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Gothjod
08-14-2007, 03:39 PM
By Dion Nissenbaum, McClatchy Newspapers

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip — Saraa Barhoum picked at the buttons on her pink bellbottom jeans as she twisted on a chair inside the bustling new Hamas television headquarters. The afternoon light bounced off the sparkly outlines of butterflies on her frilly top, and a colorful hijab framed her 11-year-old face.

Saraa wants to be a doctor. If she can't, the young star of Hamas television's best-known children's show said, she'd be proud to become a martyr. Saraa says little Jewish girls should be forced from their homes in Israel so that Palestinians can return to their land.

With the show's producer helpfully offering written tips during an interview, Saraa didn't get into how she hopes to die for her cause, be it suicide bombing, fighting the Israeli military or some other way. She carefully sidestepped any suggestion that she's subtly calling for the destruction of Israel .

" Israel says that we are terrorists," Saraa said minutes before an interview with her was interrupted by an errant Israeli airstrike that slammed into an apartment building on the adjacent block. "But they are the ones that must stop their attacks against us and our kids."

Saraa is the sweet face of "Tomorrow's Pioneers," a weekly, hour-long Hamas television children's show best known for bringing the world a militant Mickey Mouse look-alike and then having him killed off by an Israeli interrogator.

With her jarring mix of innocent charm and militant rhetoric, Saraa is at the center of the militant Islamist group's increasingly sophisticated campaign to become the dominant force in Palestinian politics.

" Hamas is fighting a political war for the hearts and minds of the West Bank and Gaza Strip ," said Robert A. Pape , a University of Chicago political science professor and the author of "Dying to Win: The Strategic Logic of Suicide Terrorism."

"They are trying to show that they are the true heart-and-soul of the community, all the way down to an 11-year-old-girl," Pape added.

Since it went on the air last year in the Gaza Strip , the Hamas -funded al Aqsa television has gained momentum and expanded its audience to include the West Bank .

Taking a lead from Hezbollah's al Manar television station in Beirut , Hamas is using al Aqsa to promote its agenda and challenge its rivals, in this case Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas and his fractured Fatah allies.

During its decisive June military showdown with Fatah in Gaza , Hamas used its television station to broadcast footage of Fatah leaders joking with U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and other Bush administration officials. The message was clear: Fatah is in bed with America. After Fatah lost Gaza to Hamas , Fatah forces laid siege to al Aqsa's offices in the West Bank and arrested several employees.

The station, which operates with a license from the Palestinian Authority, also features religious lessons, cartoons, advice shows and militant music videos. One video hailed a female suicide bomber whose young daughter vows to follow her mother's example.

"Tomorrow's Pioneers" sparked an international furor in April when it began featuring Farfour, the Mickey Mouse look-alike who sounded more like Iran's firebrand President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad than a Disney character.

Mustafa Barghouti , then serving as the Palestinian Authority's information minister, called the show a "mistaken approach" to helping Palestinians and tried unsuccessfully to force the show off the year.

The Israeli government and activists who monitor Palestinian programming accused Hamas of poisoning the minds of young children with the show.

After two months, Farfour was beaten to death on the show by an Israeli interrogator. Nahoul, a larger-than-life bee, is now carrying his message.

"A lot of people in Palestine have died as martyrs, and lots of Palestinians hope to be martyrs," Saraa said of Farfour's demise. "This is one of the ends."

Asked if she hoped one day to be a martyr, Saraa instinctively nodded her head.

"Of course," Saraa said. "It's something to be proud of. Every Palestinian citizen hopes to be a martyr."

Saraa helps deliver similar messages to Palestinian children from a Hamas TV set filled with colorful numbers and pictures of kittens. During the show, Saraa fields calls from Palestinian children who warble songs about Islam, liberating Jerusalem and finding answers in the barrel of a machine gun.

On one show, she cut off a caller who was singing about surrendering herself, presumably to God's will.

"We don't want to surrender," Saraa told the caller. "We want to resist."

The show has provided new fodder for Israeli activists, who say that Saraa is the true face of Hamas , an extremist group that's using an innocent front to conceal its real agenda.

Hamas television officials defend the show, saying it's designed to help young children connect with their country and their God.

Israel and the United States both have pressured the Palestinian Authority to change school textbooks, radio shows and television programming that are seen to be fueling anti-Israeli hatred.

On the show, Saraa offers moral lessons to viewers and urges them to do what they can to fight Israeli occupation. After some prodding in an interview, Saraa offered a personal message for Israeli girls her age.

"They have to leave," she said. "This is our country. They kicked us out and stole our happiness. This is a natural result."

