Berg Died for Bush, Rumsfeld 'Sins' - Father

[Seraphim]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=564&ncid=564&e=1&u=/nm/20040513/ts_nm/iraq_usa_beheading_family_dc


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This photo dated Oct. 2003 shows Nick Berg standing under a banner of his company while attending an engineering conference in Hershey, Pa. Berg's body was found Saturday in western Baghdad. Three days later, a videotape posted on an al-Qaida-related Web site showed him decapitated by hooded, armed men. (AP Photo/Courtesy of Dale Gehman)

[incubz5]

What an idiot this poor man's father is. There were poor soul's dying of terrorism long before this administration (it's even crazy just having to say that....people are blind animals for the most part).

This ranter's blaming Bush is a slap in the face of everyone who has died at the hands of terrorists and everyone fighting them.

He's playing Al Queda's game.

[2Sheds_Jackson]

I have a feeling there's much more to this than we've been told so far.

[incubz5]

Berg's father is a liberal democrat and there's nothing more than that. They're blind idiots and have been on the wrong side of every issue for the last fifty years and more.

[BlackRain]

Nicholas Berg, the American who was filmed being beheaded, had been arrested by Iraqi police earlier and held on suspicion of being a spy because he had a Jewish name and an Israeli stamp in his passport, it has emerged.

The FBI released a statement indicating that coalition authorities had warned Mr Berg that the environment was dangerous but that he had refused offers to help get him out of Iraq safely.

Back in West Chester, Pennsylvania, the Berg family lashed out at US military officials for failing to do more to protect Mr Berg and disputed repeated US military statements that he was in the custody of Iraqi police.

With the help of his best friends, Berg's own e-mails and a Pennsylvania soldier familiar with the details of his detainment in Mosul, the Daily News has pieced together a clearer picture of Berg's life in Iraq.

Some of those details have not been reported before, including:

• The FBI apparently conducted a lengthy investigation of Berg in captivity because they were checking out a possible friendship or other tie with an Arab al Qaeda supporter Zacarias Moussaoui at the University of Oklahoma who was under scrutiny in connection with the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks.

• The source said that in addition to his passport, cash and a laptop, Berg had two books when he was arrested in Mosul on March 24 that aroused suspicion: the Koran and a book that authorities somehow interpreted as "anti-Semitic." He said police were suspicious because of "his demeanor," and authorities also wanted to know why he had the Koran and a book that the source said may have been called "The Jewish Problem" or "The Jewish Solution."

• Berg stubbornly refused American offers of assistance in getting home - including an offer of free airfare, cash and an American escort. He told authorities before his April 6 release that he was eager to get back to work seeking contracts in Iraq, telling U.S. authorities "he was losing thousands of dollars in jail."

• The New York Times is reporting this morning that Berg also sent a lengthy e-mail to his family after he was detained. Among the questions asked, he wrote, were: "Why was I in Iraq? Did I ever make a pipe bomb? Why was I in Iran?"

[Ichhabe]

What an idiot this poor man's father is. There were poor soul's dying of terrorism long before this administration (it's even crazy just having to say that....people are blind animals for the most part).

This ranter's blaming Bush is a slap in the face of everyone who has died at the hands of terrorists and everyone fighting them.

He's playing Al Queda's game.

Ever heard of greef, schmuck?

[incubz5]

Grief is grief, ignorance is ignorance.

Berg's son CHOSE to go to Iraq as an independant contractor, Bush didn't force him to. Berg's son CHOSE to take that risk and to wander the streets without security, without a group.

I'm fine w/ the man grieving, he and his wife are suffering the greatest torture imaginable, but I am not fine with his lunacy and his misdirected hate. It's like spitting in the face of his son's death. The killers are responsible. Berg's son knew the risk. You have to be briefed by the State Department before you can set one foot in Iraq. They recommend Type III and Type IV body armor, tell you to travel in groups, etc.

