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09-06-2007, 09:21 AM
France’s pro-U.S. turn on Iraq

By AMIR TAHERI

August 21, 2007 -- ONE key promise that Nicolas Sarkozy had made during his presidential election campaign last spring was to "correct foreign-policy mistakes" made by his predecessor Jacques Chirac.

Chief among these was Chirac's desperate efforts to prevent Iraq's liberation from Saddam Hussein's regime of terror. Chirac failed to save his friend's regime but managed to sour relations with the United States, Great Britain and more than 40 other democracies that joined the Coalition of the Willing to liberate Iraq in 2003.

Sarkozy's moves to correct the mistake started before his election, when he met President Bush at the White House in 2006 and described Chirac's policy as "arrogant."

The surprise visit paid to Iraq by France's new foreign minister, Bernard Kouchner, this week is another move by Sarkozy to shed Chirac's legacy. No better man than Kouchner could have been chosen to signal France's change of policy. For Kouchner is one of a handful of people in the West who recognized the murderous nature of Saddam's regime and called for its overthrow as early as the 1980s.

In fact, Kouchner, a medical doctor by training, partly made his public image by helping the hundreds of thousands of Kurdish refugees who fled from Saddam's tyranny in the 1970s and the 1990s.

For years, Medecins sans Frontiers, the organization that Kouchner and his friends founded, was one of the few Western charities that publicized the sufferings of the Iraqi peoples.

As a result, when he arrived in Baghdad the other day, Kouchner was among friends. He also had an opportunity to lay a wreath at a monument to one of his oldest friends, Sergio Vieira de Mello, the United Nations' first emissary to Iraq, who was murdered by al Qaeda almost exactly four years ago.

Kouchner's visit, full of symbolism, shatters one of the key points in al Qaeda's analysis: that the Western democracies will never unite to develop a common strategy against terror. At one point, when Chirac invited German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder and Russian President Vladimir Putin to a gathering to forge an anti-American triple alliance, al Qaeda's analysis appeared plausible.

Now, however, both Chancellor Angela Merkel and President Sarkozy understand that the perception of Western disunity may be one of the factors that prolongs the conflict in Iraq.

As long as al Qaeda and the Ba'athist bitter-enders believe that Western divisions might destroy the U.S.-led coalition, they will have an incentive to continue the fight. Once they lose that incentive, they might well decide that, with Iraq unlikely to fall, they had better look for alternative strategies in their global jihad.

Beyond its obvious symbolic and psychological value, France's change of position on Iraq could have a number of practical positive effects.

* Free of constant French diplomatic sniping, the North Atlantic Treaty Organization could fully honor its commitment to help train the new Iraqi army and police force. So far, the alliance has trained no more than one-tenth of the quota allocated to it. (In fact, Hungary seems to be the only NATO member to have done its share.) NATO has also refused to organize training courses inside Iraq.

* The European Union could review its policy toward new Iraq in a positive way, starting by treating the new Iraqi leaders as the legitimate elected representatives of their people. With French opposition no longer a factor, the E.U. could open an office in Baghdad and appoint a special emissary.

* The new French policy on Iraq could also inspire a change of attitude in Moscow. With Schroeder and Chirac gone, Putin may find it harder to pursue an Iraq policy based on nostalgia for Saddam Hussein and petty enmity toward the United States.

* France's return to Iraq strengthens the new regional trend in favor of a positive attitude toward the nascent Iraqi democracy. Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Jordan are among several Arab countries that have decided to reopen their embassies in Baghdad and extend official invitations to the new Iraqi leadership.

* The change symbolized by Kouchner's visit to Iraq may have yet another positive effect. It sends a signal to the Islamic Republic in Tehran not to count on Western divisions to allow it to ignore U.N. Security Council resolutions. At the same time, the mullahs may rethink their strategy of "bleeding the Coalition" in Iraq.

* The French change of attitude destroys one of the key arguments of those in the United States who opposed the liberation of Iraq. The argument is that by toppling Saddam, the United States alienated its major allies, notably France. Sen. John Kerry, the Democratic presidential nominee in 2004, used the argument as a campaign theme, echoing the views of other leading figures of the American left such as Michael Moore, Jane Fonda and Noam Chomsky, not to mention the financier George Soros. The message coming from France is all the more discouraging for the American left because Kouchner, a lifelong Socialist, is the most popular figure of the French left, according to opinion polls.

