PPSh 41 Russian WW2 submashine gun.

[sergey31]

Hands down the most effective, reliable and easy to maintain firearm in WW2. Also one of the highest rate of fire as well.

Video. http://www.continet.com/montyipsc/ppshmgp.MPG
Video 2.http://www.continet.com/montyipsc/ppshmgp2.MPG
video 3.http://www.continet.com/montyipsc/ppshmgp3.mpeg
http://www.continet.com/montyipsc/PPSh.gif
http://www.continet.com/montyipsc/shpagin-41-2.gif
http://www.continet.com/montyipsc/poster56.gif
http://www.a-human-right.com/ppsh/s_burpgun.jpg
http://www.a-human-right.com/ppsh/2drums.jpg
http://www.a-human-right.com/ppsh/bolt.jpg
http://www.a-human-right.com/ppsh/diag.jpg
http://www.a-human-right.com/ppsh/muzzle.jpg
http://www.a-human-right.com/ppsh/unloaded.jpg
http://www.a-human-right.com/ppsh/receiver.jpg
http://www.a-human-right.com/ppsh/ppsh.jpg
http://www.continet.com/ppsh/ruski1.jpg
http://www.continet.com/ppsh/ruski22.jpg
http://www.continet.com/ppsh/ppshfabrik.jpg
http://www.continet.com/ppsh/pp-4.jpg
http://www.continet.com/ppsh/pp-5.jpg
http://www.continet.com/ppsh/Untitled-2.jpg
http://www.continet.com/ppsh/pphelmet2.jpg
http://www.continet.com/ppsh/scouts.jpg
http://www.continet.com/ppsh/cavalry.jpg
http://www.continet.com/ppsh/Maxim1910.jpg
http://www.continet.com/ppsh/T20.jpeg
http://www.continet.com/ppsh/stalingrad.jpg
http://www.continet.com/ppsh/winter.jpg
http://www.continet.com/ppsh/mgnppsh.jpg
Taliban rofl
http://www.continet.com/ppsh/ppsh41x.jpg
http://www.continet.com/ppsh/ppshcutaway.jpg
http://www.continet.com/ppsh/tankrider.jpg
http://www.continet.com/ppsh/ppshkampf.jpg
http://www.continet.com/ppsh/winterppshmag2.jpg
http://www.continet.com/ppsh/ppsh1.jpg
http://www.continet.com/ppsh/ppshfence.jpg
http://www.continet.com/ppsh/PPSh-41Early.jpg

Night vison scope on PPSh 41
http://www.continet.com/montyipsc/Ppsh-ir.jpg

[n.ignomo]

GP !

[GrimmyRX]

You know, if this was a post about a Chinese weapon that looked like that, you'd get: "OMG! They copied the TOMMY GUN!"

But it's not, so I shall say: "Niice!"

rofl

[sergey31]

You know, if this was a post about a Chinese weapon that looked like that, you'd get: "OMG! They copied the TOMMY GUN!"

But it's not, so I shall say: "Niice!"

rofl

Yah but, anyone knows that PPSh 41 and Tommy gun have nothing in common. Only a housewife who knows nothing about guns could possible make a statement like that...... So, anyone who can or would say that should learn a little about firearm before posting on this site.

[Viktorin]

Great post, very high quality photos! woot

[Kekkonen]

You know, if this was a post about a Chinese weapon that looked like that, you'd get: "OMG! They copied the TOMMY GUN!"

But it's not, so I shall say: "Niice!"

rofl

PPSh was rather a second-generation simplified version of the PPD, which in turn was
highly influenced by Aimo Lahti´s Suomi SMG. It was the usage of the KP31 Suomi by
the Finns during the Winter War that lead the Soviets to start fielding SMG´s in large
numbers. But by the time Operation Barbarossa started it was just the squad leaders in
a normal squad that had it.

http://ankkurinvarsi.com/jaeger/kp_Suomi_1.jpg
Note similarity between KP31 Suomi and...

http://ankkurinvarsi.com/jaeger/kp_PPD40.jpg
...PPD, here a late (1940) version

[b.scheller]

great pics...i posted some ppsh pics a while ago...i'll find the thread and repost it here ;)

[RomanS]

PPSH looks sexier ;)

[bas]

My PPSh-41

Russian manufactured in 1944 :D

http://www.gunpics.net/russian/ppsh41/ppsh4123.JPG

http://www.gunpics.net/russian/ppsh41/ppsh4121.JPG

Open Magazine:
http://www.gunpics.net/russian/ppsh41/ppsh4114.JPG

Magazine spring wound up:
http://www.gunpics.net/russian/ppsh41/ppsh4115.JPG

71 Rounds:
http://www.gunpics.net/russian/ppsh41/ppsh4116.JPG

http://www.gunpics.net/russian/ppsh41/ppsh417.JPG

http://www.gunpics.net/russian/ppsh41/ppsh418.JPG

http://www.gunpics.net/russian/ppsh41/ppsh4110.JPG

[Marmot1]

I found a PPSH round in my yard couple years ago during sand excavation... (only one round and two empty cases... )very strange cuz there weren't any fights on this terrain during WW2..

