Online video by Russian nationalists shows apparent execution of 2 nonwhite men

[Jeremiah]

The Associated Press
Published: August 13, 2007

MOSCOW: Russian prosecutors said Monday they were investigating a video posted on several ultranationalist Web sites that appears to show the brutal execution of two men from Central Asia and the Caucasus — and the beheading of one of them.

The video, which was posted on the Web site of a Russian organization calling itself National Socialism/White Power along with other more common Web sites, shows two men kneeling on the ground with their arms and legs tied up.

"We were arrested by Russian national socialists," they say in barely audible voices.

A subtitle on the video identifies the two as "colonists from Tajikistan and Dagestan." A Nazi flag stands in the background while two men in masks and camouflaged clothing give Nazi salutes.

Then, a man with a knife or saw beheads one of the abducted men as heavy metal music plays in the background.

The video then cuts to the other man on his knees with his hands taped behind his back and his mouth taped shut. A hand can be seen firing a gun into the man's head and the body falls forward into what appears to be a freshly dug grave. Heavy metal music continues to play.

There was no way to independently confirm the content of the video, but Russian prosecutors told news agencies that they had opened a criminal investigation into its content.

Later Monday, the video appeared to have been taken down from several of the sites, including the popular blogging Web site LiveJournal and a message on the National Socialism/White Power Web site indicated the site had been overwhelmed with views.

Alexander Verkhovsky, an activist with the SOVA center, which monitors hate crimes in Russia, said after watching the video that he had never heard of the organization.

He also said he had seen many hate-crime videos in his work, but most of those that purported to depict murders appeared to have been staged or fake. This one, he said, appeared very genuine.

"I've never seen anything that blatant," he told The Associated Press.

Russia has seen a marked rise in xenophobia and racism in recent years, with numerous attacks on foreigners — many of them from the former Soviet republics in Central Asia and the Caucasus — as well as members of ethnic minorities within Russia and Jews.

[foreward russia]

Old and faked.
Wanna see some real vids of Muslims beheading Russians?
Just click a few years back on youtube or visit your local mosque. Oh, wait where was the outcry? Was there eventually one at all by the western media?

You better don't believe everything what's on the media.

[Flamming_Python]

This is terrible. Russia needs to declare a "War against Skinheads and Idiots"

[Zuze]

Old and faked.

Says who?



Wanna see some real vids of Muslims beheading Russians?
Just click a few years back on youtube or visit your local mosque. Oh, wait where was the outcry? Was there eventually one at all by the western media?


So you believe that because some chechen terrorists beheaded some russians few years ago, russians can now go and kill innocent tajiks and dagestanians?

[lightfire]

This is terrible. Russia needs to declare a "War against Skinheads and Idiots"

I concur, the last one........................................................................^^ ............................ posted above you btw.

[remo williams]

Old and faked.
Wanna see some real vids of Muslims beheading Russians?
Just click a few years back on youtube or visit your local mosque. Oh, wait where was the outcry? Was there eventually one at all by the western media?

You better don't believe everything what's on the media.

Since when has Russia become open enough to allow such reporting on it or the many other incidents by western media? Don't you realize that the flip side is, if it's not in papers or the news, it didn't happen. It's really sad that Russia would allow it's citizens to practice the ideology of a vanquished enemy. The reason I say this is because Russia is not America, and they could do something about it. However imho, until it affects/threatens the state, it's a problem they dont appear to be inclined to fix.

[kalkun]

The video is 30mbs big and it's real action head cut off, good quality, so yes, this is real.

[MZKT]

Since when has Russia become open enough to allow such reporting on it or the many other incidents by western media? Don't you realize that the flip side is, if it's not in papers or the news, it didn't happen. It's really sad that Russia would allow it's citizens to practice the ideology of a vanquished enemy. The reason I say this is because Russia is not America, and they could do something about it. However imho, until it affects/threatens the state, it's a problem they dont appear to be inclined to fix.

