Alexander the Great

[Rantanplan]

Gladiator: I don't liked it

Troy: This will be a nice Movie

Alexander the Great: This Movie gona Rock! (If not, some Motherfvcker gona pay!)

Note the historically correct costumes!

http://img1.photobucket.com/albums/v40/Rantanplan/Alexander/alex2_l.jpg

Light Infantry and Phalangites?

http://img1.photobucket.com/albums/v40/Rantanplan/Alexander/alex43_l.jpg

Colin Farrell as Alexander? Why not! Better then Leonardo De Caprio!

http://img1.photobucket.com/albums/v40/Rantanplan/Alexander/alex40_l.jpg

Badass

http://img1.photobucket.com/albums/v40/Rantanplan/Alexander/alex31_l.jpg

I'd hit it

http://img1.photobucket.com/albums/v40/Rantanplan/Alexander/alex38_l.jpg

woot

Here the Movie Site (http://www.alexander-the-great.co.uk/)

[OB Kenobi]

Ridley Scott is making a movie about the Crusades, where Orlando Bloom is going to fight against the Crusaders in Jerusalem. Now THAT is going to be good. That might actually have some intellectual content to it rather than just Hollywood shamelessly trying to capitalize on Gladiator (which Ridley Scott made) and Lord of the Rings (big, over-produced CGI battles).

http://filmforce.ign.com/articles/452/452481p1.html

You know in the "old days" they used to call these movies "sword and sandal" movies? During the 50s and 60s Hollywood was saturated with them, they must be rediscovering that whole gimmick. Historical content? If you think these movies are "realistic", you'll believe anything. Especially Troy. Historians have come to the conclusion that Troy was tiny, and that these "thousands" of troops were more likely just a few hundred at most.

[fdt]

Alexander the Great: This Movie gona Rock! (If not, some Motherfvcker gona pay!)

Note the historically correct costumes!

Historically correct? Which part? Italeri figurines are more historically correct :lol: . Ohhhh OK....... one thing is realistic... no stirrups.

Iron cuirass with gold detail from the Tomb of Philip at Vergina, 4th century BC, Thessaloniki, Archaeological Museum. (Why Alexander on pic wears the travelling outfit instead of batlle one?)

http://www.macedonian-heritage.gr/HellenicMacedonia/media/original/b12731a.jpg

Gilded greaves
Gilded bronze greaves from the Tomb of Philip at Vergina, 4th century BC, Thessaloniki, Archaeological Museum.

http://www.macedonian-heritage.gr/HellenicMacedonia/media/original/b12731b.jpg

Macedonian helmet from the Tomb of Philip
Iron Macedonian helmet from the Tomb of Philip, third quarter of 4th century BC, Thessaloniki, Archaeological Museum. (cavalry type helmet. Why the Alexander's companion wears the Roman centurion type helmet? Budget cuts? Cleopatra surplus?)

http://www.macedonian-heritage.gr/HellenicMacedonia/media/original/d15e.jpg

Sword from the Tomb of Philip
Large iron sword from the Tomb of Philip, fourth quarter of 4th century BC, Thessaloniki, Archaeological Museum. (look at the butcher machette Alexander holds :D )

http://www.macedonian-heritage.gr/HellenicMacedonia/media/original/d15f.jpg

Gold-and-ivory shield (ceremonial but of cavalry type).
Gold-and-ivory 'ceremonial' shield with male and female device on the outer side, from the Tomb of Philip at Vergina, third quarter of 4th century BC, Thessaloniki, Archaeological Museum. (where did the cavalrymen lost their shields :D )

http://www.macedonian-heritage.gr/HellenicMacedonia/media/original/b1243b.jpg

Macedonian helmet
Macedonian helmet worn by infantrymen of the Macedonian army, from Vitsa, 4th century BC, Ioannina, Archaeological Museum.

http://www.macedonian-heritage.gr/HellenicMacedonia/media/original/a153a.jpg

[Rantanplan]

Historically correct? Which part? Italeri figurines are more . Ohhhh OK....... one thing is realistic... no stirrups.

The ancient Figures of Italerie are usualy not historically correct. And Btw. Italery produces no own Alexandrian/hellenistic Figures.



Iron cuirass with gold detail from the Tomb of Philip at Vergina, 4th century BC, Thessaloniki, Archaeological Museum. (Why Alexander on pic wears the travelling outfit instead of batlle one?)

This kind of iron armor is a very untypical item of an anciant warrior. The faktum that it was found in a (pseudo) kings grave shows very well that it was most likely a ceremonial item. Alexander himself is usualy pictured with a traditionel greek leather cuirass wich was worn in battle by hundred of thousand of greek, persian, macedonian, carthagian...warriors.

