The President's poll numbers and 9/11 conspiracies.

[LMAV]

I was watching a History Channel special about 9/11 conspiracy theories and it got me thinking about the president's poll numbers. According to the show 36% of Americans beleive the government had something to do with 9/11. Now, Considering Bush has about a 35% approval rating, wouldn't the removal of those people give him a much higher rating? It seems like people who beleive that will beleive just about anything and vote democrat anyway.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1531304-1,00.html

The population of world No. 2 is larger than you might think. A Scripps-Howard poll of 1,010 adults last month found that 36% of Americans consider it "very likely" or "somewhat likely" that government officials either allowed the attacks to be carried out or carried out the attacks themselves. Thirty-six percent adds up to a lot of people. This is not a fringe phenomenon. It is a mainstream political reality.It also got me thinking abut the democrats and the language they use. They say things like "liars" and "criminals". They might not support the 9/11 conspiracies, but they defiantly stoke the flame. Thats another thread though.

[Hilbert]

I saw that documentary myself, and most, if not all of the conspiracy theories exhibit themselves as being the most impressive collection of BS I've seen in quite a while.

Also, I don't feel simply interviewing 1,010 people can be used to speak for millions of millions of people.

- Hildebert

[futurepilot2004]

I was watching a History Channel special about 9/11 conspiracy theories and it got me thinking about the president's poll numbers. According to the show 36% of Americans beleive the government had something to do with 9/11. Now, Considering Bush has about a 35% approval rating, wouldn't the removal of those people give him a much higher rating? It seems like people who beleive that will beleive just about anything and vote democrat anyway.

It also got me thinking abut the democrats and the language they use. They say things like "liars" and "criminals". They might not support the 9/11 conspiracies, but they defiantly stoke the flame. Thats another thread though.

Blah blah blah, your continued "the democrats and/or liberals are bastards" posts are getting tiresome. Have you nothing better to do with your life???

And learn how to spell...

[shocker1]

What does all this really matter anyway? I could care less about these type polls, 911 BS and most who just hate Bush. Disagree or whatever, hell I mostly disagree with him but he is my President. At some point you just let the man do his damn job.

[shocker1]

Blah blah blah, your continued "the democrats and/or liberals are bastards" posts are getting tiresome. Have you nothing better to do with your life???

And learn how to spell...
If you are going to attack people use some intelligence yourself and lay off the insults.

[futurepilot2004]

If you are going to attack people use some intelligence yourself and lay off the insults.

Sorry, but LMAVs post all have the same theme of Democrats/liberals/anyone who isn`t republican, is reponsible for all Americas woes. Its getting quite annoying. At least school is back soon and he`ll be gone hopefully.

[shocker1]

Sorry, but LMAVs post all have the same theme of Democrats/liberals/anyone who isn`t republican, is reponsible for all Americas woes. Its getting quite annoying. At least school is back soon and he`ll be gone hopefully.
I understand but he has made some good posts. Yes he should not be so pretentious about how people of different views think . He has had a rough bit and I think he learned a little here. I did not mean to sound so blunt, I should have said it in a nicer way. It is all good now.

Seems I stuck my neck out a little for him he better not start any **** around here.p-)

[2Sheds_Jackson]

Of the general population of we humans who have managed to restrain our deviances enough to stay out of jail and hospitals - I think there's still a pretty good percentage who are mentally ill, or delusional, or both. Doing math, operating machinery, and answering surveys is the easy stuff - it's abstract thinking and coping with the unknowable that reveals the inner kook.

[Mu-Meson]

While people who tick the democrat box are more heavily represented among the 9-11 "troofers" it isn't entirely so. Ron Paul ring a bell? How about Alex Jones?
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=118601
If he thinks the evil neo-cons are out to "KILL EVERYBODY!!!!!" then 9-11 conspiracies are bound to be bouncing around his vacuous head.

[nullterm]

I was watching a History Channel special about 9/11 conspiracy theories and it got me thinking about the president's poll numbers. According to the show 36% of Americans beleive the government had something to do with 9/11. Now, Considering Bush has about a 35% approval rating, wouldn't the removal of those people give him a much higher rating? It seems like people who beleive that will beleive just about anything and vote democrat anyway.

Just be glad you live in a country where people are free to think what they want. People have every right to question the gov't actions. Whether there's something to it or not.

If you're going to remove the population from the vote that question everything the gov't does, then you should also remove people from the other extreme. Those who blindly obey everything the gov't says or does.

Both sides balance each other out, with the moderates filling up the gap in the middle.

[TheSteve]

Just be glad you live in a country where people are free to think what they want. People have every right to question the gov't actions. Whether there's something to it or not.

If you're going to remove the population from the vote that question everything the gov't does, then you should also remove people from the other extreme. Those who blindly obey everything the gov't says or does.

Both sides balance each other out, with the moderates filling up the gap in the middle.

Some sense in the thread.

LMAV, I don't post much here but recently I have read posts by you attacking the "left" and "liberals". The bottom line is, any extreme is not good, weather it be left or right. And you are making it seem like those 36% are crazy, and undeserving. That mentality is not healthy. You should look from every perspective, even if you don't agree with it.

