Hizbollah condemns beheading

[Nizark]

Well i'll be damned

http://au.news.yahoo.com/040512/15/p/oyu8.html

Thursday May 13, 05:02 AM

Hizbollah Slams Beheading of American as Un-Islamic
BEIRUT (*******) - Lebanon's Hizbollah guerrilla group condemned Wednesday the beheading of an American hostage by Iraqi militants as an ugly crime that flouted the tenets of Islam.

"Hizbollah condemns this horrible act that has done very great harm to Islam and Muslims by this group that claims affiliation to the religion of mercy, compassion and humane principles," the Shi'ite Muslim group said in a statement.

An Islamist Web site Tuesday carried a video clip of the execution of the man who identified himself as Nick Berg, with a statement saying a group linked to al Qaeda did it in revenge for the abuse of Iraqis by U.S. troops.

Hizbollah said Berg's killing had diverted the world's gaze from an escalating furor over the abuse of Iraqi prisoners by occupation soldiers.

"The timing of this act that overshadowed the scandal over the abuse of Iraqi prisoners in occupation forces prisons is suspect timing that aims to serve the American administration and occupation forces in Iraq and present excuses and pretexts for their inhumane practices against Iraqi detainees."

The Syrian-backed group which the United States deems "terrorist" said the executors' behavior was closer to "the Pentagon school -- the school of killing and occupation and crimes and torture and immoral practices that were exposed by the great scandal in occupation prisons."

Washington blames Hizbollah, whose attacks forced Israeli troops to withdraw from south Lebanon in 2000 after a 22-year occupation, for 1980s suicide bombings against its embassy and Marines barracks and the abduction of Westerners in Beirut.

[talib_killa34]

:roll:

[seruriermarshal]

Sh*t , they say beheading of American as Un-Islamic , but in fact they do those !

[MetalBoy]

But the torture and killing of CIA Station Chief William Buckley was within the tenets of Islam right? :cantbeli:

[Ichhabe]

Sh*t , they say beheading of American as Un-Islamic , but in fact they do those !

Did not Rumsfeld say that the abuse of the Iraqi prisoners was un-American?

[seruriermarshal]

Sh*t , they say beheading of American as Un-Islamic , but in fact they do those !

Did not Rumsfeld say that the abuse of the Iraqi prisoners was un-American?

So allies will use law , but Hizbollah will how to do ? Use their mouth ?

[SeanAshi]

Wow! That was unexpected. But Hezbollah are still scum sucking pigs of a motherless goats. :P

[Ichhabe]

Wow! That was unexpected. But Hezbollah are still scum sucking pigs of a motherless goats. :P

That we can agree on.

[talib_killa34]

Wow! That was unexpected. But Hezbollah are still scum sucking pigs of a motherless goats. :P

That we can agree on.


WORD

[ExtraT]

I'm not surprised. Check out this passage:


"The timing of this act that overshadowed the scandal over the abuse of Iraqi prisoners in occupation forces prisons is suspect timing that aims to serve the American administration and occupation forces in Iraq and present excuses and pretexts for their inhumane practices against Iraqi detainees."

So, mostly they are upset about "bad timing".

[Ichhabe]

I'm not surprised. Check out this passage:


"The timing of this act that overshadowed the scandal over the abuse of Iraqi prisoners in occupation forces prisons is suspect timing that aims to serve the American administration and occupation forces in Iraq and present excuses and pretexts for their inhumane practices against Iraqi detainees."

So, mostly they are upset about "bad timing".

It is still a condemnation, isn't it? :D

[One?]

Hezbollah are not the same ones as 1980 (I dont feel like explaining maybe someone who knows what I mean could explain). Yes the CIA chief was killed but then again he was CIA and not a civilian. Regardless they did not spend 15 seconds trying to cut his neck. The way nik was killed was brutal and inhumane.


Ask tenenbaum how he was treated when he was with hezbollah.


Before jumping into conclusions understand the other side. Don't just say "ya whatever" or make stypid faces.