Within minutes, an explosion hit the building, rattling windows and sending Saraa and the staff rushing outside. At first, no one was sure if it was an accident or an Israeli airstrike. Then, it became clear that the blast was caused by an Israeli missile that missed a car filled with militants and slammed into an empty bedroom on the top floor of a three-story apartment building.

Standing outside the Hamas building with her producer protectively putting his arm around her shoulders, Saraa looked pensive and anxious. Hamas camera crews and an ambulance rushed down the block. Saraa kept quiet and gazed down the street. The coached revolutionary rhetoric disappeared. Instead, she looked like any frightened young girl caught up in events beyond her control.

Then, after it was clear that no one had been killed in the airstrike, Saraa and her producer headed back upstairs to prepare for the next episode of "Tomorrow's Pioneers."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20070814bcmideasthamas_attn_national_foreign_editors_ytop


What the hell is worng with these people?! If 34 year old guys want to do it. It's their life... but Kids? thats just so wrong in so many ways.... Even if you are in a state of war.

JJC
08-14-2007, 03:43 PM
This is a normal day to day life in Palestinian and genral Arab culture. I'm sure you will find some "expert" in the western media who will blame Israel for the suffering and oppression which forces Palestinians to brainwash their future into loving death.

mi35d
08-14-2007, 04:40 PM
I believe that there has and still exists useless and crazy crap conducted by both sides in the conflict, BUT - Big BUT: The continual indocrination of children to hate serves no purpose and slowly draws away much of the support their cause once had.

LMAV
08-14-2007, 04:43 PM
wheres the outrage???


/crickets

vinny_121_ND
08-14-2007, 05:06 PM
Saraa wants to be a doctor. If she can't, the young star of Hamas television's best-known children's show said, she'd be proud to become a martyr. Saraa says little Jewish girls should be forced from their homes in Israel so that Palestinians can return to their land.Before a med student is ever allowed to study at medical schools, they vow only to do good, and never harm anyone, regardless of who the patient is. Never hurt anyone. If any med school admissions committee ever heard what she said, it is an automatic rejection.

But then again, martyrdom is big in islamic culture. "It's like going to woodstock for the first time." quote from the show "Over There".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wF4HRKxvzk0 (first minute or so where the interpreter explains it all to the soldier).

Mu-Meson
08-14-2007, 05:41 PM
The vow to do only good, actually to do no harm (the Hippocratic Oath) originated in Greece (ie western civilisation). I haven't heard of any Islamic equvalent.

Helen Lovejoy: "Won't somebody please think of the children?!"

timetraveller
08-14-2007, 06:27 PM
Not wanting take sides by any means ..

From the logical point of view ..

if you had lived on lands for many years only to told to vacate or what ever means they used back then ..

How would you feel at that time ?

shocker1
08-14-2007, 06:35 PM
Not wanting take sides by any means ..

From the logical point of view ..

if you had lived on lands for many years only to told to vacate or what ever means they used back then ..

How would you feel at that time ?
What have the Palis done for themselves other than hate Israel, devise ways to kill people in buses and markets? Then again I would not ask my children to blow themselves up or dream of becoming a martyr. A society that worships death and imposes that twisted mindset on children deserves to rot in hell IMO.

AROUETLJ
08-14-2007, 06:41 PM
Look chaps, did anyone here ever fail at anything? Because the way you talk, it seems as if you're doing exactly what you set out to do, and your life has turned out exactly as you wished. Did you ever hear of suicide? Did you ever hear of failure? Of your life turning to **** before your very eyes? Now this girl wants to become a doctor. Failing that, she says she'd be willing to kill herself. I can understand her. The only difference between me and her is that she can do so via the "suicide bomber" path, which I think is a totally deplorable way of committing suicide.

shocker1
08-14-2007, 06:47 PM
Look man it is not the little girl I am blaming, It is her parents and society that should be flogged hard for condoning such morbid thoughts. Then promoting them in a childrens TV program. Rationalize it all you want but that is a sick society no matter what big bad Israel has done.

Fade
08-14-2007, 06:54 PM
This is truly a sad thing, when a child that has barely tasted life craves death. :|

timetraveller
08-14-2007, 06:58 PM
This is truly a sad thing, when a child that has barely tasted life craves death. :|


Totally Agree ...

JJC
08-14-2007, 06:58 PM
Not wanting take sides by any means ..

From the logical point of view ..

if you had lived on lands for many years only to told to vacate or what ever means they used back then ..

How would you feel at that time ?

not going into debating historical facts of your statement, but by your reasoning, the tens of millions of European refugees who were uprooted from their historic lands and homes during the world war should continue to hate and murder the country that caused that.

