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09-12-2007, 06:58 PM
Democrats Reject General's Iraq Plan

By ANNE FLAHERTY

Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) -- A day before President Bush's war address, Senate Democrats rejected a four-star general's recommendation to keep some 130,000 troops in Iraq through next summer and sought legislation that would limit the mission of U.S. forces.

Their proposal was not expected to set a deadline to end the war, as many Democrats want, but restrict troops to narrow objectives: training Iraq's military and police, protecting U.S. assets and fighting terrorists, Democratic party officials told The Associated Press.

The goal is to attract enough Republicans to break the 60-vote threshold in the Senate needed to end a filibuster. Democrats have proved unable to do that since they took control of Congress eight months ago.

"I call on the Senate Republicans to not walk lockstep as they have with the president for years in this war," Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said at a news conference. "It's time to change. It's the president's war. At this point it also appears clear it's also the Senate Republicans' war."

Democrats struggled to regain momentum in the war debate after two days of testimony by Gen. David Petraeus, the top commander in Iraq, and Ambassador Ryan Crocker.

Petraeus said the 30,000 troop buildup begun this year had yielded some gains and needed more time. He recommended slowly reversing the buildup, drawing down about 5,500 soldiers and Marines by year's end and aiming for a force of 130,000 next summer.

Reid and other Democrats said that proposal does not go far enough.

"It creates and provides an illusion of change in an effort to take the wind out of the sails of those of us who want to truly change course in Iraq," said Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., chairman of the Armed Services Committee.

In a bold challenge to Petraeus' assessment, Reid said the "situation on the ground in Iraq has not changed at all." He later acknowledged gains in Anbar province, "but it's like the big balloon that you push on one side and it comes out someplace else."

Petraeus' assessment inflamed Democrats, but assuaged many Republicans. It did lead to tough questions from several Republican skeptics, including Sens. John Warner of Virginia and Susan Collins of Maine, but most GOP lawmakers said they were reluctant to impose a firm timetable.

Sen. Norm Coleman, R-Minn., seen as another potential swing vote, said he was working with Sen. Mark Pryor, D-Ark., on legislation that would put Petraeus' recommendations into law.

Absent a new political climate, Democrats are in a tough position: They can continue to insist on a hardline position and fail, letting weeks go by without passing anti-war legislation, or they soften their stance.

At issue in talks among Reid and Senate Democrats was how far they should go in forcing a new mission for troops without losing support from various political sides, according to congressional aides familiar with the meeting in Reid's office.

If the legislation were nonbinding and only urged Bush to refocus the mission, the bill could lose support from more liberal Democrats such as Sens. Russ Feingold, D-Wis., John Kerry, D-Mass., and Barbara Boxer, D-Calif.

On the contrary, if the bill ordered the mission changed by a certain date, it might turn off Warner, Collins, Coleman and other GOP moderates.

Reid declined to discuss details, saying only that Democrats would offer four to six amendments "to change the course of the war" when the Senate takes up a defense bill next week. One probably would come from Sen. Jim Webb, D-Va., requiring that troops spend as much time home as they do in combat.

Among the Republicans working with Reid and Levin are Sens. Chuck Hagel, R-Neb., and Gordon Smith, R-Ore.; both long ago turned against the war.

Bush planned a 15-minute address from the White House at 9 p.m. EDT Thursday to endorse Petraeus' recommendations, according to administration officials. The White House planned to release a written status report Friday on the troop buildup, they said. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because Bush's speech was not yet final.

While mirroring Petraeus' strategy, Bush will place more conditions on reductions than his general did, insisting that conditions on the ground must warrant cuts and unforeseen events could change the plan.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said Wednesday that stabilizing Iraq included "the territorial security of Iraq" with respect to its Mideast neighbors, especially Iran.

"Iran is a very troublesome neighbor," she said on NBC's "Today" show. "Iran is prepared to fill the vacuum" if the United States leaves Iraq.

