Considering special forces

[Gogf]

At the moment, I'm considering joining the special forces after finishing either college or graduate school. I don't need the money to pay for college, so ignore the "financial incentives" that the army offers.

First of all, do we have any former or current SF soldiers on here? I'd be interested in your opinions first and foremost.

I have a few questions:

1. How long is the average enlistment period for a special forces soldier? I don't think I want to make a career out of being a soldier.
2. I remember reading that Dim, the college-graduate soldier on Over There had rejected the officer's commission that he was entitled to as a college graduate. Was this accurate, and does it apply to the special forces?
3. I speak French reasonably well now and expect to be fluent by the time I leave high school. Will this affect where I would be deployed?
4. Can someone give me a simple breakdown of the different special forces? Thanks.

I guess that's it for now. I'm not sure how serious my consideration of actually joining the military is, but this is definitely the option I know the least about. Thanks for any info!

[Chops]

Oh dear...

[Wakizashi]

google or army webpage

[LaoSexMachine]

Oh dear...


Hahhaahhaahhaah. Thanks for the laugh before I go get shatface tonight, Gogf!

How about making it in the Army first?

[James]

Oh dear...

X2... Baby steps.

[Macs.]

Hello,

I would like to become a millionaire and/or billionaire.

Post all information on how to achieve that goal here so I don't have any work to do. Step by step.

-Macs.

[PaulClift]

Why not just become a astronaut or something instead?

[muttbutt]

2. I remember reading that Dim, the college-graduate soldier on Over There had rejected the officer's commission that he was entitled to as a college graduate. Was this accurate, and does it apply to the special forces?

Are you referencing the tv show "Over there" for real life?:|

[Gogf]

:roll: Come on guys. I'm not saying "hm, I think I can succeed at whatever military program I join." I'm asking you what it would be like if I decide that I want to try and join when I'm older.

Thanks, Wakizashi, that helps to explain it a bit. Apparently they're not directly recruiting civilians now, but I would still have to join by way of the rest of the army?

[muttbutt]

Why not just become a astronaut or something instead?

pfff...Astronauts, wearing nappies and kidnapping people, no the real action is as a space shuttle door gunnerp-)

[Moledet]

Hello,

I would like to become a millionaire and/or billionaire.

Post all information on how to achieve that goal here so I don't have any work to do. Step by step.

-Macs.
The first step is to pay me a million dollars, I'd tell you the rest then.

[pascalywood]

i think you should do your homeworks yourself.
www.specialoperations.com

[Gogf]

Hello,

I would like to become a millionaire and/or billionaire.

Post all information on how to achieve that goal here so I don't have any work to do. Step by step.

-Macs.

I didn't say "I don't want to do any work." I said "I want some information" so that I can decide if this is what I want to do or not.


Why not just become a astronaut or something instead?

Dunno.


Are you referencing the tv show "Over there" for real life?:|

The TV show, but I don't see why they would make something like that up. Guess they did :shrug:.

[Buckeye67]

Hello,

I would like to become a millionaire and/or billionaire.

Post all information on how to achieve that goal here so I don't have any work to do. Step by step.

-Macs.

Step 1: Invent something that everyone needs or wants.
Step 2: Sell 1 million (or billion) units of said item at $1 profit each.
Step 3: Profit.


lol SF lol

You should probably consider a different career track.

[Gogf]

i think you should do your homeworks yourself.
www.specialoperations.com

Well, I know there's a lot of ex-military and current military guys here, so I thought I'd ask the actual soldiers rather than just reading the army website. I hadn't seen that one before, though, so thanks for the link :).

[muttbutt]

Step 1: Invent something that everyone needs or wants.
Step 2: Sell 1 million (or billion) units of said item at $1 profit each.
Step 3: Profit.
.
My God your a genious...where can I sign up to your innovative programme and get rich quick scheme...which I know I'm going to get rich with....and quick

[silveykyle]

In the words of Cali Joe, "Do pushups."

[Macs.]

Now seriously, especially this part makes me wonder:

" 1. How long is the average enlistment period for a special forces soldier? I don't think I want to make a career out of being a soldier."

So you only want to make a "short" stint in the army but want the best training and the most "special" job. Why do you think the army should invest money into you ?

