Russian assault rifle AK-9

[Bug]

Hi,

do you know something about new research on new russian assault rifle AK-9. It must be silent and use standard russian caliber 5.45mm. Do you have any photos or can discribe it.

Thanks

[REMOV]

Use phrase "AKS-74U UBN" in the Google if you are looking for 5,45 mm x 39 silenced carbine.

There is special purpose assault rifle AK-9, but fires 9 mm x 39 cartridge ;)

http://www.vesti.ru/p/b_196125.jpg
http://www.vesti.ru/p/b_196117.jpg

...and there is also 9 mm x 39 "assault rifle" called AK Malysh.

http://talks.guns.ru/forums/icons/forum_pictures/000788/788925.jpg
http://talks.guns.ru/forums/icons/forum_pictures/000789/789402.jpg
http://talks.guns.ru/forums/icons/forum_pictures/000789/789404.jpg

[gaijinsamurai]

Nice. The only improvement I'd really like to see is a different safety/selector switch. Perhaps something like that on the Galil.

[Mr.Vegas]

Here is another pic:
http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o75/thatonekidmatt/INT316069VI1.jpg



IZHEVSK, Russia (AFP) -- Light, silent and regulation black: the AK-9 is the latest model of the famous Kalashnikov assault rifle to come off production lines at the Izhmash factory in Russia. "It shoots virtually without a sound and it can go through a bullet-proof vest," said Alexei Dragunov, 52, one of the designers of the weapon, as he assembled the gun at a firing range in a Russian forest. Russian special forces last year asked Izhmash, based in the city of Izhevsk, to make a rifle that combined the qualities of the Kalashnikov with the stealth required for secret missions, company officials said. "It's for special forces for anti-terrorist operations," said Vladimir Grodetsky, 56, director of the Izhmash factory, at a briefing during a rare visit for foreign journalists to the plant. The AK-9 is fitted with a silencer and fires large 9.0-millimeter caliber bullets intended to pierce body armour. At 3.8 kilograms (8.4 pounds) it is also slightly lighter than previous models of the Kalashnikov. "There's no one else making it," said Richard Jones, editor of British-based Jane's Infantry Weapons, a specialist journal, referring to other rifles combining such a large caliber with a silencer. Other guns with the same caliber, which slows down the bullet in order to silence it but can still pierce body armour, are the Russian-made VSS and the VSK rifles used by special forces, Jones said. "There's an increasing interest in suppressor weapons for... tactical reasons," said Jones, using the specialist term for guns fitted with silencers. The AK-9 could be of interest to other special forces in the world -- "commando-like units who have been able to engage an enemy sentry or shoot their way out of trouble and not be heard," he added. The weapon is still being tested and, pending approval from the Russian defence ministry, it is being kept under wraps. During a visit to a shooting range outside Izhevsk, the gun was shown but could not be demonstrated. "We think it has big export potential. We hope we can get export permission as soon as possible, said Grodetsky, explaining that arms factories now had to be "flexible," providing for regular soldiers as well as special forces. Development of the weapon is part of a massive programme of modernisation of Russia's armed forces, ranging from hi-tech Iskander missiles to new uniforms for Russian soldiers. "The Russian army is now receiving modern equipment, not a large part but it's a serious programme of modernisation," said Nikolai Novichkov, an arms specialist at ITAR-TASS news agency. Izhmash is known above all for the Kalashnikov, a global brand and one of the most widely used small weapons in the world, valued by soldiers and guerrillas for its simplicity and reliability. Izhmash makes roughly 100,000 Kalashnikov rifles every year and estimates that another 900,000 rifles similar to the Kalashnikov are being made in other countries such as Bulgaria, China and Poland as "counterfeits." The Russia-made Kalashnikov sells for some 400 dollars (291 euros) a piece. Celebrations are being held this week in Izhevsk for the 60th anniversary of the first AK-47 Kalashnikov rifle. The factory is also marking a 200-year history of gunmaking. The earliest rifle models produced at the factory, some 1,300 kilometers (800 miles) east of Moscow, were used in the Russian Empire's battles against Napoleon at the beginning of the 19th century. Dragunov, who started working at Izhmash 29 years ago, is part of that history. His father developed a gun, the Dragunov sniper rifle, that is now used by the Russian army and exported throughout the world. "It's the same as any kind of engineering except you get to see the final product more easily," said Dragunov, whose youngest son also works at the Izhmash arms design centre. Asked whether he feels any remorse about producing guns, Dragunov smiles and answers: "Can you imagine a world without violence? Firearms are not for killing people, they're a deterrent." Source: http://en.rian.ru/ RIA NovostiFrom: http://www.rense.com/general77/antiter.htm

[Mr.Vegas]

Nice. The only improvement I'd really like to see is a different safety/selector switch. Perhaps something like that on the Galil.

