Where Was red cross? AMnesty? where!!

[Navid]

I dont want to start a thread that will get closed regarding nick berg the guy who got dicapated by the muslim thugs but i have a question..

Wheres the red cross? wheres amnesty?? apparently it seems these liberal communists are CRAWLING all over our prisones like rats WAITING.. HOPING some american slips up before they expose the evil americans.. but what about those poor russian soilders in chechnya? what about the thousands that get executed by these islamic thugs.. RED CROSS is no where to be found.. america is made to be held to a certian standard THAT NO COUNTRY can fulfull.. i wonder if there well be a SENATE hearing on this poor guy that was killed? united states needs to tear up the geneva convention papers and STOP HOLDING it self accountable to these terrorist supporters..

[One?]

If a muslim kills a sheep he has to do it with a sharp knife and can only do it once. If he keeps going back and forth with the knife then it is considered torutre. Those fukheads are not muslims. I am a muslim and I get my hands on them I will kill them. So please stop refering to them as muslims and refer to them as al-qaeda or the zarqawi thugs.

[seruriermarshal]

Red cross is sh*t ! Allies have law , but AQ only know kill all of people , so red cross only attack allies , they are afraid behead if they attack AQ .

[Truthsayer]

Another flame-thread of Navid.

I not sure, but wouldn't the precense of 'liberal communists' and the Red Cross indicate that they new where he was?

And wouldn't you be more upset if they did and he died anyway?

[rokus2595]

...regarding nick berg the guy who got dicapated...

War is hell

(to quote what's often been said in these forums lately about Iraqi casualties)

[Mark Sman]

War is hell

Executing civillian prisoners isn't war.

Its murder. Look it up.

[seruriermarshal]

PARTIAL LIST OF ISLAMIC TERRORIST ACTIVITIES

1968 Robert Kennedy assassinated
1972 Munich Olympics Sep-5,1972 (Black September)
1976 Entebbe Hostage Crisis, June 27, 1976
1979 Iran Hostage Crisis, Nov. 4, 1979 444 days
1979 Grand Mosque Seizure, Nov 20,1979
1981 Assassination of Egyptian President, Oct 6,1981
1982 Assassination of Lebanese Prime Minister, Sept 14, 1982
1983 Bombing of US Embassy in Beirut6, April 18,1983
1983 Bombing of Maring Barricks, Beruit, Oct 23,1983
1984 Hizballah Restaurant Bombing, April 12,1984
1985 Egyptian Airliner Hijacking, Nov 23,1985
1985 Rome Airport murders
1985 TWA Flight 847 hijacked, U.S. Navy diver murdered
1985 Achille Lauro hijacking, Homacidal maniac lived in saddams Iraq
1986 Aircraft Bombing in Greece, March 30, 1986
1988 Pan Am 747 Flight 103 Bombing, Lockerbie, 100's murdered
1988 Berlin Discoteque Bombing, Dec 21,1988
1992 Bombing in Israeli Embassy in Argentina, March 17,1992
1993 Attempted Assassination of Pres. Bush Sr., April 14,1993
1993 First World Trade Center bombing, February 26th, 7 Killed, Hundreds injured, Billions
1994 Air France Hijacking, Dec 24,1994
1995 Attack on US Diplomats in Pakistan, Mar 8,1995
1995 Saudi Military Installation Attack, Nov 13, 1995
1995 Kashmiri Hostage taking, July 4,1995
1996 Khobar Towers attack
1996 Sudanese Missionarys Kidnapping, Aug 17,1996
1996 Paris Subway Explosion, Dec 3,1996
1997 Israeli Shopping Mall Bombing, Sept 4, 1997
1997 Yemeni Kidnappings, Oct 30,1997
1998 Somali Hostage taking crisis, April 15,1998
1998 U.S. Embassy Bombing in Peru, Jan 15, 1998
1998 U.S. Kenya Embassy blown up, 100's murdered
1998 U.S. Tanzania Embassy blown up, 100's murdered
1999 Plot to blow up Space Needle (thwarted)
2000 USS Cole attacked, many U.S. Navy sailors murdered
2000-2003 Intifada against Israel - 100's dead and injured
2000 Manila Bombing, Dec 30,2000
2001 4 Commercial airliners hijacked, 250+ murdered
2001 World Trade Center attacked, 2800+ murdered
2001 Flight 93 murders
2001 Pentagon attacked, 180+ murdered
2002 Reporter Daniel Pearl, kidnapped and murdered
2002 Philippines American missionary, Filipino nurse killed
2002 July 4, El Al attack Los Angeles LAX, several murdered
2002 Bali bombing - 200 dead, 300 injured
2002 Yemen, French Oil Tanker attacked
2002 Marines attacked / murdered in Kuwait
2002 Washington D.C. sniper
2002 Russian Theater attacked, 100+ dead
2002 Nigerian riots against Miss World Pageant, 200 dead, dozens injured
2002 Mombasa Hotel Attacked, 12 dead, dozens injured
2002 Israeli Boeing 757 attacked by missiles, fortunately no one injured
2002 August Hotel bombing in Jakarta, Indonesia. 12 dead, dozens injured.
2003 Rusian concert bombing
2003 Phillipines airport and market bombing
2003 Foiled SAM plot in the USA
2003 UN Baghdad HQ Bombing
on and on and on and on their terrorism has gone .........