Well russian prosecutors started investigation, what else should they do?
Nazism has to be fought by all means, and ironically the weast is not really helpful in this issue. Several western media artcles critisized russian prohibition of nationalistic NBP-party, apparently because this party is supporting Kasparov. Several photos of OMON-policemen arresting NBP-members were shown in western media with description "Henchmen of evil autocratic Putin-regime are suppresing democratic opposition" rofl. InoSMI.ru is full of such articles.

[Bia]

Old and faked.
Wanna see some real vids of Muslims beheading Russians?
Just click a few years back on youtube or visit your local mosque. Oh, wait where was the outcry? Was there eventually one at all by the western media?

You better don't believe everything what's on the media.

You're mistaking this with the real "old fake" one...

I watched this one today and there's no faking carving a screaming mans head off my friend.

[kalkun]

link deleted

[Flamming_Python]

More on this whole mess. Really sad that this sort of barbarity is happening :-(

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/08/14/news/execute.php


MOSCOW: The Russian authorities said Tuesday that they were investigating a video recording of what appeared to be the grisly execution of two bound and gagged young men, filmed in a forest beneath a large Nazi flag. At least one of the men was beheaded on camera as he lay in a shallow grave.

The video, which appeared Sunday on several Russian ultranationalist Web sites, circulated on the Internet with a note from a previously unknown organization that called itself the National-Socialist Party of Russia. The note announced that a "military vanguard" had begun an armed struggle against "black colonists and those who support them from the Russian government."

It demanded the expulsion from Russia of all Asians and people from the Caucasus and the granting of independence to all of the Russian republics in the Caucasus.

The note also called for the resignation of President Vladimir Putin and for the establishment of a government formed by Dmitry Rumyantsev, the leader of the National-Socialist Society, a neo-Nazi group.

It further demanded the release of Maksim Martsinkevich, the leader of Format 18, another Russian neo-Nazi group, who has been held since last month on charges of fomenting ethnic hatred and threatening violence.

It was not clear when or where the video was made.

But Alexander Verkhovsky, director of the SOVA Center, a private organization that examines hate crimes in Russia, said the video appeared to be real. Mark Tolchinsky, the acting spokesman for the Interior Ministry of Dagestan, a Russian republic in the Caucasus, said that investigators in Dagestan had watched the video, and also believed it to be authentic.

Slightly less than three minutes long, the video begins with scenes of the countryside and the title, "Operation of the National-Socialist Party of Russia to arrest and execute two colonists from Dagestan and Tajikistan." For a date, it lists only 2007.

The video then shows two terrified dark-skinned men kneeling in the forest under a Nazi flag. Each man speaks through a gag in accented Russian, saying only, "We were arrested by National Socialists." One has been bound with heavy tape, the other with rope.

One of their captors shouts "Glory to Russia!" and then lunges forward and decapitates one of the men with what appears to be a large knife. Heavy metal music plays throughout.

Later, the second captive is shown kneeling, head lowered. The bolt of a gun is heard to slam closed. The prisoner is shot in the head and falls face down into a grave.

The video ends with two men in camouflage uniforms and black masks giving the Nazi salute.

The graphic scenes drew heavy traffic on Russian-language Web sites, and prompted intensive commentary on Internet discussion groups. Many viewers, including those who identified themselves as nationalists, expressed horror and denounced the acts.

Nationalist Russian politicians reacted similarly, and said the video was meant to discredit them. "This video tarnishes our image most of all," Evgeny Valyaev, an assistant to Nikolai Kuryanovich, a nationalist member of the lower house of Parliament, said by telephone.

"It's a provocation, it's clear," he added. "In the near future, similar things will happen."

A spokesman for the prosecutor general confirmed that the Interior Ministry and the FSB, a successor agency to the Soviet KGB, were conducting an investigation, but provided no further comment.

