BREAKING: Another 6 Israeli soldiers killed near border

[ariweiner]

Report: Blast Kills 6 Israeli Soldiers

15 minutes ago


By IBRAHIM BARZAK, Associated Press Writer

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip - An explosion ripped apart an Israeli armored personnel carrier Wednesday on the Gaza-Egypt border, and Arabic-language TV stations broadcasting in Beirut said six soldiers were killed.

The military said the vehicle was patrolling an Israeli-controlled road on the border when the bomb went off. The road runs along the Palestinian refugee camp of Rafah, scene of almost daily battles. Israel repeatedly targets Rafah, trying to destroy weapons smuggling tunnels.

It was the second such bombing in two days. On Tuesday, six Israeli soldiers were killed when their armored personnel carrier was shredded by a roadside bomb in Gaza City, prompting a massive Israeli incursion into a densely populated neighborhood.

[Marmot1]

Is it NEXT APC or the same as yesterday???

[mustamato]

I have been thinking for years, "why doesn´t the dumbass Palestinians make IED´s
of the several kilos of explosives instead of blowing themself up". Seems that they
have finally figured it out. The Israeli wall that has made life more difficult for wannabe
suicide bombers maybe has played a part in it as well?

[scm77]

:( RIP

I have a feeling someone in Hamas is going to be Sharowned pretty soon. :bash:

[Argyll]

I have been thinking for years, "why doesn´t the dumbass Palestinians make IED´s
of the several kilos of explosives instead of blowing themself up". Seems that they
have finally figured it out. The Israeli wall that has made life more difficult for wannabe
suicide bombers maybe has played a part in it as well?


How unusual of you to think from the insurgents POV,and not condoning the attack and the loss of life, :cantbeli: .
Most people either post some form of respect,or condone such acts........but then again should we have expected anything different?

[ExtraT]

I have been thinking for years, "why doesn´t the dumbass Palestinians make IED´s
of the several kilos of explosives instead of blowing themself up". Seems that they
have finally figured it out. The Israeli wall that has made life more difficult for wannabe
suicide bombers maybe has played a part in it as well?

As always, you are much less informed than you think.

Pals have been laying IEDs for years - it's just that they weren't very effective. What's heppening right now, is a combination of IEDs and an ATGM ambush, which is a Hizbullah strategy. It would seem that Hizbullah has been providing training. :(

[MEGR]

RIP. I didn't get to comment on yesterday's ambush, but I am disgusted at the parading of body parts by these sub-humans. I'm pretty sure the Israel will get even however.

[IDFM203]

You see instead of them constantlly targeting and trying to blow up ONLY civilians for the most part, they have finally got some of our troops....oh wait that’s right, they haven’t stopped targeting civilians, I mean just because of IDF actions and also of course the anti terror security fence, they have been severely limited but their attempts have not stopped.

As such when the IDF goes in to go after bomb workshops and go after murderess there, the only thing left they can do is use IED's and indeed they have been a bit successful these past two days.

To me as callous as this may sound to my own troops (and may they rest in peace) id rather we force thier war to finally go at the army and have our solders be hit then how it was before the IDF went strong (around two years ago) to where civilians were being blown up on a almost daily basis by their purposeful targeting of them.

I think the IDF has been very successful in limiting their infiltrations into Israel to blow up civilians and as such the IDF needs to keep up the pressure and continue to go after them.

Shalom

[Marmot1]

I have been thinking for years, "why doesn´t the dumbass Palestinians make IED´s
of the several kilos of explosives instead of blowing themself up". Seems that they
have finally figured it out. The Israeli wall that has made life more difficult for wannabe
suicide bombers maybe has played a part in it as well?


How unusual of you to think from the insurgents POV,and not condoning the attack and the loss of life, :cantbeli: .
Most people either post some form of respect,or condone such acts........but then again should we have expected anything different?

Agryll you see... you expect everybody to share your point of view. You are Israeli fan musta is Palestinian fan thats the diference. I personally regret every dead no matter from which side he is. This conflict is senseless but I understand that palestinians have right for self defence. Those 2 APC's were on Palestinian side of border so they were legitimate targets. Just like legitimete targets are palestinian suicide-bombers on Israeli side.

