J.Kuperjanv and Skull with Bones

[J.Kuperjanov-The Hero]

Being part of European Union and allowing troops to wear SS-look alike insignia.

http://www.lostbattalions.com/pix/SSOffM43Hat02.jpg

http://www.mil.ee/~fotek/gallery/pildid/album92/acg.sized.jpg
http://inlinethumb64.webshots.com/9599/2159351960099775287S600x600Q85.jpg

Somebody still think thath Skull and Bones insignia is nazi emblem. This is not right. Who think like this is stuped brainwashed idiot!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Flag_of_Edward_England.svg/150px-Flag_of_Edward_England.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_Edward_England.svg)

The traditional "Jolly Roger" of Piracy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piracy).


ALL IGNORANTS READ THIS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skull_and_crossbones (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skull_and_crossbones)



Julius Kuperjanov - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_Kuperjanov)

Julius Kuperjanov and his battalion

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/et/1/14/Kuperjanov.jpg
Estonian war hero Julius Kuperjanov

http://inlinethumb52.webshots.com/10739/2293545660099775287S600x600Q85.jpg
Kuperianov Battalion stuff.

http://www.mil.ee/im/maavagi/mv_kuperjanov.jpghttp://inlinethumb29.webshots.com/7388/2836000390099775287S600x600Q85.jpg
This is Kuperjanov battalion emblem from year 1918. J.Kuperjanom himself greate this emblem. And flag.

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War Hero J.Kuperjanov during Estonian Liberation War.

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Julius Kuperjanov grave.

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Kuperjanov Battalion today.

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Russian Kornilovs Division insignia.

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Old Brussian husar hat.

http://inlinethumb47.webshots.com/8750/2808067820099775287S600x600Q85.jpg
Espanian Lusitania units emblem.

http://inlinethumb52.webshots.com/7859/2318272470099775287S600x600Q85.jpg
Russian Death Corps during WWI and Civil War.

[theholeinthedonut]

Yeah it's disgusting!! Just like Francis Drake, Frobisher and all the other guys..........friggin Nazis!!

Kuperjanov!! You should learn to ignore the flamebaiters from all the different factions as well as the political correct wankers witout any substantial historical knowledge. Other wise you will be in dire need of huge amounts of maalox or similar medications....

[kalkun]

What was the need to make this thread? Now all the sh!t is going to run in here.

[theholeinthedonut]

What was the need to make this thread? Now all the sh!t is going to run in here.

And I'm the biggest shyte of them all because I was the first one in! Badger Badger! Badger!

[kalkun]

And I'm the biggest shyte of them all because I was the first one in! Badger Badger! Badger!

eyh?

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[J.Kuperjanov-The Hero]

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[J.Kuperjanov-The Hero]

What was the need to make this thread? Now all the sh!t is going to run in here.

If you like then listen russian-putinjugend propaganda and dont do nothing.

Maybe some nazifoob get understand thath WORLD IS NOT BLACK AND WHITE.

If some idiot hink's thath if he say thath this or this is nazi, then he is the biggest nazi.

Nazi, nazi, nazi - whath a kosher world. You and you and you are nazi because i say it! :) Idiots!

[kalkun]

Maybe some nazifoob get understand thath WORLD IS NOT BLACK AND WHITE.

If some idiot hink's thath if he say thath this or this is nazi, then he is the biggest nazi

I agree, but I recommend to prevent making this kind of threads, just saves your nervs.

[theholeinthedonut]

If you like then listen russian-putinjugend propaganda and dont do nothing.

Maybe some nazifoob get understand thath WORLD IS NOT BLACK AND WHITE.

If some idiot hink's thath if he say thath this or this is nazi, then he is the biggest nazi.

Nazi, nazi, nazi - whath a kosher world. You and you and you are nazi because i say it! :) Idiots!

We live in a Glatt kosher world my friend!!!!! Better accept it or you will drown in your own heartburn!

EDIT: This is in no way meant to be anti-semitic!!!!

[J.Kuperjanov-The Hero]

Sorry jews, sorry russians, sorry blacks, sorry whites, sorry aliens, sorry animals, sorry sun, sorry moon, sorry all Universe - but Kuperjanov Battalion still using this old and honourable (1919) insignia. This is our right and duty. p-)

Btw. This is nazism: http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/08/13/europe/EU-GEN-Russia-Hate-Crimes.php

[California Joe]

You are correct, the Nazis have no copyright on emblems of that type, they've been around a very long time....as an example, I think the 17/21 Lancers may have a few years on you as far as the skull and bones type emblem there pal.