Irina Zubareva, a spokeswoman for the Interior Ministry, told Ria Novosti, the Russian state press agency, that the video was originally posted from two foreign Internet domains. That claim could not be confirmed.

Format 18 did not reply to queries sent by e-mail. A court in Moscow on Monday ordered Martsinkevich, the group's leader, to be held in pretrial confinement.

Martsinkevich, who uses the name Hatchet, burst into a debate between two journalists on the state of democracy in Russia earlier this year with about 20 followers, and shouted "Sieg Heil!" and "slaughter the liberals!" while making Nazi salutes. Since his arrest, his supporters have labeled him a "prisoner of conscience."

There was no immediate indication whether the video had been made by members of his group, his sympathizers or - as many ultranationalists on Web sites suggested - by people seeking to discredit him and the larger movement he has personified.

Verkhovsky, who studies hate crimes, said the party claiming to have made the video had never been heard of before, and might be a very small number of people, as few as two or three.

"Usually, such things are not done by members of well-known organizations, but by marginal people, even marginal for such movements," he said.

Videotaped beheadings and executions, a gruesome propaganda tool used by insurgents by Iraq, have a history in Russia that predates the Iraq war.

Chechen separatists have been accused of beheading captured Russian soldiers since the first Chechen war, in 1994, and recordings of such grisly acts have circulated in markets in the Caucasus for years.

Three British citizens and a New Zealander working for a British telecommunications company were abducted in Chechnya and beheaded in 1998. Before they were killed, the men were forced to confess on videotape to spying.

In recent years, neo-Nazis have also begun using Web sites and video to broadcast their violence and message, often showing severe beatings of immigrants.

Verkhovsky said the video of the apparent execution and beheading was new ground for ultranationalists and Russia's neo-Nazis, and perhaps a "symmetrical reaction to Chechnya," where macabre video first became a staple for illegal groups.

Michael Schwirtz contributed reporting.

[LEGEND]

Disgusting... I hope there will be a big public outcry in russia

[dimasorokine]

Yep, that video is 100% real - just watched it and it is as real and even more graphic and detailed as any of the Iraqi and Chechen beheadings...

Now, I'm sure this has happened before - but this seems to be the first time that it was video taped and destributed on the internet...seems to me, the nationalists are stepping up their propoganda and efforts while adapting the Chechen rebel's way of going about things.

-Dima

[Mr.K]

Every skin should get a trip to the sunny Dagestan republic

[Digimon]

It is possible that this video will be a catalyst for the reaction to follow. It seems that it is not being hashed by the mainstream media in Russia, something I was afraid could have happened. So, this might be the beginning of a major sweep up. As was pointed out by Alexander Verhovsky (Source: http://www.kommersant.ru/doc.aspx?DocsID=795361), even if this is a provocation, this organization might be finished. The news was featured earlier on the main federal channel, and although, it is no longer on the website, this very fact suggests that the government is not going to be pulling back in its reaction.

Few things have to be understood in order to get an idea of what the current legislative situation is. For many years Russian law enforcement simply had no legal means of doing anything about the neo-Nazi movements as such, apart from opening criminal prosecution when actual crimes occurred (beatings, murder, etc). Russia simply lacked legislation that would effectively allow someone to be charged with “hate crime”, so Western media kept fuming about the fact that Russia’s law enforcement charges Nazis with “hooliganism”, the only thing that was left open to it. It is only recently (2007) that a legislation was passed allowing to disband parties and initiate criminal prosecution for "extremism", which was defined as action or ideology inciting hatred towards social, religious, or ethnic groups.

Needless to say, that this legislation, which was aimed precisely at giving the law enforcement the legal means to deal with religious and nationalist extremism, was met with a univocal condemnation within Western media. It was seen as a curb on the freedom of expression, and freedom of conscience.

