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08-20-2007, 05:32 AM
Israel must prepare for possibility that its alliance with US will diminish

Gidi Grinstein
Published: 08.20.07, 07:32 / Israel Opinion (http://www.ynetnews.com/home/0,7340,L-3084,00.html)

The new defense memorandum between Israel and the United States was signed this week. According to what is known to the public, the memorandum includes a plan for boosting the American defense aid package to Israel to a sum of $30 billion, which will be spread over the next 10 years starting in 2008.

Of course, the memorandum constitutes another important milestone in the special relationship between the two countries, but it is also a good reason for some fresh thinking.

For about 40 years now, the close relationship with the US has been a pillar of Israel's national security. This closeness is premised on shared values and joint interests as well as the political and economic power of the American Jewish community, which is unprecedented in the history of our people.

This reality sees "special ties" between Israel and the US that are manifested through economic aid, political, military, and technological cooperation, and diplomatic support.

This reality is changing. The engine of change is America's floundering in Iraq and the waning hopes for victory there or a quick and elegant exit. In addition, at this time it is hard to see the US acting decisively in order to curb the nuclear project advanced by Iran, which is increasingly reinforcing its status as a regional power with a blatant anti-American agenda.

Moreover, the US is entangled in a series of wars and political struggles involving Afghanistan, Syria, Lebanon, Russia, and the Palestinian Authority. It is hard to see America gaining the upper hand in any of these arenas.

Meanwhile, new forces headed by Russia, China and India are taking front stage in the global theater. These countries are looking to undermine America's status and threaten its interests worldwide.

This reality will lead to a reassessment of America's interests and priorities in the region, to be undertaken at the beginning of 2009 at the latest, as a new administration takes office. It is unclear what new global perception will guide American policy in the post-Bush era and to what extent will Israel maintain its special status.

End of the affair?

Another aspect of this process sees the pro-Israel lobby and US Jewish community under attack. They are being accused of preferring Israeli interests over American ones and of pressuring US decision-makers accordingly. There are voices charging that the pro-Israel lobby is responsible for the Iraqi failure, and a military move in Iran is presented as an Israeli interest more than it is an American interest.

As a result, we cannot reject the possibility that George W Bush's presidency will turn out to be the zenith of the relationship with the US, and we should prepare accordingly.

The core of the Israeli preparation must be premised on reorganization of the foreign policy component in Israel's national security. We must manage this area as we do the defense establishment. That is, the prime minister must make sure that authority and powers are clearly designated for each major issue.

In addition, we must upgrade the manner in which we nurture relationships with emerging powers in the international system. These countries do not have a history of a close relationship with Israel, are not home to a strong Jewish community, and do not share values with Israel.

Therefore, we must formulate a clear strategy and implement it, boost the number of diplomats and the Foreign Ministry's operational budget, and even consider a significant boost in the resources available to Israel's foreign aid apparatus.

The message is simple: We must not become intoxicated by the signing of the new defense memorandum, despite the justified sense of joy. In light of the abovementioned trends, it is important that we start devoting some thought and earmarking some resources ahead of the possibility that one day our wonderful love affair with the US will start to dissipate.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3439268,00.html

Mu-Meson
08-20-2007, 11:12 AM
If Israel's alliance with the US diminishes, who can you turn to? Europe? Ha! Yeah right. I think that Israel needs to be cultivating relationships in Asia much more aggressively. Taiwan, India, Australia, Japan etc. Heck, if the US is out of it then even try China.

LMAV
08-20-2007, 11:21 AM
I really dont see us backing away from Israel. America will not stand by and let Israel be overrun.

shocker1
08-20-2007, 11:28 AM
This reality is changing. The engine of change is America's floundering in Iraq and the waning hopes for victory there or a quick and elegant exit. In addition, at this time it is hard to see the US acting decisively in order to curb the nuclear project advanced by Iran, which is increasingly reinforcing its status as a regional power with a blatant anti-American agenda.Here is the problem. It is not the UN, world, EU or the Ayatollah that is responsible for stopping Iran. It is the US and if not for the back door money train at the UN in regards to Iraq then he would have been starved out in the 90's. I doubt America would ever abandon Israel but if it does it won't be me supporting such a policy.