Where are red cross ?

[Truthsayer]

Are you kidding?

Do you even know what the Red Cross do?

[seruriermarshal]

Maintain the Geneva Convention .

[catdat]

seruriermarshal
You can take the first one off. Evidence is not pointing that way.

[Truthsayer]

Maintain the Geneva Convention .

:cantbeli:





The mission
The International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) is an impartial, neutral and independent organization whose exclusively humanitarian mission is to protect the lives and dignity of victims of war and internal violence and to provide them with assistance. It directs and coordinates the international relief activities conducted by the Movement in situations of conflict. It also endeavours to prevent suffering by promoting and strengthening humanitarian law and universal humanitarian principles.

Established in 1863, the ICRC is at the origin of the International Red Cross and Red Crescent Movement.


International Committee of the Red Cross

http://www.icrc.org/



Get educated.

[seruriermarshal]

seruriermarshal
You can take the first one off. Evidence is not pointing that way.

Why ? anti terrorist is war .

[seruriermarshal]

Maintain the Geneva Convention .

:cantbeli:





The mission
The International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) is an impartial, neutral and independent organization whose exclusively humanitarian mission is to protect the lives and dignity of victims of war and internal violence and to provide them with assistance. It directs and coordinates the international relief activities conducted by the Movement in situations of conflict. It also endeavours to prevent suffering by promoting and strengthening humanitarian law and universal humanitarian principles.

Established in 1863, the ICRC is at the origin of the International Red Cross and Red Crescent Movement.


International Committee of the Red Cross

http://www.icrc.org/



Get educated.

to protect the lives and dignity of victims of war and internal violence and to provide them with assistance.

anti terrorist is war .

[Maine Finn]

Red Cross and Amnesty International and other such organisations simply cannot be everywhere, though they may try. It's unfair to blame them in any way for being unable to give their attention to every bad situation that crops up.

Remember that these organisations are staffed by people, not machines. They really can only do so much.

~Emily

[Truthsayer]

to protect the lives and dignity of victims of war and internal violence and to provide them with assistance.


Exactly - it doesn't say 'be the police and arrest any thugs that takes hostages'.

What the hell where they supposed to do when some ****heads kidnapp a civilian in Iraq? Start their own investigations by sending doctors...uh...police-officers and track'em down?

Get real.

This is yet another bashing-thread from an extremist.

[seruriermarshal]

Red Cross and Amnesty International and other such organisations simply cannot be everywhere, though they may try. It's unfair to blame them in any way for being unable to give their attention to every bad situation that crops up.

Remember that these organisations are staffed by people, not machines. They really can only do so much.

~Emily

But can't only attack allies , Red cross must attack terrorist , yes , In Iraq allies have some mistake , but allies have law , the terrorist have anything ?

[catdat]

seruriermarshal

The evidence is very flimsy against Sirhan Sirhan. I'd expound but it's off topic.

