Bush commits purgery to American people on POW's

[obd]

Bush, in a rose garden speech after his meeting with the King of Jordan, responded to questions about the torture pictures of Iraqi prisoners by saying "The first time I heard about this was on CNN. It is disgusting"... Now it emerges that this was a bald face lie to the American people and that Bush and his administration did know about the prisoner abuse and had already launched over 20 investigations............Bush next back peddeled and said there were months old investigations into the matter.........

Source: Every single major news service in American covered Bush's rose garden statement to the American people when news of this broke and he flat out lied and said "The first time I heard of this was when the story broke on CNN".........

George W. Bush is a liar...... He knew full well what was going on and he tried to lie in his inititial response as a way of shirking any responsibility.............

Bill Clinton lied about a blow job and an impeachment trial was launched.. George Bush lies about an important matter of national security and national prestige and a matter of the abuse of international law....... IMPEECH GEORGE BUSH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Fioraon]

he didn't lie, he just didn't tell the truth.

[cqbrdy]

No.

[scm77]

No indeed.

[Pooga]

Impeach is spelled with an 'a', not "impeech."

[Vance]

Maybe he didn't want it to get out because of the enourmous uproar it would cause. Hell, I'd do that.

[Sean85]

But Bill Clinton lied UNDEROATH

Bush was not underoath at the time

[SeanAshi]

IMPEECH GEORGE BUSH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!No give him the Nobel Peace Prise, if Arafat can have one, anyone can.

[vikingblade]

But Bill Clinton lied UNDEROATH

Bush was not underoath at the time

THAT IS EXACTLY THE POINT. BIG DIFFERENCE. Every politition ever to take office has lied. anyone who doesnt believe that is either stupid, a lier himself or naive beyond belief.

if you left guys wanna go for an impeachment, ya better get em to lie under oath and prove it. i dont think its gonna happen.

[One?]

Didn't rumsfeld say he never informed bush about the pictures or something like that?

[nerdman]

But Bill Clinton lied UNDEROATH

Bush was not underoath at the time

THAT IS EXACTLY THE POINT. BIG DIFFERENCE. Every politition ever to take office has lied. anyone who doesnt believe that is either stupid, a lier himself or naive beyond belief.

if you left guys wanna go for an impeachment, ya better get em to lie under oath and prove it. i dont think its gonna happen.

Word. Hard be a politition without selling a little bit of your soul.

[Romulus]

IMPEECH GEORGE BUSH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why did you have to waste all of our time with your drivel and just get right to your main reason (and only reason you ever post) why you posted here. You can get your chance to get him out in November. But get used to him because he will be around for another 4 years.

[MarineSniper8541]

Just because his administration knew and was launching investigations does not mean that HE knew....YET.
There are a million things that go on in government that must he handled, I am sure that at the time he made that statement, it had not yet exploded into the serious issue that it is now.

His administration knowing and him knowing do not necessarily have to be one in the same.

[chauncy republicans]

Bill Clinton lied about a blow job and an impeachment trial was launched.. George Bush lies about an important matter of national security and national prestige and a matter of the abuse of international law
Rediculous is'nt it...I wonder how many people were killed beacause of Bill's blowjob?

[TALOS]

Bill Clinton lied about a blow job and an impeachment trial was launched.. George Bush lies about an important matter of national security and national prestige and a matter of the abuse of international law
Rediculous is'nt it...I wonder how many people were killed beacause of Bill's blowjob?
Gee chauncey, how many people were killed because Clinton wouldnt act on info about UBL?

[Kilgor]

Gee chauncey, how many people were killed because Clinton wouldnt act on info about UBL?

damm beat me too it.

While slick willy was getting a knee wobbler and slashing money out of the armed forces, OBL was ignored.

[chauncy republicans]

Bill Clinton lied about a blow job and an impeachment trial was launched.. George Bush lies about an important matter of national security and national prestige and a matter of the abuse of international law
Rediculous is'nt it...I wonder how many people were killed beacause of Bill's blowjob?
Gee chauncey, how many people were killed because Clinton wouldnt act on info about UBL?
He did act, not the way most of the right wing wanted though. He could've launched more missiles, but even though he did'nt, it still was better than invading, and providing a tangable U.S. force to attack, and use for propaganda (for terrorists). Even if you could blame 9/11 on Clinton, the 3000 people are a drop in the bucket compared to the total casualties sustained (Civilians, Soldiers, Marines, coalition forces, Iraqi Regulars, And insurgents) in the current Iraq war. If you want to play the game of "who killed more people as a result of failed policy game" I suggest you not take Bush's side, you will only loose.

