Hoon says pictures were fake

[Roger Rabbit]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/05/11/nirq11.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/05/11/ixnewstop.html


Mr Hoon made clear the Government now believed that photographs published in the Daily Mirror nine days ago, allegedly showing members of the Queen's Lancashire Regiment ill-treating a hooded Iraqi detainee, had been faked in Britain.
According to the Military Police Special Investigations Branch, there were "strong indications that the vehicle in which the photographs were taken was not in Iraq during the relevant period", he said.
Later, on Channel 4 News, Mr Hoon described the photographs as a "hoax".

Defence sources said the photographs appeared to have been "mocked up" at Kimberley barracks, Preston, using a four-ton Bedford MK lorry. The barracks is home to the TA's Lancastrian and Cumberland Volunteers.

A carefully worded statement issued by the Mirror left open the possibility that the photographs had been staged.

It said: "We remain absolutely confident that those pictures accurately illustrate a serious abuse of a detainee by members of the Queen's Lancashire Regiment."

[scm77]

Hopefully they are just staged.

[Hydro]

The deciding factor is that the model of truck the photos were taken in wasn't deployed to Iraq. It's pretty hairy deploying a Bedford 4 tonner outside of the base gates, never mind the desert.

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woot

in your face helex.

[M_S]

Well british soldiers are now accused of shooting unarmed civilians in a non threatening situation.

There sure are some rotten eggs in all armies!

[W(M)D]

The deciding factor is that the model of truck the photos were taken in wasn't deployed to Iraq. It's pretty hairy deploying a Bedford 4 tonner outside of the base gates, never mind the desert.

Wrong: Our unit had 4 tonners in Telic 1, they may have sent all 4 tonners back by Telic 2 but I doubt it! We used them on nearly all terrain.

For what it is worth, I think the photos are as fake as Jordan's breasts LOL

[king_nothing100]

Well british soldiers are now accused of shooting unarmed civilians in a non threatening situation.

There sure are some rotten eggs in all armies!

Well those just happen to be acusations from bull**** central itself, amnesty international. They couldn't give a toss about genocides happening in africa or anywhere else at the moment, but would rather cry like a little bitch at the whiff of the army doing their job.

They are supposed to have been faked at a TA base.

[W(M)D]

They are supposed to have been faked at a TA base.

Was that assumed on the basis that one of the pouches on the webbing in one photo was left open? LOL

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Well british soldiers are now accused of shooting unarmed civilians in a non threatening situation.

There sure are some rotten eggs in all armies!

rotten eggs? they wouldn't intend to shoot civilians. Shootings like that are often done by mistake, I remember seeing some footage last year US soldiers in the back of a truck responding to an incident speeding through a market and one of their bullets, stray or not hit a guy right in front of the camera in the head, he was completely unarmed and no-one around him was. The soldiers that shot him were not "rotten eggs" they didn't intend to shoot a civilian it happened in the confusion.

I'm not saying it's impossible for a nutter to get into the armed forces, I'm just saying that these soldiers are normal people therefore it was a mistake.

[weedman]

Faked photos... true torture... :|




Hope you realize, what is more important :roll:

[MEGR]

I hope this is true. Does anyone think that the photos could've been staged by some Anti-war folks in the UK?

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Faked photos... true torture... :|




Hope you realize, what is more important :roll:

well there was talk of torture this time last year why should we make more of a fuss now and not then.

and btw the significance of the photos being fake is that it gave iraqis fals reasons to attack brits in Iraq, which no matter how anti-war the british population is they won't stand for.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

I hope this is true. Does anyone think that the photos could've been staged by some Anti-war folks in the UK?
I am thinking its more of a case of someone looking for quick buck fake stories are fairly common in the tabloid media.

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I hope this is true. Does anyone think that the photos could've been staged by some Anti-war folks in the UK?

the tabloid it was published in was anti-war, purely for commercial reasond of course as the other major tabloid, the Sun was pro-war.

[ibstolidude]

Faked photos... true torture... :|
Hope you realize, what is more important
- your are right - when comparing the faking of the photos of british soldiers to the beheading of a Civilian reconstruction contractor by Iraqi murders, we SHOULD rememeber what is more important and what the media should be focused on. good point, thanks!!

[weedman]

Faked photos... true torture... :|
Hope you realize, what is more important
- your are right - when comparing the faking of the photos of british soldiers to the beheading of a Civilian reconstruction contractor by Iraqi murders, we SHOULD rememeber what is more important and what the media should be focused on. good point, thanks!!True torture = torture of every single human being (US and Arab) :roll:

[Truthsayer]

Yes, the pictures was most likely faked.