* Finally, French cooperation could allow the U.S.-led Coalition to envisage an expanded role for the United Nations in Iraq. The United Nations' experience in distributing humanitarian aid and tackling the problem of displaced persons inside and outside Iraq could be used in a positive way and not as a means of undermining the new Iraqi regime. In time, a new policy may be developed under which the United Nations assumes the task of protecting Iraq over the period of two to three years needed for new Iraq to defend itself. That, in turn, could enable the United States to withdraw the bulk of its troops before the next Iraqi general election in 2009.

Sarkozy has made it clear that he wants France on the side of the United States and other democracies in the global war against terrorism. No one expects France to send troops to Iraq; nor is that necessary. But by clearly indicating whose side France is on, Sarkozy has already repaired part of the damage done by Chirac and his entourage.

Source: (http://www.nypost.com/seven/08212007/postopinion/opedcolumnists/frances_pro_u_s__turn_on_iraq.htm?page=1)

Daniel San
09-06-2007, 09:31 AM
He's a journalist or a columnist, Amir Taheri?

AROUETLJ
09-06-2007, 10:05 AM
Nothing but journalistic flim-flam. "Change of attitude"? Name one foreign policy change since Chirac's tenure.

Ivan le Fou
09-06-2007, 10:17 AM
Chief among these was Chirac's desperate efforts to prevent Iraq's liberation from Saddam Hussein's regime of terror.At the begining it was not about Saddam but about WMD.

And I don't think Saddam was our friend. Selling weapons decades ago to a foreign country doesn't make this country your friend. :cantbeli:


And France won't change its position concerning Iraq.

kamaz
09-06-2007, 10:37 AM
wow I didnt know Koucher founded Docs without Borders. One of the most respected and honest organizations out there, I regularly contribute to them.

good on him, and good on France for electing Sarko.

mas-36
09-06-2007, 10:51 AM
On her very first meeting with Sarkozy, Sec. of State Rice asked if there was anything she could do for him, to which Sarko responded, "Improve your image around the world", or something to that effect.

If the Conservative/Republicans of the US think they suddenly have a friend in France, they will be sorely disappointed. There is simply to much of an ingrained hatred within the American right towards anything French to rectify their behaviour anytime soon ("surrender-monkeys", "oldest enemy", "Freedom Fries", etc)

Considering the foreign relations damage the US has done, I find it hilarious to the point of outright insanity that anyone would have the nerve to suggest France in finally getting it right.

I found a much better and more in-depth report on Sarko somewhere, and I'll make a post out of it when I find it.

kamaz
09-06-2007, 10:57 AM
not true. the entire 'republicans hate the french' is a total exaggerated non sense.

sure there are hicks out there that hate france out of ignorance, but not the elite like Rice and rep. senators who deal with foreign dignitaries on daily basis.

sarko is very pro american and doing business w him and france will be much easier than his slick tainted predecessor.





On her very first meeting with Sarkozy, Sec. of State Rice asked if there was anything she could do for him, to which Sarko responded, "Improve your image around the world", or something to that effect.

If the Conservative/Republicans of the US think they suddenly have a friend in France, they will be sorely disappointed. There is simply to much of an ingrained hatred within the American right towards anything French to rectify their behaviour anytime soon ("surrender-monkeys", "oldest enemy", "Freedom Fries", etc)

Considering the foreign relations damage the US has done, I find it hilarious to the point of outright insanity that anyone would have the nerve to suggest France in finally getting it right.

I found a much better and more in-depth report on Sarko somewhere, and I'll make a post out of it when I find it.

AROUETLJ
09-06-2007, 11:38 AM
sarko is very pro american and doing business w him and france will be much easier than his slick tainted predecessor.

Pro-American as in what? This much-beloved tag by the media is getting very old, very fast. The only "pro-American" facet I can see is in stuff concerning fiscal and corporate laws. But as far as foreign policy goes, or indeed, as far as such anti-American positions as opposition to Turkey's EU membership, working towards an autonomous European Defence Policy, or being in favour of the Kyoto Protocol go, then, I'm sorry to disappoint you, but he's as "Anti-American" as they come.

Oh, and even the title of the article is wrong. "Turn"? What France saying now, that it didn't say before? Has it sent troops to Iraq? The French embassy in Iraq has been open since 2003, so there's no change on the diplomatic front. The "turn" should come from the US side, by allowing French companies to bid for contracts in Iraq.

Eusebius
09-06-2007, 11:59 AM
Pro-American as in what? This much-beloved tag by the media is getting very old, very fast. The only "pro-American" facet I can see is in stuff concerning fiscal and corporate laws. But as far as foreign policy goes, or indeed, as far as such anti-American positions as opposition to Turkey's EU membership, working towards an autonomous European Defence Policy, or being in favour of the Kyoto Protocol go, then, I'm sorry to disappoint you, but he's as "Anti-American" as they come.

