US-made AUG knockoff/version.

[MichaelF]

http://www.msarinc.com/stg556.html

Coming soon. Retailing @ ~$2K.

[D-gin]

Don't forget about this one.


http://www.tpdusa.com/

[Young-kiwi]

http://www.msarinc.com/stg556.html

Coming soon. Retailing @ ~$2K.


I find the whole M16 derived forward assist a very strange 'addition' to this rifle.

[balrog]

I find the whole M16 derived forward assist a very strange 'addition' to this rifle.


The Aussie's troops in Iraq have been complaining that theirs often won't chamber a round so maybe it's just the thing.
Apparently it's happened 30 some odd times when they've been in contact.

[Shadowstorm]

I rather buy the original Steyr AUG.

[goose36]

The Aussie's troops in Iraq have been complaining that theirs often won't chamber a round so maybe it's just the thing.
Apparently it's happened 30 some odd times when they've been in contact.


I've never heard of this and i use it, we do complain about it though for other reasons, and it does have a bolt assist button, its on the cocking Handel.

[gafkiwi]

I find the whole M16 derived forward assist a very strange 'addition' to this rifle.

Yeah, I find the bolt assist on cocking handle of the normal rifle fine. As steyr user, some of the features taken from the AR/M16 don't appear to lend themselves to a bull pup layout, i.e. to use them would mean dropping the weapon out of the shoulder. All the normal Steyrs operating parts are grouped closely together cocking handle, hold open recess, safety and trigger. It seems to be, putting M16 parts on for the sake of putting M16 parts on

A good point is the M16 mag, More M16 mag uses around than steyr ones

[0497]

The Aussie's troops in Iraq have been complaining that theirs often won't chamber a round so maybe it's just the thing.
Apparently it's happened 30 some odd times when they've been in contact.

Possibly a beat-up by the media - originated with Channel 7 News, not the most reputable sources. Basically a few days later this happened (http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s2022999.htm).

What others have said about lately of faulty rifles:
http://www.strategypage.com/militaryforums/512-39229.aspx

[astro]

It all looks pretty much identical. I assume they made it so it can be locally (US) owned / made / sold?

Maybe the derived fwd assist is there as blokes didn't want to get a bruise from punching the bolt assist button? Aww ;)

The last round bolt hold open release seems like a good idea.

And the accessory rack; I assume it's to US equpiment spec's, given that's where the NAD for the aus-army usually sits?

And yet... why didn't they mount the optic sight on a picatinny (sp) rail as well, as per the newer gen Steyrs? That's odd.

[Seraphim]

http://www.msarinc.com/stg556.html

Coming soon. Retailing @ ~$2K.

Just because it looks the same, doesnt meant they are.

[MichaelF]

Just because it looks the same, doesnt meant they are.

Hence: "version", as an alternate to "knockoff".

It's a comparitive unknown, so far.

[SMGLee]

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss2007/huge/TPD009.jpg

TPD version with factory Steyr M16 conversion stock.

[ABNINF]

Just another gun in the list of things to buy

[mohica]

I rather buy the original Steyr AUG.

The US made MASR STG556 is far superior to the Styer with improved engineering and materials, period. You might want to get a little information and possibly examine the rifle and learn about the improvements. You will most likely change your mind.

[TacoDelRio]

I rather buy the original Steyr AUG.

Good luck on your search for one.

Hence the open market for a US made AUG. Cause' it can be a bitch to find Steyr AUG's on the US market, non-class 3.

[maple.leaf]

The US made MASR STG556 is far superior to the Styer with improved engineering and materials, period.

Oh really??

[Dr_ColoSSus]

The US made MASR STG556 is far superior to the Styer with improved engineering and materials, period.


Well...that settles that. I don't know about the rest of you , but if this clown says so, Im convinced.

[Douros81]

While I saw one the other night at my local store. A flat top model price at $1780.99. It was nice looking and was clean gun with good fit and finish. It did have a AR-15 forward bolt ast on it? Unless Steyr builds a USA made modle I think this is it for the US market.

[mohica]

Well...that settles that. I don't know about the rest of you , but if this clown says so, Im convinced.

Your avatar suits you well. Since you have yet to examine one of these rifles much less shoot one, it would be prudent on your part to keep quiet unitl you do so. Your overt immaturity is clearly evident, even for a 25 year old. You should have a bit more on the ball at this stage in the game of life.

You have no idea about the "designers" of the rifle, his/their qualifications, background, etc. In fact, you know nothing. Just another internet commando sitting behind his keyboard foaming at the mouth.

[LRPV]

The US made MASR STG556 is far superior to the Styer with improved engineering and materials, period. You might want to get a little information and possibly examine the rifle and learn about the improvements. You will most likely change your mind.


As an ex-Austeyr user I would be interested in what you have found that substantiates your claims. I have handled both Austrian and Australian made Steyrs, not being a metalurgist I can't offer technical input.

Your first sentence was rather extravagant, I own a $ 4 800 rifle made in the US, so I respect some of the manufacturers (HS Precision especially) but to everything is better..."period"?

[mohica]

As an ex-Austeyr user I would be interested in what you have found that substantiates your claims. I have handled both Austrian and Australian made Steyrs, not being a metalurgist I can't offer technical input.

Your first sentence was rather extravagant, I own a $ 4 800 rifle made in the US, so I respect some of the manufacturers (HS Precision especially) but to everything is better..."period"?


Go to their website for more info. Check one out in person. As stated previously, I think most that do will be impressed.

The cost of your HS Precision rile is irrelevant to the topic at hand and I am not clear on why you included that information in your post.

[maw]

wouldn't take a msar aug "clone" if you offered it to me. the tpd looks promising, aug internals, non proprietary mags etc.

i too am interested in the aussie experience regarding the forward assist. doesn't the aug already have a fa integrated into the charging handle.

personally, i'm waiting to hear feedback on the tpd. if all sounds well i might be forced to part with some cash.

[StuRat]

The little knob on the cocking handle is a forward assist, if the bolt doesn't go fully forward, hit it and it usually locks properly

[LRPV]

Go to their website for more info. Check one out in person. As stated previously, I think most that do will be impressed.

The cost of your HS Precision rile is irrelevant to the topic at hand and I am not clear on why you included that information in your post.


As these are banned here I cannot check out a sample in person. Hence the request for information other than to be paid off with 'go check the website'....

I included the HS to head off any claim of bias against US arms manufacturing. When one expresses a level of doubt about a product from a particular country, there are some here who get a little nationalistic and confuse issues. Yes, other than for the stated reason it was 'off-topic'.