One of the reasons why the legislation is so late is because there had been an internal opposition to it. Law is by default general, inevitably ambiguous, and therefore opens the door for interpretation and abuse at the lower court level. The fear was that if extremism is so loosely defined, it will become a tool for fighting with political opposition. Already there had been precedents when political opposition newspapers had been confiscated for an expert examination on whether it contains “incitements” of hate in accordance with the legislation. Recently, a newsletter calling for a general strike at AutoVaz was confiscated for the same purpose (incitement of hate against a “social group”, i.e. capitalists). Therefore, Western criticism is not without ground – introduction of such repressive legislation within a state without institutional practice in such matters will inevitably lead to cases of abuse, that will be sorted out only in the course of the development of such legal practice and Supreme Court decisions.

In retrospect, however, it seems that Russia simply had to bite the bullet on this one. It is interesting that FSB was the only group that managed to block the first draft of the legislation because of its ambiguity, and thus managed to soften up the law. Nevertheless, as one can imagine, when the concept of “incitement of hate” and the concept of “social group” is so loosely defined, any criticism of bureaucracy could easily fall under the definition with all the issuing consequences.

[Kak]

I have watched hundreds of beheading videos, so I am quite familiar with what a real one looks like. I'd say I am over 80% sure that this video is genuine. There are some aspects to the beheading portrayed on the video, mostly having to do with the camera view, that leave open a small but noticeable possibility that it might be fake. If I had to pick one or the other I would definitely go with it being real, and if it is fake it would be a very well done one. I think it's safe to assume it's real.

And going with that assumption, it really is sad that stuff like this happens in such a great country. I just don't understand this "neo-nazi" movement in Russia. As far as I am concerned World War 2 was about the Nazi's versus the Soviet Union, with the USSR coming out on top after the greatest battles history has ever seen. These groups are just polluting a great aspect of the history of their country which was the Soviet diversity and multiculturalism. And don't these kids understand how ridiculous this "neo-nazi" bull is? I'm guessing they're ethnic Russians, Slavic people. I'd tell them to look up what "untermensch" is, but it's pretty obvious that these people are illiterate considering their grasp of history. These people are a disgrace to Russia, Russians, and the history of their country and people.

[Snoshi]

I have watched hundreds of beheading videos, so I am quite familiar with what a real one looks like. I'd say I am over 80% sure that this video is genuine. There are some aspects to the beheading portrayed on the video, mostly having to do with the camera view, that leave open a small but noticeable possibility that it might be fake. If I had to pick one or the other I would definitely go with it being real, and if it is fake it would be a very well done one. I think it's safe to assume it's real.

And going with that assumption, it really is sad that stuff like this happens in such a great country. I just don't understand this "neo-nazi" movement in Russia. As far as I am concerned World War 2 was about the Nazi's versus the Soviet Union, with the USSR coming out on top after the greatest battles history has ever seen. These groups are just polluting a great aspect of the history of their country which was the Soviet diversity and multiculturalism. And don't these kids understand how ridiculous this "neo-nazi" bull is? I'm guessing they're ethnic Russians, Slavic people. I'd tell them to look up what "untermensch" is, but it's pretty obvious that these people are illiterate considering their grasp of history. These people are a disgrace to Russia, Russians, and the history of their country and people.

There was some interview with Neo-Nazis in Russia and their belief is that Soviet Union should just let Germany sweep from Ukraine to Vladivostok to kill all the Jews.

[Snoshi]

MOSCOW, Aug 15 (*******) - Russian police detained a man on Wednesday for the suspected distribution over the Internet of a video showing the apparent murder of two men by neo-Nazis, Interfax reported, quoting an Interior Ministry source.

The man was held in the town of Maikop, capital of the Adygeya republic in southern Russia. The three-minute film purported to show the beheading of one man and the shooting of another as part of a neo-Nazi promotional video.

"According to preliminary information, he has been distributing this video over the Internet but he is not the author of this material," the Russian Interior Ministry source was quoted as saying by Interfax.