[Johnnyringo]

Not to go off subject... but maybe by eliminating threads that aren't "military" in nature we could stop the rampant flame wars that kill good threads and just serve to piss EVERYBODY off...

To quote Tane...
Just a thought

[StarvingStudent47]

Hezbollah are not the same ones as 1980 (I dont feel like explaining maybe someone who knows what I mean could explain). Yes the CIA chief was killed but then again he was CIA and not a civilian. Regardless they did not spend 15 seconds trying to cut his neck. The way nik was killed was brutal and inhumane.

Hold on one second. You said this same thing in another thread (the manner of the decapitation is un-Islamic, because they sawed away as opposed to cutting with one slice). Am I correct in inferring then that the murder of a civilian electrician who was in Iraq to help Iraqis is in itself not against your view of Islam--only the method of killing is against you view of Islam?

This isn't a flame, it's a serious question.

[UoUo]

Hezbollah are not the same ones as 1980 (I dont feel like explaining maybe someone who knows what I mean could explain). Yes the CIA chief was killed but then again he was CIA and not a civilian. Regardless they did not spend 15 seconds trying to cut his neck. The way nik was killed was brutal and inhumane.


Ask tenenbaum how he was treated when he was with hezbollah.


Before jumping into conclusions understand the other side. Don't just say "ya whatever" or make stypid faces.

It seem to be that tenenbaum was a ****ing traitor...so the hizubilla act Him different.

[anonymous individual]

It seems like Muslim terrorists have a tendency to contradict themselves.

[weedman]

It seems like Muslim terrorists have a tendency to contradict themselves.Just like Western States :roll:

[Spooky]

And European states :bash:

EVERY state "delcares" things and then later contradicts. That's the problem when you have multiple people responsible for policy.

[American Patriot]

Weedman, I liked you better when had an American Army model for your avatar.

[IDFM203]

Ask tenenbaum how he was treated when he was with hezbollah.
oh come on now "one", you know very well why he was treated well ;)

Lets just say Tenebaum wasn’t exactly a defender of Israel (and I am not referring to his words but with his actions :roll: )

(I hope you get what I am saying ;) )

Anyways I belive, isn’t there a poster by the fence of just an Israelis head (I believe its perched on a stick)?

Yeah Hetbllahs doesn’t do beheadings :roll:

Shalom :D

[One?]

Hezbollah are not the same ones as 1980 (I dont feel like explaining maybe someone who knows what I mean could explain). Yes the CIA chief was killed but then again he was CIA and not a civilian. Regardless they did not spend 15 seconds trying to cut his neck. The way nik was killed was brutal and inhumane.

Hold on one second. You said this same thing in another thread (the manner of the decapitation is un-Islamic, because they sawed away as opposed to cutting with one slice). Am I correct in inferring then that the murder of a civilian electrician who was in Iraq to help Iraqis is in itself not against your view of Islam--only the method of killing is against you view of Islam?

This isn't a flame, it's a serious question.


The decapitation method is un-islamic , and killing the civilian is un-islamic. The CIA officer was not a civilian, and I believe he was shot not decapitated (yet he was a prisoner and prisoners must be treated humanly).

[Universal]

well F***in duh!! Do you honestly believe that this sort of thing is allowed in Islam. Why don't you read the Quran instead of reading articles, It explains the real religion, but you guys don't have the balls to accept it... All you want is something and someone to point the finger at, you want someone labeled as "the enemy", you want entertainment!! Because hatrid is in your blood, and life would be boring if we didn't have anyone to hate, isn't that right?!?

[StarvingStudent47]

well F***in duh!! Do you honestly believe that this sort of thing is allowed in Islam. Why don't you read the Quran instead of reading articles, It explains the real religion, but you guys don't have the balls to accept it...

Religion does not exist beyond the hearts and minds of its practitioners. I do not believe that there is some universal "Islam" or "Christianity" or "Judaism" that says X is okay but Y is not. There are just Muslims, and Christians, and Jews, and each one of them believes that some things are okay and some are not. It doesn't matter one whit if such-and-such an act is "against Islam"--whatever the heck that means--if every individual Muslim on the planet sees it differently.