[mohica]

Banned where? As for being "paid off" (whatever that means) to check the website, that is exactly what you should do. I'll make it easy for you.

http://www.msarinc.com/stg556.html

No one seems to be confused about the issues but you. Your HS reference is still irrelevant to the discussion.

[Douros81]

As these are banned here I cannot check out a sample in person. Hence the request for information other than to be paid off with 'go check the website'....

I included the HS to head off any claim of bias against US arms manufacturing. When one expresses a level of doubt about a product from a particular country, there are some here who get a little nationalistic and confuse issues. Yes, other than for the stated reason it was 'off-topic'.


Are you talking about the US? There are pre 1989 ban AUG in the US and they cost a boat load of money. They can't be sold here because they are not made here. Damn GHWB

[LRPV]

Banned where? As for being "paid off" (whatever that means) to check the website, that is exactly what you should do. I'll make it easy for you.

http://www.msarinc.com/stg556.html

No one seems to be confused about the issues but you. Your HS reference is still irrelevant to the discussion.


Banned in Australia.

"Paid off" is an Australian expression, essentially rather than provide substance you provided a link. You have made a bold, unsubstantiated statement and your best is to provide a link....

As for confusion, I am starting to wonder if the good Dr was right after-all...

If you cant grasp my point regasrding the HS, then disregard it.

[LRPV]

Are you talking about the US? There are pre 1989 ban AUG in the US and they cost a boat load of money. They can't be sold here because they are not made here. Damn GHWB

No, I'm referring to Australia.

[mohica]

Banned in Australia.

"Paid off" is an Australian expression, essentially rather than provide substance you provided a link. You have made a bold, unsubstantiated statement and your best is to provide a link....

As for confusion, I am starting to wonder if the good Dr was right after-all...

If you cant grasp my point regasrding the HS, then disregard it.


Too bad for you. How is the crime rate now that the 'subjects' of Oz can't own firearms?

The link is all the substance you need. Why do I want to be the middle man when you can read it for yourself. Unsubstantiated? To who? You? Like I said, read the site and become a bit better versed in the nuances of the STG556, and then perhaps you can make a comment. For me, I sold my Styer AUG's and purchased a superior rifle in the STG556. I have two with registered Qulified trigger packs that run like raped apes.

Oh yes, you should have gotten a Chandler rifle.

[LRPV]

Too bad for you. How is the crime rate now that the 'subjects' of Oz can't own firearms?

The link is all the substance you need. Why do I want to be the middle man when you can read it for yourself. Unsubstantiated? To who? You? Like I said, read the site and become a bit better versed in the nuances of the STG556, and then perhaps you can make a comment. For me, I sold my Styer AUG's and purchased a superior rifle in the STG556. I have two with registered Qulified trigger packs that run like raped apes.

Oh yes, you should have gotten a Chandler rifle.

mohica, what is your issue? You rattle away at me because in your eyes I went off-topic on the HS, having lost you on a well intentioned point. What's with the "subjects of Oz" tomfoolery? It appears that your presence here is to troll and flame rather than discuss.

Nice snipe, if you'll excuse the pun, regarding Chandler. The product is sound but according to some of your fellow country-men the price differential cannot be justified down-range. Please feel free to bag my opinion, I don't claim to be an expert. However the 3 Americans I refer to are all Scout-Sniper qualified and I defer to their field and instructional expertise. Have nice day.

[California Joe]

mohica, calm the f*ck down.

[mohica]

mohica, what is your issue? You rattle away at me because in your eyes I went off-topic on the HS, having lost you on a well intentioned point. What's with the "subjects of Oz" tomfoolery? It appears that your presence here is to troll and flame rather than discuss.

Nice snipe, if you'll excuse the pun, regarding Chandler. The product is sound but according to some of your fellow country-men the price differential cannot be justified down-range. Please feel free to bag my opinion, I don't claim to be an expert. However the 3 Americans I refer to are all Scout-Sniper qualified and I defer to their field and instructional expertise. Have nice day.

Don't get me wrong, I feel for you guys, I really do. I can't fathom my gov't taking away my firearms. We often use Oz as an examaple of what we don't want to happen here. Unfortunately, a small percentage of firearms owners in the US carry the weight of all the dead beats and shoulder the battle to retain our firearms rights.

You are the one that brought up the "different country" thing, not me. I also think it is irrelevant just as is your HS rifle and its cost. I am fully aware of your intent, but again, it is irrelevant. The discussion was about the STG556 vs. the Styer AUG. Basically the same rifles, but the STG is a product improved version. I only suggested you got to their website for more information. I am not sure why the resistance to what I see as a better moustrap, not unlike the improvement to the AR15 series with the advent of the gas piston.

HS makes a fine rifle. Chandler has the reputation of making the best of the genre. A lofty claim, but I do know they perform in all aspects as advertised. Is it the best? I guess it is a matter of opinion.

[mohica]

mohica, calm the f*ck down.

I don't believe that I was off base here. I offered the fellow from down under my opinion. He didn't like my suggestion that he seek more information from the MASR website. I can't help that.

[Jippo]

In all honesty, if I want to know if a product is bad or good, the last place to check is the manufacturer's own information. They aren't going to badmouth the thing they want to sell now, are they?

[theholeinthedonut]

I prefer a Styer AUG over a Clot AR15 every dayhttp://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w310/theholeinthedonut/Divers/iconyeswq4.gif

[Winger]

Off topic......HK & FN wtfpownz all p-)

[maw]

the msar proprietary forward assist is fubar (the aug already has one in the charging handle). it's double fubar'd now msar have announced that they're dropping the proprietary fa.
the msar proprietary stock is fubar.
the msar proprietary mag is fubar (is should either take aug mags or ar stanag(?) mags).
the msar proprietary internals is fubar (basically it's a whole new weapon dressed up to look like an aug - wtf?).

the tpd utilizes the same fa as the original aug.
the tpd utilizes a factory aug stock (m-16 mag variant).
the tpd uses ar mags.
the tpd uses aug internals, bolt, bolt carrier, trigger internals, etc can be replaced with factory aug parts.

let me think which one i'd want...

[maw]

Off topic......HK & FN wtfpownz all p-)

i agree about fn. but hk?

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/7408/hkkoolaidvd2.jpg

[mohica]

the msar proprietary forward assist is fubar (the aug already has one in the charging handle). it's double fubar'd now msar have announced that they're dropping the proprietary fa.

The MASR FA is superior to the original AUG design. You really need to do more research and compare the weapons side by side prior to voicing inaccuracies. I have done so in detail, and the purchase of the MASR FA has is better.

the msar proprietary stock is fubar.