You do realise that it costs the military alot of money to train "Special Forces" (May that be SF in the traditional sense, EOD, Combat divers etc.) and that they want to use these people for as long as possible ?

Sorry, but you just sound off like a daydreamer who saw one too many "SF"-Documentary and now wants to join the SF's, do a stint in a war theater and then return into his live where he can drive a Ferrari and **** a Model while telling his war stories. That's about how you came across to me, maybe you should think about what you want to do with your life before thinking about "joining SF".

[Breakfast in Vegas]

I think it's best to marry rich. Sure the guy working in the auto shop as a mechanic might give you better loving, but the dentist with the Benz is much higher profile. Go for the long term girl, your days are numbered.

Just my two cents.

[Gentle Norsemen]

Any one have tips how do I become world ruler.Thanks in advance.

[LaoSexMachine]

:roll: Come on guys. I'm not saying "hm, I think I can succeed at whatever military program I join." I'm asking you what it would be like if I decide that I want to try and join when I'm older.

Thanks, Wakizashi, that helps to explain it a bit. Apparently they're not directly recruiting civilians now, but I would still have to join by way of the rest of the army?

I was in a couple of "Special Forces" during my time in the Marines. Working party, Police call, and Hummvee detailing. Real "special".

[silveykyle]

Any one have tips how do I become world ruler.Thanks in advance.
I got a job for you on the side.

[ZoneOne]

How about you finish high school before thinking about completing college/graduate school and selection.

:roll: Come on guys. I'm not saying "hm, I think I can succeed at whatever military program I join." I'm asking you what it would be like if I decide that I want to try and join when I'm older.

Thanks, Wakizashi, that helps to explain it a bit. Apparently they're not directly recruiting civilians now, but I would still have to join by way of the rest of the army?

They are recruiting civilians. It's called the 18x option which requires at least a 5 year enlistment, possibly a 6. Best bet instead of asking here is actually talk to a recruiter. Believe it or not, but they actually have information on joining the army.

Hell you can go to army.com and talk to a recruiter RIGHT NOW online via the chat.

[PaulClift]

Any one have tips how do I become world ruler.Thanks in advance.

I'd suggest starting small, Shetland islands, then the Faroes, then Iceland etc etc, but you should know that ;)

[Gogf]

Now seriously, especially this part makes me wonder:

" 1. How long is the average enlistment period for a special forces soldier? I don't think I want to make a career out of being a soldier."

So you only want to make a "short" stint in the army but want the best training and the most "special" job. Why do you think the army should invest money into you ?

You do realise that it costs the military alot of money to train "Special Forces" (May that be SF in the traditional sense, EOD, Combat divers etc.) and that they want to use these people for as long as possible ?

Sorry, but you just sound off like a daydreamer who saw one too many "SF"-Documentary and now wants to join the SF's, do a stint in a war theater and then return into his live where he can drive a Ferrari and **** a Model while telling his war stories. That's about how you came across to me, maybe you should think about what you want to do with your life before thinking about "joining SF".

Can people please stop making massive assumptions about my character because I asked for information about the special forces? No, I haven't just seen a documentary about them.

I think that putting your life on the line for your country is one of the greatest things that someone can do. You've been given freedom, what will you do with it? Will you help to ensure that others have that freedom?

As for wanting a "short" stint in the army, well, as I said, I don't want to spend my lifetime fighting. No, I'm not interested in joining up and then high-tailing it as soon as possible. But I also don't want to get involved in something that expects me to stick around for 30 years.

[Buckeye67]

:roll: Come on guys. I'm not saying "hm, I think I can succeed at whatever military program I join." I'm asking you what it would be like if I decide that I want to try and join when I'm older.


Ok, if Macs is going to be serious...

Gogf,

You've posted questions the answers to which are readily available at multiple outlets on the internet. Seriously.

Your lack of motivation to find those answers on your own indicate that not only are you not cut out for Special Forces (or any other special operations unit) but are very likely ill-suited to military life in general.

[Gogf]

Okay, so I guess everyone is too preoccupied saying "OMG YOU JUST SAW A DOCUMENTARY ON TV AND MUST BE A COMPLETE IDIOT" to actually reply to my questions with something useful. Right now I'm in high school and considering what I want to do with my life. I don't see why having goals is something to be ridiculed for. But I do see that the amount of useful information I get out of this is going to be completely lost in the massive number of replies that essentially say nothing other than "you want life handed to you." That's wrong, but if that's what you want to think, fine. I've pretty much given up on getting any useful information out of here though...

