French Jets Buzz Israeli Airliner

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French air force jets dangerously maneuvered several times around an Israeli El Al passenger plane in an apparent effort to inspect the airliner for anti-missile systems, reports the premium online intelligence newsletter Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38411

[Mark Sman]

They're lucky they didn't "find" any.

[Uncle Chô]

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French air force jets dangerously maneuvered several times around an Israeli El Al passenger plane in an apparent effort to inspect the airliner for anti-missile systems, reports the premium online intelligence newsletter Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin.

The incident occurred over French territory as French fighter jets entered the civilian designated air corridor. The Israeli captain reported the French interceptors flew dangerously close and in some cases formed, what was described as, a dangerous interception mode.

It seems the French fighters not only circled the Israeli passenger plane, but also approached it from underneath.

One pilot said he is under the impression the French were inspecting the planes from every possible angle in an attempt to discover whether the passenger aircraft was carrying anti-shoulder-operated missile devices. Israel announced all its passenger planes are in the process of being equipped with such counter measures, pending the approval of a number of civil-administration authorities worldwide.

France has not approved the use of such devices. The U.S. is contemplating whether to allow them as well.

According to a French source, the Paris government views such equipment as if it were a weapon system requiring a license.

Israel approached France demanding an explanation for the dangerous practice, saying the French took unnecessary risks endangering the lives of hundreds of passengers in a recognized international airline corridor.

The Israeli devices are regarded top secret and, according to sources well aware of the invention, they are perfectly disguised and seen as normal parts of the aircraft frame.

The Israeli decision to use such devices stems from terrorist attempts to shoot down Israeli aircraft in Kenya in late 2002 and information suggesting terrorists might try to do the same in Europe.

According to an Israeli source, similar maneuvers were conducted by the Ukrainian air force but in that case the Ukrainian government informed Israel of interception practices.

Among the governments most interested in the new Israeli device are India and China.

A U.S. congressional subcommittee voted unanimously Thursday in favor of a bill to speed up implementation of measures protecting civil aircraft from shoulder-fired missiles.

If approved by the Senate and House, the bill, passed by the House Aviation Subcommittee, would require the Federal Aviation Administration to accelerate the placement of missile defenses on commercial aircraft.

The bill also calls on President Bush to step up diplomatic efforts to reduce the proliferation of shoulder-fired missiles in the world.

"Shoulder-fired missiles continue to pose a serious threat to civil aviation," said subcommittee chairman John Mica, a Florida Republican. "Continuing the Department of Homeland Security's anti-missile research is critical to the long-term security of the aviation industry," he said.

Mica noted that Israel announced last week tests for an anti-missile system to protect its national carrier, El Al.

Missiles were fired at an Arkia Israeli Airlines Boeing 767 on November 19, 2002, as it was leaving an airport in Mombasa, Kenya. Al-Qaida took responsibility for the failed attack.

:cantbeli: Sounds ridiculous. Interception of a civil liner is (daily) conducted under strict safety rules. I could not imagine a Mirage buzzing around a big airplane only to see "visual" evidences (of what?).

Most credible is that the Mirage "illuminated" the Boeing with its radar just to record how the onboard Israeli ECM reacted... You could gather much more info that way.

If you want to see close up details, why not photo spot the EL AL airplanes on short final at any Parisian airports. Nice views of the belly, lower tail and wing tips...

With respects to our Ukrainian readers, I won't try to compare local Air Force ROE (with roots from the Soviets tactics) with the way they do in France :| .

The funniest thing in this article is the name of the Floridian Chairman : John Mica. "MICA" is the name of the latest Air to Air missile (similar to the US AMRAAM) that is loaded aboard Mirage 2000-5F... Is this April's Fool? rofl

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The system is supposed to counter the shoulder fired GA missiles... Those are 100% using the IR for targetting and intercept targets. The system shold then rather be designed to detect and to react on the IR guided missiles, not radar ones.

Radar illumination would cause the "radar illumination" warning light in the pilots cabin - if the Israeli have such on their El-Al planes (what is doubtful but possible).