[One?]

its not the first time they use a 50 KG IED. They used on a merkava before. But in order to blow the IED they have to somehow ambush the APC/Tank and thats not an easy thing to do.

[Argyll]

I have been thinking for years, "why doesn´t the dumbass Palestinians make IED´s
of the several kilos of explosives instead of blowing themself up". Seems that they
have finally figured it out. The Israeli wall that has made life more difficult for wannabe
suicide bombers maybe has played a part in it as well?


How unusual of you to think from the insurgents POV,and not condoning the attack and the loss of life, :cantbeli: .
Most people either post some form of respect,or condone such acts........but then again should we have expected anything different?

Agryll you see... you expect everybody to share your point of view. You are Israeli fan musta is Palestinian fan thats the diference. I personally regret every dead no matter from which side he is. This conflict is senseless but I understand that palestinians have right for self defence. Those 2 APC's were on Palestinian side of border so they were legitimate targets. Just like legitimete targets are palestinian suicide-bombers on Israeli side.


WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG........AND I'M REALLY EXTREMELY ANGRY ABOUT WHAT YOU HAVE WRITTEN HERE,THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MY OPINION ,THIS SITE IS AN AMERICAN BASED SITE,AND A PERSON WHO SUPPORTS THE ACTS OF TERRORISTS AND INSURGENTS HERE IS FOOLHARDY TO SAY THE LEAST,
I AM AN EX SOLDIER WHO SPENT HIS LIFE FIGHTING TERRORISM IN SOME FORM,AND HAVE NO SYMPATHIES TOWARDS THEM ,I DO HAVE FOR MY BRETHERN WHO FIGHT TERRORISM AND LOSE THEIR LIVES NO MATTER WHERE THEY ARE IN THE WORLD SOMETHING YOU FAIL TO UNDERSTAND YOU OPENLY SUPPORT TERRORISTS AND TERRORISM HERE YOU'RE GONE GET IT,DO YOU GET IT I HAVE LOST FRIENDS AND SO HAVE MANY HERE FROM THESE SUCH ACTS,AND THIS SITE DOES NOT AND NEVER WILL SUPPORT THE ACTIONS OF INSURGENTS OR TERRORISM AND I'M WILLING TO BET MY LEFT NUT HOOD AND THE REST OF THE MODERATORS ARE 100% BEHIND THIS.

[hey]

Marmot1 wrote:

Those 2 APC's were on Palestinian side of border so they were legitimate targets. Just like legitimete targets are palestinian suicide-bombers on Israeli side.
Marmot1, I hope you didn't compare Israeli APCs looking for bomb labs and rockets factorys to suicide-bombers looking for buses..

btw, 10 pal' civilens injured from this blow.. this callaterol damage is ok, right mustamato and ariweiner? you didn't even mention it. you don't even care,or I must say, you don't care just if they got injured by the right side(in your POV). If Israeli soldier die you dont care , you even think its ok, and give explanetions why it's was so good, If pal' terrorist die you attacking Israel about its evilness. And you call yourself a liberal.. go figure.
Just for you to know, all deaths are bad, idiots!

Hypocrisy in its glory!

[IDFM203]

its not the first time they use a 50 KG IED. They used on a merkava before. But in order to blow the IED they have to somehow ambush the APC/Tank and thats not an easy thing to do.yes it isn’t that easy for there have been many incursions with tanks and APC's to go after bomb workshops or after homicide bombers or its planners, and most of them (tanks and APC’s) come back at most times, but indeed there are times when as we see happened today and the other day.

Shalom

[aktarian]

What's heppening right now, is a combination of IEDs and an ATGM ambush, which is a Hizbullah strategy. It would seem that Hizbullah has been providing training. :(

:cantbeli: Somebody does soemthing that works. Somebody else does same because they see it works. It's clear that people who did it first are training those who did it later.

Could it be that Palestinians saw what worked in Lebanon and copied their tactics? Nah, it must have been Hezbollah training. Same as Guderian tought Israelis combined arms doctrine. :roll:

[mack pl]

all deaths are bad
Agree.

[ExtraT]

:cantbeli: Somebody does soemthing that works. Somebody else does same because they see it works. It's clear that people who did it first are training those who did it later.