In a joint press conference with Crocker on Wednesday, Petraeus said Iranians appear to be trying to create a like Hezbollah-like organization in Iraq that they could use to gain influence inside Iraq.

On Friday, the president intends to go to a Marine base in Quantico, Va., outside Washington, to talk about his Iraq policy, the White House announced.

Vice President **** Cheney plans to speak about Iraq on Friday at appearances at the Gerald R. Ford Presidential Museum in Grand Rapids, Mich., and at MacDill Air Force Base in Florida.

Source: (http://breakingnews.nypost.com/dynamic/stories/U/US_IRAQ?SITE=NYNYP&SECTION=HOME)

Alpheus
09-12-2007, 07:44 PM
Shocking. Just shocking. :roll:

timetraveller
09-12-2007, 07:53 PM
Would we see them move from Iraq to A'stan if Bush doesnt get the support he needs .

basically still in the region but moved next door to bolster the search for Bin Laden possibly have them positioned along the pakistan Border

shocker1
09-12-2007, 08:06 PM
Their proposal was not expected to set a deadline to end the war, as many Democrats want, but restrict troops to narrow objectives: training Iraq's military and police, protecting U.S. assets and fighting terrorists, Democratic party officials told The Associated Press.Sounds like a plan. :)

BloodyTalon
09-12-2007, 09:08 PM
Damn that was fast. I expected that the Democrats would wait at least a week before rejecting the general's report in favor of their own extensive knowledge of COIN and whats going on in Iraq.

Lt-Col A. Tack
09-12-2007, 10:23 PM
Damn that was fast. I expected that the Democrats would wait at least a week before rejecting the general's report in favor of their own extensive knowledge of COIN and whats going on in Iraq.

Of course it was fast. Their response was probably prepared before the General set foot back in Washington :)

Ordie
09-13-2007, 12:30 AM
The General only reported on Iraq and not on global military strategy.

So the Democrats assertion that a shift is needed was not based on the General's scope of work nor report.

All presidential canidates need a quick lesson on military affairs, strategy, and policymaking quick. Because after Bush, they must carry the ball. What I hear from all of them is not realistic nor credible.

As for leaving Iraq completely, I do not see regardless of the promises.

We are building the world's largest embassy (i.e. a palace with a citadel).
We have a network of airbases (i.e. castles)
We have a network of outposts (i.e. forts)
We have a network of collaborators.

Too much is at stake.

If anything, what I foresee, is a drop in US military and a rise in private security contractors. Many of whom are former US military.

Therefore, its a wash.....

Note: My opinion about Iraq?
I appreciate the problem, but I don't know the answer.

Lt-Col A. Tack
09-13-2007, 12:47 AM
The General only reported on Iraq and not on global military strategy.

So the Democrats assertion that a shift is needed was not based on the General's scope of work nor report.
I agree with most of what you said after this sentence.

I don't credit anything being said by the Dem Leadership as being based on anything other than political calculations. I really don't think global military strategy played much of a part. It sounds cynical, I know.

dangerclose
09-13-2007, 01:08 PM
"I call on the Senate Republicans to not walk lockstep as they have with the president for years in this war," Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said at a news conference. "It's time to change. It's the president's war. At this point it also appears clear it's also the Senate Republicans' war."



Then fine, the U.S. will just have to win this war without the democrats and given their stupidity that would actually be an advantage.


C'mon democrats, Bin Laden is doing his part to help you but you keep failing at yours. Bush is a moron right? But he keeps getting what he wants.

RICHICOQUI
09-13-2007, 02:22 PM
the dems rejected his report even before he give his report to them!:roll: they never gave him a chance!!

Freedom-Fries
09-13-2007, 02:39 PM
very shocking

ElHombre
09-13-2007, 10:15 PM
Then fine, the U.S. will just have to win this war without the democrats and given their stupidity that would actually be an advantage.

Errr... you might want to recall that it's the republican-dominated leadership over the past seven years that's gotten us to this point.