Grief is no execuse for idiocy nor a license to be stupid and blind. In fact, that kind of hatred and misdirected vitriol is counterproductive to the very effort to wipe out the forces responsible for the butchery of this fine young man.

[BlackRain]

Ever heard of greef, schmuck?


There is grief and their is political exploitation on your country. The father of Nick Berg is a member of A.N.S.W.E.R., the anti-war group.

[Tane Angle]

Some people on this message board have no concept of when to shut up, do they? The senior Mr. Berg can blame whomever the heck he wants. Have any of you here ever lost a son? Anyone? If you have not, I would seriously appreciate it if you would be so kind as to watch your mouth.

Or even if you haven't lost a son, have you ever seen the looks on the faces of family and friends as executed hostages bodies are brought out? Or seen battle-hardened grown men and women shatter after getting word that they've failed to secure a hostage? Again, if you have not, I would seriously appreciate it if you would be so kind as to watch your mouth.

Did the deceased unintentionally make himself to be an extremely easy target to take? Yes. However, there's a difference between acknowledging the deceased's mistakes so that we can learn for next time, and calling him and his father ignorant and idiots.

I would respond to the comment about liberal Democrats being on the wrong side of every issue in the past 50 years, but I consider it extremely disrespectful to turn every discussion of the Mr. Berg into a political flame game.

I'm sorry, but this disrespect is not appreciated.

[Ichhabe]

Ever heard of greef, schmuck?


There is grief and their is political exploitation on your country. The father of Nick Berg is a member of A.N.S.W.E.R., the anti-war group.

Even easier then for him to blaim him then. But kicking a man that now have lost his son in such a terrible way is just bad. Bad and wrong.

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

I think everyone needs to read tane's post there before replying to this thread....he sumed it up best. We cannot imagine the hell his parents must be going threw, its bad enough to lose a son...its even worse under the coniditions it happened....

[MetalBoy]

I understand that I cannot begin to fathom what Berg's father is going through with the outrageous execution of his son, but I would like to think that I would put the outrage where it squarely belongs, on the heads of the Al-Qaeda monsters who acted so barbareously. Having said that, I sympathize with his outrage at our leaders because at least there you can have some feeling of accountability, whereas the terrorists feel very far away removed from the experiences of his life. The mindset just makes it very easy to unload your pent up rage on your own leaders.

[Tane Angle]

Everytime there a US soldier who most of us don't even know dies, we say things like "Level Baghdad!" or even more violence comments. Do we actually want to level the Iraqi capital? Probably not. But we say things in grief and anger. Now multiple that a million, a billion times. That's a glimpse of what it's like to lose a child through illness, much less violence. Will the senior Mr. Berg still be so mad at Bush in ten years? Perhaps not. But for now, if yelling at Bush helps him get through the day, let's let him yell at Bush. We say things that we don't mean literally when grieving and angry.

Have a good one, and just some thoughts...

[UkrainianAmerican]

Ever heard of greef, schmuck?


There is grief and their is political exploitation on your country. The father of Nick Berg is a member of A.N.S.W.E.R., the anti-war group.
Links would be appreciated.
Regards.

[ExtraT]

Mr Berg is certainly entitled to his grief. And, as it was correctly pointed out, he is in no condition to think rationally.

However, what really pisses me off is the attempt by certain media elements to use that man's grief to promote their own agendas.

It is a deplorable practice to bother people in grief with interviews.

[MetalBoy]

"I am sure that he only saw the good in his captors until the last second of his life," Berg said. "They did not know what they were doing. They killed their best friend."

I'm sorry, but how a father can say such a thing about the executioners of his own SON is beyond my comprehension, even if it is his grief and feeling of helplessness talking instead of his brain. That quote sickens my heart.

[UkrainianAmerican]

"I am sure that he only saw the good in his captors until the last second of his life," Berg said. "They did not know what they were doing. They killed their best friend."