I'm glad you got that off your chest though. Wouldn't want you to have a stroke.

Oh yeah, keep the posts in English please.

[Recon FO]

Interesting photos, thanks for posting. But i recommend you read the rules and calm down just a little. Just saying so that you can keep posting in the future also bro, allways interested in learning more from Estonian military.;-)

[J.Kuperjanov-The Hero]

Thanks for post. feedbackp-)

http://inlinethumb06.webshots.com/8005/2968991900099775287S600x600Q85.jpg
During Soviet bloody occupation his grave was symbol of freedom.

[lightfire]

In overal, probably a good point, to clear up, who's who, but I would suggest you to lower the voice, that won't change oppinions of idiots, as you say, anyway.

edit:

oh, shyte.. Recon FO said that first..

[nullterm]

http://www.f-14association.com/stories-04-02.jpg

[RECON DOC]

You are correct, the Nazis have no copyright on emblems of that type, they've been around a very long time....as an example, I think the 17/21 Lancers may have a few years on you as far as the skull and bones type emblem there pal.

I'm glad you got that off your chest though. Wouldn't want you to have a stroke.

Oh yeah, keep the posts in English please.


http://www.palacebarracksmemorialgarden.org/17-21st-Lancers.jpg
http://histoire-collection.com/images/insgb90.jpg
http://www.rsignals.co.uk/Blazer%20badge%20images%20and%20pages/images/17%2021%20Lancers.jpg (http://www.rsignals.co.uk/Shop/Blazer%20Badges.html)

[Manu]

year but the problem is that the wehrmacht, especially the SS got famous with their symbols ... so "normal" people who are not very interested in history will know the SS but not the guy you are talking about.

I mean the swastiska wasn't invented by the nazis either but still it's not allowed (at least here in germany) because it stands for the nazis.

[Claymore]

http://www.dvidshub.net/media/thumbs/img/0604/17944.jpg
HIRES (http://www.dvidshub.net/img_show.php?id=17944)


http://www.fototime.com/25B1A1D112B04C6/orig.jpg

[Freibier]

Totenkopfhusaren:
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/2945/hussars18thcenturyjk9.jpg
Leibhusaren:
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/5715/leibhusarenxz3.jpg
Totenkopfhusar 1915:
http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/1720/hussar1915236ls6.jpg
Ze Kronprinz:
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/1053/kprinzinfieldsc7.jpg
Prussian Skull:
http://img407.imageshack.us/my.php?image=prussianskull1zc4.jpghttp://img403.imageshack.us/img403/1013/prussianskull1ab8.jpg
1. Leibhusaren Regiment Cap:
http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/9499/lhr1capvq9.jpg
haha:
http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/6578/postcard150dm5.jpg
Generalfeldmarschall Von Mackensen:
http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/4670/mackensencolourwd4.jpg
Georg Hantelmann, Totenkopfhusar der Luftwaffe!:
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/182/hantelmannun9.jpg
Braunschweiger Totenkopfhusarenmütze:
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/2098/busbyng8.jpg
Flag of 2. Leibhusaren Regiment:
http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/1230/lhr2pennantskulllo8.jpg
Braunschweiger Totenkopfhusar:
http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/6007/peg54173qf1.jpg

It's Husar in German, contrary to "hussar" in "english" p-)
More pics later maybe ...

[2RHPZ]

http://www.military.cz/special_forces/4brn/4pzpr/4pzprsmall.jpg

Czech LRSD Battalion, disbanded in 2003. The original one comes from the Czechoslovakian Legion in Russia (1918).

[J.Kuperjanov-The Hero]

Interesting pictures! Keep on posting "Skulla and Bones" or "Looks a'like nazi..." symbols using form from all over the world p-)

Latvian Air Force: (looks alike hindu or nazi...:)) http://www.rathbonemuseum.com/LATVIA/LATInsignia/LATInsig.html

http://www.rathbonemuseum.com/LATVIA/LATInsignia/LATWing1Frt_s.jpg (http://www.rathbonemuseum.com/LATVIA/LATInsignia/LATWing1Frt.jpg)

[dostanes.do.tlamy]

Czechoslovak legion (storm troops)
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=32658&stc=1&d=1187284295
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=32659&stc=1&d=1187284295

[dostanes.do.tlamy]

http://inlinethumb52.webshots.com/7859/2318272470099775287S600x600Q85.jpg
Russian Death Corps during WWI and Civil War.