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Come on folks its worldnedaily.com home of misinformation and Anne Coulter. :lol:

[American Patriot]

WND has great Libertarian columnists. I think you should really look past the liberal lies which have clouded your mind.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

WND has great Libertarian columnists. I think you should really look past the liberal lies which have clouded your mind.
Its one of the news sites I visit and its got to be one of the most lame news sites about, the lies of the liberal neo communists have not affected me as yet.
You only go there to feed your Anne Coulter obsession AP ;) 50 bucks and I will sell you a photo set of Anne in a rubber catsuit and an Arab looking genlteman on a lead. :D

[Uncle Chô]

The system is supposed to counter the shoulder fired GA missiles... Those are 100% using the IR for targetting and intercept targets. The system shold then rather be designed to detect and to react on the IR guided missiles, not radar ones.

Radar illumination would cause the "radar illumination" warning light in the pilots cabin - if the Israeli have such on their El-Al planes (what is doubtful but possible).
You are right but but with the Israelis you could expect anything to protect their fleet -from IR to ECM incl. laser detectors-. ;) They are the very best when it comes to onboard missiles detection systems.

[IDFM203]

Wow interesting thread…..

Oh and Id still take a Israeli plane, even a 747 (though I am not sure what designation it was) with an Israeli pilot (all El Al pilots are prior air force pilots) and Israeli electronic countermeasures any day against these French Jets p-) p-) J/K :D

hey just kidding around :D

Ok seriously, what do you expect us to do against this missile threat to our planes? I see France bans us from using it?, so does that mean they are insuring that none of our planes will get blown out of the sky while flying there? And how so? Also why would they not allow us to fly with them over their air space?

Oh btw I didn’t see this anywhere else, now I am not doubting the story, but is there any more sources to this? I would be interested to know.

Shalom :D

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I don't deny what happened but do you have a reliable source of this story ? because wnd.com is hmm no comment .

[IDFM203]

I don't deny what happened but do you have a reliable source of this story ? because wnd.com is hmm no comment .If you can say who you are addressing this to that would be great, for your post follows mine so I have to assume it was at me, but if so, then I suggest you reread what I wrote and especially my last sentence ;)

Shalom :D

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I don't deny what happened but do you have a reliable source of this story ? because wnd.com is hmm no comment .If you can say who you are addressing this to that would be great, for your post follows mine so I have to assume it was at me, but if so, then I suggest you reread what I wrote and especially my last sentence ;)

Shalom :D

Escuse me, i didnt read all your post before i posted, i read it after and i agree with your last sentence.

Anyway my post is not a reaction of your post.

[IDFM203]

Escuse me, i didnt read all your post before i posted, i read it after and i agree with your last sentence.

Anyway my post is not a reaction of your post.ok cool :D

So you saw none of this in any French media?

(I will try to find something in Israeli media and if I do I will post it)

Shalom :D

[Uncle Chô]

So you saw none of this in any French media?Shalom :D
Nothing yet (or never?) ;) None for the General Public or in the aeronautic press. You did raise a good point about safety issue with an airliner fitted with IR flares landing on a civil airport. They are explosive devices and I have no clue about the regulations for civil ground crew working around such an aircraft. What happens in case of a fire ?

But there are several military cargos taking off and landing from civil airports with active flares launchers (and what about Air Force One...) so is this really a problem?

If anybody with an Air Force experience could help...

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[IDFM203]

But there are several military cargos taking off and landing from civil airports with active flares launchers (and what about Air Force One...) or about Chirac’s plane ;)

For I am sure they all have had something similar for years and I don’t think there has been any problems.

Anyways I hear the concerns and I want to say that I was not in the air force nor do I have special access to the "secret" ECM that the plane has, so I guess I cant say any more, however it would seem to me that we know of all these concerns and have made sure it cant happen or put procedures in place where the pilot has some control to read the situation and prevent any accidental mishaps….at least I would assume so.

Shalom :D

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Thank you, now i think this article is probably BS.

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"Israel enlists pigs against terrorists"


I think this one is real. There were some reports about training pigs for finding explosives (some say they are better at this than dogs).