[Gogf]

Ok, if Macs is going to be serious...

Gogf,

You've posted questions the answers to which are readily available at multiple outlets on the internet. Seriously.

Your lack of motivation to find those answers on your own indicate that not only are you not cut out for Special Forces (or any other special operations unit) but are very likely ill-suited to military life in general.

Yeah. This is one of those outlets. I'd much rather ask actual SF soldiers how things actually work than read an advertisement on an army website or an outdated entry somewhere else. Call me crazy.

[Gentle Norsemen]

Does the job involve me and my battle axe.Start small.I'm thinking Rus as me first target.

[Buckeye67]

Yeah. This is one of those outlets. I'd much rather ask actual SF soldiers how things actually work than read an advertisement on an army website or an outdated entry somewhere else. Call me crazy.

Using the search function on this, and other military-related forums might actually have gleaned the information you seek before you posted this ill-conceived thread.

Call me crazy.

[ZoneOne]

Gogf, while it looks like you haven't read my reply I'll give you this one tidbit in hopes you read this one.

There is a wealth of information on the internet that details exactly what the training is, the process and how to go about either joining the military via the 18x program or applying for selection. There are some Special Forces and probably some SEALs on this site, but not many of them take the time to respond to every post that has SF in the thread.

You are in high school and your thread talks about something you plan on doing after you have graduated college, a task you haven't even begun to complete.

First things first, focus on what you want to do. Do research, asking a SF or SEAL isn't the research I'm talking about. You state some of the information is out-dated. How do you know? Please take the time to figure out if it is in fact out-dated then just assuming. Contact a recruiter, explain to them your interests. Then decide on whether college or military is for you. Focus on the 25m target.

[Gogf]

Using the search function on this, and other military-related forums might actually have gleaned the information you seek before you posted this ill-conceived thread.

Call me crazy.

You know what, I never thought of that! Guess what didn't come up when I didn't search for special forces? Pictures of videos! Yeah, I bet if I had actually done a search I could have gone through everything that came up or tried to narrow my search to very specific terms, but that sounds like a complete waste of time to me. Clearly there are people here who could answer my questions if they wanted to. I think your "you're asking a question you must not be motivated" attitude is one of the most insane things I've ever heard. Not wanting to waste time is different from lacking motivation.

[Gogf]

Gogf, while it looks like you haven't read my reply I'll give you this one tidbit in hopes you read this one.

There is a wealth of information on the internet that details exactly what the training is, the process and how to go about either joining the military via the 18x program or applying for selection. There are some Special Forces and probably some SEALs on this site, but not many of them take the time to respond to every post that has SF in the thread.

You are in high school and your thread talks about something you plan on doing after you have graduated college, a task you haven't even begun to complete.

First things first, focus on what you want to do. Do research, asking a SF or SEAL isn't the research I'm talking about. You state some of the information is out-dated. How do you know? Please take the time to figure out if it is in fact out-dated then just assuming. Contact a recruiter, explain to them your interests. Then decide on whether college or military is for you. Focus on the 25m target.

I don't see why I would want to talk to a recruiter. A recruiter's job is to recruit people. That means that he is essentially paid to convince me to join the military. Sure, I can probably get some information out of that, but I'd much rather hear what it's like from someone who has experienced it than from someone who is paid to make me want to experience it. Make sense?

[Hollis]

You know what, I never thought of that! Guess what didn't come up when I didn't search for special forces? Pictures of videos! Yeah, I bet if I had actually done a search I could have gone through everything that came up or tried to narrow my search to very specific terms, but that sounds like a complete waste of time to me. Clearly there are people here who could answer my questions if they wanted to. I think your "you're asking a question you must not be motivated" attitude is one of the most insane things I've ever heard. Not wanting to waste time is different from lacking motivation.


If you did google, you would find a SF forum. A hint, read all the stickies before jumping in. It is run by SF people and they have a low tolerance to Lack of Situational Awareness and stupidity, but are very willing to help. If you read all the stickies most of your questions would probably be answered.

I am not SF, but have a very close friend who is. It is a excellent career choice for a person who can do it, is dedicated, focused and ________ <-- the blank is for that unknown that makes it all happen.