In any case this is not terrorism. There has never been any evidence of terroism. The official line is "lone nut".

[Maine Finn]

Red Cross and Amnesty International and other such organisations simply cannot be everywhere, though they may try. It's unfair to blame them in any way for being unable to give their attention to every bad situation that crops up.

Remember that these organisations are staffed by people, not machines. They really can only do so much.

~Emily

But can't only attack allies , Red cross must attack terrorist , yes , In Iraq allies have some mistake , but allies have law , the terrorist have anything ?

Red Cross is an aid organisation, not an aggressive combat unit.

[usa320]

This pisses me the **** off... Everyone throws a ****fit because we stripped some guys and did nothing more than humiliate them. These guys were mostly criminals anyways.

But when terrorists and thugs maim and decapitate a civilian working to rebuild Iraq, no one says anything. Its disgusting. Sure i find the photos from Abu Gharib disturbing, but comparing acts of humiliation to brutal murder and physical torture is just wrong.

[seruriermarshal]

Red Cross and Amnesty International and other such organisations simply cannot be everywhere, though they may try. It's unfair to blame them in any way for being unable to give their attention to every bad situation that crops up.

Remember that these organisations are staffed by people, not machines. They really can only do so much.

~Emily

But can't only attack allies , Red cross must attack terrorist , yes , In Iraq allies have some mistake , but allies have law , the terrorist have anything ?


Red Cross is an aid organisation, not an aggressive combat unit.

My meaning is they attack allies , pass their mouth .

[Maine Finn]

Red Cross and Amnesty International and other such organisations simply cannot be everywhere, though they may try. It's unfair to blame them in any way for being unable to give their attention to every bad situation that crops up.

Remember that these organisations are staffed by people, not machines. They really can only do so much.

~Emily

But can't only attack allies , Red cross must attack terrorist , yes , In Iraq allies have some mistake , but allies have law , the terrorist have anything ?


Red Cross is an aid organisation, not an aggressive combat unit.

My meaning is they attack allies , pass their mouth .

What?

[Truthsayer]

seruriermarshal, usa320>>What exactly do you want?

Them to tell the bandits that they are 'bad'?
It's not even closely within their missions-description.

(Add: It's not the gangsters don't already know they are 'bad'. Not sure what you are hoping the Red Cross would admend too.)

[seruriermarshal]

to protect the lives and dignity of victims of war and internal violence and to provide them with assistance.


Exactly - it doesn't say 'be the police and arrest any thugs that takes hostages'.

What the hell where they supposed to do when some f*** kidnapp a civilian in Iraq? Start their own investigations by sending doctors...uh...police-officers and track'em down?

Get real.

This is yet another bashing-thread from an extremist.

In fact , When saddam attack kurd , where are red cross ? when saddam capture alive , we watch red cross .

[seruriermarshal]

seruriermarshal, usa320>>What exactly do you want?

Them to tell the bandits that they are 'bad'?
It's not even closely within their missions-description.

Red cross unfair .

[Maine Finn]

to protect the lives and dignity of victims of war and internal violence and to provide them with assistance.


Exactly - it doesn't say 'be the police and arrest any thugs that takes hostages'.

What the hell where they supposed to do when some f*** kidnapp a civilian in Iraq? Start their own investigations by sending doctors...uh...police-officers and track'em down?

Get real.

This is yet another bashing-thread from an extremist.

In fact , When saddam attack kurd , where are red cross ? when saddam capture alive , we watch red cross .



seruriermarshal, usa320>>What exactly do you want?

Them to tell the bandits that they are 'bad'?
It's not even closely within their missions-description.

Red cross unfair .


Red Cross and Amnesty International and other such organisations simply cannot be everywhere, though they may try. It's unfair to blame them in any way for being unable to give their attention to every bad situation that crops up.

[Truthsayer]

http://www.icrc.org/Web/eng/siteeng0.nsf/iwpList74/51AC363728B86736C1256B66005A0EA5

http://www.icrc.org/Web/eng/siteeng0.nsf/iwpList74/33EFB976E0818430C1256B66005AD403

http://www.icrc.org/Web/eng/siteeng0.nsf/iwpList74/BD69911C75603219C1256B660058D30B

http://www.icrc.org/Web/eng/siteeng0.nsf/iwpList74/C3B373535A2E2C6EC1256B66005A28A1

and so on...