Why is that?

the msar proprietary mag is fubar (is should either take aug mags or ar stanag(?) mags).

Maybe, maybe not. There may be some reasons you are not privy to why it was done this way. It could also be just business.

the msar proprietary internals is fubar (basically it's a whole new weapon dressed up to look like an aug - wtf?).

Perhaps you could expound on this for the rest of us, relying of course on your expertise with the two weapons for an accurate and detailed description of the differences and/or similarities of the "internals" otherwise known as the fire control group, bolt and carrier group, etc.

the tpd utilizes the same fa as the original aug.
the tpd utilizes a factory aug stock (m-16 mag variant).
the tpd uses ar mags.
the tpd uses aug internals, bolt, bolt carrier, trigger internals, etc can be replaced with factory aug parts.

let me think which one i'd want...

TPD was a decent looking weapon when I examined it. He still had a ways to go at the time (SHOT 2007) to get it into production. Don't know where it stands now. One issue I saw was he was relying on surplus parts to complete the rifles, the stock being one of them.

You have to consider, factory AUG parts are somewhat scarce and will continue to be so. Some will not be importable, so unless you have a domestic source you may be SOL.

Brand loyalty is a nice warm and fuzzy, but reality is another story. The MASR is a well thought out, engineered, and product improved piece of gear. The man that was known as the AUG guy in this country Pete from PJ's investments played a major role in the MASR design and improvements to the original AUG. Tony of Micro-Tech and formally of Knight's Manufacturing and Special Op's Shop among others has been at it for some time also. In fact, he designed the snap on suppressor for the MP5 series when he was around 17 or 18. That's right, 17 or 18 years old. So, all these guys that use the snap on (Gem -Tech patented it) have Tony to thank. He knows his stuff.

I will reiterate, I have no interest in the company and I still prefer my AR15 series of rifles, but I can make room for other designs and unlike some here I don't get my panties in a wad if someone comes up with a better mousetrap, even if I own the old mousetrap.

[gafkiwi]

Are some of the MASR features and improvement or just an attempt to make it appeal to the Die hard AR users???By that what I'm getting at is they appear to be going away from the well layed out Augs working surfaces and added features that seem to simply double up on features the Aug already has, they are also positioned in areas that don't seem to make sense.

1. As discussed, the cocking/bolt assist on the rear left of the stock, The Aug always had one built into the cocking handle, it works and it keeps all the working surfaces i.e. trigger, safety, cocking handle and monopod all in close proximity allowing minimal movt of non master hand. The MASR one is located in a position where the firer has to alter his position alot more to use.

2. the bolt release/hold open, The Aug has a hold open recess for the cocking handle and ther bolt (like most modern assault rifles) is held to the rear after the last rd. To release simply flick the bolt out of its recess and there you go. This can be done with the weapon still in the shoulder with minmal disturbance to the firers position. The MASR model is positioned quite far down the stock in vicinity of where the firers cheek weld would be, to use it the firer would once again have to make a major alteration to his position. Where it is located it looks like it could be bumped and released quite easily.

These are what jump out at me about this design from a person who has carried a steyr for over 10years, That being said the steyr could do with a bit of a face lift to bring it in line with current weapon systems and their modular nature

[maw]

The MASR FA is superior to the original AUG design. You really need to do more research and compare the weapons side by side prior to voicing inaccuracies. I have done so in detail, and the purchase of the MASR FA has is better.

none of my points for the reasons i've outlined are inaccurate. the msar is an attempt by microtech to bring out a proprietary platform that requires proprietary parts therefore guaranteeing a long term annuity revenue stream for the company. once you buy the rifle you are locked in for life. several of the enhancements are the for the sake being, the mags, the internals and the stock. anyone who claims the msar is superior to the original aug is (imho) on crack. the aug is battle tested around the world, msar is built by a company that previously built high end pocket knives. when the msar has been in service for a couple of decades we can talk. the aug is not a broken design that needs some knife guru's to perfect it. it's a gtg rifle. i don't care how superior the msar's fa is, according to all the civilian shooters and military users i've heard from the original one is gtg. so why fcuk with it?

msar built an aug clone, if the aug was such a piece of ****e that it needed a new stock, new mags and new internals why go through the bother? why not just come with an all together new rifle (which is what it is), why not license the sar-21 or the tavor? when you seriously sit down and think about it, i think you'll come to the conclusion that msar built their rifle the way they did based on business decisions (ie. that revenue stream previously mentioned). keep in mind, when msar was in the planning stages with their rifle tpd wasn't even on the radar so they strategized a way to maximize their investment, ie lock the customer into a proprietary platform. now they're backpeddling.

"the msar proprietary stock is fubar."
Why is that?
because of the reasons i've stated above. i always liked the idea of being able to pop the aug the gas system, barrel and trigger pack into a different color stock and you can buy aug stocks on the market. i don't want a proprietary rifle with a proprietary stock - i just want an aug.

Maybe, maybe not. There may be some reasons you are not privy to why it was done this way. It could also be just business.
you're damn it was business. the business of building monopolies. aug mags are available so that was one option, but in the us the ar mag is ubiquitous. pmags are cheap and reliable. there's no reason not to have taken this path other than $$$.

Perhaps you could expound on this for the rest of us, relying of course on your expertise with the two weapons for an accurate and detailed description of the differences and/or similarities of the "internals" otherwise known as the fire control group, bolt and carrier group, etc.
i am the fcuking internet god of aug's. there feel better? the tpd internals are identical dimensionally to factory steyr parts. the bolt and bolt carrier for example are in fact interchangeable. the ability to use aug parts is a huge factor for me. plus i really like the cnc'd receiver as opposed to the cast one in the msar.

TPD was a decent looking weapon when I examined it. He still had a ways to go at the time (SHOT 2007) to get it into production. Don't know where it stands now.

they're in production and shipping. the first customers are posting range reports.

One issue I saw was he was relying on surplus parts to complete the rifles, the stock being one of them.

as i've already stated, i see this as a positive attribute. the more factory aug compatible parts the better.

You have to consider, factory AUG parts are somewhat scarce and will continue to be so. Some will not be importable, so unless you have a domestic source you may be SOL.

i don't see this as a liability. you think aug parts are scare? try getting msar parts. even magazine are unobtanium. there's nothing preventing the importation of aug parts. with the exception of the receiver and the barrel you can legally import anything you want. there are web sites in europe that sell aug parts. tpd will start making spare parts and the original aug users will also be able to buy in, with a bit of luck between the tpd and legacy augs/usrs there'll be enough of a market to permanently sustain an aug parts company.