They look very similar to 1.slavic storm regiment(1. czecho-slovak hussite division) leaded by russian general Kornilov.
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=32661&stc=1&d=1187286223
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=32662&stc=1&d=1187286223

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=32663&stc=1&d=1187286223
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=32664&stc=1&d=1187286223
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=32665&stc=1&d=1187286223
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=32666&stc=1&d=1187286223

[herman30]

:) As a side-note, this july I visited the city of Tartu and just happened to walk past the house (hospital) where J. Kuperjanov died in 1919.

PS. Kas siin foorumil on keegi Tartust? Olen kindel et kunagi tulen veel Tartusse käima. See on ju väga ilus linn.

[kalkun]

PS. Kas siin foorumil on keegi Tartust? Olen kindel et kunagi tulen veel Tartusse käima. See on ju väga ilus linn.

I' am, thnx about the comments of Tartu.

[herman30]

Great, Kalkun, perhaps we could meet some day when I come to Tartu. Might visit next summer again.

[J.Kuperjanov-The Hero]

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This is Kornilov Division uiform and insignia during Russian Civil War not in WWI.
Russian Death Corps fighting during WWI. Here is little diferences.

http://home.comcast.net/~markconrad/1917-20.html




8 July 1917 (2)
A. In a change to Order No. 547 of 27-06-1917, the distinctions of shock units are as follows: on the service hat – a head of Adam [i.e. a skull – M.C.] with a laurel wreath with crossed bones. Red-black chevron, point down at the bend of the elbow; shock units—being death units—are the storm units of their regiments.
B. The revolutionary battalions, formed from volunteers from replacement units in the rear (and sometimes called death units), have black skulls and bones on drab shoulder straps.

12 July 1917 (3) Concerning procedures for forming "death units" in troop formations.

[kalkun]

Great, Kalkun, perhaps we could meet some day when I come to Tartu. Might visit next summer again.

OK for me, I'll remember that.

[nemowork]

Surely the point is that the skull and crossbones or its variations has a long established history of being dramatic and scary, the nazi's blatantly stole anything like that to use themselves, from the Hakenkreuz to Nordic runes!

Add to that its association with the Prussian Hussars in the wars against Napoleon and german nationalism and of course they pinched it lind of like american militia groups calling themselves Rangers?

And it was hardly an eclusively Nazi thing, the Panzer units used it as well for germany and so did Hungarian paratroopers!

Then again ive seen a skull badge listed for the US 95th division in WW2 but the official one ive seen has a 9 interlaced with the latin V so ive no idea if that is actually true or not?

[dostanes.do.tlamy]

In a change to Order No. 547 of 27-06-1917, the distinctions of shock units are as follows: on the service hat – a head of Adam [i.e. a skull – M.C.] with a laurel wreath with crossed bones. Red-black chevron, point down at the bend of the elbow; shock units—being death units—are the storm units of their regiments.

Czechoslovak legion use same idea. They use head of Adam for volunteer storm troops (in czech "Úderníci").


Russian Death Corps fighting during WWI. Czech-slovak legion use Head of Adam during WWI. Maybe they copy idea from death units.

[wwcollect]

http://youtube.com/v/DC-8npFf1Ug

[J.Kuperjanov-The Hero]

http://www.divshare.com/img/1620886-2bb.JPG
http://www.divshare.com/img/1620783-cc7.jpg
Russian "Skull and Bones" is from Russian Orthodox Cross.
This meaning is "Skull of Adam":


At the foot of the Cross we find the skull and bones of Adam, the First Man. Tradition tells us that Golgotha was called the Place of the Skull not because the hill looked like a human skull, but because the bones of Adam had been brought and buried there by the descendants of Noah. When the Lord died, a great earthquake split apart the rocks, and the blood of the Lord flowed down from the Cross and on to the bones of Adam, indicating the remission of sins made possible to the whole human race. Pilgrims to the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem can put their hands down into the very cavity where Adam’s bones were awaiting the redeeming blood of Christ.