Type 'kurd' in the search-field.

I still don't think you have a clue what the Red Cross does.

[seruriermarshal]

http://www.icrc.org/Web/eng/siteeng0.nsf/iwpList74/51AC363728B86736C1256B66005A0EA5

http://www.icrc.org/Web/eng/siteeng0.nsf/iwpList74/33EFB976E0818430C1256B66005AD403

http://www.icrc.org/Web/eng/siteeng0.nsf/iwpList74/BD69911C75603219C1256B660058D30B

http://www.icrc.org/Web/eng/siteeng0.nsf/iwpList74/C3B373535A2E2C6EC1256B66005A28A1

and so on...

Type 'kurd' in the search-field.

I still don't think you have a clue what the Red Cross does.

Ok , my meaning is why red cross don't condemn saddam attack kurd ? like they condemn allies mistake in Iraq .

[Truthsayer]

You still don't understand what the Red Cross do?

The Amnesty monitors the 'abuse' of prisoners and so on.
The Red Cross makes sure refugees and so on, get help, weather it be medical, food, shelter.

I gave you the link to their website so you can read and learn.

[seruriermarshal]

You still don't understand what the Red Cross do?

The Amnesty monitors the 'abuse' of prisoners and so on.
The Red Cross makes sure refugees and so on, get help, weather it be medical, food, shelter.

I gave you the link to their website so you can read and learn.

And they say : humanistic calamities .

[Ichhabe]

The International Red Cross send a report to the USA regarding the abuse on prisoners months ago. Did the IRC make a press conferance on that? No, they did it in silence. They have not come out and critisiced the US. Government for that at all.

Their aim is to stay neutral so they can work on both sides in a conflict or war.

Navid has yet again showed himself as a clueless ignorant. Ignore his flame baits, he is just a troll.

[Bootneck]

Deleted. An "emotional" post that's a bit off topic.

[ogukuo72]

I have a lot of respect for the Red Cross/Red Crescent. They go to some very dangerous places to help victims of war and disasters, often without protection. They are brave in their own way.

Amnesty International is another matter. I can't imagine how people who spend most of their time in London can actually have a grasp of what the situation on the ground really is like. They get their facts wrong sometimes. A good example happened to my country. AI accused us of executing 400 prisoners over the past four years, whereas the actual figure was closer to 40.

How did they explain the discrepency? We conduct secret executions.

Really! :roll:

[OB Kenobi]

PARTIAL LIST OF ISLAMIC TERRORIST ACTIVITIES

1968 Robert Kennedy assassinated

Lyndon Johnson did that.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

I dont want to start a thread that will get closed



Wheres the red cross? wheres amnesty?? apparently it seems these liberal communists are CRAWLING all over our prisones like rats
Yeah sure you don't want to start **** "liberal communists" have some sense man.
The Red Cross and AI also highlight the abuses of despot governments and terror groups and publish the reports but what the media picks up on is the above groups reports on coalition abuses, yes its not fair but thats the media for you.

[weedman]

The first post of this thread is so ludicrously unobjective, that don't even start to argue.

Agryll, if you like filtering out many threads in order to obtain high-quality threads, you should in my personal opinion also consider locking threads like this.

[Midav]

The first post of this thread is so ludicrously unobjective, that don't even start to argue.

Agryll, if you like filtering out many threads in order to obtain high-quality threads, you should in my personal opinion also consider locking threads like this.

It has a point, though.

[fdt]

When in XIV Century AD Britons have introduced the longbow archers to the battlefield, French complained that it's against the rules of the civilized war that sholud be fought by heavy armored noble cavalry. The same was with introduction of crossbow, firearms, submarines etc... Introducing a new warfare, more efficient and adjusted to enemy's weakness was always a subject of complaints.

Now in the WOT we have a new weapon (or rather a mix of them) introduced: Bloody attacks on civilians + slaughtering civilians + hiding behind own civilians backs and letting the enemy kill them as collateral + most important: airing all of this on TV what is supposed to kill the minds of spectators... poisoning them with doubt, disbelief and fear.