That's why I asked One what he believed, as opposed to what "Islam" says. Cause when I meet "Islam" walking down the street, I'll ask "Islam" what "Islam" does and does not do. Until then, I just ask various individuals I have contact with what they believe, and I work with that. I wanted to know what One believes, so I asked him.


All you want is something and someone to point the finger at, you want someone labeled as "the enemy", you want entertainment!! Because hatrid is in your blood, and life would be boring if we didn't have anyone to hate, isn't that right?!?
When I want entertainment, I watch VH1. When I want someone to hate, I watch a Nebraska Cornhuskers game. I wanted a clarification of an ambiguity in One's post--nothing more and nothing less.

[Universal]

see this is where you're wrong. How can someone belong to a religion when he or she believes whatever they want?! In order for someone to take part in a religion, they must follow its rules, they can't come up with their own ****, and their own beliefs because that is what extremists are doing. If you call yourself a muslim, you have to go with what Islam says, which is found in the Quran, thats it, period. It tells you everything you need to know about the religion, and after reading it, I have to tell you, it is far beyond what you read on the internet, in magasines or what you see on TV. Just look at the name of the religion "Islam" it means "peace". This is a beautiful religion that has been diagnosed with cancer.

[fdt]

They've condemned it... well it can only mean that they are learning the "TV warfare" fast....
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[citizen-k]

well F***in duh!! Do you honestly believe that this sort of thing is allowed in Islam. Why don't you read the Quran instead of reading articles, It explains the real religion, but you guys don't have the balls to accept it... All you want is something and someone to point the finger at, you want someone labeled as "the enemy", you want entertainment!! Because hatrid is in your blood, and life would be boring if we didn't have anyone to hate, isn't that right?!?

Read the Quran? rofl

Read the news: "A Palestinian HAMAS memeber (which is an Islamic movement) approached a car and shot 4 girls age 2-11 and their pregnant mother"

What they did in Iraq was in the name of ISLAM, not in the name of little green man from Mars as you might want us to believe.

Same goes to Falujah, Ramallah or Gaza two days ago.
I never saw Christians or Jews playing soccer with a human head - only Muslims can do that in the 21th century... coincidence?

[Fox2]

Can't sleep, decided to throw out this little bite.

From the article:

Hizbollah said Berg's killing had diverted the world's gaze from an escalating furor over the abuse of Iraqi prisoners by occupation soldiers.

Lo and behold, the reason.

Okay, now I must sleep. Anyone got any anesthesia? :|

[Universal]

well F***in duh!! Do you honestly believe that this sort of thing is allowed in Islam. Why don't you read the Quran instead of reading articles, It explains the real religion, but you guys don't have the balls to accept it... All you want is something and someone to point the finger at, you want someone labeled as "the enemy", you want entertainment!! Because hatrid is in your blood, and life would be boring if we didn't have anyone to hate, isn't that right?!?

Read the Quran? rofl

Read the news: "A Palestinian HAMAS memeber (which is an Islamic movement) approached a car and shot 4 girls age 2-11 and their pregnant mother"

What they did in Iraq was in the name of ISLAM, not in the name of little green man from Mars as you might want us to believe.

Same goes to Falujah, Ramallah or Gaza two days ago.
I never saw Christians or Jews playing soccer with a human head - only Muslims can do that in the 21th century... coincidence?

I'm sorry, but if you believe that Islam tells its members to kill people then you are certainly f***ed in the head. Like you said, the man murdered 2 children and their pregnant mother, he's obviously not normal, so why would you believe what he says. If Islam did in fact tell its people to kill, jews would be dying everywhere, not just in the middle-east. Do yourslef a favour and read the Quran, just to learn, nothing else. Any muslim who kills anyone is a cold-blooded murderer, not a hero to the religion.