Why you never hear of the million Mizrahi Jews- the Jews that lived in Arab countries for hundreds of years, in some before Islam spread, never teach their children to hate and continue to kill the Arabs that expelled them, they were really uprooted without UN or other charity compensations, they too had to start from 0 and build up their lives....

vinny_121_ND
08-14-2007, 07:01 PM
It's just polar opposites. I wish to help people, and if I can't, I'm going to kill as many people as possible. That's just the biggest non sensible think to do. I know people who couldn't get into meds school ended up doing a masters or a PhD program and eventually got in. I can't believe a 11 year old wants to be a doctor before she even took first year biology, chemistry, and physics, let alone high school.

shocker1
08-14-2007, 07:05 PM
I can't believe a 11 year old wants to be a doctor before she even took first year biology, chemistry, and physics, let alone high school.
She can dream but this is all scripted for dramatic heartfelt effect.

"Good little girl wants to be something great but big bad Israel will not let her therefore her parents and society honor her with death." Nice

Roids
08-14-2007, 07:07 PM
Look chaps, did anyone here ever fail at anything? Because the way you talk, it seems as if you're doing exactly what you set out to do, and your life has turned out exactly as you wished. Did you ever hear of suicide? Did you ever hear of failure? Of your life turning to **** before your very eyes? Now this girl wants to become a doctor. Failing that, she says she'd be willing to kill herself. I can understand her. The only difference between me and her is that she can do so via the "suicide bomber" path, which I think is a totally deplorable way of committing suicide.

Should we also excuse the behavior of "I hate the world and myself" mass murderers too? They are also depressed. Everybody fails and everybody deals with it, part of living life is sucking up the many hardships you will face. No magic or sugar-coating, that's just how it is.

Israel if it was smart would wipe that ideology out of the it's area for the sake of itself and the children of Palestine. This culture of death and lies, this "spiritual reward" is just a plot so tyrants can have a fresh supply of mindless drones to do their bidding. Instead their should be a culture of living a life of paradise, not this "Die and you will receive heaven" crap.

dave81
08-14-2007, 07:15 PM
Apparently there was a Mickey Mouse-inspired costumed mascot on the show, whose character was beaten to death by an Israeli who tried to buy his land and was refused...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farfur

When's the DVD coming out?

Bia
08-14-2007, 07:24 PM
Yeah both sides USE children for their agenda.

Both sides sicken me.

JJC
08-14-2007, 07:26 PM
Yeah both sides USE children for their agenda.

Both sides sicken me.

care to explain the BOTH sides part with examples??

Bia
08-14-2007, 07:27 PM
care to explain the BOTH sides part with examples??No I dont.

JJC
08-14-2007, 07:28 PM
No I dont.

................

Fade
08-14-2007, 07:32 PM
Yeah both sides USE children for their agenda.

Both sides sicken me.

...............

NimDod
08-14-2007, 07:34 PM
No I dont.

maybe because you were talking out of your ass.
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/825/drphilfailfl3.jpg

Bia
08-14-2007, 07:37 PM
maybe because you were talking out of your ass.


LOL @ you.

Yeah... only one side does wrong things and the other is good.

You're so right.

vinny_121_ND
08-14-2007, 07:38 PM
Not wanting take sides by any means ..

From the logical point of view ..

if you had lived on lands for many years only to told to vacate or what ever means they used back then ..

How would you feel at that time ?


It's not that black and white. The Jews were about to be exterminated by Hitler and Arabs didn't protest. Arabs didn't stage mass protests at the German embassies to say this is unacceptable. So, the UN thought to be sympathetic, let's create a jewish where this genocide will never happen again. At this point Arabs got mad, and for standing by and doing nothing while Hitler tried to kill jews is the one of the root causes of today's conflicts.

Listen, regardless of the history, you're going to have to make peace with Israel. Failure to do that, will result in more deaths, and more unhealthy relationships. Palestinians have chosen war for the past 60 years, and that led to nothing.

Here's a good read of how an arab inspired hitler of jihad.
http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/AntiSemi/11165.htm

JJC
08-14-2007, 07:39 PM
maybe because you were talking out of your ass.
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/825/drphilfailfl3.jpg


Usually it's because some people talk out of their hearts and not minds. That's how I showed one of my liberal college professor, who also had that logic of both sides are equaly guilty that No both sides are not equal. Of course he had hard time showing me where in Israeli schools or popular TV show do they teach children to hate and kill Palestinians...

