Rabbi Stabbed and Wounded in Frankfurt, Germany

[Fuschimuschi]

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jgKFaT9Qy89NarUa4Yz2PI-NYEUA


The 42-year-old rabbi, whose name was not disclosed, underwent surgery after the Friday night attack and appeared to be out of danger, police said.
The rabbi was walking with two other people when they encountered the assailant accompanied by two women, a police statement said. Witnesses said the attacker spoke to the rabbi — who was wearing a yarmulke — in what sounded like Arabic.
The rabbi did not understand, and the attacker then threatened in German to kill him and stabbed him once, police said. The attacker fled and the women who were with him ran in different directions.

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Coward....

[nagant_m44]

how is this political?

[muck]

I think it is quite political if someone with Arabic appearance tries to kill a Jew in Germany...

[Shadowstorm]

Germany is racial problem and need's stop this.

[Lokos]

Germany is racial problem and need's stop this

What the...

Lokos

[mas-36]

Quote:
Germany is racial problem and need's stop this

What the...

Lokos



Didn't you know Lokos? Here in the USA, we have no racial problems!:roll:

[imohammed2]

Germany is racial problem and need's stop this.

dude what the hell happened to your English??

[Wodan]

its not a german racial problem if some arab kills a jew...

if we take in such cultures(especially taking in BOTH at the same time), then we have to live with it...

if the arab stabbed a german you would read it nowhere..

[Herrmannek]

I think it is quite political if someone with Arabic appearance tries to kill a Jew in Germany... and there is lots of lesser similar events that are never mentioned by media yet half year earlier and few months later EU spits memorandums that condemns Poland as a racist & Nazi country*, hell of the worlds in BOLD and at the same memorandum only mentions peaceful heavens like Germany as a best example of everything. Yup I agree.. IT IS political...



*only one event slightly reminding the German one in more than five years, and instead of knife it was deodorant...

[Stormz_STA]

half year earlier and few months later EU spits memorandums that condmns Poland as a racist & Nazi country

Could you provide a source to your information that an EU memorandum "condemns Poland as a racist & Nazi country"?

[Herrmannek]

Could you provide a source to your information that an EU memorandum "condemns Poland as a racist & Nazi country"?

to busy to look for it right now. this memorandum was broadly disputed some time ago here, but I don't remember what was topic's name or anything particular that could help finding it quick.

[NimDod]

its not a german racial problem if some arab kills a jew...

if a German Arab Kills a German Jew its not German problem? who's problem is it?



if we take in such cultures(especially taking in BOTH at the same time), then we have to live with it...


so what you are saying is that people from "such cultures" (Arabs & Jews) try to kill eachother on a daily basis anyway, so there nothing to report and "we have to live with it".

what if it was an Arab or a Jew who tried to kill a "real" German (not someone you "took in"). could you live with it then?

[Lapata]

Germany is racial problem and need's stop this.

Its 2007 not 1939 dude.

[nagant_m44]

if a German Arab Kills a German Jew its not German problem? who's problem is it?



so what you are saying is that people from "such cultures" (Arabs & Jews) try to kill eachother on a daily basis anyway, so there nothing to report and "we have to live with it".

what if it was an Arab or a Jew who tried to kill a "real" German (not someone you "took in"). could you live with it then?

there is something you have to understand here nimdod. This is the simple fact that murder has occurred since the beginning of time, and it will not stop until the end of time.

[muck]

When I had first heard about that incident I thought it was political correctness again which made the press to produce such an outcry. Though this is quite good because the same political correctness usually prevents the press from this kind of news coverage. We have a racial problem here in a very special kind, namely that 7 million foreigners - compared to a total number of 82.5 mio in Germany living people - commit nearly a fourth of all crimes. That's no biased statement by me but a matter of fact. And actually the annual report of our domestic intelligence service says that radical Muslim organizations in Germany mean a bigger threat to our quickly growing Jewish community than Neonazis do.


and there is lots of lesser similar events that are never mentioned by media yet half year earlier and few months later EU spits memorandums that condemns Poland as a racist & Nazi country*, hell of the worlds in BOLD and at the same memorandum only mentions peaceful heavens like Germany as a best example of everything. Yup I agree.. IT IS political...