[Kilgor]

He did act, not the way most of the right wing wanted though

US cole
First world trade centre bombing
African embassy bombings

All bascially ignored... The left wing way to do things ?

Its bull****, he was asleep at the wheel

face it.

[SFontaine]

Wanna know when I heard about this story? 4 months ago when the story first broke. It wasn't a big deal because there were no pictures attached. The article stated an investigation was underway and the people involved would be charged.. That's that. Bush knew about it, Rumsfeld knew about it etc. Everyone know about it. Then the pictures broke. That's what Bush didn't know about. Try to put things in context when you quote people, please.

[chauncy republicans]

All bascially ignored... The left wing way to do things ?
You ever hear of Joseph Stalin? :cantbeli:
Bush also ignored UBL... untill Sept.11 that is, so I take it that must be the right wing way to do things: wait untill something catastophic happens and then try to deal with it? Suposedly Condoleeza Rice didnt even know who Usama Bin Laden was before her job as National Security Advisor. If Bush was so worried about UBL why did he nominate a Cold War expert for National Security Advisor? BTW she is also on the Board of Directors of Mobile. :lol:

[chauncy republicans]

Wanna know when I heard about this story? 4 months ago when the story first broke. It wasn't a big deal because there were no pictures attached. The article stated an investigation was underway and the people involved would be charged.. That's that. Bush knew about it, Rumsfeld knew about it etc. Everyone know about it. Then the pictures broke. That's what Bush didn't know about. Try to put things in context when you quote people, please.
I believe your right, Bush did'nt know about the pictures, but knew of the allegations.

[budanski]

Suposedly Condoleeza Rice didnt even know who Usama Bin Laden was before her job as National Security Advisor. If Bush was so worried about UBL why did he nominate a Cold War expert for National Security Advisor? BTW she is also on the Board of Directors of Mobile. :lol:

You need to do a little more research before opening your trap. Talk radio had been playing a radio interview that Rice gave in Detroit back in October 2000 addressing how OBL and Al Qaeda needed to be dealt with. Yes October 2000, even before Bush was elected.

A Strategy's Cautious Evolution
Before Sept. 11, the Bush Anti-Terror Effort Was Mostly Ambition (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A8734-2002Jan19&notFound=true)

Anyways, your comment is nothing but a straw argument. Bush and parts of his team were only there for 8 months. And many positions were not filled because the dems were playing politics and wouldn't provide confirmation.

[TALOS]

All bascially ignored... The left wing way to do things ?
You ever hear of Joseph Stalin? :cantbeli:
Bush also ignored UBL... untill Sept.11 that is, so I take it that must be the right wing way to do things: wait untill something catastophic happens and then try to deal with it? Suposedly Condoleeza Rice didnt even know who Usama Bin Laden was before her job as National Security Advisor. If Bush was so worried about UBL why did he nominate a Cold War expert for National Security Advisor? BTW she is also on the Board of Directors of Mobile. :lol:
what the hell does joeseph stalin have to do with this?

Clinton was offered UBL , bush wasnt, Clinton just had to commit, if Bush had been offered UBL he MAY have acted, we will never know, he wasnt offered like clinton was.

[OB Kenobi]

Bill Clinton lied about a blow job and an impeachment trial was launched.. George Bush lies about an important matter of national security and national prestige and a matter of the abuse of international law....... IMPEECH GEORGE BUSH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Don't get me started about Bu$h, it's a hopeless case. We're just going to have to put up with him until Kerry is elected in November. He's got too many buddies in the Supreme Court and Congress for impeachment to pass, and his supporters are willing to follow him off a cliff... and take the rest of us with them, by force if necessary.

Thank God these torture photos came out, this is only the tip of the iceberg. When Kerry is president, we might actually be able to get some honest investigations going without the White House and Pentagon stonewalling all of them.