Brand loyalty is a nice warm and fuzzy, but reality is another story. The MASR is a well thought out, engineered, and product improved piece of gear. The man that was known as the AUG guy in this country Pete from PJ's investments played a major role in the MASR design and improvements to the original AUG. Tony of Micro-Tech and formally of Knight's Manufacturing and Special Op's Shop among others has been at it for some time also. In fact, he designed the snap on suppressor for the MP5 series when he was around 17 or 18. That's right, 17 or 18 years old. So, all these guys that use the snap on (Gem -Tech patented it) have Tony to thank. He knows his stuff.

I will reiterate, I have no interest in the company and I still prefer my AR15 series of rifles, but I can make room for other designs and unlike some here I don't get my panties in a wad if someone comes up with a better mousetrap, even if I own the old mousetrap.

nothing in my blurbage has indicated any brand loyalty, either way. pj has quit and split. tony makes good knives, but the customer service for those knives sucks (have to ship through a dealer). a quick detach mount does not equate to a rifle, not putting tony down, just saying. even then, prior history does not guarantee future performance, there might be mitigating business decisions that cause a manufacturer to cut corners. building a milspec aug would have won my praise and my business. monkeying with it does not. look at some of the countries who've licensed the aug and still managed screw it up. a msar dealer in hew hampshire has already reported all sorts of problems with the msar (read up on arf). i don't want some guinea pig hybrid experiment, i want a milspec aug with the ability to accommodate contemporary optics.

[cliffg]

Mohica, you should be congratulated. You made me log in and post. For the record:

I have owned, and shot extensively, the following rifles:

M-1 Garand, M-1 Carbine, Chinese Type 56 (SKS - VN trophy), AR-15, Valmet Type 62, HK-93A3, FN-FAL 50.00NM, Yugoslav M70S, and a Steyr AUG-SA. While in the service I was issued, and shot, both the M16A1 & M16A2.

I have owned my Steyr AUG for 24 years.

I saw a MASR recently, and the thing that turned me off immediately was the forward assist. The AUG's controls are very well thought out ergonomically, and I have wondered about why the change. It is not an improvement, IMHO. Nothing that I could find on their website indicates why the change. In all the years of firing my AUG, only once have I ever needed to use the forward assist. Not so with AR-15/M-16's, where I've had to use it several times (S-P-O-R-T-S, remember?)

I am sure you have at least fired both, or is your "extensive" opinion based on seeing one at a gun store or gun show? If you have, how many rounds did you put downrange with each?

My Steyr is THE most consistently accurate rifle I have ever owned, even besting the Garand, and the AUG is also the most well thought out, designwise. I would change little - the A2 Picatinny rail receiver is a good improvement, as is the closed end muzzle break and the STAANG standard magazine well. But adding those other "rails" to hang crap off of it like a transformer's Christmas tree? Nope. Not me. Keep it simple.

Mohica, I am sure you will dismiss my comments as irrelevant as you have dismissed the others who have even more experience with the Steyr than me. You like the MASR. We know that. Nobody is saying it is a bad rifle. You are the one claiming it is superior to the original, and have yet to make your case. You are trying to argue something with only limited knowledge of the subject matter. In the end, it only serves to make you look foolish. And to make me waste time writing this.

[mohica]

none of my points for the reasons i've outlined are inaccurate. the msar is an attempt by microtech to bring out a proprietary platform that requires proprietary parts therefore guaranteeing a long term annuity revenue stream for the company. once you buy the rifle you are locked in for life. several of the enhancements are the for the sake being, the mags, the internals and the stock. anyone who claims the msar is superior to the original aug is (imho) on crack. the aug is battle tested around the world, msar is built by a company that previously built high end pocket knives. when the msar has been in service for a couple of decades we can talk. the aug is not a broken design that needs some knife guru's to perfect it. it's a gtg rifle. i don't care how superior the msar's fa is, according to all the civilian shooters and military users i've heard from the original one is gtg. so why fcuk with it?

Let me tell you something, a little secret, the AUG ain't all that. I had my first AUG at least 20 years ago, a full auto version. It was neat and space age, but it wasn't all that. So, as for smoking crack, when did you get your first AUG? You first full auto AUG? It was a novelty more than anything. I still like them, but the MASR version a bit better. Superior materials and engineering improvements.

As for being a "knife guru", Tony has forgotten more about firearms, suppressors, yes, and automatic knives than you will ever know. Much of Reed's stuff that came out in the not too distant past were Tony's designs that in some incarnation are in use today by US armed forces. What have you designed lately?

What military users do you know that have used the AUG in combat? Not what you read, or what you heard, but military users YOU KNOW. Personally. When and where would help.

msar built an aug clone, if the aug was such a piece of ****e that it needed a new stock, new mags and new internals why go through the bother? why not just come with an all together new rifle (which is what it is), why not license the sar-21 or the tavor? when you seriously sit down and think about it, i think you'll come to the conclusion that msar built their rifle the way they did based on business decisions (ie. that revenue stream previously mentioned). keep in mind, when msar was in the planning stages with their rifle tpd wasn't even on the radar so they strategized a way to maximize their investment, ie lock the customer into a proprietary platform. now they're backpeddling.

A product improved AUG would be a more accurate description. No one suggested the original AUG was a piece of sh!t unitl you brought it up. The reason some things were changed is because they could be improved. You sit there and act the the AUG was the end all, and it ain't.

I don't care that they made the decision, business or technical, to have some proprietary parts. You have a problem with capitalism? I do know the trigger group and stock interchange HAD to be changed per ATF. Another little fact for you to mull over.

"the msar proprietary stock is fubar."

because of the reasons i've stated above. i always liked the idea of being able to pop the aug the gas system, barrel and trigger pack into a different color stock and you can buy aug stocks on the market. i don't want a proprietary rifle with a proprietary stock - i just want an aug.

Then go for it bro. I could give a rat's ass what you have much less your opinion when it is apparent you have not even held a MASR, much less shot one and examined it. I have, on more than one occasion to say the least. Neither AUG "platform" is my favorite rifle so it is not a big deal to me.


you're damn it was business. the business of building monopolies. aug mags are available so that was one option, but in the us the ar mag is ubiquitous. pmags are cheap and reliable. there's no reason not to have taken this path other than $$$.

I think the material used in the manufacture of MASR mags is superior to that used in AUG mags. PMAG's were not even know at the time of the STG556's conception. Give it a rest. Not to mention, the PMAG has had its own growing pains with several recalls/exchanges.


i am the fcuking internet god of aug's. there feel better? the tpd internals are identical dimensionally to factory steyr parts. the bolt and bolt carrier for example are in fact interchangeable. the ability to use aug parts is a huge factor for me. plus i really like the cnc'd receiver as opposed to the cast one in the msar.