No, I'm afraid it's not that easy. Firing an ATGM (and hitting the target) or preparing an effective IED is far from a simple "read and learn" thing. Same applies to the precise tactics of the ambush. Not to mention that details of attacks are always kept secret.

Also, there were plenty Hizbullah agents arrested in Gaza in the past years.

[aktarian]

:cantbeli: Somebody does soemthing that works. Somebody else does same because they see it works. It's clear that people who did it first are training those who did it later.

No, I'm afraid it's not that easy. Firing an ATGM (and hitting the target) or preparing an effective IED is far from a simple "read and learn" thing. Same applies to the precise tactics of the ambush. Not to mention that details of attacks are always kept secret.


No, there is definetly direct exchange of knowledge going on.

So Hezbollah is also training Iraqi insurgents?

[ExtraT]

I don't know. But it's definetly possible. Considering that they are bored out of their skulls in Lebanon, I think they can be found pretty much anywhere nowadays.

[Saranof]

WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG........AND I'M REALLY EXTREMELY ANGRY ABOUT WHAT YOU HAVE WRITTEN HERE,THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MY OPINION ,THIS SITE IS AN AMERICAN BASED SITE,AND A PERSON WHO SUPPORTS THE ACTS OF TERRORISTS AND INSURGENTS HERE IS FOOLHARDY TO SAY THE LEAST,
I AM AN EX SOLDIER WHO SPENT HIS LIFE FIGHTING TERRORISM IN SOME FORM,AND HAVE NO SYMPATHIES TOWARDS THEM ,I DO HAVE FOR MY BRETHERN WHO FIGHT TERRORISM AND LOSE THEIR LIVES NO MATTER WHERE THEY ARE IN THE WORLD SOMETHING YOU FAIL TO UNDERSTAND YOU OPENLY SUPPORT TERRORISTS AND TERRORISM HERE YOU'RE GONE GET IT,DO YOU GET IT I HAVE LOST FRIENDS AND SO HAVE MANY HERE FROM THESE SUCH ACTS,AND THIS SITE DOES NOT AND NEVER WILL SUPPORT THE ACTIONS OF INSURGENTS OR TERRORISM AND I'M WILLING TO BET MY LEFT NUT HOOD AND THE REST OF THE MODERATORS ARE 100% BEHIND THIS.

Many would disagree. Musta clearly just pondered over why they used a IED now insterad of throwing themselves at the APC. The fact that he didn't go over the top with RIPs and the usual "kill the **** palestinians and arabs leftist europeans are to blame" dosn't mean that he thought it was a sweet thing that happended.
I want to make it clear that I don't think it was a nice thhing either.

But again, some might say..

[aktarian]

I don't know. But it's definetly possible. Considering that they are bored out of their skulls in Lebanon, I think they can be found pretty much anywhere nowadays.

Specially how to killing as much shi'ias as possible and how to bomb shi'ia holy places. :roll:

[alexbmn]

looks like 'limited pinpoint raids" (dash in dash out) are starting to backfire. The Palis always regroup.

[ExtraT]

I don't know. But it's definetly possible. Considering that they are bored out of their skulls in Lebanon, I think they can be found pretty much anywhere nowadays.

Specially how to killing as much shi'ias as possible and how to bomb shi'ia holy places. :roll:

Tell me, what are you trying to prove with all these remarks of yours? And why are you so interested in protecting Hizbullah?

[Argyll]

WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG........AND I'M REALLY EXTREMELY ANGRY ABOUT WHAT YOU HAVE WRITTEN HERE,THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MY OPINION ,THIS SITE IS AN AMERICAN BASED SITE,AND A PERSON WHO SUPPORTS THE ACTS OF TERRORISTS AND INSURGENTS HERE IS FOOLHARDY TO SAY THE LEAST,
I AM AN EX SOLDIER WHO SPENT HIS LIFE FIGHTING TERRORISM IN SOME FORM,AND HAVE NO SYMPATHIES TOWARDS THEM ,I DO HAVE FOR MY BRETHERN WHO FIGHT TERRORISM AND LOSE THEIR LIVES NO MATTER WHERE THEY ARE IN THE WORLD SOMETHING YOU FAIL TO UNDERSTAND YOU OPENLY SUPPORT TERRORISTS AND TERRORISM HERE YOU'RE GONE GET IT,DO YOU GET IT I HAVE LOST FRIENDS AND SO HAVE MANY HERE FROM THESE SUCH ACTS,AND THIS SITE DOES NOT AND NEVER WILL SUPPORT THE ACTIONS OF INSURGENTS OR TERRORISM AND I'M WILLING TO BET MY LEFT NUT HOOD AND THE REST OF THE MODERATORS ARE 100% BEHIND THIS.