Yeah. And a bolt catch would be nice too.

[OMON]

what happend to that website ''russianarms.info'' ?

[Mr.Vegas]

what happend to that website ''russianarms.info'' ?

I think it turned into a mail order bride site. lol

And check this out:

Russia To Build 2 Kalashnikov Factories In Venezuela By 2010

[imohammed2]

the 9x39...

"It can penetrate 2 mm of steel at 500 meters or 6 mm of steel, 2.8 mm of titanium + 30 layers of Kevlar at 200 meters."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9_x_39_mm

[Jippo]

the 9x39...

"It can penetrate 2 mm of steel at 500 meters or 6 mm of steel, 2.8 mm of titanium + 30 layers of Kevlar at 200 meters."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9_x_39_mm

It is pretty academic to discuss penetration values of that round at 500m, and even at 200m since hitting a target is damn near impossible!

[AmericanKaliber]

what happend to that website ''russianarms.info'' ?

Got Closed down.

My friend Roman knew people who ran the site.. but yeah it got closed down.

[StukaJr]

It is pretty academic to discuss penetration values of that round at 500m, and even at 200m since hitting a target is damn near impossible!

Well, the quote is given for the cartridge, not the AK-9's sighting capabilities - most likely from AS VAL or VSK-94 rifle...

But, agreed - use of sub-sonic cartridge at ranges of 200 meters + is rather questionable and not something I ever tried for myself

[D.E. Watters]

The AK-9 is sort of a revised OTs-11 Tiss, isn't it?

[Jippo]

Well, the quote is given for the cartridge, not the AK-9's sighting capabilities - most likely from AS VAL or VSK-94 rifle...

But, agreed - use of sub-sonic cartridge at ranges of 200 meters + is rather questionable and not something I ever tried for myself


Comment hasn't anything to do with the weapon system. When zeroed in at 100m such a subsonic round will be 13 metres below target at 500m. Mind you that is four storeys. At 200m difference is only 1.1m but even 20m error in distance estimation will cause you to miss 0.8m target when aiming at center.

If we want to talk about wind drift, weak wind of 5m/s will offset the bullet 0.3m at 200m, 1.5m at 500m distance.

[REMOV]

The AK-9 is sort of a revised OTs-11 Tiss, isn't it?Nope. The OTs-11 is AKS-74U based and the AK-9 is based on AKM/AK-74. In other words TOZ, Tula versus IZhMASh Izhevsk. There is more 9 mm x 39 carbines (special purpose assault rifles) than OTs-11 and AK-9, for instance, SR-3 also from TOZ, Tula and 9A-91 from KBP, Tula.

Some Westerners cannot understand why Russian companies introduced lot of similar weapons - or sometimes nearly the same (i.e. KBP NSV-12,7 vs. V.A.Degtyarev Plant Kord heavy machine guns) but it comes from distribution of the weapon production in the Russian part of the Soviet Union. Now, the companies are separate beings fight each other for MoIA or MoD contracts.

[Masai]

sweet looking rifle.

[imohammed2]

It is pretty academic to discuss penetration values of that round at 500m, and even at 200m since hitting a target is damn near impossible!

good point....BUT if it can do that much damage at 200 metres, it must perform even better at say 40 to 50 metres.

OR is it INcorrect to say that the bullet will penetrate more armour the shorter the distance to the target?

[Jippo]

Well, why not simply state the performance at 50m? I mean that is the point of the gun, isn't it? Same kind of academical idiocy as putting a 800m leaf on an AK. :) Very few people can see camouflaged targets at that distance with naked eye, not to mention looking through iron sights. :)

About penetration, I was told by a very experienced shooter (2x world champion & a sniper trainer) that rifle penetration is at it's peak at around 70m as the bullet is somewhat unstable before that. I tend to believe the fellow.