Oh, and even the title of the article is wrong. "Turn"? What France saying now, that it didn't say before? Has it sent troops to Iraq? The French embassy in Iraq has been open since 2003, so there's no change on the diplomatic front. The "turn" should come from the US side, by allowing French companies to bid for contracts in Iraq.

Do you not remember Chirac's regime at all? He was downright hostile for a segment of time. Sarkozy is much friendlier.

As for all the matters you listed, those are pretty much internal EU matters. Friendlier relations does not mean he will tow the line the United States want, you are mixing up friend with dog.

As for Iraq, what kind of a absolute retard would even CONSIDER sending troops to Iraq? The place is a ****hole, and the US itself is discussing withdrawing everyday. In this case I think you are confusing idiocy with friendship.

Friendship as the situation calls for right now is political support in matters of Iran and North Korea, unless some other major legitimate issue which needs serious international backing comes up, i.e. no Iraq style conflicts which no one seriously thinking will sign up for.

CreepingDeath
09-06-2007, 12:12 PM
when Chirac invited German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder and Russian President Vladimir Putin to a gathering to forge an anti-American triple alliance, al Qaeda's analysis appeared plausible.


Well this is something new to my eyes and ears...

AROUETLJ
09-06-2007, 12:24 PM
Do you not remember Chirac's regime at all? He was downright hostile for a segment of time. Sarkozy is much friendlier.

As for all the matters you listed, those are pretty much internal EU matters. Friendlier relations does not mean he will tow the line the United States want, you are mixing up friend with dog.

As for Iraq, what kind of a absolute retard would even CONSIDER sending troops to Iraq? The place is a ****hole, and the US itself is discussing withdrawing everyday. In this case I think you are confusing idiocy with friendship.

Friendship as the situation calls for right now is political support in matters of Iran and North Korea, unless some other major legitimate issue which needs serious international backing comes up, i.e. no Iraq style conflicts which no one seriously thinking will sign up for.

Yes, I remember Chirac, but how exactly did this "downright hostilty" manifest itself? Did France veto American products? Did it cut off diplomatic or trade relations? Trade between the two countries actually grew during the 2003 'crisis'. My point is that these clichés and tags are largely manufactured by the media.

Now, regarding North Korea, France has been supporting the US position all along. As for Iran, given that the US position is not clear (no civil nuclear power, or no nuclear weapons? there's a huge difference), it might not be so easy, but one thing is sure, France will not go to war against Iran. It has neither the capacity, nor, thankfully, the political will.

a_very_ex_STAB
09-06-2007, 12:54 PM
So when are the Frogs sending troops to Iraq then?

Sharp
09-06-2007, 12:56 PM
So when are the Frogs sending troops to Iraq then?

At the end of the warp-)

LaPalice
09-07-2007, 05:23 AM
Even if Sarkozy changes the form, his foreign policy is more or less the same as Chirac’s one. The Americans are wrong if they think that now France will follow them without discussion in the future. Look at Afghanistan : nothing has changed for the French troop there, no more soldiers, no other mission… I even remember that the media said that he had the idea to leave Afghanistan.
In fact, one important change is that now Sarkozy thinks that we must talk with Syria, something that Chirac did not want. And there, Bush has the same opinion as Chirac.

Ddavid
09-07-2007, 05:34 PM
In fact, one important change is that now Sarkozy thinks that we must talk with Syria, something that Chirac did not want. And there, Bush has the same opinion as Chirac.

Chirac was convinced than Syria killed former prime minister Hariri, and for Chirac friendship was sacred (until he betrayed you but he is a politician guy).
Why Bush is hostile so them, I don't exactly know. But the cards changed since Syria withdrawal from Lebanon.

I can't think of a name
09-07-2007, 05:37 PM
If Sarkozy would go after Assad (verbally) for the Hiriri killing it would be great.

muck
09-07-2007, 06:25 PM
Chief among these was Chirac's desperate efforts to prevent Iraq's liberation from Saddam Hussein's regime of terror.

Oh gee. There he goes. Notes will follow later.


Chirac failed to save his friend's regime but managed to sour relations with the United States, Great Britain and more than 40 other democracies that joined the Coalition of the Willing to liberate Iraq in 2003.

Sarkozy's moves to correct the mistake started before his election, when he met President Bush at the White House in 2006 and described Chirac's policy as "arrogant."

Why was it a mistake?


At one point, when Chirac invited German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder and Russian President Vladimir Putin to a gathering to forge an anti-American triple alliance, al Qaeda's analysis appeared plausible.