Many would disagree. Musta clearly just pondered over why they used a IED now insterad of throwing themselves at the APC. The fact that he didn't go over the top with RIPs and the usual "kill the **** palestinians and arabs leftist europeans are to blame" dosn't mean that he thought it was a sweet thing that happended.
I want to make it clear that I don't think it was a nice thhing either.

But again, some might say..

Very true but he did ponder long enough to condone the act,yes/no?
How easy would it to have been to condemn the attack when "pondering",that is unless you felt they were perfectly justified,just like marmot did. :cantbeli:
See comments justifying such actions carried out by a terrorist orginisation hold no place here,do you not agree on this?
If you want to support their actions(terrorists) then perhaps going to a site where they are far more appreciated and supported would be the correct choice.?

[aktarian]

I don't know. But it's definetly possible. Considering that they are bored out of their skulls in Lebanon, I think they can be found pretty much anywhere nowadays.

Specially how to killing as much shi'ias as possible and how to bomb shi'ia holy places. :roll:

Tell me, what are you trying to prove with all these remarks of yours?

That you are jumping to conclusion.



And why are you so interested in protecting Hizbullah?

Because you are jumping to conclusions.

[ExtraT]

That you are jumping to conclusion.


I'm not jumping to any conclusions. What I said was my personal opinion, based on past (proven) Hizbullah invovlvements in Gaza.

I certainly don't have any real proof of that yet. More so, there isn't even any reliable information weather ATGMs were used in these attacks.

[ariweiner]

Sincere question Argyll: Why is this attack uncondonable? It was a legitimate military attack against an invading and occupying army. We should be congratulating the Palestinians on targetting combatants. That's my view.

[Argyll]

Guys this is starting to turn into some Flaming here......

[Marmot1]

I have been thinking for years, "why doesn´t the dumbass Palestinians make IED´s
of the several kilos of explosives instead of blowing themself up". Seems that they
have finally figured it out. The Israeli wall that has made life more difficult for wannabe
suicide bombers maybe has played a part in it as well?


How unusual of you to think from the insurgents POV,and not condoning the attack and the loss of life, :cantbeli: .
Most people either post some form of respect,or condone such acts........but then again should we have expected anything different?

Agryll you see... you expect everybody to share your point of view. You are Israeli fan musta is Palestinian fan thats the diference. I personally regret every dead no matter from which side he is. This conflict is senseless but I understand that palestinians have right for self defence. Those 2 APC's were on Palestinian side of border so they were legitimate targets. Just like legitimete targets are palestinian suicide-bombers on Israeli side.


WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG........AND I'M REALLY EXTREMELY ANGRY ABOUT WHAT YOU HAVE WRITTEN HERE,THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MY OPINION ,THIS SITE IS AN AMERICAN BASED SITE,AND A PERSON WHO SUPPORTS THE ACTS OF TERRORISTS AND INSURGENTS HERE IS FOOLHARDY TO SAY THE LEAST,
I AM AN EX SOLDIER WHO SPENT HIS LIFE FIGHTING TERRORISM IN SOME FORM,AND HAVE NO SYMPATHIES TOWARDS THEM ,I DO HAVE FOR MY BRETHERN WHO FIGHT TERRORISM AND LOSE THEIR LIVES NO MATTER WHERE THEY ARE IN THE WORLD SOMETHING YOU FAIL TO UNDERSTAND YOU OPENLY SUPPORT TERRORISTS AND TERRORISM HERE YOU'RE GONE GET IT,DO YOU GET IT I HAVE LOST FRIENDS AND SO HAVE MANY HERE FROM THESE SUCH ACTS,AND THIS SITE DOES NOT AND NEVER WILL SUPPORT THE ACTIONS OF INSURGENTS OR TERRORISM AND I'M WILLING TO BET MY LEFT NUT HOOD AND THE REST OF THE MODERATORS ARE 100% BEHIND THIS.