Blah, blah, blah.

That is because the are Steyer parts! He used a factory AUG stock for Christ's sake, what else was he gonna use for the guts? He didn't have the money to get it going like MASR did, nor did he have the knowledge or machinery to get it done. I have no problem with the TPD version, but THAT is more the clone than the MASR is. Give your head a shake.

Are you saying the TPD receiver is milled from bar stock or a forging? Or, is it "cnc'd" from a casting, like the STG556. Cnc'd doesn't mean dick, all stuff is cnc'd. FYI, the magpul Masada (Bushmaster ACR) receiver is "cnc'c" from a casting. I guess that sucks too.



they're in production and shipping. the first customers are posting range reports.



as i've already stated, i see this as a positive attribute. the more factory aug compatible parts the better.

Good for you, not everyone else. Drink the AUG kool-aid.



i don't see this as a liability. you think aug parts are scare? try getting msar parts. even magazine are unobtanium. there's nothing preventing the importation of aug parts. with the exception of the receiver and the barrel you can legally import anything you want. there are web sites in europe that sell aug parts. tpd will start making spare parts and the original aug users will also be able to buy in, with a bit of luck between the tpd and legacy augs/usrs there'll be enough of a market to permanently sustain an aug parts company.

dude, give your head a shake one more time. After 20 plus years there better be some parts for the AUG.

Given time, the STG556 will have parts available. Again, I don't drink anyone's kool-aid. If they fall flat, no skin off my nose although I don't want to see any firearms manufacturere take a dive.



nothing in my blurbage has indicated any brand loyalty, either way.

Are you kidding me? That is all you have done. Steyer and TPD. But I forgot, you are the "fcuking internet god of aug's". What a tool.

pj has quit and split.

Old news.

tony makes good knives, but the customer service for those knives sucks (have to ship through a dealer).

Dude, you just have a problem with capitalism. You are one of those "special' guys that thinks he is different and should get a deal from everyone on every thing. You have a problem with the guy taking care of his dealers. Another head shake is in order.

a quick detach mount does not equate to a rifle, not putting tony down, just saying. even then, prior history does not guarantee future performance, there might be mitigating business decisions that cause a manufacturer to cut corners. building a milspec aug would have won my praise and my business. monkeying with it does not. look at some of the countries who've licensed the aug and still managed screw it up. a msar dealer in hew hampshire has already reported all sorts of problems with the msar (read up on arf). i don't want some guinea pig hybrid experiment, i want a milspec aug with the ability to accommodate contemporary optics.

Are you saying MASR "cut corners" on the STG556? Tell us where if that is the case.

Milspec, ahhhh, the catch all internet commando phrase. Milspec. Funny, most don't even know what it is. In any case, the AUG doesn't meet any US "milspec" so that point is moot.

[StuRat]

I liked my AUG, thats all I'm going to say

[mohica]

Mohica, you should be congratulated. You made me log in and post. For the record:

I have owned, and shot extensively, the following rifles:

M-1 Garand, M-1 Carbine, Chinese Type 56 (SKS - VN trophy), AR-15, Valmet Type 62, HK-93A3, FN-FAL 50.00NM, Yugoslav M70S, and a Steyr AUG-SA. While in the service I was issued, and shot, both the M16A1 & M16A2.

Congratulations, although I am not too sure what your point is.

I have owned my Steyr AUG for 24 years.

Congratulations one more time, but still not to sure what your point is. I got my first one as state previously at least 20 years ago, mid 80's I guess. Had a Flemming trigger pack in it. I have had a dozen post samples over the years as well as a few registered receivers and Qualified packs. All neat stuff, but not the end all maw makes them out to be. If you like them, that is cool. I prefere other platforms.

I saw a MASR recently, and the thing that turned me off immediately was the forward assist. The AUG's controls are very well thought out ergonomically, and I have wondered about why the change. It is not an improvement, IMHO. Nothing that I could find on their website indicates why the change. In all the years of firing my AUG, only once have I ever needed to use the forward assist. Not so with AR-15/M-16's, where I've had to use it several times (S-P-O-R-T-S, remember?)

The story I got on the forward assist is that that on the STG556, the M16 like unit is far stronger and sure unit than the factory AUG unit which is a bit more "delicate" for lack of a better term.

I am sure you have at least fired both, or is your "extensive" opinion based on seeing one at a gun store or gun show? If you have, how many rounds did you put downrange with each?

I have no idea how many I have put down range with the AUG platform over the years. 100K rounds? I really don't know. I have to say I probably only have about 5k through the STG556.

My Steyr is THE most consistently accurate rifle I have ever owned, even besting the Garand, and the AUG is also the most well thought out, designwise. I would change little - the A2 Picatinny rail receiver is a good improvement, as is the closed end muzzle break and the STAANG standard magazine well. But adding those other "rails" to hang crap off of it like a transformer's Christmas tree? Nope. Not me. Keep it simple.

If it blows your skirt up, good for you.

Mohica, I am sure you will dismiss my comments as irrelevant as you have dismissed the others who have even more experience with the Steyr than me. You like the MASR. We know that. Nobody is saying it is a bad rifle. You are the one claiming it is superior to the original, and have yet to make your case. You are trying to argue something with only limited knowledge of the subject matter. In the end, it only serves to make you look foolish. And to make me waste time writing this.

Actually Cliff, no, I don't dismiss your comments. You give legitimate reasons for your like of the AUG platform. You didn't denegrate another version of that platform just because you don't own one and don't want to think you may not have the best version of that particular rifle.

Your criticism of the FA is a valid one if you don't like it. Only thing is I could suggest, is not judge the rifle in a poor light until you have a chance to read up on the rifle, perhaps talk to the manufacturer - Tony Marfione - to get some insight, and compare the two rifles side by side. Give it a fair shake. I did all that, and slightly modified one of my Qualified packs so it would fit in the "proprietary stock". I like it. I like the forward assist. It doens't bother me, maybe because the format is something I am familiar with. Again, this is only my opinion, but it is an opinion based on "science", not some bias based on "this is what I have so it is the best".

[Buckeye67]

mohica, calm the f*ck down.

Words to live by.

[hank]

Shutup Buck. My *** is bigger than yours.

hank

[Buckeye67]

Hah My *** Is Better Because It Was Made By A Guy Who Forgot More About *** Than Anyone Else In History Ok I Had A *** For Over 40 Years So I Know My *** Pwns Urz Noob Qq Moar Plz Hahahahahahahha

[hank]

Hah My *** Is Better Because It Was Made By A Guy Who Forgot More About *** Than Anyone Else In History Ok I Had A *** For Over 40 Years So I Know My *** Pwns Urz Noob Qq Moar Plz Hahahahahahahha

Nu huh
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infiniti

Close thread please. We are done here.

hank

[Buckeye67]

A to the M to the E to the N.