Salem Bin Laden bailed out Bu$h's failing Arbusto oil company once, he later died in a plane "crash" in Texas. How is it that the Bu$h family always winds up being in the middle of all this "terror"? Why were they doing business with the Bin Laden family for over two decades? 9/11 and Iraq might have very well both been personal vendettas by these megalomaniacal familes the way this is all tied together. Bin Laden & Bu$h, Saddam & Bu$h's dad. It's like they're playing games with each other, for lots of $$$.

[chauncy republicans]

You need to do a little more research before opening your trap. Talk radio had been playing a radio interview that Rice gave in Detroit back in October 2000 addressing how OBL and Al Qaeda needed to be dealt with. Yes October 2000, even before Bush was elected.
O.K. so maybe she knew his name and what he was about, but her specialty is Cold-War strategy. I would think George W and all of his infinate wisdom would have hired someone with a little bit more counter-terrorism knowledge, like maybe Sandy Berger.

[Kilgor]

Here is another little bit of info.

OBL was on the FBI's top ten most wanted list BEFORE 9/11

And at No.1 position.

[chauncy republicans]

Here is another little bit of info.

OBL was on the FBI's top ten most wanted list BEFORE 9/11

And at No.1 position.
No **** :cantbeli:

[Gringo]

he didn't lie, he just didn't tell the truth.

rofl rofl rofl

[Tane Angle]

Newflash, folks. No US President in history has made a serious effort to fight terrorism. I'm saying that from experience.

For every anti-Clinton remark like "He should have known after the Cole was hit," I say Reagan should have known after the American Embassy, Beirut was bombed. For every "we should have relatiated after the Khobar Towers was bombed," I ask where was the retaliation for the attack on the US Marine Barracks in Beirut?

For every comment about "We should have done something to help Daniel Pearl," I ask why we didn't do anything to help the hostages in Lebanon. Ever hear of Bill Buckley? He had a pretty harsh last few years, and death.

No body has seriously fought terrorism, it's that simple. We even built a shiny CT force, gave it a nice name, but we haven't used it many times when we should have.

Even Bush today has seriously screwed up, particularly in somewhat abandoning Afghanistan and making us sitting ducks in Iraq. By invading Iraq, we made it look like the terrorists were right about saying "oh the Americans want to take over, the Americans want to take over!"

This isn't excusing Clinton, it's blaming the lot of them. They should have listened to **** Clarke, they should have listened to pretty much every JSOC and CTC head, they should have listened. Some people and **** Clarke may butt heads, but he's been undeniably right, but still unheeded.

Have a good one, and just some thoughts...

[Old300]

obd: First of all, President Bush said no such thing:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/05/20040506-9.html

In that transcript, he says that General Kimmitt released the torture investigation information to "the whole world" months ago. He doesn't say anything like what you attributed to him.

So Bush didn't lie. And if he didn't lie, he couldn't have committed perjury. But even if he had lied, it wouldn't have been perjury, because to be guilty of that crime, you have to lie under oath. Bush wasn't under oath and he didn't lie.

Edit: and just to be clear, Bill Clinton did commit perjury. He lied in a deposition for a federal ****** harrassment suit. Whether you think that rises to the level of an impeachable offense or not, he did commit a federal crime.

[nerdman]

Thank God these torture photos came out, this is only the tip of the iceberg. When Kerry is president, we might actually be able to get some honest investigations going without the White House and Pentagon stonewalling all of them.

While I probably will vote for John Kerry, don't think that when/if he is elected all of the Bush "lies" will be exposed. Things will change but there won’t be some kind of revolution. John Kerry isn't the liberal savior. Thank God.

If Kerry is elected, he will need both houses of congress to have the power George Bush has.

[Argyll]

I locked this earlier for some of the comments posted here,I see Tane opened it again,so I'll be watching this one closely

[cqbrdy]

not to start a flame war
but this is a true statement
most of the terrorists came from canada to do 9/11

so i dont think canadians should say anything bad about our country
since their gov't let the bastads stay there and have a good time
b4 coming down to our country to crash planes, kinda like a last meal in canada b4 dying in the US.