[Calanen]

Most people are comparatively stupid in terms of being able to understand their surroundings (not in comparison to other humans, the bar is low), and do not go much beyond eating, drinking, sexing (if they are lucky), sleeping - not much more than animals in human clothes really.

Their capacity for abstract thought amounts to whatever they can parrot from op-ed pieces, and sometimes such parroting is from the loony troofers. The same people who say vaccines are a conspiracy of drug companies, that modern medicine makes people sicker and we all need to just suck herbal sunflower remedies to be really well...

How can you plan to direct and educate such people - keep it simple. Make it interesting. Tell them what they want to hear.

People don't like the government. It makes them pay taxes and tells them what to do. Bummer. So anything, no matter how outrageous, concerning the government doing bad things is likely to be believed by a hell of a lot of people. If they thought about it at all, perhaps rationally, they would not believe it - but the trouble is, they never think about anything more than what mustard they want on their hot dog at the baseball game.

[nullterm]

Some sense in the thread.

LMAV, I don't post much here but recently I have read posts by you attacking the "left" and "liberals". The bottom line is, any extreme is not good, weather it be left or right. And you are making it seem like those 36% are crazy, and undeserving. That mentality is not healthy. You should look from every perspective, even if you don't agree with it.

I find people in the middle just have to be a bit louder and more persistent then they've tended to be lately. :)

[grenadier07]

It's been only 6 years since 9/11 happened. With an unpopular president and people dissatisfied with government in general I think it is only natural that some people look for other reasons as to why this happened even if those reasons aren't logical. Look at Pearl Harbor or JFK's assassination. It has been 66 and 44 years respectively for those 2 events and there are people to this day that think FDR knew the Japanese were coming and allowed them to attack so he could have a good pretext to get actively involved with the war, and as far as JFK is concerned we all know that LBJ hired a hitman to kill him so he could become president. p-)

[LMAV]

Blah blah blah, your continued "the democrats and/or liberals are bastards" posts are getting tiresome. Have you nothing better to do with your life???

And learn how to spell...

Whats misspelled? I'm actually very nitpicky about making sure everything is spelled correctly.

[LMAV]

Sorry, but LMAVs post all have the same theme of Democrats/liberals/anyone who isn`t republican, is reponsible for all Americas woes. Its getting quite annoying. At least school is back soon and he`ll be gone hopefully.

You are saying that the democrats are in no way helping the 9/11 conspiracies? With so many people believing it, the Democrats don't have to endorse the conspiracy, all they have to do is quietly stoke it by throwing out insults like that have been over the last few years. Its an affront to the heroes who gave their lives on that day and I think it could be used against the democrats in the upcoming election.


I understand but he has made some good posts. Yes he should not be so pretentious about how people of different views think . He has had a rough bit and I think he learned a little here. I did not mean to sound so blunt, I should have said it in a nicer way. It is all good now.

Seems I stuck my neck out a little for him he better not start any **** around here.p-)

Thanks man, I appreciate the backup. These same people complaining are the first to constantly complain about republicans, so its all good. :)

[big_les]

No doubt there's an element of left-leaners who will answer in somewhat positive terms to poll questions about Bush involvement/complicity in 9/11. Asked outright, I think most would reluctantly admit there's just no evidence for it. There's a whole spectrum of conspiracy believers, from those who happen to agree with the political sentiment (in this case liberals) to the out and out frootloop tin-foil-hatters. There're also plenty of left wingers who find it as abhorrent as the republicans do.

Many people here dislike Bush and US foreign policy, but join in on the conspiracy mockery because it's plainly such BS. In fact it's counterproductive for a mainstream liberal to buy into that BS because you'll be (rightly) written off as a tool.

[shocker1]

You are saying that the democrats are in no way helping the 9/11 conspiracies?



Thanks man. These same people complaining are the first to constantly complain about republicans, so its all good. :)
Name a Democratic candidate that does directly help idiots like Alex Jones? I mean really how much credit are you willing to give the DNC? Do you really think the DNC propagates this myth? If they do I should would love to have the evidence of DNC monies supporting conspiracy filth.

Then agian you are right about those that attack the character of those who support Conservative views. The one's who wine about being called out are usually guilty of something themselves. I suggest you be more independent in your thinking because toting the party line is exactly what you as a citizen should not do. The current Republican leadership is not Conservative and the current Democratic leadership is not liberal. Both parties have been hijacked by political extremists.

[LMAV]

Name a Democratic candidate that does directly help idiots like Alex Jones? I mean really how much credit are you willing to give the DNC? Do you really think the DNC propagates this myth? If they do I should would love to have the evidence of DNC monies supporting conspiracy filth.



Yes, I think they do by using language like liar, criminal and the way they are trying to always start some kind of scandal. It all plays right in to the conspiracies and in the end, helps the democrats to secure power.

[shocker1]

Yes, I think they do by using language like liar, criminal and the way they are trying to always start some kind of scandal. It all plays right in to the conspiracies and in the end, helps the democrats to secure power.
HEHE, now when did the GOP/RNC not engage in that behavior? I find what the Democrats say to be ignorant and insulting too. However our nation was damaged by the "right wing conspiracy" scandals and these "scandals" hampered Clinton's ability to deal with Saddam. Did you keep up with politics in the 90's?