"We are checking whether he is a member of any banned or nationalist groups."

It is still uncertain if the video material is authentic. It was distributed through Russian ultra-nationalist Web sites, though it was subsequently removed.

The grainy video, seen by *******, shows two men posing before a Nazi swastika flag and two other men being tied up and held captive before apparently being killed in turn.
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L15594571.htm

[dimasorokine]

I still can't believe people are questioning if the video is real - it's as real and authentic as it gets, and it's not "grainy" by any means - it's high qualty compared to most Iraqi videos.

I invite anyone doubting this videos authenticity to watch it, it's absolutely sick and shows the beheading from close up and in detail, complete with horrible sounds of the victim.

This is 100% real, and these assholes need to be cought.

-Dima

[TriggerHappy]

OH MY GOD.
Words cannot express the disgust.

[Snoshi]

Yep.. And the said thing is that their number is growing.

[MoFo]

I uploaded the video at rapidshare: ***** (http://rapidshare.com/files/49021242/headcut.zip.html)
It's in winzip and it's Graphic!

Goin' to sleep now.

Can a mod Ban his arse, we dont need someone distributing it here.

[Kak]

Oh calm down, the guy didn't link to it to promote any viewpoint, only for people to see it to make up their own minds about whether or not it's authentic, he doesn't need to be permanently and completely removed from this community because of this.

Oh and I remembered an analogy I thought of but forgot to post earlier so I'll say it now, Russian neo-Nazis is almost as ridiculous as African American KKK members, but the sad part is the former actually exist.

[MoFo]

Well somone distributing such material from Iraq so people could "make up their own minds", is not something mods take very kindly too neither do most members here. Least he could remove the link..

Its a brutal murder, not something people should share, sit back and nitpick...

[kalkun]

Well somone distributing such material from Iraq so people could "make up their own minds", is not something mods take very kindly too neither do most members here. Least he could remove the link..

Its a brutal murder, not something people should share, sit back and nitpick...



I deleted the link, but I uploaded it for making sure there would be no one saying it's fake.

Wouldn't mind mod opinion.

[Tyler Durden 95]

I managed to watch it... I'm no expert but that seems real

*puke*

[tinker1]

Sad to see a nation which defeated the Nazis fall prey after half a century ..to the same idealogy..

has any studies been conducted on the skin heads? do they also include the well educated with jobs?

[TheArmenian]

Russian held over 'deaths' video

A man who says he posted a video on the internet which appears to show the murder of two men, has surrendered to Russian police, reports say.
The man was being questioned in the town of Maikop, in southern Russia, officials told Russian media.
The video apparently shows two men being killed, execution-style, by far-right extremists.
A group calling itself the National Socialists of Rus says it carried out the attack.
Russian police are investigating the authenticity of the video.
Attacks on foreigners
The suspect is reportedly a young man who is a follower of far right-wing ideas.
He is not suspected of producing the material but of distributing it over the internet, a Russian interior ministry official was quoted by Interfax news agency as saying.
The clip, which was posted on some websites, shows one man apparently being beheaded and the other shot.
One was from Russia's southern republic of Dagestan and the other from Tajikistan, captions on the video say.
Violence against people from the Caucasus and from central Asian and other foreign countries has been increasing in Russia in recent years.
Russian interior ministry spokeswoman Irina Zubareva told RIA Novosti news agency that the video was posted on websites hosted by servers in foreign countries.
Relevant information had already been sent to the authorities in those countries, she added.
Heavy metal
The video, which has been removed from some of the websites which earlier hosted it, shows the alleged killings to a soundtrack of heavy metal music.
The two men have had their arms and legs bound, and can reportedly be heard to say: "We were arrested by Russian national socialists."
Two men wearing masks and camouflage gear are shown giving Nazi salutes before the apparent killings go ahead. Alexander Verkhovsky, an activist involved in monitoring racist crimes in Russia, told AP news agency that he had never heard of the organisation said to have carried out the attack, but the film appeared to him to be genuine.