[ZoneOne]

I don't see why I would want to talk to a recruiter. A recruiter's job is to recruit people. That means that he is essentially paid to convince me to join the military. Sure, I can probably get some information out of that, but I'd much rather hear what it's like from someone who has experienced it than from someone who is paid to make me want to experience it. Make sense?

There are Special Forces recruiters that are (believe it or not) Special Forces soldiers.

BTW SF is Army only. All other branches have Special Operations and the Army has Rangers and Special Forces in Special Operations.

I understand your ambition, but there are many other avenues you can travel down and get a wealth of information.


If you did google, you would find a SF forum. A hint, read all the stickies before jumping in. It is run by SF people and they have a low tolerance to Lack of Situational Awareness and stupidity, but are very willing to help. If you read all the stickies most of your questions would probably be answered.

I am not SF, but have a very close friend who is. It is a excellent career choice for a person who can do it, is dedicated, focused and ________ <-- the blank is for that unknown that makes it all happen.

If you go to the site he is talking about. I strongly suggest you don't ask what you have asked here, or you won't be a member for long. It is their territory, show them respect, and by that I mean lurking and reading and learning on your own before pulling at their legs.

[Gogf]

There are Special Forces recruiters that are (believe it or not) Special Forces soldiers.

BTW SF is Army only. All other branches have Special Operations and the Army has Rangers and Special Forces in Special Operations.

I understand your ambition, but there are many other avenues you can travel down and get a wealth of information.



If you go to the site he is talking about. I strongly suggest you don't ask what you have asked here, or you won't be a member for long. It is their territory, show them respect, and by that I mean lurking and reading and learning on your own before pulling at their legs.

Okay, thanks for the info about the breakdown of different special forces and special operations.

The reason I'm asking here is that this is the only military forum I'm currently associated with. I thought it would serve as a pretty good starting point to get some basic information that I was sure was accurate. I'm generally pretty suspicious of anything I read on the internet, especially on a topic like the special forces where there are presumably so many fanboys spewing out nonsense.

[Buckeye67]

Yeah, I bet if I had actually done a search I could have gone through everything that came up or tried to narrow my search to very specific terms, but that sounds like a complete waste of time to me.

^-Lack of motivation.

The answers to your questions are available on this forum.


Clearly there are people here who could answer my questions if they wanted to. I think your "you're asking a question you must not be motivated" attitude is one of the most insane things I've ever heard. Not wanting to waste time is different from lacking motivation.

Asking questions isn't a sign of not being motivated. Your lack of motivation stems from asking questions that you can find answers to easily, with next to no effort, from multiple sources on the internet.

As you stated above, you have no desire to actually spend the time seeking those answers for yourself. Perhaps if you'd bother to do so, you'd not only have the answers you seek, but you'd not have "wasted" your time listening to people tell you to go find the answers yourself.

Edit: This thread was just a wind-up, wasn't it.

[Gogf]

^-Lack of motivation.

The answers to your questions are available on this forum.

I wasn't aware that wanting to do something more efficiently and effectively meant I wasn't motivated.


Asking questions isn't a sign of not being motivated. Your lack of motivation stems from

Oh, knock it off. I'm pretty sure I know how motivated I am better than you do. I'm sixteen years old. No, I'm not dead-set on joining the special forces come hell or high water, so in one sense, you're right, I'm "not entirely motivated." It should be pretty clear by now that I'm gathering very basic information to see how motivated I should be. You can't really expect me to be super-motivated about something I know next-to-nothing except for mystique about, can you?

[Buckeye67]

I wasn't aware that wanting to do something more efficiently and effectively meant I wasn't motivated.

You can't really expect me to be super-motivated about something I know next-to-nothing except for mystique about, can you?

I can expect you to be motivated enough to use google.

You can't even muster that.

As I said in my first post - you should choose another career path.

[Gogf]

Edit: This thread was just a wind-up, wasn't it.

No. I was trying to get some basic information other than what I hear in the popular media from the best source that I was acquainted with. That failed miserably when it turned into a massive flame fest, though.

[EvanL]

You should grow a long beard to look like an Arab. People will think you're already in SF and other guys will nod and wave.

[boone]

No. I was trying to get some basic information other than what I hear in the popular media from the best source that I was acquainted with. That failed miserably when it turned into a massive flame fest, though.
You signed up in Feb. You knew what was in store and you got it both barrels, Francis.