There must be a reason why today more Jewish people decide to move to Germany than to Israel. Jews enjoy a very high level of protection and are in fact more warmly welcomed here than one could suppose.

[NimDod]

there is something you have to understand here nimdod. This is the simple fact that murder has occurred since the beginning of time, and it will not stop until the end of time.
no doubt about that, but when someone say's that a murder attempt in his country is not the country's problem, becasue the criminal's and victim's religion/race were different, then that sound like he's accepting such murder attempts, because it happends to "them", who are used to kill and get killed, unlike "real" germans.


There must be a reason why today more Jewish people decide to move to Germany than to Israel. Jews enjoy a very high level of protection and are in fact more warmly welcomed here than one could suppose.
most of the Jewish population that moved into Germany is made of Jews who immigrated into Israel from the former USSR into Israel, looking for better life.
I understand that the German law offers generous grants to Jews who wish to live in Germany, so I guess its natural that some would use that opportunity for a better quallity.
I dont think that they come in for the protection and the warm wellcome, but for the higher life quality that living in Germany, compared to Israel.

[Vandervahn]

no doubt about that, but when someone say's that a murder attempt in his country is not the country's problem, becasue the criminal's and victim's religion/race were different, then that sound like he's accepting such murder attempts, because it happends to "them", who are used to kill and get killed, unlike "real" germans. ...


Can´t believe I am defending Wodan here, but I think you misunderstood his post, he was reacting to to the barely legible post of "Shadowstorm" (here: http://militaryphotos.net/forums/showpost.php?p=2754910&postcount=5 ) who apparently attempted to say that Germany has a poblem with racism. Well, actually it IS racism, but a racism that is imported and for once does not originate in Germany.

That doesnt lessen the importance of a murder attempt itself, it just means that the CAUSE of the crime is not an inherently German problem - the effects however are of course a problem.

[NimDod]

Can´t believe I am defending Wodan here, but I think you misunderstood his post, he was reacting to to the barely legible post of "Shadowstorm" (here: http://militaryphotos.net/forums/showpost.php?p=2754910&postcount=5 ) who apparently attempted to say that Germany has a poblem with racism. Well, actually it IS racism, but a racism that is imported and for once does not originate in Germany.

all right. thanks for clearing that out for me.


That doesnt lessen the importance of a murder attempt itself, it just means that the CAUSE of the crime is not an inherently German problem - the effects however are of course a problem.
I dissagree. when Germany acceptes these new immigrents, it need to instill the values of tolerance and law obedience to them.
If a country is unable to defend its minorities then it shouldnt encourage immigration to it.

[muck]

They arrested the alleged culprit today, a 22-years old German native of Afghan descent. Someone picked it up when he boasted about the attack in an Internet Forum. He confessed the attack but denied that he wanted to kill the Rabbi.
However, eye-witnesses say he shouted "****ing Jew, I'll slay you!" when he draw his knife.

[toki]

all right. thanks for clearing that out for me.

I dissagree. when Germany acceptes these new immigrents, it need to instill the values of tolerance and law obedience to them.
If a country is unable to defend its minorities then it shouldnt encourage immigration to it.
Wow, i can't believe the ignorance.

When one person stabs another person, it's the countries fault? Because it didn't protect the other person? Where do you live? How does your country avoid murder attempts? I wanna know.

All politics aside. You can fight crime and you can punish it, but you can't make it disappear.

[Gentle Norsemen]

I'm seriously tired of this crap against Germanic countries.Every time a Jew trips it makes headlines all over the internet.What does it matter.Sure I feel bad for the guy but putting blame on a country and people over some thing so small is just silly.

[NimDod]

I'm seriously tired of this crap against Germanic countries.Every time a Jew trips it makes headlines all over the internet.What does it matter.Sure I feel bad for the guy but putting blame on a country and people over some thing so small is just silly.

I wasnt blaming Germany for the crime.
I was replying to the guy who said that its not a german racial problem if some arab kills a jew because its their culture.