[cliffg]

Mohica:

My initial points were that 1) I have handled, shot, and am familiar with a wide variety of rifles over the years, and 2) I am very familiar with the Steyr AUG-SA. My bona fides on this issue.

Congratulations one more time, but still not to sure what your point is. I got my first one as state previously at least 20 years ago, mid 80's I guess. Had a Flemming trigger pack in it. I have had a dozen post samples over the years as well as a few registered receivers and Qualified packs. All neat stuff, but not the end all maw makes them out to be. If you like them, that is cool. I prefere other platforms.

I have no idea how many I have put down range with the AUG platform over the years. 100K rounds? I really don't know. I have to say I probably only have about 5k through the STG556.

I presume from your above comments that you are either a Class III dealer or possibly a manufacturer. AFAIK, the only Class III AUG receivers in civilian hands are either pre-86 modifications of SA, pre-86 dealer samples, or LEO. If you could, lay out your bona fides, please? I am not doubting you specifically, but I have seen too many "expert" posts on the Steyr AUG by wanna-be's, sock puppets, and Airsofters that I always cast a skeptical eye. I think it would do a lot to calm down the conversation.

Thanks.

[Flagg]

I like my Steyr as well.

I see the "curse of the Steyr AUG" has once again resulted in my beloved service rifle being tarnished by another cr@p thread.

Mohica...I don't care if your last name is Browning, Kalashnikov, or Glock.....or if you're the frickin' designer of the stg556.

you need to pull your head in and re-read your posts from the perspective that you are a completely unknown quantity here....amongst many who aren't.

Even if you are right...you are acting all wrong.


If you have something to share...share it with some humility.

Everyone else...quit piling on.......maybe someday we can have a Steyr thread that doesn't turn into a sack of poos.

[mohica]

Mohica:

My initial points were that 1) I have handled, shot, and am familiar with a wide variety of rifles over the years, and 2) I am very familiar with the Steyr AUG-SA. My bona fides on this issue.





I presume from your above comments that you are either a Class III dealer or possibly a manufacturer. AFAIK, the only Class III AUG receivers in civilian hands are either pre-86 modifications of SA, pre-86 dealer samples, or LEO. If you could, lay out your bona fides, please? I am not doubting you specifically, but I have seen too many "expert" posts on the Steyr AUG by wanna-be's, sock puppets, and Airsofters that I always cast a skeptical eye. I think it would do a lot to calm down the conversation.

Thanks.

You are correct, since around 1980.

All transferable receivers are conversions of semi-auto weapons. The most popular and simple method for transferables is the registered trigger pack. It is also the most common. Qualified and Bill Flemming probably did the most.

Pre samples are not too rare. Post samples are available too, just need your letter unless you make one. No one would do so now though with the price of semi's.

[VansRV]

I prefer a Styer AUG over a Clot AR15 every dayhttp://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w310/theholeinthedonut/Divers/iconyeswq4.gif

Funny, the SASR don't feel that way. :roll:

[mohica]

I like my Steyr as well.

I see the "curse of the Steyr AUG" has once again resulted in my beloved service rifle being tarnished by another cr@p thread.

Mohica...I don't care if your last name is Browning, Kalashnikov, or Glock.....or if you're the frickin' designer of the stg556.

you need to pull your head in and re-read your posts from the perspective that you are a completely unknown quantity here....amongst many who aren't.

Even if you are right...you are acting all wrong.


If you have something to share...share it with some humility.

Everyone else...quit piling on.......maybe someday we can have a Steyr thread that doesn't turn into a sack of poos.

Once again, the kool-aid comes to the surface. I have never said the AUG was a bad weapon, all I have said is the STG556 is a product improved version of that platform. My opinion. Dig it.

I don't care if I am an "unknown quantitiy here", that is the way it will remain. I can hardly claim my nirvana as being a "known quantity" on Military Photos. If this is as good as it gets, ...........

It is amazing to me that not one person it seems has actually handled the STG556 much less shot one, and all are so stuck in their opinions, that is all they are, opinions, that they can't even acknowledge that maybe, just maybe, there is some merit to what I am saying. Some are so quick to criticize and they never even had the rifle in their hands! How can you form an opinion much less claim you have a valid opinion, when you have never even handled the rifle?

I will no longer waste my time here. I have no stake in the company, and could care less if anyone here purchases an STG556 or not. don't care if you think the AUG is the second coming. Just don't care.

[Buckeye67]

Are you able to post without making some ****ty little snide comment at someone who disagrees with you?

I may be wrong, but I'm guessing that that's what Flagg meant when he said that even if you're right about the subject, you're going about it all wrong.

You come off like a douchebag. If you stop that, you might find that people might take the time to listen to what you're saying.

[hank]

I will no longer waste my time here.

Damn, and I was just getting to know and like you.

hank

[theholeinthedonut]

Funny, the SASR don't feel that way. :roll:

That's becuase they are SASR and I am LU-AEFhttp://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w310/theholeinthedonut/Divers/iconyeswq4.gif

[mohica]

Are you able to post without making some ****ty little snide comment at someone who disagrees with you?

I may be wrong, but I'm guessing that that's what Flagg meant when he said that even if you're right about the subject, you're going about it all wrong.

You come off like a douchebag. If you stop that, you might find that people might take the time to listen to what you're saying.


If you could comprehend my posts, you would see that NO ONE that is disagreeing or criticizing my position had ever handled the STG556. Never compared it to the Steyr. Therefore, how can you disagree or have a valid opinion without ever handling, examining, or shooting the rifle, or anything else for that matter? Just for the sake of disagreeing?

If you can tell me how that is done, I am all ears. All these naysayers want to do is run off at the mouth with no legitimate imput based on their own experience comparing the two rifles.

So, I will ask all that have attacked me for voicing my opinion, based on my personal experience, not read in a magazine or on the interenet, who else has handled the STG556? Taken it apart and compared it to a AUG? Shot it? Anyone? buckeye67? hank? maw? I thought not.

cliffg was the only reasonable guy that wasn't insulting.

The only thing I can surmise is these guys "feel" threatened when they think something they own is challenged by an upstart that might be a tad better. If you don't like the message, don't shoot the messenger.

[theholeinthedonut]

I'm proud of my paedagogical skills.

EDIT: Mohica, we all like you and your humble ways...buckeye and hank should be ashamed. I will punish them.

[mohica]

I'm proud of my paedagogical skills.