[Gogf]

I can expect you to be motivated enough to use google.

You can't even muster that.

As I said in my first post - you should choose another career path.

You're clearly not reading my posts. I didn't say "I don't want to use Google because that's too much work." I said that I don't trust most of the information on the internet, especially on a subject like this where I think people are likely to exaggerate. I guess it's just too much to ask for you to believe that I actually thought I would get more useful information by asking here than by using Google.

[Buckeye67]

I'm reading your posts just fine, mate.


Yeah, I bet if I had actually done a search I could have gone through everything that came up or tried to narrow my search to very specific terms, but that sounds like a complete waste of time to me.

"Yeah, I know the answers to my questions are here - but I can't be fvcked to actually find them on my own. Someone please spoon-feed me the answers I want so that I don't have to do any work, because that would be a complete waste of my time."

Everyone else seems to have arrived at the same conclusion.

[ZoneOne]

You're clearly not reading my posts. I didn't say "I don't want to use Google because that's too much work." I said that I don't trust most of the information on the internet, especially on a subject like this where I think people are likely to exaggerate. I guess it's just too much to ask for you to believe that I actually thought I would get more useful information by asking here than by using Google.

Use google... a lot of information will come from websites ending in .gov.

Trust me they aren't embellishing anything. There is a lot of information out there, it's working sorting through the bad to find the good. During that process you learn a lot.

[Moledet]

People are treating you this way because there's everything on the internet. Your military's website is reliable about the recruitment process and training, it won't tell you that some commanders are a-holes or that the bureaucracy in the army would make you bang your head in the wall (Russian SFs turned it into a profession) that's what forums are for.
In many forums that deal with this subject you'd find stories about the service and training that some individuals have gone through, after you finish reading all this material you can return and ask specific questions or questions that you found no answer for (or better ask there).

P.S. I need to join really soon, although I have a Physics test on Monday and Tuesday on everything they teach in high school (did a course and learned it in 5 weeks) I've gone through possibly hundreds of pages of information and searched the internet for 5 hours every day in the last three days.

[Gogf]

I'm reading your posts just fine, mate.



"Yeah, I know the answers to my questions are here - but I can't be fvcked to actually find them on my own. Someone please spoon-feed me the answers I want so that I don't have to do any work, because that would be a complete waste of my time."

Everyone else seems to have arrived at the same conclusion.

So you're telling me that you've never asked someone a question that you could have answered by a trip to your local library?


Use google... a lot of information will come from websites ending in .gov.

Trust me they aren't embellishing anything. There is a lot of information out there, it's working sorting through the bad to find the good. During that process you learn a lot.

I tend to be skeptical of people trying to sell me something. But if you're willing to vouch for the accuracy of government websites, then that's much more helpful than most of what's been posted in this thread and I'll thank you for that.

[Buckeye67]

So you're telling me that you've never asked someone a question that you could have answered by a trip to your local library?


I don't have to go to the library to use google.

Next.

[ZoneOne]

So you're telling me that you've never asked someone a question that you could have answered by a trip to your local library?



I tend to be skeptical of people trying to sell me something. But if you're willing to vouch for the accuracy of government websites, then that's much more helpful than most of what's been posted in this thread and I'll thank you for that.

You can't get much better then FACT. Now if you find some john that claims he was SF I wouldn't trust any of it. But trust me, try and look through Google. You will be amazed at the information you can gain from a little bit of research.

A SF Recruiter will be a gold mine of information though for the SF curious.

[Gogf]

I don't have to go to the library to use google.

Next.

This is not responsive.

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

I tend to be skeptical of people trying to sell me something.

Quoted for irony considering you'd rather ask your questions on a public web site where you can't be 100% sure of the background of the people you want to answer your question.

[Gogf]

You can't get much better then FACT. Now if you find some john that claims he was SF I wouldn't trust any of it. But trust me, try and look through Google. You will be amazed at the information you can gain from a little bit of research.

A SF Recruiter will be a gold mine of information though for the SF curious.

Okay, I've found the SF website mentioned earlier and I'll be reading through that to find out more information. Thanks for the help!

[Buckeye67]

This is not responsive.

No you.



.....