Source : http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6946810.stm

[Snoshi]

Btw i dint watch the video but what metal band were they listing to?

[TriggerHappy]

Btw i dint watch the video but what metal band were they listing to?
What kind of question is this?
Are you for real?

[Snoshi]

What kind of question is this?
Are you for real?

No, because BBC singled out heavy metal.. So soon metal will blamed.

[TriggerHappy]

No, because BBC singled out heavy metal.. So soon metal will blamed.

Yes I was wondering the same with the title of the paragraph.
What heavy metal has to do with the execution?
Either way it is off-topic in my opinion.

[MkH]

Why did I have to watch that video. The image is now burned on my retinas. Awful sh*t. I hope those responsible will be captured and brought to justice.

[Kippari]

I don't even need to see this. it's probably as bad as the other beheadings in Iraq. This really is a saaad reaction to what has happened in the Russian near-past. I hope they get caught and thrown to the darkest and coldest dungeon that Russia has to offer.:-(

[RomanS]

Fukin barbarians. Enemies of Russia who did this.
I cant beleive they are from the same country as I am.

God I miss the old days of Soviet discipline.

[Flamming_Python]

Fukin barbarians. Enemies of Russia who did this.
I cant beleive they are from the same country as I am.

God I miss the old days of Soviet discipline.

Stalin would have none of this p-)

Islamists, Nationalists. He would deal with them in a second ;)

Probably times like these are the only time I miss that ol' mass murderer

[remo williams]

It is possible that this video will be a catalyst for the reaction to follow. It seems that it is not being hashed by the mainstream media in Russia, something I was afraid could have happened. So, this might be the beginning of a major sweep up. As was pointed out by Alexander Verhovsky (Source: http://www.kommersant.ru/doc.aspx?DocsID=795361), even if this is a provocation, this organization might be finished. The news was featured earlier on the main federal channel, and although, it is no longer on the website, this very fact suggests that the government is not going to be pulling back in its reaction.

Few things have to be understood in order to get an idea of what the current legislative situation is. For many years Russian law enforcement simply had no legal means of doing anything about the neo-Nazi movements as such, apart from opening criminal prosecution when actual crimes occurred (beatings, murder, etc). Russia simply lacked legislation that would effectively allow someone to be charged with “hate crime”, so Western media kept fuming about the fact that Russia’s law enforcement charges Nazis with “hooliganism”, the only thing that was left open to it. It is only recently (2007) that a legislation was passed allowing to disband parties and initiate criminal prosecution for "extremism", which was defined as action or ideology inciting hatred towards social, religious, or ethnic groups.

Needless to say, that this legislation, which was aimed precisely at giving the law enforcement the legal means to deal with religious and nationalist extremism, was met with a univocal condemnation within Western media. It was seen as a curb on the freedom of expression, and freedom of conscience.

One of the reasons why the legislation is so late is because there had been an internal opposition to it. Law is by default general, inevitably ambiguous, and therefore opens the door for interpretation and abuse at the lower court level. The fear was that if extremism is so loosely defined, it will become a tool for fighting with political opposition. Already there had been precedents when political opposition newspapers had been confiscated for an expert examination on whether it contains “incitements” of hate in accordance with the legislation. Recently, a newsletter calling for a general strike at AutoVaz was confiscated for the same purpose (incitement of hate against a “social group”, i.e. capitalists). Therefore, Western criticism is not without ground – introduction of such repressive legislation within a state without institutional practice in such matters will inevitably lead to cases of abuse, that will be sorted out only in the course of the development of such legal practice and Supreme Court decisions.

In retrospect, however, it seems that Russia simply had to bite the bullet on this one. It is interesting that FSB was the only group that managed to block the first draft of the legislation because of its ambiguity, and thus managed to soften up the law. Nevertheless, as one can imagine, when the concept of “incitement of hate” and the concept of “social group” is so loosely defined, any criticism of bureaucracy could easily fall under the definition with all the issuing consequences.