Lt. James Anderson
08-20-2007, 11:33 AM
I really dont see us backing away from Israel. America will not stand by and let Israel be overrun.

And why should it be any of our concern?

The Jewish community in the US is rich enough to support Israel with their own money (but they still prefer our tax money) and there are
more Jews living all over the world than in Israel (why not move to Israel ... if I was Jewish I would do just that and defend my own land).

blue_eagle
08-20-2007, 12:02 PM
if the US is out of it then even try China.

After all, Chinese save many Jewish people during World-War II. China was the only place in the world that did not require a visa for Jewish people to enter.

http://www.chinajewish.org/JewishHistory.htm
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0298/china.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/monitoring/media_reports/945367.stm
http://www.gluckman.com/ShanghaiJewsChina.html
http://www.collect.at/history-documents-jewish-refugees-in-china-c-23_68.html

2Sheds_Jackson
08-20-2007, 12:20 PM
It's never wise to put all of one's eggs in one basket. That being said - Israel would face unique difficulties in buying arms from other sources. Their own people and government would balk at buying arms from the very suppliers who happily arm their enemies. And if anti-Jewish sentiment in the US becomes to great to do business with us, I hardly think that Europe would be a more favorable environment.

MichaelF
08-20-2007, 02:23 PM
And why should it be any of our concern?


For the same reason it wasn't in our interests to watch the Soviets overrun Western Europe.

LMAV
08-20-2007, 02:34 PM
And why should it be any of our concern?

The Jewish community in the US is rich enough to support Israel with their own money (but they still prefer our tax money) and there are
more Jews living all over the world than in Israel (why not move to Israel ... if I was Jewish I would do just that and defend my own land).

That reads like a clansman's rant about blacks "going back to Africa".

It should be our concern because they are a small country, surrounded by people who want to kill them. Not to mention all the people outside of the middle east that want to kill them. Its about standing up for whats right.

Lt. James Anderson
08-20-2007, 02:51 PM
Not to mention all the people outside of the middle east that want to kill them. Its about standing up for whats right.

What are you ... a Mother Theresa? I couldn't care less about "whats right" for other people, all I care about is what's right for America ... and giving some other nation (whichever) my tax money for free is not right for me and for this country


For the same reason it wasn't in our interests to watch the Soviets overrun Western Europe.

They would've overrun the Western Europe anyways , with us or without us ... at least thats what everybody thought at the time. Your comparison is flawed in more ways than one.

LMAV
08-20-2007, 02:55 PM
They would've overrun the Western Europe anyways , with us or without us ... at least thats what everybody thought at the time. Your comparison is flawed in more ways than one.

What are you talking about? They didn't over run Europe! You're telling him his comparison is flawed, using a fictitious alternate time line as proof. lol.



What are you ... a Mother Theresa? I couldn't care less about "whats right" for other people, all I care about is what's right for America ... and giving some other nation (whichever) my tax money for free is not right for me and for this countryA strong Israel is the middle East is good for America. Do you seriously think a defeated Israel is good for America?

MichaelF
08-20-2007, 03:20 PM
They would've overrun the Western Europe anyways , with us or without us ... at least thats what everybody thought at the time. Your comparison is flawed in more ways than one.


Really?

That's certainly an........original interpretation of Cold War events...

Good luck with that.