I dont think that Germany, or any other country need to give any special treatment to its Jewish citizens over the others.
Personally, I cant understand how Jews are able to live there at all and I belive that all Jews need to live in Israel, but I guess its only me.

anyway, the reason these cases get to the press and "ordinary" murder attemps dont is probebly because the news editors think these would be more interesting to read about.

[muck]

if some arab kills a jew because its their culture.

Do I understand right that you think it's part of Arabian culture, so to say an usual habit to kill Jews?!

:cantbeli:


I dont think that Germany, or any other country need to give any special treatment to its Jewish citizens over the others.

They don't receive special treatment and they aren't put above the law or above others. Minorities at all do enjoy protection here, and that is no wrong.


Personally, I cant understand how Jews are able to live there at all and I belive that all Jews need to live in Israel, but I guess its only me.

Probably because many are too young to have the shadows of Third Reich still in mind. But even people who survived Holocaust still live here because they simply say that they are Germans and this is their country, too.

I totally disagree with the latter, it's like saying that Mormons should only live in Utah.


anyway, the reason these cases get to the press and "ordinary" murder attemps dont is probebly because the news editors think these would be more interesting to read about.

There is no real system in it.
The victim could have been a christian father as well or whosoever, but an Arabian stabbing down someone in broad daylight sheds lights on problems we have with immigrants. I can only repeat, these numbers are a matter of fact: According to the Federal Police statistics, 7 million people of foreign descent commit a fourth of all crimes anually.

[Wodan]

7 million people of foreign descent commit a fourth of all crimes anually.


and... the stats are especially high on violent crimes,

"Das Bundeskriminalamt weist jedoch auch auf Folgendes hin: Überdurchschnittlich sind nichtdeutsche Tatverdächtige in den alten Ländern mit Berlin jedoch auch bei gravierenden Gewaltdelikten wie Raub (35,3 %, 2001: 35,3 %), Mord und Totschlag (34,5 %, 2001: 35,1 %) sowie Vergewaltigung und sexuelle Nötigung gemäß §§ 177 Abs. 2, 3 und 4, 178 StGB (33,5 %, 2001: 34,1%) vertreten."

serious violence with robbery 35.3%/35,3%
murderer and killing 34,5%/35.1%
Rape and ****** assault 33.5%/34.1%



germany has 6.76 million foreigners,

but there are many ethnic groups that don´t cause significantly higher crimes than ethnic germans.. I don´t know about statistical proof, so I´ll only tell my opinion:


those are countries with similar culture/similar wealth, groups that are by number not significant, groups who aren´t the *guest worker*/*refugee* kind of immigrant, some of the groups are eastern european ethnic groups, about whom I never heared that they have a higher crime rate than the native population(so for the eastern euros in that list I am not sure..):

541,000 italians
309,000 greek
230,000 croatians
174,000 austrians
118,000 dutch
115,000 portugiese
107,000 spanish
102,000 french
98,000 british
62,000 macedonians
49,000 hungarians
39,000 bulgarians
33,000 japanese
32,000 czech
22,000 belgians
21,000 slowakians
21,000 slovenians
18,000 danish
17,000 lithuanian
16,000 swedes
13,000 fins
10,00 irish
9000 latvians
7000 luxemburgians
7000 mexicans
4000 estonians
800 cypriots
361 maltesians



leaves 3.103 million

the thing is many have higher crime rates not cuz of cultural differences but cuz they come from poor societies, cuz of statistical reasons (the immigrant population is in average younger and higher share of males than the overall population), their soceites are overall compatible with ours:


327,000 poles
297,000 serbians
185,000 russians
130,000 ukrainians
83,000 vietnamese
73,000 chinese
59,000 kazaks
40,000 indians

like the poles that came to the western german industrial areas over 100 years ago, I think those groups will have integrated well, without our state intervening much, in some time.