That is great Hole, but I am trying to figure out whom and what you have taught that is relevant to this discussion. Please expound.

EDIT: Mohica, we all like you and your humble ways...buckeye and hank should be ashamed. I will punish them.

We?

[hank]

Mohica, I don't know you from Adam. And frankly based on what I've seen I don't want to.

But I know hole and to the extent there are any real deals here, he is one. His collection of weapons is really among the finest you'll see. There are others here with similar collections but hole's is impressive. Maybe you should post less and search and read more til you know that lay of the land.

More importantly, however, he's a good guy. So, in the immortal words of Cali Joe - lighten up Francis.

And before you turn your attention to me. I am not BTDT and I own 2 guns (Remington 1100 12 guage and an old beatup Remington 22). I've never been in the same room as an AUG and know nothing about them other than what I've read, which is paltry.

hank

[mohica]

Hank -

that is good and well, and back at ya. Hole might be a wonderful guy. His collection may be wonderful also. That is all superfluous and irrelevant. It doesn't change the fact that NO ONE (including Hole) has addressed the issue of the STG556 being a product improved version of the AUG other than to poo poo anything to the positive about the rifle or me as an individual. Again, if you don't like the message, don't shoot the messenger.

I may not be a member of the "boy's club" on this forum and have no desire to be. I also could care less about a perceived pecking order of a who's who on this forum, but I do know what I know. I did the leg work. I did the comparisons. I have owned and shot both extensively. So, for the umpteenth time, has anyone else done the same? If not, then I suggest someone do so and report back their findings after many thousands of rounds and many hours of time.

Otherwise it is just allot of hot vapor from disputatious individuals.

[theholeinthedonut]

That is great Hole, but I am trying to figure out whom and what you have taught that is relevant to this discussion. Please expound.



We?

I taught you how to spell Steyr. Not bad for a starter.

Pluralis majestatis.

[mohica]

I taught you how to spell Steyr. Not bad for a starter.

Pluralis majestatis.

Oh yes Hank, here we have a high quality individual that resorts to the childish and mundane. Yep, he is the "real deal".

[hank]

Oh yes Hank, here we have a high quality individual that resorts to the childish and mundane. Yep, he is the "real deal".

Keep digging mohica. You've earned your moment in the spotlight.

hank

[Indiana Jones]

Oh yes Hank, here we have a high quality individual that resorts to the childish and mundane. Yep, he is the "real deal".
Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi.






























Just kidding. But on a more serious note, as somebody who has "discussed" with you before, your diction and writing style do not necessarily contribute to keeping things factual.

[theholeinthedonut]

Oh yes Hank, here we have a high quality individual that resorts to the childish and mundane. Yep, he is the "real deal".

Next thing we will try is to make a distinction inbetween facts and myths. Take as an example the delivery of Steyr HS50's by Iran to Iraqi insurgents, that was a myth, there were no facts to undermine the statements so Central Command had to officialy deny the claims, no Steyrs were ever found in Iraq and no one was ever "in deep ****" over a delivery of HS 50's to Iran. Another myth is that Steyr-Mannlicher was recently sold or that they stopped the production of the AUG.
People who base their "expertise" on such myths loose their credibility.
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showpost.php?p=2572066&postcount=105

But still we are horribly impressed by your awesomeness.

[Canadian Sig]

. It doesn't change the fact that NO ONE (including Hole) has addressed the issue of the STG556 being a product improved version of the AUG .....

A polished turd is still a turd...just my $.03 (adjusting for inflation).

{with appologies to my Euro frineds as I do understand your affinty for the weapon I was just never impressed with it as a system ....forgive me Hole ;)}


oh and Mohica; you need to chill a bit buds. If you want folks to listen you might try a softer aproach.

[mohica]

A polished turd is still a turd...just my $.03 (adjusting for inflation).

{with appologies to my Euro frineds as I do understand your affinty for the weapon I was just never impressed with it as a system ....forgive me Hole ;)}


oh and Mohica; you need to chill a bit buds. If you want folks to listen you might try a softer aproach.


Haaa, that was original. Thanks "bud" for the advice, not only from you but the others that are so concerned with my "approach" but as of yet, not have stepped up to the plate with a sensible response to the question or any information gleaned by their own investment of time and money to present an honest opinion based in something more than etherworld BS.

All I get is inane rhetoric as they dodge the subject and question that I will ask again for the umpteeth umpteenth time. Has anyone that has been critical, sarcastic, grandiloquent, nonsensical, etc. in their opinion of the STG556 have any hands on experience in examining the rifle by itself and against an AUG? Has anyone done any shooting comparisons? Any type of anything that approaches something outside of internet fueled BS and unwarranted bias?

C'mon hole, you seem to have been elevated to expert status here. Have you ever even seen an STG556 in person? Put your money where you rmouth is. Back it up. Give us YOUR hands on experience. I am all ears. You can particpate too Canuck, seeing you are the Johnny come lately and didn't offer anything of merit either.

It is unfathomable to me that I come here in good faith with an honest assessment of what I consider to be a product improved weapons platform, based on hands on experience, and all you get is a bunch of schoolyard attacks by disingenuous folks that seem intent on flexing their muscle from behind a keyboard apparently for no other reason than to impress their "buds". I don't get it.

[Canadian Sig]

You can particpate too Canuck, seeing you are the Johnny come lately and didn't offer anything of merit either.



My experiance comes from hands on in a war zone. What I offered was my opinion that the Aug was not a great platform to begin with and "polishing it" serves little purpose.


As for the Johnny come lately you'll have to forgive me as I've been preparing to redeploy to said war zone again.

Cheers.

[Laworkerbee]

mohica,

May I suggest some light reading for you? How to Win Friends and Influence People by Dale Carnegie.

Seriously.

[AUDIEM249]

mohica,

May I suggest some light reading for you? How to Win Friends and Influence People by Dale Carnegie.

Seriously. seriously man, sounds like a rant i go off on when someone talks **** about Diet Pepsi
"i have drank ten times the amount of Diet Pepsi that you have a coke and that makes me a subject matter expert on the orgasmic taste of diet pepsi"

[Laworkerbee]

I finger ****ed an AUG a few times and only consider myself qualified to know Mohica is an asshole
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/6259/cndrsht19qo8.jpg
OMFGAMERICANAUGGREATESTSTRONGOVEREURPOEEVER :roll:

BTW I agree Audie, Diet Pepsi is the ****!

[HOLLiS]

Otherwise it is just allot of hot vapor from disputatious individuals.


Well you manage to corner my attention as well as others. It seem you feel that sage advice is not worth taking.

I hope my subtle hint, helps.