This is what happends when tabloid-magasins offers to much money for 'news'.
People start inventing them or 'finding' the evidence they ask for. >_<

[ibstolidude]

Faked photos... true torture... :|
Hope you realize, what is more important
- your are right - when comparing the faking of the photos of british soldiers to the beheading of a Civilian reconstruction contractor by Iraqi murders, we SHOULD rememeber what is more important and what the media should be focused on. good point, thanks!!True torture = torture of every single human being (US and Arab) :roll:
if that statement is true - where is the public outcry from the Arab world about the most recent events?

Aljazeera's cover page is about "Toll rises in Gaza Rampage." - and "Iraqi abuse dur to 'failure of leadership'" - the day the US photos were released, it was front page news. The day the Brit "photos" were released it was front page news. It IS a double standard.

I can list an amazing littany of news sources from the area that mention nothing, those same regional leaders who rightfully condemned the abuse by US MP's (although few Arab leaders actually did, as it would open scrutiny to their own abuses) are nowhere to be heard.

[GrantT]

Incredibly bad journalism at its best, can we really expect any better from a tabloid newspaper like The Mirror? Their defense now seems to be "even if the pictures are fake abuse was still happening in Iraq" which is a poor response to something which is so damaging to our armed forces.

Why The Mirror had to print pictures that were questionable instead of just writing an article, which was purely text based is beyond me. The government knew alleged abuse in prisons was going on in Basra and was investigating it, it didn't need pictures to kick start any investigation.

Hopefully this will be raised at PMQ's tomorrow and action will be taken against The Mirror.

[Roger Rabbit]

Its a great shame because of the damage inflicted on the British Army. Piss Morgan will never have to feel the brunt of the effects cause by the publication of these pictures. That will fall to some poor sod in Iraq.

[weedman]

Faked photos... true torture... :|
Hope you realize, what is more important
- your are right - when comparing the faking of the photos of british soldiers to the beheading of a Civilian reconstruction contractor by Iraqi murders, we SHOULD rememeber what is more important and what the media should be focused on. good point, thanks!!True torture = torture of every single human being (US and Arab) :roll:
if that statement is true - where is the public outcry from the Arab world about the most recent events?
If you mean torture by the US / UK, open your eyes, nearly every Arab feels infringed.

And concerning the beheading, all moderate Arabs, which are the majority, feel ashamed. Of course you can't know this when steadily denying sources like Al Jazira & others :roll:

[seruriermarshal]

Faked photos ...... wow , then this is Iraq sh*t lie to everyone .

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Faked photos ...... wow , then this is Iraq sh*t lie to everyone .
No its a British tabloid newspaper lie to everyone its nothing to do with the Iraq's.

[dacanadianbomb]

Its strange though that one never gets to read about how normal iraqi citizens think about hostage takers etc. I
With the exception of a article that included one persons feelings about Al-Sadrs army.

[Gringo]

I'm never gonna buy the Mirror again. I'll stick with the Sun, and page 3 :lol:

[oldsoak]

I'm never gonna buy the Mirror again. I'll stick with the Sun, and page 3 :lol:

are they...ahem...real..? :D

[seruriermarshal]

Faked photos ...... wow , then this is Iraq sh*t lie to everyone .
No its a British tabloid newspaper lie to everyone its nothing to do with the Iraq's.

Like BBC .

Or

Like this ?

http://cagle.slate.msn.com/working/040511/heller.gif

[Gringo]

I'm never gonna buy the Mirror again. I'll stick with the Sun, and page 3 :lol:

are they...ahem...real..? :D

what real?

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Like BBC .

Or

Like this ?

http://cagle.slate.msn.com/working/040511/heller.gif
Its the media what do you expect as for the BBC its one of the oldest and most respected media outlets but it does make mistakes don't forget its only one of many media outlets we have in the UK most people here draw there news from a variety of sources.

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I'm never gonna buy the Mirror again. I'll stick with the Sun, and page 3 :lol:

amen

[Roger Rabbit]

^word making sure my grandparents dont buy it either.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Can't ever remember buying the Mirror I hated that crook Maxwell long before he drowned, I will stick to the Scotsman (getting a bit dry these days) or the Glasgow Herald and I always buy the FT on a Saturday.

[Sabre]

Roger Rabbit wrote:

Its a great shame because of the damage inflicted on the British Army. Piss Morgan will never have to feel the brunt of the effects cause by the publication of these pictures. That will fall to some poor sod in Iraq.

Too true, just the other day it was announced that one of Sadr's aids had placed a bounty on british soldier's heads. He would give out cash to anyone who captured a british soldier, dead or alive.

BTW, he also stated that female soldiers would be used 'as slaves'.

Classy...