Southern Africa.

[Snoshi]

bla bla bla.... both sides are full of ****.
Equal stupidity all around.

Bia can you just leave this thread?

People who make these kind of comments are usually those who dont understand a **** about ME.

[maundy]

Incidentally, Britain's PM Arthur Balfour stated that he seeked to duplicate Ulster (N. Ireland) in Palestine. Israel also supported UNITA and the apartheid government's actions in Southern Africa.

Didn't they also develop nukes with the Saffies or something similar? There is so much going on that people miss because they try and look at things on too grand a scale. Nothing is ever what it seems is it? Slow down and look at the stop signs.

[derkrieger]

Well it would take a wile to go inot whole history of middle east, but no Palestinians can't be compared to IRA or to Melson Mandella's movement.

IRA wanted independence, not murdering British nation because they denied British existence as a nation. Today's Arabs that identify themselves as Palestinians share the equal ideology as the Arabs of the 1920s, 30s, 50s,70s etc, where the entire Arab/Muslim culture whether it is in the middle east or Asia deny and will not recognize Israel as a Jewish State. The issue is not because of land dispute who gets what piece but the creation of a modern Jewish state. (Islamists ideology can't live with a Jewish nation in their "holly" middle east back yard.)

The Jewish State has never denied and was ready to accept and compromise for a Palestinian State, but many factors impede the creation of a Palestinian State today.
As far as I can remember PLA (Al Fatah and others) had recognized the right of an Israeli state to exist in 1988. It was signed by no other person than Arafat himself. I can see that you are really very much into propaganda.
Today Palestinians are the David and IDF the Goliath. Who is in a deeper **** fellas? Palestinians or the mighty Israeli state? Surely Palestinians would get the full treatment whenever they move their asses. Israel leans all its policies on a misconceived sense of insecurity. I know suicide bombers and Katyushas but come on Israel IS invincible for years to come, but they still create this incessant fear. Israel is kicking and alive and I wish Palestinians could enjoy their own land with access to minimum of humane living conditions.
EDIT: Arafat and his men were never ever Islamists, they were rather nationalists.

[krasnayaarmiya]

[quote=JJC;2687018]Today's Arabs that identify themselves as Palestinians share the equal ideology as the Arabs of the 1920s, 30s, 50s,70s etc, where the entire Arab/Muslim culture whether it is in the middle east or Asia deny and will not recognize Israel as a Jewish State. quote]

Should the Irish recognize the County of Ulster in the United Kingdom as a Protestant State? Should we recognize a Hindu State? What about Alabama as a Baptist State (joke)? What if the United States had said they would only be a country for European Protestants? Jews would not have found sanctuary here, and we wouldn't be having this conversation. The land called Israel can only be thought of as the provenence of one people if you are gonna thump the Torah, otherwise why should it be deemed esteemable to attempt to set up a country for one people? Of course you can accomplish this through sheer stubborness, ethnic cleansing, and force of arms; but you will reap the whirlwind. Israel should be a state of shifting demographics, like all countries. And for all you "One country, one people, one God" folks, when have people ever been homogenous (except Korea, lol)? Good luck with that social engineering experiment of trying to create an ethno-religiously based state in the Third Millennium of the Common Era.

[Schizo]

bla bla bla.... both sides are full of ****.
Equal stupidity all around.

Back to Redneckville!

[Elemental666]

The soldiers responsible for the dog are either inadequate k-9 soldiers, doing their jobs rather badly, for not being capable of commanding the poor animal as they should be.

I'm not an expert on K-9, But I'm pretty sure those dogs aren't machines that are going to obey your order every single time, no matter how much training you've done with them. In fact the dog handling soldiers them selfs get bitten quite often by their own dogs, that's just their nature.


Back to Redneckville!

X2. Seriously.

[zwonder]

As far as I can remember PLA (Al Fatah and others) had recognized the right of an Israeli state to exist in 1988. It was signed by no other person than Arafat himself. I can see that you are really very much into propaganda.
Today Palestinians are the David and IDF the Goliath. Who is in a deeper **** fellas? Palestinians or the mighty Israeli state? Surely Palestinians would get the full treatment whenever they move their asses. Israel leans all its policies on a misconceived sense of insecurity. I know suicide bombers and Katyushas but come on Israel IS invincible for years to come, but they still create this incessant fear. Israel is kicking and alive and I wish Palestinians could enjoy their own land with access to minimum of humane living conditions.
EDIT: Arafat and his men were never ever Islamists, they were rather nationalists.

Arafat and his men were just opportunistic bandits, they drank up all of the aid money given to the Palestinians, wasted time money and human life so they can drag some extra cash for themselves.

They never had any intention of fulfilling Oslo, that is known and documented, but I don't believe that they either had any master plan to use Oslo as a stage program to *destroy* Israel, I just can't see any of the front line PLO people being sophisticated enough for that, maybe the bigger snakes like Husseini and Kaddumi, but the PLO leadership was/is just too incompetent and corrupt to carry out a national-level plan, be it war or peace.

I think that for them it wasn't anything other than a way of gaining money, boasting ego and killing some Jews on the way.

I disregard the rest of your post, it's just post-modernistic bs, bla bla the Palestinians are weak so you sympathize them. Logic and maturity is not strong in this part, have you thought for a second that maybe the underdog isn't automatically right always? Maybe there's other ways to pick side, how about morality, justice, cause, actions, history etc.

[derkrieger]

@ zwonder;
First of all thank you for having taken your time to reply to and comment on my post.
You are very well aware of that I was answering the claim of a fellow forumer, that Arabs, Palestinians to be exact, would never accept the existence of a jewish state. I kindly reminded that even Arafat had the wisdom and decency once, to accept it.
I am really not into stereotyping and do believe that it would not do anybody anygood anytime. I know Palestina Admin. is a corrupt and inefficient organization but this would not strip them of their right to establish their own land. Speaking of corruption, greed and other obscenity you attach to arabs, a certain Katsav comes to mind. :) Would that mean all the Israelis are that way or only therefore should lose their statehood. Should all the 3rd World states be abolished and placed under tutelage of France and Germany for being the corrupt and badly-run entities they are?
About my postmodern BS, well I think I am rather a modernist, believe in almost every modern thing, I have found out, like international economics liberalism, human rights etc...

[derkrieger]

and I fail to understand what made you think that I sympathize with the palestinians. well I dont.
In addition: I think no matter how bad the circumstances might get, terrorism IS UNcondone-able.

[zwonder]

I don't think Israel needs anyone to "recognize" it, you can shut your eyes and ears and say it doesn't exist or whatever, but it's just a fact. Nobody's going to care if you deny the existence of raspberry shrubs, but if you go around with a saw and start cutting them off, well, raspberry's going to fight back.

I wasn't saying anything about setting up a called committee for the Palestinians, just stating a fact, two facts in fact.

1. That Palestinian leadership was never serious about peace.

2. That Palestinian leadership was never anything other than a bunch of bandits seeking self profit.

[derkrieger]

If they dont need any recognition, then why do people bother with writing that Arabs would never recognize them etc..

Israel needs recognition. It is a beautiful land, a modern country with good people and breathtaking kosher beauties. It would benefit from the lessening of the tensions in the region. Everybody needs peace.

For your so-called facts, well they are called bias in English.
How was it possible for Arabs to use Oslo process to "destroy" Israel? They cannot do a jack to Eretz, free your mind from all these unsubstantiated fears-conspiracies.