[GrimmyRX]

You know, if this was a post about a Chinese weapon that looked like that, you'd get: "OMG! They copied the TOMMY GUN!"

But it's not, so I shall say: "Niice!"

rofl

Yah but, anyone knows that PPSh 41 and Tommy gun have nothing in common. Only a housewife who knows nothing about guns could possible make a statement like that...... So, anyone who can or would say that should learn a little about firearm before posting on this site.

That may be true (I don't actually know much about the PPSh, and I'm fairly good with knowlage and guns, so, perhaps more than just a "house wife that knows nothing" could make that mistake, eh? ^_^ ) but, really, you should take note of the slightly ironic, fairly joking tone of my post.

Ie: the QBZ-95 looks nothing like the FAMAS or the Styr AUG, even TO a housewife, but still you get people yelling OMG! they ripped off FAMAS!

I'm glad, though, that you arn't one of them, :)

But perhaps my diatribe should be placed elsewhere, lol,

*shrug* it was, after all, just a joke, eh? :hug:

In anycase, it is a rather nice looking weapon that I wouldn't want pointing in my direction, ^_^

[sergey31]

bas You lucky SOB, That is noce! I wish I could legaly own one. You should refinish that stock, it would still be original.[/b]

[bas]

bas You lucky SOB, That is noce! I wish I could legaly own one. You should refinish that stock, it would still be original.[/b]

Thanks, was the first SMG I brought. The stock is rough, but I think it adds to the character so I'll keep it like that.

[Scottie]

Yay!!! I Love that gun..and I got to hold it once :D woot

[OldRecon]

Interesting post with good pics and 1 new vid I haven't seen before.
As for the weapon itself, I've read elswhere that the buffer at the end of the bolt carrier guide rod was made of leather. First time I've been able to see that for myself through the excellent pics of the internal workings of the gun displayed here.
THX

[Seoulstriker]

You forgot one:

http://netfiles.uiuc.edu/pzavisla/hostedmilitaryimages/foreign%20terrorist.jpg

;)

[Hawk of prairie]

great pics :hug:

[Durandal]

You know, if this was a post about a Chinese weapon that looked like that, you'd get: "OMG! They copied the TOMMY GUN!"

No, we would say: "OMG! They copied the PPSh!"

If you are going to criticize us for criticizing, then get it right. ;)

[GrimmyRX]

You know, if this was a post about a Chinese weapon that looked like that, you'd get: "OMG! They copied the TOMMY GUN!"

No, we would say: "OMG! They copied the PPSh!"

If you are going to criticize us for criticizing, then get it right. ;)

lol, fine fine, *cough* "OMG! They copied the PPSh!"

:hug:

[RomanS]

Bas
where are you from, and what are the gun laws there?

To my understanding this one is a tough nut to find in the states. In either config semi or fullauto. You still have to deal with an SBR license, and full auto stamp.

[aartamen]

I saw one at a PA gun show. You could find anything at a PA guns show some years ago. They went a little bit downhill since. I picked it up and it was extremely heavy for beng a short SMG. It's a bit heavier than an SKS or an Enfield. I am nearly certain the magazine was not loaded. What idiot would put up a loaded firearm at a show? The thing weighs about 10 pounds depending on whether the mag is in and loade.

[RomanS]

I've shot one couple of years ago. The cyclic rate is insane. Its very accurate too. Probably one of the best sub-guns I've fired. Next to BIZON.

[Dima-RussianArms]

The thing weighs about 10 pounds depending on whether the mag is in and loade.
8 pounds unloaded & 12 pounds with the 71 round drum


PPD-34/38
Designed by Fedor Degtyarov, the PPD is a near direct copy of the German Bergmann MP28, though it utilized the large ammunition drum of the Finnish M31 Suomi. An improved version, the PPD-40 was developed.


PPSh-41
Designed by Georgii Shpagin, the PPSh-41 was one of the most mass produced weapons of WWII. Finding that that PPD was too expensive and time consuming to build, the PPSh was designed as an inexpensive alternate. One of the key things that made this gun cheaper was that there were no screws or bolts on it, all metal parts were stamped.