[citizen-k]

well F***in duh!! Do you honestly believe that this sort of thing is allowed in Islam. Why don't you read the Quran instead of reading articles, It explains the real religion, but you guys don't have the balls to accept it... All you want is something and someone to point the finger at, you want someone labeled as "the enemy", you want entertainment!! Because hatrid is in your blood, and life would be boring if we didn't have anyone to hate, isn't that right?!?

Read the Quran? rofl

Read the news: "A Palestinian HAMAS memeber (which is an Islamic movement) approached a car and shot 4 girls age 2-11 and their pregnant mother"

What they did in Iraq was in the name of ISLAM, not in the name of little green man from Mars as you might want us to believe.

Same goes to Falujah, Ramallah or Gaza two days ago.
I never saw Christians or Jews playing soccer with a human head - only Muslims can do that in the 21th century... coincidence?

I'm sorry, but if you believe that Islam tells its members to kill people then you are certainly f***ed in the head. Like you said, the man murdered 2 children and their pregnant mother, he's obviously not normal, so why would you believe what he says. If Islam did in fact tell its people to kill, jews would be dying everywhere, not just in the middle-east. Do yourslef a favour and read the Quran, just to learn, nothing else. Any muslim who kills anyone is a cold-blooded murderer, not a hero to the religion.

First of all - they were 4, not 2...
Second of all - he did it in the name of Islam... same as those in Iraq did... (Again, Hammas is an ISLAMIC movement)

Same as every one of the suicide bombers who murder civlians - becasue Islamic preachers promise them 72 virgins, in the name of Islam....

Ever heared of Yassin? If I'm not mistaken he was a Muslim preacher (unless you think otherwise....) and he preached to murder civilians...

Now, either you think he is a murderer or you think Islam permits to kill civlians. (read the Quran yourself - it does!)

[citizen-k]

Oh yeah...and the explosions in Argintina are a result of???

I guess it wasn't Hizbullah (Islamic movement)...

The attack in south africa last year? (blowing up a hotel)

The WTC - they were doinf it in the name of....?


Let me guess...little green man, again? :cantbeli:

[Durandal]

"Stalin Condemns Hitler's Killing of Millions"

They may have different beliefs but they all got blood on their hands.

[Ekie]

Hezbollah, coming out against human sacrifice offerings? What the heck is going on here? Sounds like you guys might be right, just plain bad timing huh?



Lebanon's Hizbollah guerrilla group condemned Wednesday the beheading of an American hostage by Iraqi militants as an ugly crime that flouted the tenets of Islam.

"Hizbollah condemns this horrible act that has done very great harm to Islam and Muslims by this group that claims affiliation to the religion of mercy, compassion and humane principles," the Shi'ite Muslim group said in a statement.


Yeah right, like the religion of Islam can some how separate itself from pagen human sacrifices, good luck there bud. Mercy, compassion, and humane principles? Who do they think thier fooling (other then Universal of course)?

[Saranof]

[quote=Universal]well F***in duh!! Do you honestly believe that this sort of thing is allowed in Islam. Why don't you read the Quran instead of reading articles, It explains the real religion, but you guys don't have the balls to accept it...

Religion does not exist beyond the hearts and minds of its practitioners. I do not believe that there is some universal "Islam" or "Christianity" or "Judaism" that says X is okay but Y is not. There are just Muslims, and Christians, and Jews, and each one of them believes that some things are okay and some are not. It doesn't matter one whit if such-and-such an act is "against Islam"--whatever the heck that means--if every individual Muslim on the planet sees it differently.

That's why I asked One what he believed, as opposed to what "Islam" says. Cause when I meet "Islam" walking down the street, I'll ask "Islam" what "Islam" does and does not do. Until then, I just ask various individuals I have contact with what they believe, and I work with that. I wanted to know what One believes, so I asked him.



Actually, I agree one this one. Saying that various religions are bad because some of their followers commit crimes and say they did it in the name of the religion is just harmfull to the religious cause. And to the people who get hurt.
But the Quran does say some interesting things about this, for example treating civvies the way those terrorists did is of course strictly forbidden. Yes, they had problems with those things back then..