[Gogf]

Quoted for irony considering you'd rather ask your questions on a public web site where you can't be 100% sure of the background of the people you want to answer your question.

Where else would I ask it? Yes, I know there is an SF website now, but that's a direct result of asking here. I would have never dreamed of searching Google for "special forces forum" because I assumed it would lead me to garbage relating to internet claiming clans.

[silveykyle]

Okay, I've found the SF website mentioned earlier and I'll be reading through that to find out more information. Thanks for the help!
Tread lightly.

[ZoneOne]

Tread lightly.

Don't tread at all, float and observe from above.

Seriously.

[silveykyle]

Don't tread at all, float and observe from above.

Seriously.
Even better a suggestion.

[Gogf]

Tread lightly.

Well, I wasn't expecting such a huge blow-up here. Now that I realize the kind of attitude people have, I'm definitely going to be especially careful.

[silveykyle]

Well, I wasn't expecting such a huge blow-up here. Now that I realize the kind of attitude people have, I'm definitely going to be especially careful.
I'm not even talking about this site, I'm talking about those Special Operations specific forums. Don't go in there like you did here.

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

Where else would I ask it? Yes, I know there is an SF website now, but that's a direct result of asking here. I would have never dreamed of searching Google for "special forces forum" because I assumed it would lead me to garbage relating to internet claiming clans.

You didn't ask for websites. You solicited the opinion of "former and current SF soldiers".

You've been given the same advice in a number of different ways yet you chose to ignore it until a couple of posts ago and instead winge about the way you've been treated.

For your sake you should wait a few years before enlisting. Mature a bit.

[ZoneOne]

Well, I wasn't expecting such a huge blow-up here. Now that I realize the kind of attitude people have, I'm definitely going to be especially careful.

There are other sites that will yield wonderful information that can be found using google, with out searching for Special Forces FORUM.

Try searching for 18x, or SFAS, or 18b, 18c, 18d, 18e (SF MOS's)

That forum that you are about to enter is basically a place where real SF chit-chat. There is a wealth of information on that site, but it is not ideal to just jump in. If you have to post there, post ONCE, your intro. That's it. Every question you can possibly fathom has been asked twice and it's there.

If you didn't like searching through google, you might not have the best of luck there. Using the "SEARCH" button at the top right corner of the forum is not only ideal it is all but required.

Edit - Look here : Check out the bar on the left once you click on the link, it talks about the training, the life, history, everything you could need. and I found it by using Google, searching for "Special Forces" it was the 5th link down.
http://www.bragg.army.mil/specialforces/

[padre40]

gandalf, i think your intentions are true, yet slightly immature. im guessing h.s. kids should know how to prepare themselves for college admissions and stuff, like researching college choices (brochures, internet homepage, etc.) then talking to school officials (recruiters - ask pertinent questions you didn't receive during your research so as not to waste their time), and maybe talk to students, alums, etc (MP.net). imagine what people will think of the time you took to prepare and research (a notable trait among professionals). If you've noticed the tone of this thread, heeding advice from others is another trait that goes along way to earning respect from them. Read "To Be a US Army Green Beret" by Col. Schumacher and "Chosen Soldier" by **** Couch if you get a chance. Complaining about trusting government websites?!?!? That's an excuse and a sign of laziness, IMHO. Hope you'll leave this forum knowing you learned something.

[Ren987]

edited.....

[Hutz]

Great thread. One a week now?

[Gogf]

You didn't ask for websites. You solicited the opinion of "former and current SF soldiers".

You've been given the same advice in a number of different ways yet you chose to ignore it until a couple of posts ago and instead winge about the way you've been treated.

For your sake you should wait a few years before enlisting. Mature a bit.

The attitude here is really hilarious. No "advice" was given until a few posts ago other than "shut up you immature brat, I'm older than you therefore you suck."

Padre40: Let's try not to mischaracterize people's views here. I'm obviously not saying that the government is lying. I'm saying that they're trying to sell something. Do you really think the "lazy" thing to do is to post here and get screamed at by a bunch of anonymous holier-than-thou people rather than reading a few lines on an army website?

[PaulClift]

though for the SF curious.

I'm SF curious, though I'm worried what my family will think if they found out, oh wait, thought we were on about S+M again.

[Gogf]

If you didn't like searching through google, you might not have the best of luck there. Using the "SEARCH" button at the top right corner of the forum is not only ideal it is all but required.