I DO NOT SUPPORT TERRORISM... I never DID and never WOULD.

...but INSURGENTS are another topic...

As you know "my terrorist is your freedom fighter and your freedom fighter is my terrorist" that is old saying.

For Germans Polish Home Army soldiers were "Banditen" but for Polish people they were "Heroes".

Insurgency against occupant is legal even acording to geneva.

Of course it is hard to distinguish insurgent and terrorist but do not mix them. Terrorists act to archive complettly diferent goals, usualy sick goals. Those who decapitated that man yesterday certanly are terrorists and deserve to die and I hope somebody put lead in their heads.

[Argyll]

Sincere question Argyll: Why is this attack uncondonable? It was a legitimate military attack against an invading and occupying army. We should be congratulating the Palestinians on targetting combatants. That's my view.

that is bull**** and you know it,it was carried out by a Terrorist Orginisation.

Please PM Hood and repeat to him what you just posted here,in fact please PM all the Moderators and repeat what you just posted here.

What you have done is made a post designed to start a Flame war.

I'm locking this one temporary,so that Marmot can make a post to ask his fellow Poles a question on an open forum

[-=P=-]

I doubt the Hizbollah would train Hamaz, idiological supprt and coordination maybe but not direct "help", parts of the Islamic Jihad yes.

[Javehn]

Sincere question Argyll: Why is this attack uncondonable? It was a legitimate military attack against an invading and occupying army. We should be congratulating the Palestinians on targetting combatants. That's my view.

One mistake here . Honnest , really honnest mistake . It allows you never the less to bash the memory of the soldiers , when you can bash in other thread .

The mistake is : It happened on the road called "Filadelfi" . Road is Israeli , it is security road between Israel and Egypt . It's in Israel , it's Israeli control , PA has nothing to do with , except the fact that it's very close to PA city of Rafah . And every day shots are fired from PA city on the Israeli road .

So , it is a problem to call it justified act of self defence , you see ? Simple act of misseducation . But who cares for facts ?

[alexbmn]

why are you guys trying to argue with somebody who is rooting for the enemy? Anywhat's what's happening? Israeli online media is frozen again. Is Sharon going to destroy a few more empty toilets?

[aktarian]

That you are jumping to conclusion.


I'm not jumping to any conclusions. What I said was my personal opinion, based on past (proven) Hizbullah invovlvements in Gaza.

You said that since they used same tactics as Hezbollah seems that Hezbollah is providing training. That's like saying "Germans used combined arms and blitzkrieg strategy. Israelis used combined arms and blitzkrieg strategy. It seems Germans provided training for Israelis." Which is of course pure BS. Just because soembody copies soembody it doesn't mean original one is providing training. Using IED isn't that hard. Yes, it has learning curve, but it's not a rocket science. Ditto ATGMs.



I certainly don't have any real proof of that yet. More so, there isn't even any reliable information weather ATGMs were used in these attacks.

Well, that was your claim anyway. I doubt ATGMs were used as they aren't very sefull in cities. To long arming period/minimum distance. And too many obstacles to interfere with guidance, be it wire or something else.

[Javehn]

The fact is that there was Hamas trainies that trained in Lebanon at 90's , and their final test was to shoot a missile on a tank position with a Hisballah teacher . There are Hisballah infiltration inside Gaza , and Islamic Jihad has serious hisballah operating motives . But this operation don't have to be of Hisballah . It can be planned and executed by Jihad , without a problem , they allready did many of those operation (almost every day attempts for that matter) , but they have only succeded now .


Well, that was your claim anyway. I doubt ATGMs were used as they aren't very sefull in cities. To long arming period/minimum distance. And too many obstacles to interfere with guidance, be it wire or something else.

That is not exactly correct . In basic version of the missile (let's say AT-3) it is correct , but ussualy the safety mechanism is getting ultered , along with the war head , to make it more usefull .

[-=P=-]

Why should the Hizbollah teach the Hamaz complicated and advanced guerrilla warfare tactics ?

Isn’t it so that media and reports make in such cases no difference between Islamic Jihad, Hamaz or Fatah ?