And yes, VH1 rocks ;)

[Ichhabe]

The problem with the Bible and the Koran is that they both was written in a time with a different ROE. And they cannot be revised either to suit the 21. century.
There have been through the whole history of man, individuals that have used the religion in bad ways to get their point through. Just look at the Spanish inquisition and the burning of witches that took part all over Europe.
Even Jeanne d'Arc was burned at the stake after giving France the most important victory in their history. It was done in the name of the Church, but it was pure politics.

So, to sum it up, short & sweet: We are walking blind folded around in a maze with no openings. I doubt man will ever solve such problems. Good luck!

[cold0]

Lebanon's Hizbollah guerrilla group condemned Wednesday the beheading of an American hostage by Iraqi militants as an ugly crime that flouted the tenets of Islam.

"Hizbollah condemns this horrible act that has done very great harm to Islam and Muslims by this group that claims affiliation to the religion of mercy, compassion and humane principles," the Shi'ite Muslim group said in a statement.


They are the same persons that showed on TV the head of an Isdraeli SF soldier killed in Lebanon on April 1997. So now they come to speak of a "...horrible act that has done very great harm to Islam and Muslims .."They are only concerned that the Berk's execution could overshadow the tortures scandal.

[Threelions]

Its amazing how quickly everyone has been to just slam hezbollah for their comments. The fact that they have openly spoken out against the evil carried out against Berg has the potential to help the american cause. Sure, hezbollah is no better then AQ, IRA, or any of these other groups, but dont under estimate the pull they have on pan-arabic psyche.

Cheers

[Durandal]

Its amazing how quickly everyone has been to just slam hezbollah for their comments. The fact that they have openly spoken out against the evil carried out against Berg has the potential to help the american cause. Sure, hezbollah is no better then AQ, IRA, or any of these other groups, but dont under estimate the pull they have on pan-arabic psyche.

Cheers

Ummm yeah right.

Next you are going to tell me Arafat deserved the Nobel Peace Prize...

[citizen-k]

Its amazing how quickly everyone has been to just slam hezbollah for their comments. The fact that they have openly spoken out against the evil carried out against Berg has the potential to help the american cause. Sure, hezbollah is no better then AQ, IRA, or any of these other groups, but dont under estimate the pull they have on pan-arabic psyche.

Cheers

Ummm yeah right.

Next you are going to me Arafat deserved the Nobel Piece Prize...

Why wasn't he? he brings peace to many people in Europe by blowing up buses in Israel, ask Mustamato&Friends (They are the ones who gave it to him... :cantbeli: )

[StarvingStudent47]

see this is where you're wrong. How can someone belong to a religion when he or she believes whatever they want?! In order for someone to take part in a religion, they must follow its rules, they can't come up with their own ****, and their own beliefs because that is what extremists are doing. If you call yourself a muslim, you have to go with what Islam says, which is found in the Quran, thats it, period. It tells you everything you need to know about the religion, and after reading it, I have to tell you, it is far beyond what you read on the internet, in magasines or what you see on TV. Just look at the name of the religion "Islam" it means "peace". This is a beautiful religion that has been diagnosed with cancer.

And you COMPLETELY missed my point. You're still saying "Islam says this" and "Islam says that." What is this "Islam" you speak of? A literalist reading of the Qur'an? Most religious people do not believe that a literalist reading of their holy book is the same as the tenets of their religion--look at Catholicism and Reform Judaism in particular. So what IS "Islam"? What IS "Judaism"? Nothing on its own.

A literalist reading of the Torah says you need to sacrifice animals to God. But no Jews sacrifice animals to God nowadays. So is animal sacrifice an inherent part of Judaism nowadayas? According to you reasoning, it is. According to mine, it isn't. Which makes more sense to you?

There is no "American culture" above and beyond the practices that 280 million American citizens do on a day-to-day basis. Whatever those 280 million people do IS for all intents and purposes American culture. And there is no "Islamic religion" above and beyond the beliefs of the one billion Muslims in the world. Whatever those one billion people do IS for all intents and purposes Islamic religion.