H.

[10th albatross]

I finger ****ed an AUG a few times and only consider myself qualified to know Mohica is an asshole
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/6259/cndrsht19qo8.jpg
OMFGAMERICANAUGGREATESTSTRONGOVEREURPOEEVER :roll:

BTW I agree Audie, Diet Pepsi is the ****!

Now does that fire a 7.62 or a 5.56? We all know that the 7.62 round is far superior.

[Canadian Sig]

OMG...Charlie Brown loadout!!!!

Mohica. Your experiance with the Aug system? Bench/Range or Field/Mudhole&Dustbowl?

I am perfectly willing to accept that the American version may be an improved weapon (The Canucks did it with the M16 platform via Diemaco) but until it gets proven in the field it's sort of speculation.


I also have to admit a bias in that I really dont like bullpup configs.

[hank]

Now does that fire a 7.62 or a 5.56? We all know that the 7.62 round is far superior.

Please stop with the flames. We all know that the new 6.8 round is the best. Don't show your ignorance. It will not help here.

mohica

[AUDIEM249]

BTW I agree Audie, Diet Pepsi is the ****! stop agreeing with me p-)

[Laworkerbee]

Fine, Pepsi is a **** mixer. You will never hear "Yo bartender give me a Jack and Pepsi".

[AUDIEM249]

Fine, Diet Pepsi is a an mixer. You will never hear "Yo bartender give me a Jack and Diet Pepsi". Fixed
i wouldnt know what bartenders say :(

[mohica]

My experiance comes from hands on in a war zone. What I offered was my opinion that the Aug was not a great platform to begin with and "polishing it" serves little purpose.


As for the Johnny come lately you'll have to forgive me as I've been preparing to redeploy to said war zone again.

Cheers.

Yeah? What "war zone" have you been in and had an opportunity to use an AUG?

BTW, it ain't my favorite either, but I still don't understand how people that have never even handled the rifle can have an informed opinion of it.

[hank]

This has to be a put-on. Nobody is this stupid really.

noassatall? Did you grow up in Oklahoma or something?

hank

[HOLLiS]

This has to be a put-on. Nobody is this stupid really.

noassatall? Did you grow up in Oklahoma or something?

hank


His daddy called him back for plow time. His daddy needed a ass to pull the plow. So he has a 30 days holiday, unless......

[hank]

Well played. I'm just glad I got to see it before it was pulled. I really couldn't believe someone with such vast AUG experience would post such nonsense. It was like he was possessed by a very country and backwards 11 year old. Wait, you don't think . . . . .

hank

[StukaJr]

At least he didn't use Discovery Channel videos as proof of his statements this time around - good riddance, he was a waste of air to argue with...

[chulo_allen]

His daddy called him back for plow time. His daddy needed a ass to pull the plow. So he has a 30 days holiday, unless......
you mean there is a chance it will be longer than 30 days?

[HOLLiS]

you mean there is a chance it will be longer than 30 days?


yep.....................

[chulo_allen]

yep.....................
sounds good.. like Buckeye said
....

I may be wrong, but I'm guessing that that's what Flagg meant when he said that even if you're right about the subject, you're going about it all wrong.

You come off like a douchebag. If you stop that, you might find that people might take the time to listen to what you're saying.
i wonder how long that would take..

[10th albatross]

This thread was amazing, I can understand people having an opinion but at least listen to others and keep it civil.

[theholeinthedonut]

All the good stuff always happens when I'm asleep. Europistan sucks when you want to hang out on MPnet.

[cliffg]

It doesn't change the fact that NO ONE (including Hole) has addressed the issue of the STG556 being a product improved version of the AUG other than to poo poo anything to the positive about the rifle or me as an individual. Again, if you don't like the message, don't shoot the messenger.

Mohica, I have no intention of shooting anyone. Since you said that I am the most reasonable respondent in this thread, then let me respond further. First, your statement that the STG556 is a "product improved" AUG is subjective, not objective (or "scientific" as you said earlier). It is your opinion, nothing more. I once saw someone in the '70s rework a reasonably intact '66 Mustang with shag carpet, cowhide seats, "pimp wheels" (his term, not mine), and a neon yellow paint job. Did he improve it over the original version? He sure though so. I sure didn't.

To me, my AUG is the finest rifle I have ever owned. That is my opinion based on my experience, nothing more. I do not think the forward assist on the STG556, placed where it is, is an improvement. I worry that if you didn't get your cheek weld just right, you could end up with a mouth full of forward assist when you pull the trigger. Again, that is my opinion based on my experience, nothing more. You are free to disagree with me.

So your claim that NO ONE has addressed the issue of the STG556 as a product improved AUG, has been answered. Time and time again. Your opinion is that it is. The vast majority opinion here, including my opinion, is that it isn't.

I know you said earlier that you were a Class III dealer, but did not elaborate further. I am very curious as to why you are insistent on defending this rifle and the claim that is a "product improved" AUG. Why the loyalty, being simply a dealer, if you do not have a vested interest in the STG556 being thought of as a better, and therefore more marketable, product? It is most unusual.

[Canadian Sig]

Yeah? What "war zone" have you been in and had an opportunity to use an AUG?

.

This is a lesson in poor SA. Repeat after me: "Scan and breathe.....scan and breathe".

[hank]

This thread was amazing, I can understand people having an opinion but at least listen to others and keep it civil.

f**k off p*ssy

hank

[hank]

I know you said earlier that you were a Class III dealer, but did not elaborate further. I am very curious as to why you are insistent on defending this rifle and the claim that is a "product improved" AUG. Why the loyalty, being simply a dealer, if you do not have a vested interest in the STG556 being thought of as a better, and therefore more marketable, product? It is most unusual.

Sadly, this may never be answered. Goodbye mohica you ignorant sl*t.

hank

[James]

Goodbye mohica you ignorant sl*t.

Well said. Goodbye, douche.

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/4089/mpcu5.jpg

[chulo_allen]

well seems like his vacation may last for more than 30 days..



can i request this thread be locked.. or it will just become a memorial to stupid people with socializing problems

[James]

can i request this thread be locked.. or it will just become a memorial to stupid people with socializing problems

By your command.

*edit*

Let's let others enjoy this thread for a bit... p-)

[VansRV]

Looks like the U.S. is getting real AUG A3's later this year.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=2&t=240722&page=1

[mrmeindl]

Looks like the U.S. is getting real AUG A3's later this year.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=2&t=240722&page=1

Linky no Worky...but I am in "Europistan".

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Chen or Lawb, How would you say the AUG/or varients trigger pull compare to the AR's. Tighter, hairier, or non comparible?