[Mark_Aspen]

ariweiner Posted: Wed May 12, 2004 1:17 pm Post subject:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Sincere question Argyll: Why is this attack uncondonable? It was a legitimate military attack against an invading and occupying army. We should be congratulating the Palestinians on targetting combatants. That's my view.


Borrowing your flawed logic, then I'm equally allowed to respond and defend myself by persuing them, correct? That means even when they run into civilian areas. Even arsim can't have it both ways.

[Argyll]

Why should the Hizbollah teach the Hamaz complicated and advanced guerrilla warfare tactics ?

Isn’t it so that media and reports make in such cases no difference between Islamic Jihad, Hamaz or Fatah ?

During the 80's the PIRA regularly attended Terrorist training camps in the Middle East and in particualr the Bekah Valley,so why would these orginisations not share a common goal now?

[-=P=-]

Palestinians did come to Lebanon and Lebanese were there, Palestinians did their things and the Lebanese formed the Hizbollah. Both initially had the same goal and cooperated to some extend, but later the Palestinians did go to other countries or back to Palestine.

We know Hamaz is supported by Egypt, Saudi Arabia and some others but Hizbollah is supported by the other side of the "Islamic world" and there is no place for real cooperation, coz both sides fight to be at the top, to get the might.

So I see no way for ATGM training for the Hamaz, for the Islamic Jihad maybe.

[Airborneranger4israel]

I have been thinking for years, "why doesn´t the dumbass Palestinians make IED´s
of the several kilos of explosives instead of blowing themself up". Seems that they
have finally figured it out. The Israeli wall that has made life more difficult for wannabe
suicide bombers maybe has played a part in it as well?


How unusual of you to think from the insurgents POV,and not condoning the attack and the loss of life, :cantbeli: .
Most people either post some form of respect,or condone such acts........but then again should we have expected anything different?

Agryll you see... you expect everybody to share your point of view. You are Israeli fan musta is Palestinian fan thats the diference. I personally regret every dead no matter from which side he is. This conflict is senseless but I understand that palestinians have right for self defence. Those 2 APC's were on Palestinian side of border so they were legitimate targets. Just like legitimete targets are palestinian suicide-bombers on Israeli side.


WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG........AND I'M REALLY EXTREMELY ANGRY ABOUT WHAT YOU HAVE WRITTEN HERE,THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MY OPINION ,THIS SITE IS AN AMERICAN BASED SITE,AND A PERSON WHO SUPPORTS THE ACTS OF TERRORISTS AND INSURGENTS HERE IS FOOLHARDY TO SAY THE LEAST,
I AM AN EX SOLDIER WHO SPENT HIS LIFE FIGHTING TERRORISM IN SOME FORM,AND HAVE NO SYMPATHIES TOWARDS THEM ,I DO HAVE FOR MY BRETHERN WHO FIGHT TERRORISM AND LOSE THEIR LIVES NO MATTER WHERE THEY ARE IN THE WORLD SOMETHING YOU FAIL TO UNDERSTAND YOU OPENLY SUPPORT TERRORISTS AND TERRORISM HERE YOU'RE GONE GET IT,DO YOU GET IT I HAVE LOST FRIENDS AND SO HAVE MANY HERE FROM THESE SUCH ACTS,AND THIS SITE DOES NOT AND NEVER WILL SUPPORT THE ACTIONS OF INSURGENTS OR TERRORISM AND I'M WILLING TO BET MY LEFT NUT HOOD AND THE REST OF THE MODERATORS ARE 100% BEHIND THIS.

i commend you on your mature and intelligent response

[Elmo]

WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG........AND I'M REALLY EXTREMELY ANGRY ABOUT WHAT YOU HAVE WRITTEN HERE,THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MY OPINION ,THIS SITE IS AN AMERICAN BASED SITE,AND A PERSON WHO SUPPORTS THE ACTS OF TERRORISTS AND INSURGENTS HERE IS FOOLHARDY TO SAY THE LEAST,
I AM AN EX SOLDIER WHO SPENT HIS LIFE FIGHTING TERRORISM IN SOME FORM,AND HAVE NO SYMPATHIES TOWARDS THEM ,I DO HAVE FOR MY BRETHERN WHO FIGHT TERRORISM AND LOSE THEIR LIVES NO MATTER WHERE THEY ARE IN THE WORLD SOMETHING YOU FAIL TO UNDERSTAND YOU OPENLY SUPPORT TERRORISTS AND TERRORISM HERE YOU'RE GONE GET IT,DO YOU GET IT I HAVE LOST FRIENDS AND SO HAVE MANY HERE FROM THESE SUCH ACTS,AND THIS SITE DOES NOT AND NEVER WILL SUPPORT THE ACTIONS OF INSURGENTS OR TERRORISM AND I'M WILLING TO BET MY LEFT NUT HOOD AND THE REST OF THE MODERATORS ARE 100% BEHIND THIS.