[LMAV]

HEHE, now when did the GOP/RNC not engage in that behavior? I find what the Democrats say to be ignorant and insulting too. However our nation was damaged by the "right wing conspiracy" scandals and these "scandals" hampered Clinton's ability to deal with Saddam. Did you keep up with politics in the 90's?

Absolutely and I agree to a point. I think what McCain and the republicans did regarding Somalia was shameful and destructive. We know now that their actions led to the series of attacks the culminated in 9/11.

Thats being said, what the democrats are pulling here is a bit more dangerous. They are helping to legitimize a conspiracy that hurts this country in many ways. Its just as destructive, if not more so than what the Republicans pulled in the 90s.

[budgie]

I was watching a History Channel special about 9/11 conspiracy theories and it got me thinking about the president's poll numbers. According to the show 36% of Americans beleive the government had something to do with 9/11. Now, Considering Bush has about a 35% approval rating, wouldn't the removal of those people give him a much higher rating? It seems like people who beleive that will beleive just about anything and vote democrat anyway.


Seems like someone's trying to lump all Dems and dissident Republicans or independents in with the 'tin foil hat' brigade. Or perhaps just to conflate people who 'don't belive in 9/11' with those who don't support Bush.

I'd say the show got their numbers wrong - I doubt any notable percentage of Americans at all believe the government somehow had something to do with 9/11. Many people might hold them responsible through negligence...but that's a different story and lemme guess: they're just moonbats, right?

[LMAV]

Seems like someone's trying to lump all Dems and dissident Republicans or independents in with the 'tin foil hat' brigade. Or perhaps just to conflate people who 'don't belive in 9/11' with those who don't support Bush.

I'd say the show got their numbers wrong - I doubt any notable percentage of Americans at all believe the government somehow had something to do with 9/11. Many people might hold them responsible through negligence...but that's a different story and lemme guess: they're just moonbats, right?

Well, I actually backed the shows numbers up with Time Magazines article in the OP. I'd say thats a confirmed number.

You claim I'm "lumping" democrats in to some tin foil hat category, but they do it themselves. DO you deny that they use that inflammatory language on purpose? Are you suggesting their language doesn't embolden the conspiracy theorists?

My point is that Bush's numbers are actually higher, if such a high percentage of people think he has something to do with 9/11 and that the democrats quietly support those conspiracies because it helps them to get power.

[nhn21]

Well, I actually backed the shows numbers up with Time Magazines article in the OP. I'd say thats a confirmed number.

You claim I'm "lumping" democrats in to some tin foil hat category, but they do it themselves. DO you deny that they use that inflammatory language on purpose? Are you suggesting their language doesn't embolden the conspiracy theorists?

My point is that Bush's numbers are actually higher, if such a high percentage of people think he has something to do with 9/11 and that the democrats quietly support those conspiracies because it helps them to get power.


You can also look at it the other way. More than 30 percent of Americans still believe that Iraq was behind 9/11 and that we found WMDs in Iraq. Should we dismiss them too,if that is the case, his poll number should be lower still.

[shocker1]

You can also look at it the other way. More than 30 percent of Americans still believe that Iraq was behind 9/11 and that we found WMDs in Iraq. Should we dismiss them too,if that is the case, his poll number should be lower still.
Please show me that poll.

[nhn21]

Please show me that poll.

Gladly. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19390791/site/newsweek/

[shocker1]

Even today, more than four years into the war in Iraq, as many as four in 10 Americans (41 percent) still believe Saddam Hussein’s regime was directly involved in financing, planning or carrying out the terrorist attacks on 9/11,HEHE thanks you must post sources when say stuff like that. I find both polls a little fudged as I know lots of people and none I personally know believes any of that. I own a business and am active in local politics. Then again this is just my neck of the woods. I have worked in 30 states and 5 countries though and I will say people will believe anything. Especially if the Government denies it. Makes for good books.

Grain of salt is called for.

Results are based on telephone interviews with 1,001 adults, 18 and older, conducted June 18-19, 2007. Results are weighted so that the sample demographics match Census Current Population Survey parameters for gender, age, education, race, region, and population density. The overall margin of sampling error is plus or minus 4 percentage points. In addition to sampling error, the practical difficulties of conducting surveys can also introduce error or bias to poll results.

[budgie]

I think Shocker has hit the nail on the head here. Homer Simpson said something about polls didn't he?

[LMAV]

I think Shocker has hit the nail on the head here. Homer Simpson said something about polls didn't he?

Yes yes, when they are about Bush or Republicans they are gospel, but otherwise they are crap.

[shocker1]

Yes yes, when they are about Bush or Republicans they are gospel, but otherwise they are crap.
My point was they are all crap designed to gravitate public opinion in a certain direction. This is the function of political polls. Not many say "of the Americans polled", rather most polls assume by mathematical logic how America has a whole thinks. The only polls I even gave an ear to are election polls. The more 911 polls like this you see the more gullible people think that there is something to it.