Al Quaeda + pre-war-Iraq? It cannot be said that just opposing the policy in one isolated aspect made us Anti-American at all... Souvereign countries have the right to disagree with US politics.


Now, however, both Chancellor Angela Merkel and President Sarkozy understand that the perception of Western disunity may be one of the factors that prolongs the conflict in Iraq.

As long as al Qaeda and the Ba'athist bitter-enders believe that Western divisions might destroy the U.S.-led coalition, they will have an incentive to continue the fight.

How could inactivity of France or Germany influence the Iraq conflict if they aren't even involved in it? I emphasize this because it is a matter of logic!

Then rather disunity within the "Coalition of willing" does prolong the conflict.


Once they lose that incentive, they might well decide that, with Iraq unlikely to fall, they had better look for alternative strategies in their global jihad.

Most likely they would have chosen a different country to "liberate" from the "evil American zionists". The Philippines, maybe.


* Free of constant French diplomatic sniping, the North Atlantic Treaty Organization could fully honor its commitment to help train the new Iraqi army and police force. So far, the alliance has trained no more than one-tenth of the quota allocated to it. (In fact, Hungary seems to be the only NATO member to have done its share.) NATO has also refused to organize training courses inside Iraq.

I don't get the point of this.


* The European Union could review its policy toward new Iraq in a positive way, starting by treating the new Iraqi leaders as the legitimate elected representatives of their people. With French opposition no longer a factor, the E.U. could open an office in Baghdad and appoint a special emissary.

For what purpose? I mean it's not like Old-Europe would not maintain diplomatic ties to the new Iraqi government.


* The new French policy on Iraq could also inspire a change of attitude in Moscow. With Schroeder and Chirac gone, Putin may find it harder to pursue an Iraq policy based on nostalgia for Saddam Hussein and petty enmity toward the United States.

That's the assumption of the author maybe. Again, how can simple opposition in one single aspect mean enmity?


* The change symbolized by Kouchner's visit to Iraq may have yet another positive effect. It sends a signal to the Islamic Republic in Tehran not to count on Western divisions to allow it to ignore U.N. Security Council resolutions. At the same time, the mullahs may rethink their strategy of "bleeding the Coalition" in Iraq.

Iran is a totally different story, and Europe and the US do agree that Teheran has to be stopped.


* The French change of attitude destroys one of the key arguments of those in the United States who opposed the liberation of Iraq.

As far as I can remember, the US tried to convince us with the argument that Sadamm was working on WMDs. Liberation wasn't mentioned as the casus belli, at least not prior March 20 2003.


The argument is that by toppling Saddam, the United States alienated its major allies, notably France. Sen. John Kerry, the Democratic presidential nominee in 2004, used the argument as a campaign theme, echoing the views of other leading figures of the American left such as Michael Moore, Jane Fonda and Noam Chomsky, not to mention the financier George Soros. The message coming from France is all the more discouraging for the American left because Kouchner, a lifelong Socialist, is the most popular figure of the French left, according to opinion polls.

Again, I fail to see how order-of-the-date-policy is in any way connected to the reasons why France, Germany and Russia opposed the Iraq War. The French's will to strengthen their diplomatic ties to Iraq doesn't mean they agree with US policy, or does it? It's no subsequent revision of an own point of view, not even a silent one.
Additionally, I do not believe that the French Foreign Minister just says "Hey today I want to visit Iraq". It is a part of French diplomatic agenda which hardly affects American lefties.


* Finally, French cooperation could allow the U.S.-led Coalition to envisage an expanded role for the United Nations in Iraq. The United Nations' experience in distributing humanitarian aid and tackling the problem of displaced persons inside and outside Iraq could be used in a positive way and not as a means of undermining the new Iraqi regime. In time, a new policy may be developed under which the United Nations assumes the task of protecting Iraq over the period of two to three years needed for new Iraq to defend itself. That, in turn, could enable the United States to withdraw the bulk of its troops before the next Iraqi general election in 2009.

That's one of the most ridicolous points I've ever come across. Not long time ago, the Americans criticised the results of UNs Oil-for-Food programme and stated the UN had no adequate methods to solve the problems of Iraq.


Sarkozy has made it clear that he wants France on the side of the United States and other democracies in the global war against terrorism.

Some countries don't regard OIF as part of Global War Against Terrorism.


No one expects France to send troops to Iraq; nor is that necessary.

Aha.


But by clearly indicating whose side France is on, Sarkozy has already repaired part of the damage done by Chirac and his entourage.

We are all on the same side, aren't we?!



Ok, now open season is declared on me. p-)