They hit West where it is most vulnerable... because it's efficient. Then come HRW or AI and critricise the means of war applied by West (that are adjusted to the actual threat) and say "it's all against the rules f the civilized man's war" or "It can not go like this"... Well do we want to loose this war? (I deliberately don't mention winning) If yes, let's follow the "good advice" of the "Good War" ambassadors... If not, the means applied must evolve accordingly to the threat. It's simple rule: evolve or die.

BTW: Does someone feel, that there is some kinda of WOT doctrine? Is there any plan, tactics, idea how to fight these scumbags efficiently... or it's just a FUBAR of the kid lost in the mist? Huh, what do U think?

PS: Despite all respect for the soldiers of the Coalition who fight in Iraq, I think (and will say it for the first time here) THAT PAUL BREMER IS A MORON... fcukin' looser who doesn't have a slightest idea what to do. There are soldiers who pay the blood price for his learning the basics on site... :cantbeli:

[Argyll]

Good morning,
I log in a see a ****storm everywhere,looks like my fellow Mods have been busy.
Ok there are people trolling this site,and will be dealt with in the coming days.

To the topic on Hand.
Weedman,I am human and like most humans I have to sleep,I cannot be here 24/7,which is just as well as people are failing to read forum rules or the sticky by Tane.
Ok from where I see it,and this is based on my opinion of the IRC and AI,
Generally the Red Cross does really good work,they are charity,and sure they cannot be every where at the same time,the Administartion in Iraq under the CPA allowed them access to the Iraqi's being held,which to my knowledge the same access to "Captives"held by insurgents was not allowed.Immediately this creates a conflict of interest here,and the same goes for Amnesty Int,and more so them,they(AI) see one side and then light the fuse and leave,without making any comparrisons or estimates on the treatment being dealt to the "Captives",what they say and do ,they believe to the truths and rights,they fail to carry out thorough investigations,but are quick to damn those in Authority,why they even exist is beyond me,as nobody takes a blind bit of notice of the work they do any way,and what they do just gets right up people noses.

Nearly every single topic about the cold blooded murder of Nick Berg,also on tape,has desended into chaos and flaming,when very few have sat back and spared a thought for the family and friends of Mr.Berg.
There have been people here jumping for joy about the abuse pictures coming from Al Graib,screaming about the Geneva conventions and how inhuman these pics were,and how the Americans and British were no worse than the Iraqi's.............ok so everything that happened to Mr Berg right up until the end of that tape was a total breach of the GC and Human rights........and do I hear anything or read anything about this?......No.
They're still motivated by political hatred for anything American inside Iraq,which is dad and disturbing.

So to end,it's a matter of time before this gets locked,and it will get locked for the same reasons.......flaming,it's your choice guys,keep it clean and informative it stays.......you have been warned

[American Patriot]

I think it's possible to find those responsible with a little detective work. Especially it was done in Bahgdad and the video was digitized and spread over the internet.

[American Patriot]

I would love to see the faces of those ****s after they're caught, crying like little bitches. They always do.

[dacanadianbomb]

The point made by Argyll about access is important.

Insurgents do not care in general about human rights, and they sure as hell are not going to be inviting a amnesty international gentleman in to check up on them.
We dont really need to have Amnesty international or the Red cross to tell us what those insurgents are doing is wrong. It would be a waste to do that.
Amnesty international would then have to condemn every single killing or hostage taking that happens around the world. They would need to buy servers with twenty times the storage capacity just to store the drafts of the releases etc.

"We" know they are the bad guys, and we know that they are doing evil.
They arent fooling anyone to believe that what they are doing is right. Amnesty wants to in larger part make us aware of things that are happening in places where everyone thinks everything is ok, and all hunky dory.
Of course their reporting sometimes is just simply ridiculous and unfounded witch hunting ( my personal opinion in regards to the " Britisch soldiers coold-bloodedly kill little iraqi girl )

They were given access to the Jails under Us control so they could see the thigns going on there.


The thread question , could have been answered with a little thought process initiated before it.