Sure it has nothing to do with your opinion Argyll. You just simply defined the moral order of the world and threatened everyone who may not want to see a black and white world with da boot.

Sure this is an American site but there are different opinions in there, too. Sure you get upset when people show no respect for the dead but apart from your reaction to those you are one of the biggest flamers on this site.

Power always corrupts, even on an internet forum.

[Khabbi]

RIP :petting:

[Argyll]

WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG........AND I'M REALLY EXTREMELY ANGRY ABOUT WHAT YOU HAVE WRITTEN HERE,THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MY OPINION ,THIS SITE IS AN AMERICAN BASED SITE,AND A PERSON WHO SUPPORTS THE ACTS OF TERRORISTS AND INSURGENTS HERE IS FOOLHARDY TO SAY THE LEAST,
I AM AN EX SOLDIER WHO SPENT HIS LIFE FIGHTING TERRORISM IN SOME FORM,AND HAVE NO SYMPATHIES TOWARDS THEM ,I DO HAVE FOR MY BRETHERN WHO FIGHT TERRORISM AND LOSE THEIR LIVES NO MATTER WHERE THEY ARE IN THE WORLD SOMETHING YOU FAIL TO UNDERSTAND YOU OPENLY SUPPORT TERRORISTS AND TERRORISM HERE YOU'RE GONE GET IT,DO YOU GET IT I HAVE LOST FRIENDS AND SO HAVE MANY HERE FROM THESE SUCH ACTS,AND THIS SITE DOES NOT AND NEVER WILL SUPPORT THE ACTIONS OF INSURGENTS OR TERRORISM AND I'M WILLING TO BET MY LEFT NUT HOOD AND THE REST OF THE MODERATORS ARE 100% BEHIND THIS.

Sure it has nothing to do with your opinion Argyll. You just simply defined the moral order of the world and threatened everyone who may not want to see a black and white world with da boot.

Sure this is an American site but there are different opinions in there, too. Sure you get upset when people show no respect for the dead but apart from your reaction to those you are one of the biggest flamers on this site.

Power always corrupts, even on an internet forum.

Yeah and you are a guest here,try to remember that
Read the forum rules Elmo,and I guess from the **** you post your not a former soldier either,and I did not threaten everyone with the boot you asshole,I said that those who support terrorism and their acts here on this site will be history,and I stand by what I said,I seriously doubt Hood or the other Moderators will allow the open support of such acts or people here.
The topic and act refered to in this post was not carried out by insurgents but terrorists,but then again you knew that,right,otherwise you'd be considered a troll.

As for the comments about me being one of the biggest flamers can you provide some links please.unedited to suit where I have purposely started a topic with the soul intent on flaming?

Oh and knowing where you're from it's hardly a surprise ,but do me a favour open a topic and ask how many people here in this forum support the acts of terrorists and terrorism?

[martinexsquaddie]

RIP
difficult to have any sort empathy with someone who would ride around with bits a dead enemy in a bag. hope he gets to paradise as soon as possible :(

[incubz5]

Argyll,

I felt the shockwave from that smacking all the way from here!

Even scum has to look down to see terrorists and their supporters.

[Elmo]

Yeah and you are a guest here,try to remember that
Read the forum rules Elmo,and I guess from the **** you post your not a former soldier either,and I did not threaten everyone with the boot you asshole,I said that those who support terrorism and their acts here on this site will be history,and I stand by what I said,I seriously doubt Hood or the other Moderators will allow the open support of such acts or people here.
The topic and act refered to in this post was not carried out by insurgents but terrorists,but then again you knew that,right,otherwise you'd be considered a troll.