I don't understand why people find it necessary to just blindly criticize people without taking reality into consideration. Once again, I don't have anything against searching. But I do find the results of most Google searches to be generally less reliable than asking at a forum dedicated to a specific topic. Wading through a hundred posts full of photos is also less than ideal, as I'm sure you can recognize. Not to pick on you though, of course. You've probably been the nicest and most helpful person in here, which I really appreciate :).

[Hollis]

Guys you really tried, my hat is off to you. Maybe this idiot will make DAOTW, Nagti tried and was super civil. I don't think this guy would make a brownie......... Talk about a bad case of ****** crainial inversion.

[PaulClift]

Well by its very nature, SF is a very high thing to aim for, ambition is not a bad thing, but probably asking a few questions about joining the army in general would of sounded less 'wannabe' than straight in with the SF questions.

Could of been worse, you could of picked the name 'imgonnabeaforcereconsniperlol' or something.

[Gogf]

Guys you really tried, my hat is off to you. Maybe this idiot will make DAOTW, Nagti tried and was super civil. I don't think this guy would make a brownie......... Talk about a bad case of ****** crainial inversion.

Well this is without question one of the most useful posts I've ever read :roll:.

[ZoneOne]

I don't understand why people find it necessary to just blindly criticize people without taking reality into consideration. Once again, I don't have anything against searching. But I do find the results of most Google searches to be generally less reliable than asking at a forum dedicated to a specific topic. Wading through a hundred posts full of photos is also less than ideal, as I'm sure you can recognize. Not to pick on you though, of course. You've probably been the nicest and most helpful person in here, which I really appreciate :).

I'm not criticizing you in any way. I'm just giving you some information to help and to warn you. The problem lies in the fact that you want a forum dedicated to a specific topic. While there are Special Forces forums out there, they are for, Special Forces. Jumping in there and asking them to chime in won't be received well, not matter how polite you ask or how well you phrase your question. Those forums are for those people to communicate and share interests, not to answer every question.

If you get on that site, and the link I provided, you will have an answer to almost every question imaginable. Read the stickies, and use the search button.

[PaulClift]

Well this is without question one of the most useful posts I've ever read :roll:.

Well your attitude clearly stinks, and non ability to take any advice or criticism will really go down well in the armed forces.

[boone]

Well this is without question one of the most useful posts I've ever read :roll:.
I thought you were out of your depth before this post. Just wanted it on record.

[Gogf]

Well by its very nature, SF is a very high thing to aim for, ambition is not a bad thing, but probably asking a few questions about joining the army in general would of sounded less 'wannabe' than straight in with the SF questions.

Could of been worse, you could of picked the name 'imgonnabeaforcereconsniperlol' or something.

Yeah, I guess so. I assure you, I'm not some sort of SF wannabe or obsessed immature teenager. I'm asking for information to decide whether or not it would be a good idea for me to consider trying to join the program or not. I'm not saying "I'm going to be a super-delta ultra sniper" or any similarly useless garbage. I can definitely understand the confusion, especially when it's lost in the hubub.

[James]

Quoted for irony considering you'd rather ask your questions on a public web site where you can't be 100% sure of the background of the people you want to answer your question.

Well said. Very few on this website are qualified to offer opinions about anything.

[Hollis]

Are one of you guys planning on taking this puppy home with you, maybe date your sister? At least get one that is house broken.

[James]

Yeah, I guess so. I assure you, I'm not some sort of SF wannabe or obsessed immature teenager. I'm asking for information to decide whether or not it would be a good idea for me to consider trying to join the program or not. I'm not saying "I'm going to be a super-delta ultra sniper" or any similarly useless garbage. I can definitely understand the confusion, especially when it's lost in the hubub.

You're repeating yourself now. A number of responses in this thread have pointed you in the right direction. Please proceed.

[ZoneOne]

Well said. Very few on this website are qualified to offer opinions about anything.

I'm a trained professional in the art of sitting on my ass.

[ronnieraygun]

Well this is without question one of the most useful posts I've ever read :roll:.

And it comes from someone, Hollis, who could tell you a few things about your prospective career choice, but it's your dime, buddy. Have a ball. If you had just pulled a mea culpa instead of trying to argue, people might want to help you out.