I understand now why the "hooliganism" charge was always the charge whenever I read about an incident like this in Russia.

Does that mean that after WW2 ended, it was a total mea culpa be tween Russia and Nazi Germany? That there was no legislation made even broaching the subject? If there were, they would have had precedent all along to outright declare Nazi affiliation high treason against the state.
As many have said , Stalin would have deal with such threats in a heartbeat. Not that that is basis for vindication from err.. any wrong done. It's hard to believe that he may not have written any legislation in regards to them in Russia.

I think it would have curbed the evolution/formation of such groups noticeably. After all it Russia, not America.

[PsychoMantis]

Nationalism at its finest.

[PsychoMantis]

This is terrible. Russia needs to declare a "War against Skinheads and Idiots"
http://www.justfightvideos.com/fightvideos/13883/Gang_tortures_and_humiliates_a_skinhead.htm
Here,do you feel better about yourself? Do you feel as though justice is served?

[timetraveller]

I read in The Times yesterdays edition that the person whom filmed and appeared in it handed himself into the Police ..

[Flamming_Python]

http://www.justfightvideos.com/fightvideos/13883/Gang_tortures_and_humiliates_a_skinhead.htm
Here,do you feel better about yourself? Do you feel as though justice is served?

Like I said, war against Skinheads And Idiots

Who knows though. Maybe that Skin got what he had coming to him. Regardless, this is a matter that should be settled by the Government and the Police, not by other gangs who may be just as bad.

[IvanIII]

Did you guys even look at this i cant as soon he starts to cut i closed it.
It made me feel dizzy.

[Noble713]

Btw i dint watch the video but what metal band were they listing to?

I didn't recognize the actual songs, but the opening/ending track sounds similar to some Scandinavian folk/viking metal like Wintersun. The other main track has only mediocre production quality so I wouldn't be surprised if its some sh1tty NSBM (National Socialist Black Metal) band.

[AmericanKaliber]

Every skin should get a trip to the sunny Dagestan republic

I agree. Basterds wanna cut off heads and act like mujaheds... We will treat them like every other Mujahed.

But i say just Torture them until they wish they were dead...and then let them live and torture them more.

[LEGEND]

But i say just Torture them until they wish they were dead...and then let them live and torture them more.

And video tape the procedure to put it on liveleak? I can see how you feel about this, but doing something like this would mean you lower yourself to their level.

[Alan]

I have a serious problem with the title of this thread...

"Non-white"?

Excuse me, but as far as I know, and being a caucasian[Ossetian}, I know pretty fvcking well, Dagestanis are white, as white as can frikkin get.

That said, hang those racist fvcks, hang em high right in the red square.

[Noble713]

And video tape the procedure to put it on liveleak? I can see how you feel about this, but doing something like this would mean you lower yourself to their level.

When you abandon the idea that looking down on your opposition in some way brings peace of mind, all options become viable.

[herman30]

Did you guys even look at this i cant as soon he starts to cut i closed it.
It made me feel dizzy.

I made the big mistake of watching it. I too had to close it when cutting begun.
People who are capable of such horrific acts cannot have much humanity in them. they are more like animals.

[zwonder]

I have a serious problem with the title of this thread...

"Non-white"?

Excuse me, but as far as I know, and being a caucasian[Ossetian}, I know pretty fvcking well, Dagestanis are white, as white as can frikkin get.

That said, hang those racist fvcks, hang em high right in the red square.

Should read non-slavic.

[Kaapeli]

Should read non-slavic.

Don't think so. For example the natives of most of northern Russia are Finno-Ugrian and Turkic peoples. I don't think they are being discriminated against (Or atleast I hope so)? And all of Russia is dotted with ethnic republics even around Moscow.