The PPSh not only was better from a manufacturing point of view, it turned out be superior in other areas as well. The PPSh had a phenomenal rate of fire, around 900 RPM (it utilized a crude compensator to lessen muzzle climb), as well as an outstanding reputation for durability and low maintenance. It was even thought to be somewhat more accurate than its foreign counterparts. Over 6 million of these weapons were produced by wars end. Both the reputation and availability of this weapon led to entire divisions equipped with it.

Though 35-round magazines were available upon the advent of the PPS, most infantry men kept their drum as the initial load out, preferring the high ammo reserve. The standard equipment seems to have been the one drum and 5 or 6 magazines. Prior to the usage of magazines, it appears they would have been equipped with two drums.

The Germans themselves were very impressed by the weapon, and would use them as often as they captured them. Due to the 7.62x25mm and 9mm Parabellum cartridges sharing similar dimensions, only a 9mm barrel and a magazine-well adapter was needed to convert the PPSh-41 to fire from MP38/40 32-round magazines. The Wehrmacht officially adopted the converted PPSh-41 as the MP717(r).

The few drawbacks to this weapon were both the difficulty of reloading and tendency of the drums to jam (something that the magazines solved), and that dropping the weapon could lead to an accidental discharge.

PPS-43
Designed by Aleksei Sudaev and first issued during the Siege of Leningrad, it was a result of further simplification of the PPSh-41, and it is often considered the best submachine gun of the second World War.

Initially made as the PPS-42, it was soon improved and resulted in the PPS-43. The use of a folding stock allowed the weapon to shave nearly 20 cm of off its length, going from 82 cm to 62 cm. This compactness made it ideal for tank crews, paratroopers, and recon units.

Finding too many flaws with the heavy, bulky ammunition drum, the PPS-42 was designed to utilize a 35-round magazine. This magazine was also backwards compatible with the PPSh. The PPS could not utilize the drum.

While the weapon had a slightly slower firing rate of 700 RPM, it more than made up for this with its lighter weight, small size and greater ease of manufacture. About 500,000 were made.

Captured PPS-43s were used by the Germans as the MP719(r). Unlike the MP717(r), they were not converted to fire 9 mm.

[bas]

Bas
where are you from, and what are the gun laws there?

To my understanding this one is a tough nut to find in the states. In either config semi or fullauto. You still have to deal with an SBR license, and full auto stamp.

New Zealand, and all up the laws are pretty good.

[RSK]

What a great weapon!

[Hullebullen]

I remember the germans affectionately gave it the nickname "Balalaika"...

[Freibier]

Great pics and great gun ! woot

[bas]

PPS-43:

As you can see it's seen better days and is missing the bolt, however it is a genuine Russian made one, dated 1945.

http://www.gunpics.net/russian/pps43/pps436.JPG

http://www.gunpics.net/russian/pps43/pps432.JPG

http://www.gunpics.net/russian/pps43/pps435.JPG

(if anyone outside of the US has access to parts for these, please send me a PM).

Cheers

[He219]

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Soviet WWII vintage Tu-34 tank with soldiers dressed as Red Army mechanized infantry on it drive during the military parade at the main street in Kiev Thursday, Oct. 28, 2004.
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KIEV, UKRAINE: Women dressed in uniform carry anty-aitcraft airship WWII times march during a military parade in the Ukrainian capital Kiev 28 October 2004.
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KIEV, UKRAINE: Soldiers dressed in WW II uniforms march during a military parade in Kiev, 28 October 2004.

[aartamen]

I saw a railroad/auto bridge guard once with this in the early 80s, the guard was probably in his early 80s as well. There were armed civilian bridge guards in certain areas of the USSR as well as at other installations. I guess this guys was supposed to singlehandedly prevent the demolition of that bridge by the invading NATO forces or something.

The PPSh barrels were made by cutting a Mosin-Nagant barrel in two.

[Dima-RussianArms]

I saw a railroad/auto bridge guard once with this in the early 80s, the guard was probably in his early 80s as well. There were armed civilian bridge guards in certain areas of the USSR as well as at other installations.
The PPSh barrels were made by cutting a Mosin-Nagant barrel in two.


Civilians standing guard with fully autoamic weapons in the USSR rofl rofl rofl
:cantbeli:

Policeman in the USSR quite frequently were given handguns without ammo.