As for the comments about me being one of the biggest flamers can you provide some links please.unedited to suit where I have purposely started a topic with the soul intent on flaming?

Oh and knowing where you're from it's hardly a surprise ,but do me a favour open a topic and ask how many people here in this forum support the acts of terrorists and terrorism?

Yeah, I'm an asshole posting **** and not a former professional soldier, you got that right, how could I be when my opinions are so lame and simply wrong wrong wrong.

And yes I realize everyone is a guest here. I'm pretty sure many people are quite confused about what that means nowadays, though. It doesn't help to read the forum rules when the authority interprets the rules as he sees fit and in my opinion based on his own completely subjective views on things.

As for flaming. You can flame without starting a thread and you are definately guilty of that and I'm not going to dig any evidence up because it is quite obvious even in this thread. You actively participate as a debater and a moderator which is not good.

kind regards,

Elmo the Asshole

[mustamato]

Yeah and you are a guest here,try to remember that
Read the forum rules Elmo,and I guess from the **** you post your not a former soldier either,and I did not threaten everyone with the boot you asshole

Strange, because I have read posts where I say that he have served. Which posts
have you been reading? Calling people asshole is not nice. It´s a flame-bait. Luckily
the members from that "certain country" are all very disciplined people.

[SeanAshi]

Palestinians wont accomplish their goals through terror, the terrorist groups are bringing death and destruction to their own.

[Argyll]

I stand by my comments 100%.

I lost friends to terrorist acts in Northern Ireland.

For those who support Terrorists and terrorism I have no time,all the mods are ex-service men,and I know they feel the same.

When people come to this site knowing full well it's run by Americans,and begin to sympathise with Terrorists and Terrorist activities,they are asking for serious trouble,it shows they lack respect for the site owner,the forum members who are serving soldiers ,sailors and airmen,who are in harms way,it lacks respect for those who have served,and I mean this from ALL countries............and this trend is coming ever increasingly from a region in Scandinavia,Lord knows why they come here,as it has nothing to do with the site name,they have no interest in anything Military as they never post informative topics,(give him his due Musty does from time to time ;) )
instead they chose to "join topics" with no intention of adding good information,but rather choose to pick holes,and self manipulate topics with the intent of flaming.

Having sympathies with/for a cause is commendable if you are participating in that cause,but when these causes are done by terrorist orginisations,then these sympathies are best kept private,you do not walk into an opposite teams enclosure ,and begin to abuse every single aspect about them,and not expect some repercussions,unless it is your sole intention of causing aggrivation in the first place,and you would soon be removed by the stewards to prevent any further trouble,and you would be no longer welcom at that ground.

This forum has seen a steady increase in trouble makers,in recent months,they have no respect for the site,no respect for other forum members other than those they collude with,no respect for others views other than their own,and no respect for the Moderators who are acting for and behalf of the site owner Hood.
They do not heed warnings,either in PM's or open warnings,they act and behave with impunity,and are quite happy to continue to poison this site,as long as they can continue to post.
They are seriously damaging this site,your site,the site where it was once a great place to find out all about another countrys Military,where you could swap stories with former Servicemen and women,where indeed you could swap stories and articles with old enemies,and it was good,no infact it was great.......but look at it now,trolls and flame warriors are here in numbers,and are intent in causing as much fallout as possible.......why do they do this?.........a dull boring life?No friends to talk to,sad and angry at the world?..........I'm at a loss here guys.
I put a fair bit of effort into this site whist I can,I provide some informative items some of them close to breaching OPSEC,but I do my best to keep the regulars here upto date in certain area's and pass info from mates who are in the know.........and yet it seems I am but a mere flamer.
I lock topics and explain the reasons,I ask people politely to stop acting like ****s,and they usually do,but there are those who don't this very thread has a few of them,the general consensus from the forum is that they are not welcome here........I and the other mods agree,but Hood makes the end decision........no one else.I'm growing weary of these people,they're not worth it,it's time for you all to stand and be counted,and without flaming put an end to it once and for all.
Tell us ,the mods what you want from this site,and we will pass it onto Hood,let's clear the boards quit this flaming crap,and get back to being "Militaryphotos.net"

Oh and topic locked ;) enough is enough with this one