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ZhukovG
08-26-2007, 12:50 PM
Found today here (http://defensenews.com/story.php?F=2989399&C=america)


Region Must Be Wary of Venezuela: U.S. Official
By *******, BOGOTA



Venezuela’s regional neighbors should be ready to respond to a potential threat from President Hugo Chavez’s arms build-up, which could be used to intimidate rather than for self-defense, a senior U.S. defense official said on Aug. 23.
Chavez, a self-styled socialist staunchly opposed to Washington, has irked the White House by spending billions of dollars on Russian fighter jets, attack helicopters and Kalashnikov rifles to refurbish the military.
The Bush administration has banned U.S. arms sales to Venezuela, criticized Chavez’s purchase of jets from Moscow and said his plans to build rifle factories raise concerns about weapons reaching guerrillas in neighboring Colombia.
"It seems as if a build up of this character doesn’t really respond to the reality on the ground there," U.S. Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Western Hemisphere Affairs Stephen Johnson told reporters during a visit Bogota.
"It has an effect of intimidating neighbors ... and democracies in the region need to be able to respond to this in a way that will help reduce this kind of threat," he said.
Johnson said governments should turn to diplomacy as "the first line of defense" and work through groups such as the Organization of American States in Washington.
Chavez, a former soldier popular for his heavy spending on social programs for the poor, says he is training the armed forces to repel a possible U.S. attack. He says the weapons purchases are needed to modernize Venezuela’s armed forces.
The Venezuelan leadep, a close ally of Cuba and Iran, says he wants to forge a regional alliance to counter U.S. foreign and trade policies. But U.S. officials and critics brand him a would-be dictator who has undermined Venezuela’s democracy.
Colombia is Washington’s strongest ally in a region where left-wing leaders such as Chavez have gained ground. President Alvaro Uribe has received billions of dollars in U.S. aid to fight left-wing rebels and cocaine trafficking that helps fuel the country’s four-decade-old war.

Ghelp
08-26-2007, 01:01 PM
What else is the reason for buying 8 submarines.I can understand the Ak-103's and even the Su-30's.

sinophile
08-26-2007, 06:26 PM
What else is the reason for buying 8 submarines.I can understand the Ak-103's and even the Su-30's.

Oil rich Lake Mariciaba area. Columbian oil claims vs. Venezuelan.

Xaito
08-26-2007, 08:02 PM
What else is the reason for buying 8 submarines.

maybe keeping aircraft carriers off its coast?

Mr Gently Benevolent
08-27-2007, 03:48 PM
Hugo is only hedging against a regime change, I doubt his endeavours will prevent protect him but he is going to make any change a non-trivial matter.

Kilgor
08-27-2007, 04:31 PM
Hugo is only hedging against a regime change, I doubt his endeavours will prevent protect him but he is going to make any change a non-trivial matter.

Yeah, hedging against these rotten things called elections.

Rictor
08-27-2007, 06:51 PM
Of course! Because as we all know, top-of-the-line Russian submarines are perfect for silencing dissent, stealing elections and protecting against any and all waterborne coup-plotters.

Please. Chile is buying subs, how come no one complains about that? It's not like Chavez's eight measly subs are going to take over Latin America.

Kilgor
08-27-2007, 08:42 PM
Of course! Because as we all know, top-of-the-line Russian submarines are perfect for silencing dissent, stealing elections and protecting against any and all waterborne coup-plotters.

Please. Chile is buying subs, how come no one complains about that? It's not like Chavez's eight measly subs are going to take over Latin America.

Because no one in the region wants a banana republic dictator with those kind of weapons.

No one is complaining about Chile, because their El presidente doesn't have the power to rule by decree, isn't trying to change the constitution for indefinite terms and isn't cracking down on independent or opposition media ...just to name a few.

Venezuela is starting to stink like every other communist paradise turd ever did. No one wants another Cuba in the region.

number nine
08-28-2007, 01:58 AM
Chavez will take over the world with these eight subs you say? And what about Pervez Musharraf, dictator also, you are not concerned about him Kilgor?

CyberSpec
08-28-2007, 04:09 AM
Venezuela to Buy 98 Civilian Planes From Russia

http://calibre.mworld.com/m/m.w?lp=GetStory&id=267656721 (http://calibre.mworld.com/m/m.w?lp=GetStory&id=267656721)

PanzerMaster
08-28-2007, 05:40 AM
Whenever there is oil and something doesn't go according to the wishes of US corporations* (ahem I meant US government but they are synonims nowadays) we have evil ugly zomG!!11!! terrorists uber dictators DELTA!11! haxorer!!111!!

BTW, I don't know how will behave Mr. Chavez, but I hope that things will improve in all of South America. A lot of people deserve a better life, some goverments in the area took a socialist way... lets time judges them.

*Disclaimer: bashing a generic evil as "US Corporation(s)" is widely used in many no-global/commies/hippie/punk environments.
Being not part of one of them I simply summarized with that term a helluva lot more of factors, conditions, actors that required a more profound analysis that your "average-street protestor-pacificist-flag-burning idiot" can't ever dream to make.

timetraveller
08-28-2007, 05:48 AM
Just because he doesn't play ball with the US Admin ..


Where does it say in the rule book No where !!

Rictor
08-28-2007, 09:32 AM
Because no one in the region wants a banana republic dictator with those kind of weapons.

No one is complaining about Chile, because their El presidente doesn't have the power to rule by decree, isn't trying to change the constitution for indefinite terms and isn't cracking down on independent or opposition media ...just to name a few.

Venezuela is starting to stink like every other communist paradise turd ever did. No one wants another Cuba in the region.

First off, neither you nor I can speak as to what the people of Latin America do or don't want. And in any case, it's not their decision. As long as Venezuelans keep electing him, he can buy laser-equipped sharks for all I care.

Listen, my opinion of Chavez has recently started to sour, but that doesn't mean that much of what he's criticized for isn't baseless and sensationalized. Many democratic countries have no term limits. Many countries are undertaking military modernization programs. These are legitimate policy decisions. Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, just to name two examples, are both undemocratic tyrannies, far more so than Venezuela, and yet both are recipients of billions of dollars in modern military equipment from Uncle Sam.

Unfriendly towards the US != crazed, despotic, expansionist nutjob.

Trogdor
08-28-2007, 11:03 AM
maybe keeping aircraft carriers off its coast?

Venezuelan Submariners aren't going to keep a US Strike Group off its coast.