Here an example of Alexander in leather armor.

http://www.n-tv.de/images/200111/2838311_alexander_mosaik_pompei.jpg

Part of the Alexander Mosaik from Pompeji now in the archeological museum of Neapel. This Mosik is a copy of a hellenistic painting.


Gilded greaves
Gilded bronze greaves from the Tomb of Philip at Vergina, 4th century BC, Thessaloniki, Archaeological Museum.

Jep, a very common item of Hoplites and phalangites. Whats the deal with it?


Macedonian helmet from the Tomb of Philip
Iron Macedonian helmet from the Tomb of Philip, third quarter of 4th century BC, Thessaloniki, Archaeological Museum. (cavalry type helmet. Why the Alexander's companion wears the Roman centurion type helmet? Budget cuts? Cleopatra surplus?)

Well, its one of many variations of an attic style helmet (not macedonian) . It was very common in the greek world but macedonian cavalry preferd beotian and thessalian helmets. Alexander himself wore generelly a unique helmet. A amalgam of the lion helmet of Hercules and the horns of the god Ammon. In some parts of the world he is known as "the horned one" (i.e. Afghanistan). Look closer on the pics and you will see that this is a pretty logical reconstuction of this Helmet.

Btw: Roman centurion type helmets looked more like this.

http://www.medieval-weaponry.com/media/ah3815.jpg


Sword from the Tomb of Philip
Large iron sword from the Tomb of Philip, fourth quarter of 4th century BC, Thessaloniki, Archaeological Museum. (look at the butcher machette Alexander holds)

Ceremonial for sure. Alex is holding a typical greek sword (Machaera).

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/3199/s31.jpg


Gold-and-ivory shield (ceremonial but of cavalry type).
Gold-and-ivory 'ceremonial' shield with male and female device on the outer side, from the Tomb of Philip at Vergina, third quarter of 4th century BC, Thessaloniki, Archaeological Museum. (where did the cavalrymen lost their shields)

1. Ceromonial again. 2. Greeks, Macedonians,....... and any other hellenistic army never used cavalry shield until Pyrrhos introdiced them in 282+.


Macedonian helmet
Macedonian helmet worn by infantrymen of the Macedonian army, from Vitsa, 4th century BC, Ioannina, Archaeological Museum.

Indeed. The Phrygian was one of the main helmets of a macedonian/hellenistic army (besides Thracian, Attic, Chalcidian helmets and of course the Pilos). take a closer at the pics and the site. You will see that many of the soldiers wears Phrygian helmets. The only thing that is wrong about the helmets is that the soldiers of this time painted their helmets in different colors (light blue, red, violet..). That looks pretty gay so I can live with this error.


Have a good one.

[mustamato]

Iron cuirass with gold detail from the Tomb of Philip at Vergina, 4th century BC, Thessaloniki, Archaeological Museum. (Why Alexander on pic wears the travelling outfit instead of batlle one?)

http://www.macedonian-heritage.gr/HellenicMacedonia/media/original/b12731a.jpg

I doubt that he had a cuirass in battle. Modern experiments has shown that the bronze
could be pierced rather easily with the blow of a sword. And it´s not a secret that the
Greeks (and well, Macedonians) used leather armour. The bronze cuirasses probably
served a ceremonial purpose more than anything else. Later the Romans used them
because the forging technology of those days wasn´t advanced enough to make
cuirsasses with muscles and so forth of iron, this wasn´t possible until the 16th
century.

And btw I have seen the trailer and feel that the movie will probably suck goat.cx

[Rantanplan]

Where did you saw the trailer?

[mustamato]

Where did you saw the trailer?

:oops:

Sorry, it was from Troy with Brad Pitt. Hm, almost the same class as Colin Farell :roll:

[Rantanplan]

Btw: I think its iron not bronze.

[Rantanplan]

Where did you saw the trailer?

:oops:

Sorry, it was from Troy with Brad Pitt. Hm, almost the same class as Colin Farell :roll:

Well, Troy is a fantasy action movie. Its good popcorn cinema. Nothing more.

[Khabbi]

Hope they dont mess it up , Alexander's life is realy interesting. I think theres another movie coming out with leonardo di crapio ?

Discovery has had alot of good shows about Alexander too

[Rantanplan]

I think the one with di Caprio will be cancelled.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0327405/

[Abolith]

I think the one with di Caprio will be cancelled.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0327405/


We can only hope.

[Rantanplan]

Nicole Kidman as Olympias. Hmm... I'd hit it.