JJC
08-20-2007, 03:41 PM
But this article has some reasonable questions. The Jewish community in the U.S. that is involved in political activism is declining as more and more Jews are assimilating at highest numbers than ever, and the Jewish influential figures in the U.S. are aging. Also, even though the Arab/Muslim population doesn't have a strong political voice yet, their political activism and voice is growing. In 25-30 years U.S.-Israel relations might not resemble what is today. Another factor has to do with younger generation of future American leaders, who will have no understanding or connection to the past 40 years of world politics and will lean to the left; we can see that already today with the Democratic party because its values and stance is changing because it is reflecting the younger generation constituents.

Moledet
08-20-2007, 04:19 PM
There's no doubt we should push for better relations with India, it's our best chance for a strong new ally. I think we are doing our best to strengthen the relations with some very large arms deals and extensive cooperation in space plans.

sinophile
08-21-2007, 01:00 AM
There's no doubt we should push for better relations with India, it's our best chance for a strong new ally...

C'mon Moledet... where's the constituency for any real overt support for Israel in India? Total jewish population is close to zero. The reality is overt support for Israel in India opens the door to a future flash point in an otherwise docile Indian muslim population. I see the same short-term cooperation you do, but the long term prospects are not too good. China's an even worse option for too many reasons to list here.

"Peak oil (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peak_oil)" means there are no good options. 2008 might as well be 1948 in terms of demographic, political (read corruption), and military challenges.

Talpiot needs to invent a new source of renewable energy and ditch the drone research if it wants to hit a home run in terms of Israeli security.

LRPV
08-21-2007, 01:46 AM
There's no doubt we should push for better relations with India, it's our best chance for a strong new ally. I think we are doing our best to strengthen the relations with some very large arms deals and extensive cooperation in space plans.


I wouldn't go pushing any panic buttons just yet. Even if the American Jewish lobby is in decline, it will take another generation or two for the Islamic lobby to develop the same or similar political acumen. The progress of such a developing Islamic lobby will be retarded by 'fall-out' from the GWOT. Israel is quite capable as an arms manufacturer, so rather than concentrate on arms, I would be nurturing international relationships to increase U.N. votes. I would be more concerned at the U.S. losing its veto in the U.N. Security Council than a loss of US$ tied grants.

Zerazax
08-21-2007, 03:43 AM
If you look at recent trends, actually, Israel has been looking at other supporters. Definitely not at the same level as the U.S., but to say they haven't exchanged arms, technology, etc. with countries such as China, India, Russia, etc. would be ignorant.

And they've definitely improved relations with China and India in recent years. In fact, IIRC, an article on Chinese soldiers being deployed to Lebanon as part of the UN force was hailed as being ideal because both Israel and the Arabs liked them for example. India, maybe not so neutral due to Pakistan, but they are still usually neutral in world affairs and wouldn't piss off either side nearly as much.

sinophile
08-21-2007, 10:11 PM
I wouldn't go pushing any panic buttons just yet. Even if the American Jewish lobby is in decline, it will take another generation or two for the Islamic lobby to develop the same or similar political acumen...

The Islamic lobby isn't in the US. Its in Jeddah, Lagos, and Jakarta - and its got a voice every bit as powerful as AIPAC - and growing more so if peak oil is for real. The best time to push the panic button is before you have to panic.

sinophile
08-21-2007, 10:13 PM
If you look at recent trends, actually, Israel has been looking at other supporters. Definitely not at the same level as the U.S., but to say they haven't exchanged arms, technology, etc. with countries such as China, India, Russia, etc. would be ignorant.

And they've definitely improved relations with China and India in recent years. In fact, IIRC, an article on Chinese soldiers being deployed to Lebanon as part of the UN force was hailed as being ideal because both Israel and the Arabs liked them for example. India, maybe not so neutral due to Pakistan, but they are still usually neutral in world affairs and wouldn't piss off either side nearly as much.

Loyalty among nations reduces down to national or political self-interest, period and end of story. The problem Israel needs to address is how to stay relevant in both categories in various world capitals. Right now the Chinese simply do not need Israel - if that is, Israel is honoring its no-export agreements with the US.