[HELEX]

not to start a flame war
but this is a true statement
most of the terrorists came from canada to do 9/11

so i dont think canadians should say anything bad about our country
since their gov't let the bastads stay there and have a good time
b4 coming down to our country to crash planes, kinda like a last meal in canada b4 dying in the US.

So whats your Problem? They werent under suspicion in Canada, USA and Europe. They were normal students, what should have made them suspect???

[cqbrdy]

your a friggin idiot :backhand:

i get it now,
they were ok guys in canada, but once they crossed the border, automaticly, they morphed into high jackers and the canadian gov't wasnt the wiser????

sorry guys but this mark is really getting annoying
and i didnt want to start an argument.

[Argyll]

not to start a flame war
but this is a true statement
most of the terrorists came from canada to do 9/11

so i dont think canadians should say anything bad about our country
since their gov't let the bastads stay there and have a good time
b4 coming down to our country to crash planes, kinda like a last meal in canada b4 dying in the US.

So whats your Problem? They werent under suspicion in Canada, USA and Europe. They were normal students, what should have made them suspect???


What's your problem? How many times have you been warned about flaming?

[cqbrdy]

all i wanted to point out was the terrorists came from canada.
their gov't should of known they were there.

[Argyll]

Not directed at you John ;)

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

all i wanted to point out was the terrorists came from canada.
their gov't should of known they were there.
If the combined might of the FBI, CIA and NSA did not know that terrorists were on a mission in the US then what chance did Canada have. :roll:

[5jumpchump]

But Bill Clinton lied UNDEROATH

Bush was not underoath at the time

lol BINGO ! rofl

[5jumpchump]

Bush, in a rose garden speech after his meeting with the King of Jordan, responded to questions about the torture pictures of Iraqi prisoners by saying "The first time I heard about this was on CNN. It is disgusting"... Now it emerges that this was a bald face lie to the American people and that Bush and his administration did know about the prisoner abuse and had already launched over 20 investigations............Bush next back peddeled and said there were months old investigations into the matter.........

Source: Every single major news service in American covered Bush's rose garden statement to the American people when news of this broke and he flat out lied and said "The first time I heard of this was when the story broke on CNN".........

George W. Bush is a liar...... He knew full well what was going on and he tried to lie in his inititial response as a way of shirking any responsibility.............

Bill Clinton lied about a blow job and an impeachment trial was launched.. George Bush lies about an important matter of national security and national prestige and a matter of the abuse of international law....... IMPEECH GEORGE BUSH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I've got just one thing to add to this . I don't care rofl

[cqbrdy]

cia/fbi/nsa, knew they were going to attack the US, but when and where was the question. i would also think, that canada being so close to us, would also have the same info about these guys as we do, since alot of them hang out up there, so said by cia/fbi/nsa. it was brought up when we tracked their way into the our country that they came from canada and had dealings with friends up there.

thanx calum, :P

[Trident-za]

OK, I've no real interest in the issue of impeachment or whether Canada is now responsible for 9/11 ( :roll: ) or any other political agenda. I am, however, baffled by this "well, he wasn't under oath so it's OK to lie" argument. This just screws with my idea of moral values. I realize that all politicians lie at some point or another, but whenever a politician IS caught out lying - thats it for me, I've no further interest in what that person has to say, under oath or otherwise.

How do you people live your lives day to day ? Everyone you interact with is NOT under oath, so it's OK to be lied to etc? Screw that... you lie to me, I'll never trust you again. I'm not religious, but this to me is just common moral values, no excuses.

[cqbrdy]

it wasnt an agenda,
its just a reminder that some people seem to forget.

[Argyll]

A lie is a lie unfortunatley.
the definition of a lie is up for debate tho ;)

[Old300]

Trident-za, not only did he not lie under oath (the definition of "perjury"), he didn't lie at all. He never said that he learned of the torture on CNN. I posted a link to a transcript of the press conference and not only does he not say what Obd claimed he said, he said the exact opposite (i.e., that General Kimmit had released information about the torture "to the world" months ago).