[Javehn]

Who cares about Nikol Kidman ?? Angeline Julie , dude !!!! woot woot

[Tengu]

Nicole Kidman as Olympias. Hmm... I'd hit it.

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[Rantanplan]

:slap:

Edit: Needs somebody an new avartar?

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:slap:

Edit: Needs somebody an new avartar?

http://img1.photobucket.com/albums/v40/Rantanplan/Bob2.jpg

rofl

[fdt]

This kind of iron armor is a very untypical item of an anciant warrior. The faktum that it was found in a (pseudo) kings grave shows very well that it was most likely a ceremonial item. Alexander himself is usualy pictured with a traditionel greek leather cuirass wich was worn in battle by hundred of thousand of greek, persian, macedonian, carthagian...warriors.

Alexander is usually pictured in tunic on the horse or... naked....look at the contemporary Sidon Sarcophagus... do these prove smth? "Traditional leather" cuirass... pls read the Peter Green's description of the battle of Granicus, esp. duel between Alexander and Mitridatis. Mitridatis has broken Alexander's shield and Alex has broken his spear at Mitridatis's armor.... leather won't break spear... BTW Gentlemen what makes You think that the epoch's arms metallurgy was based on bronze...?? Age of Iron begun in Greece about XII-X century BC... they knew steel too.

Hetairoi were heavy cavalry and were used accordingly... Look at their performance at Cheronea or Gaugamela... they were used to break attack on the heavy infantry (that had spears too... not so long as sarissai, but 3m long anyway). Without any "metal" protection they would be slaughtered by spears.


Here an example of Alexander in leather armor.

http://www.n-tv.de/images/200111/2838311_alexander_mosaik_pompei.jpg

Part of the Alexander Mosaik from Pompeji now in the archeological museum of Neapel. This Mosik is a copy of a hellenistic painting.

First it's not so sure what battle is pictured here Issus or Gaugamela. Second: it is supposed to be a copy of hellenistic painting... well. Art of the epoch was not to depict real looks and deeds but to hail the rulers... I'd better stick to the descriptions of scriptors (Curtius and Diodor) than Roman mosaics that are copies of paintings that were certainly painted by armament specialists... :D


Macedonian helmet from the Tomb of Philip
Iron Macedonian helmet from the Tomb of Philip, third quarter of 4th century BC, Thessaloniki, Archaeological Museum. (cavalry type helmet. Why the Alexander's companion wears the Roman centurion type helmet? Budget cuts? Cleopatra surplus?)


Well, its one of many variations of an attic style helmet (not macedonian) . It was very common in the greek world but macedonian cavalry preferd beotian and thessalian helmets. Alexander himself wore generelly a unique helmet. A amalgam of the lion helmet of Hercules and the horns of the god Ammon. In some parts of the world he is known as "the horned one" (i.e. Afghanistan). Look closer on the pics and you will see that this is a pretty logical reconstuction of this Helmet.
It's not reconstruction but guess... well worked, but still guess.

Alexander would be a fool if wore the things/helmets You depict in battle... According to the scriptors, only once(!) he wore a helmet different than his companions. It was at Granicus, where he wanted to fool Persians of his tactics and troops deployment. His presence was to be visible so he wore an unusually visible helmet. Only this time! Other battles he was dressed as his hetairoi as he used to fight personally with them... Any extravaganza in such circumstances would be a suicide (look how close to death he was at Granicus when he wanted to show up...).


Sword from the Tomb of Philip
Large iron sword from the Tomb of Philip, fourth quarter of 4th century BC, Thessaloniki, Archaeological Museum. (look at the butcher machette Alexander holds)

Ceremonial for sure. (What makes ou so sure? Macedonians were harsh warriors not the Greek sissies. They were buried with real weapons not toys) Alex is holding a typical greek sword (Machaera).

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You say typical. I say typical for who? What period? What part of the Hellenic World? Bactria, Sicily or maybe Indian Sathrapy? (it looks alike) Was it a cavalry weapon? What cavalry used it? Was it Greek or Hellenistic?


Gold-and-ivory shield (ceremonial but of cavalry type).
Gold-and-ivory 'ceremonial' shield with male and female device on the outer side, from the Tomb of Philip at Vergina, third quarter of 4th century BC, Thessaloniki, Archaeological Museum. (where did the cavalrymen lost their shields)

1. Ceromonial again.

(Ceremonial because.... well crafted. Battle one was similar but less sofisticated in crafting).


2. Greeks, Macedonians,....... and any other hellenistic army never used cavalry shield until Pyrrhos introdiced them in 282+.

Wrong. Look up at the battle of Granicus description.