Forgive me for correcting your "expert" opinion but I think that there were
3 possible scenarios:

1. They were shooting a movie.
2. It was a replica gun (weight, dimensions, etc.) - a toy.
3. You made it up.

http://www.continet.com/montyipsc/ww2ppsh.jpg
Was it him by any chance? :lol:

[sergey31]

I saw a railroad/auto bridge guard once with this in the early 80s, the guard was probably in his early 80s as well. There were armed civilian bridge guards in certain areas of the USSR as well as at other installations.
The PPSh barrels were made by cutting a Mosin-Nagant barrel in two.


1. They were shooting a movie.
2. It was a replica gun (weight, dimensions, etc.) - a toy.
3. You made it up.

http://www.continet.com/montyipsc/ww2ppsh.jpg
Was it him by any chance? :lol:

I say it was #2 :lol:

[patm41]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v64/patm41/BurpGun-3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v64/patm41/BurpGun-2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v64/patm41/BurpGun-1.jpg
Lets not forget the Hungarian PPSH-48 a slightly modified PPSH-41
This one is mine :D

[sergey31]

Lets not forget the Hungarian PPSH-48 a slightly modified PPSH-41
This one is mine :D

Something tells me that it's a dummy gun..... Nevertheless it's good display gun.

[shadower]

And there is Yugoslav verzion to.
http://www.marstar.ca/fullauto/Y-M-49.htm

[Maverick77]

I got one

[Sorbas2000]

My PPSh-41

71 Rounds:
http://www.gunpics.net/russian/ppsh41/ppsh4116.JPG

Sorry, but for me only 70 rounds ;-)

[Argyll]

One in the breach! ;)

[Roger Rabbit]

Could someone tell me the advantages/disadvantages of a drum magazine compared to a "banana"shaped magazine.

[Undo]

Could someone tell me the advantages/disadvantages of a drum magazine compared to a "banana"shaped magazine.

Capacity. Although the Russians are changing that with their new 60rnd "banana" shaped mag.

[Stormy]

:) nice photos and thanks.

http://www.pbase.com/mrclark/rifles_and_machine_guns PPSH41 photos and other guns too

For those who want to try these weapons in the simulation world please check out RED Orchestra mod for UT2k4 it is a must. ;)

http://redorchestramod.gameservers.net/renders/rus_ppsh41.jpg
http://redorchestramod.gameservers.net/renders/rus_ppd40.jpg
http://redorchestramod.gameservers.net/renders/rus_pps43.jpg

http://redorchestramod.gameservers.net/screenshots/exclusive05.jpg

p-)

[bas]

My PPSh-41

71 Rounds:


Sorry, but for me only 70 rounds ;-)

LOL you counted them, :D Then I had to count :(

Yeah you're right. However if you look at the picture, you can still fit an extra round at the top, can't remember why I didn't fit it in for the photo.

[bas]

One in the breach! ;)

Not sure if you are being serious, :) but for those that don't know, the PPSh like most SMG's fires from an open bolt.

So no, you can't have 70 in the mag and one in the chamber.

[aartamen]

Why the heck would I make it up? Anyway it was very near the Western border. Around here somewhere -

http://www.infoukes.com/ua-maps/oblasts/oblast01/a03.jpg

I could not find the little village I stayed in. But you could see the "abroad" from the garden. It was Romania or Hungary.

[Mr.Russian]

Just felt like updating this topic with few extra pics:

That is what Fins did to ppsh-41... re-chambered it to 9mm... perverts :)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v144/Mr.Russian/kp_Ppsh_mod.jpg


Somewhere in hot Africa (pps-43):
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v144/Mr.Russian/40_1_5.jpg

And finally... the ULTIMATE CQC weapon in Iraq:
(was posted recently in "Today's photos")
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v144/Mr.Russian/PPSh_1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v144/Mr.Russian/PPSh_2.jpg

[sergey31]

Awsome! woot
60 years after WW2...... And being used NOW in a war .... Amazing!
That soldier is way to cool.

[Gameholic]

The PPSH-41 was also frequently used by the Vietcong in the 'Nam. Along with their SKS rifles and stuff ;)

[Herrmannek]

http://wolfgang.ihloff.de/gun/kcr-keith-ppsh41.mpeg

[AUDIEM249]

love the pics guys

[SimpleSimon]

Wow. That video really does the SMG justice. The cyclic rate on that thing is crazy.

[Raistlin]

Could someone tell me the advantages/disadvantages of a drum magazine compared to a "banana"shaped magazine.

Capacity. Although the Russians are changing that with their new 60rnd "banana" shaped mag.
This is an advantage. Are there any disadvatages? Reliability?

[Kilgor]

amazing to think while germans were still using bolt action rifles 98's at stalingrad, they had to face the russians using these guns.

no wonder they feared the bombed out urban combat so much.