leaves a problem group of
2.15 million

I don´t think that genetics have a big influence in human behavior
but those people are culturally very different than us, and also show much higher crime rates, which won´t just go away with waiting a generation or two, so we have to do something.. I think we can´t force integration upon them, you need to assimilate them, I think we don´t need to destroy their cultures and have to make them become part of ours 100%, its enough when we help evolving it with englightned ideas, christian or jewish societies where very different, but they have developed, without totally destroying the old culture, it is for sure pretty diffcult to force them to change their whole culture, instead the soft approach trying to *enlight* it, sounds much more probably, and I also think that while enlighting them is a *good* thing both for our society and them, doing total assimlation is cultural supremacism, saying our culture is totally better than theirs, just cuz ours made it trough the time of enlightenment while theirs didn´t yet

so I think this is also possible for the third category of countries(2.14 million people out of 82.5 million germans):

1,760,000 turks
98.195 US-Americans
76,000 Iraqis
71,000 morrocans
61,000 iranians
55,000 afghans
40,000 libanese
25,000 eritreans


(if we need to integrate them at all, besides of turks many are refugees that are only allowed to stay here until their nation is secure again, anyway, and for iraq and afghanistan our government claims that already as far as I know)

[NimDod]

Do I understand right that you think it's part of Arabian culture, so to say an usual habit to kill Jews?!

:cantbeli:
no. I said I was replaying to another guy who said that. re-read the first page of this thread.



They don't receive special treatment and they aren't put above the law or above others. Minorities at all do enjoy protection here, and that is no wrong.
I agree with that.



Probably because many are too young to have the shadows of Third Reich still in mind. But even people who survived Holocaust still live here because they simply say that they are Germans and this is their country, too.
I belive that all Jews should live in In Israel, and not just because of the Third Reich & the holocaust.
Germany today is probebly safer for Jews more then most Europian countries, but still, I think Jews should have learned the lesson and move into Israel.



There is no real system in it.
The victim could have been a christian father as well or whosoever, but an Arabian stabbing down someone in broad daylight sheds lights on problems we have with immigrants. I can only repeat, these numbers are a matter of fact: According to the Federal Police statistics, 7 million people of foreign descent commit a fourth of all crimes anually.
thats a problem that most countries who take in large amounts of immigrents face.
if a considerable amount of these crimes are hate-crimes, it is a Racial problem.

[BigBaribal]

A rabbi beaten by an arab in an european country: he should talk about it to the jewish lobbies which are always pushing for multiculturalism and open borders (of course, our borders not Israel borders).

You cannot lament yourself about a problem, whose you cherish its causes.

[little icebear]

I belive that all Jews should live in In Israel, and not just because of the Third Reich & the holocaust.
Germany today is probebly safer for Jews more then most Europian countries, but still, I think Jews should have learned the lesson and move into Israel.


I believe that the German Jews - and that goes for Jews all around the world - should be able to decide for themselfes, where they want to live.

And I think Germany today is probably safer for Jews than Israel. p-)

[quinsen]

so I think this is also possible for the third category of countries(2.14 million people out of 82.5 million germans):

1,760,000 turks
98.195 US-Americans
76,000 Iraqis
71,000 morrocans
61,000 iranians
55,000 afghans
40,000 libanese
25,000 eritreans

Americans? Why?

[LordTyphus]

Some people are just inherently evil.

[Wodan]

Americans? Why?

just a silly joke, never mind.

[LRPV]

A rabbi beaten by an arab in an european country: he should talk about it to the jewish lobbies which are always pushing for multiculturalism and open borders (of course, our borders not Israel borders).

You cannot lament yourself about a problem, whose you cherish its causes.

Wow, what a rant. You should be careful about mentioning the "jewish lobbies"....black helicopters might come for you in the night. I hear wearing alfoil around your head at night protects you from ....aaarggghhhh

[Wodan]

Wow, what a rant. You should be careful about mentioning the "jewish lobbies"....black helicopters might come for you in the night. I hear wearing alfoil around your head at night protects you from ....aaarggghhhh



So you won´t question the existance of a oil lobby, IT lobby, farming lobby, veterans lobby, environmentalist lobby, catholic lobby, but when it comes to a jewish it is all a conspiracy, can´t be that someone says a jewish interest group might have influence on the democratic decision making process

****tard