Bush may or may not be a good President (I think he's good), he may or not be stupid (I think he's intelligent), and he may or may not be incompetent (I think he's competent). But I do know that no one has demonstrated that the President has lied. About anything.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

cia/fbi/nsa, knew they were going to attack the US, but when and where was the question. i would also think, that canada being so close to us, would also have the same info about these guys as we do, since alot of them hang out up there, so said by cia/fbi/nsa. it was brought up when we tracked their way into the our country that they came from canada and had dealings with friends up there.

thanx calum, :P
Your statement goes against the grain of common thought. Pre-9/11 there was only speculation that Al-Q or related group may attack again but there was no hard evidence that an attack was even in the planning stages, although investigations into intelligence failures highlighted poor communications between both the CIA and the FBI they were at no time slapped down for lack of action on suspected terrorist activity. I am still at a loss as how you have apportioned some of the blame of the events on 9/11 to Canada.

[Trident-za]

A lie is a lie unfortunatley.
the definition of a lie is up for debate tho ;)

Yeah, agreed Argyll. I have no idea if the man lied or not, I'm reacting on principle to the "well, he wasn't under oath" argument used several times in this thread. Whether Bush lied or not is irrelevant to my post. You lie to me, I won't trust you again - no matter who you are....

Edit: OK, upon reflection, this statement is a bit harsh: you can lie to me if it's a practical joke on me, or to do with suprise purchases of vast quantities of beer :)

Edit again: Old300, just read your post. Good points, I'll take your word for it. See my comments in this post though, I was NOT trying to imply that Bush was lying.....

[SFontaine]

not to start a flame war
but this is a true statement
most of the terrorists came from canada to do 9/11

so i dont think canadians should say anything bad about our country
since their gov't let the bastads stay there and have a good time
b4 coming down to our country to crash planes, kinda like a last meal in canada b4 dying in the US.

3 or so came from Canada. The rest came from Germany and England.

[Old300]

Trident-za: OK, got it.

One small point, though. I don't think all politicians lie. In fact, I think that very few do (at least in their public duties). That's because doing so is so politically dangerous (as well just plain wrong). Seriously, everyone, think about it: how many examples, out of the millions of words that they utter every day, can you come up with of politicians actually lying? Not failing to do something that they'd said they'd do, but wilfully misrepresenting what they knew to be the truth? For the purposes of this exercise, confine your examples to Anglo-Saxon countries.

I can think of Richard Nixon, James Traficant, and Bob Toricelli, but that's it. I'm sure that there are others, but however many there are, it's probably fewer than you'd think.

My point is that we use the word "lie" much too frequently. I have some experience with them and, in my opinion at least, the people we elect are better than the vast majority of the people they govern.

[Trident-za]

Old300, on the issue of "not all politicians lie", all I can say is:

You don't live in Africa, mate :)

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Ok lets inject a little fun into this thread.
http://www.danzigercartoons.com/img/2004/dancart2006.jpg
:lol:

[Old300]

Trident-za, I'll take your word for it. I'm heading to Namibia in a few weeks for a little hunting and I have to say that my first taste of sub-Saharan governance - getting licenses and such - has been sweet indeed. But I'll keep a little baksheesh handy just in case.

[cqbrdy]

Your statement goes against the grain of common thought. Pre-9/11 there was only speculation that Al-Q or related group may attack again but there was no hard evidence that an attack was even in the planning stages,dude, have u not been seeing the same news coverage of the 911 hearings? and what countries common thought?

I am still at a loss as how you have apportioned some of the blame of the events on 9/11 to Canadare-read my post, here, i'll highlight it for you and put it in a more concise manner.

i would also think, that canada being so close to us, would also have the same info about these guys as we do, it was brought up when we tracked their way into our country that they came from canada. i wasnt putting blame on them i only said some people forget that they came from canada, man, can these people read at all :cantbeli:


they were at no time slapped down for lack of action on suspected terrorist activity they werent? and being from scotland u know this? :cantbeli: ask'm if they have any butt left from the ass-chewin they got during the hearings. who is this guy??????????

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

i would also think, that canada being so close to us, would also have the same info about these guys as we do
This is the part I cannot get my head round, how in earth did you jump to this conclusion.

not to start a flame war
Who are you trying to fool.

[catdat]

I don't know why we're back to pre-911. We are way off topic unless you want us to believe that all these so called lies started before 911. Preposterous!


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