Bia
08-14-2007, 07:41 PM
Usually it's because some people talk out of their hearts and not minds. That's how I showed one of my liberal college professor, who also had that logic of both sides are equaly guilty that No both sides are not equal. Of course he had hard time showing me where in Israeli schools or popular TV show do they teach children to hate and kill Palestinians...
Yeah I have seen the videos of jew kids throwing rocks and spitting at old people.

I suppose those jew kids had a legit reason and were thinking for themselves.

JJC
08-14-2007, 07:47 PM
Yeah I have seen the videos of jew kids throwing rocks and spitting at old people.

I suppose those jew kids had a legit reason and were thinking for themselves.

HAHA lol I knew that you will give that as an example as many others have done when I debated this issue, it even has been covered on this board. Don't tell me your next proof is pictures of Israeli kids writing on rockets death wishes to Hezbulah as proof that Israelis brainwash their kids to hate and murder Palestinians, Arabs on daily basis through school textbooks, daily TV shows, in their houses of worship, by their parents, in their universities.....

AlterMega
08-14-2007, 07:51 PM
Yeah I have seen the videos of jew kids throwing rocks and spitting at old people.

I suppose those jew kids had a legit reason and were thinking for themselves.

Spitting and throwing rocks!?Are you serious?
sounds like the next generation of suicide bombing martyrs to me!

seriously though;stay away from any area where kids congregate and play with eachother -you will be DISGUSTED!

cheers,just watching out for you

Bia
08-14-2007, 07:55 PM
Like I said before several of you got your panties in a bunch...

Both sides sicken me. Both use children in ways that shame their cause...

there's no debate.

Bia
08-14-2007, 07:57 PM
seriously though;stay away from any area where kids congregate and play with eachother -you will be DISGUSTED!


I didnt say children treating each other badly. Dont be silly.
Children treating elderly poorly is disgusting no matter what race you belong to.

SBL
08-14-2007, 07:59 PM
Like I said before several of you got your panties in a bunch...

Both sides sicken me. Both use children in ways that shame their cause...

there's no debate.

The trick is using children in a manner that doesn't shame your cause.

Fade
08-14-2007, 08:01 PM
Both sides sicken me. Both use children in ways that shame their cause...

there's no debate.

You claimed this and when asked for proof, you refused.

Please verify your claims.

JJC
08-14-2007, 08:02 PM
Like I said before several of you got your panties in a bunch...

Both sides sicken me. Both use children in ways that shame their cause...

there's no debate.

there is no debate because it is hard for you to show us how both sides equally use their children in ways that sicken you. You are saying what you are saying because obviously you don't know general cultrue and society of Israel and Palestinians since you see everything the same, because if you would have a clue you wouldn't be making your assumptions...

Ordie
08-14-2007, 08:03 PM
"Dead men (people) have no victory."
-Euripides 411 BC

Bia
08-14-2007, 08:06 PM
there is no debate because it is hard for you to show us how both sides equally use their children in ways that sicken you. You are saying what you are saying because obviously you don't know general cultrue and society of Israel and Palestinians since you see everything the same, because if you would have a clue you wouldn't be making your assumptions...
See here's where you fail to understand what I say.
You're thinking I am equating rock throwing to murder.

I am not.
I never said "equally" but you have added it to my words.
I stand by the claim both sides use children...in ways that are dispicable to their cause and dispicable to parenthood.

Nothing more or less.

My assumption stands firm.

JJC
08-14-2007, 08:10 PM
See here's where you fail to understand what I say.
You're thinking I am equating rock throwing to murder.

I am not.
I never said "equally" but you have added it to my words.
I stand by the claim both sides use children...in ways that are dispicable to their cuase and dispicable to parenthood.

Nothing more or less.

My assumption stands firm.

You are repeating the same thing over and over without giving any details by what you mean. Give examples of what you mean so we understand your point?...

Bia
08-14-2007, 08:11 PM
I already did.

Troll elsewhere please.

Thank you.

AlterMega
08-14-2007, 08:12 PM
I didnt say children treating each other badly. Dont be silly.
Children treating elderly poorly is disgusting no matter what race you belong to.
Well your example was silly itself.
Poor treatment of the elderly isn't something I would place above extremism at this point in time,neither is it something thats unique to the state of Israel.:roll:

JJC
08-14-2007, 08:18 PM
I already did.

Troll elsewhere please.

Thank you.

I really do think that you understand that what you said doesn't hold water, and so I won't "troll" anymore because you have answered and proved your point with your example and/or the lack of. I just hope that you will start understanding the differences between general Israeli and Palestinian cultures and how they raise ther children.

Flagg
08-14-2007, 09:10 PM
This is going nowhere...closed