I'm sorry, but how a father can say such a thing about the executioners of his own SON is beyond my comprehension, even if it is his grief and feeling of helplessness talking instead of his brain. That quote sickens my heart.
It seems like his father wasn't the only one belonging to A.N.S.W.E.R. :|

[Uncle Sam]

"I am sure that he only saw the good in his captors until the last second of his life," Berg said. "They did not know what they were doing. They killed their best friend."

I'm sorry, but how a father can say such a thing about the executioners of his own SON is beyond my comprehension, even if it is his grief and feeling of helplessness talking instead of his brain. That quote sickens my heart.

You're taking that out of context. He was meaning he was the Iraqis' best friend, because he was there to help them. It's been discussed on TV a few times already what he "actually" meant. As far a grief is concerned, he has every right to blame whomever he chooses, and people here have a right to disagree with who he's blaming.

[Tane Angle]

I think the senior Mr. Berg was trying to say that his son was very kind-hearted and looked for the best in all he met. And that his son was not necessarily anti-war, but pro-peace and pro-aid to the Iraqis, that he sincerely cared about the Iraqi people.

I don't think Mr. Berg said that knowing his son had been executed by members of AQ. I think he said it believing that Iraqis, rather, had executed his son.

Have a good one, and just some thoughts...

Edit in: Sorry, I was slow in typing my post. It was a bit redundant to Uncle Sam's Pissed !'s good post.

[MetalBoy]

"I am sure that he only saw the good in his captors until the last second of his life," Berg said. "They did not know what they were doing. They killed their best friend."

I'm sorry, but how a father can say such a thing about the executioners of his own SON is beyond my comprehension, even if it is his grief and feeling of helplessness talking instead of his brain. That quote sickens my heart.

You're taking that out of context. He was meaning he was the Iraqis' best friend, because he was there to help them. It's been discussed on TV a few times already what he "actually" meant. As far a grief is concerned, he has every right to blame whomever he chooses, and people here have a right to disagree with who he's blaming.

Ok gotcha, my bad. :oops:

[UkrainianAmerican]

I think the senior Mr. Berg was trying to say that his son was very kind-hearted and looked for the best in all he met. And that his son was not necessarily anti-war, but pro-peace and pro-aid to the Iraqis, that he sincerely cared about the Iraqi people.

I don't think Mr. Berg said that knowing his son had been executed by members of AQ. I think he said it believing that Iraqis, rather, had executed his son.

Have a good one, and just some thoughts...

Edit in: Sorry, I was slow in typing my post. It was a bit redundant to Uncle Sam's Pissed !'s good post.
It could also be possible that hes the John-Walker-Lindh type :(

[MetalBoy]

I think the senior Mr. Berg was trying to say that his son was very kind-hearted and looked for the best in all he met. And that his son was not necessarily anti-war, but pro-peace and pro-aid to the Iraqis, that he sincerely cared about the Iraqi people.

I don't think Mr. Berg said that knowing his son had been executed by members of AQ. I think he said it believing that Iraqis, rather, had executed his son.

Have a good one, and just some thoughts...

Edit in: Sorry, I was slow in typing my post. It was a bit redundant to Uncle Sam's Pissed !'s good post.
It could also be possible that hes the John-Walker-Lindh type :(

Yeah that makes a lot of sense.... Pretend you are an innocent Westerner and let your friends brutally execute you to strike fear in the hearts of Americans. :roll: :roll: :cantbeli: :bash: Show some respect for the dead man, he;s not even buried yet and you start throwing rumors around like that.

[sethen]

Is/was Berg Jewish??? I mean if he is that is one more bizarre point to the plot!!!!!

[Sir Zach of R.]

"I am sure that he only saw the good in his captors until the last second of his life," Berg said. "They did not know what they were doing. They killed their best friend."

I'm sorry, but how a father can say such a thing about the executioners of his own SON is beyond my comprehension, even if it is his grief and feeling of helplessness talking instead of his brain. That quote sickens my heart.

My thoughts exactly. I mean, c'mon. Any second I just expect a little light bulb to pop up above his head and say: "Duh!" If we followed that reasoning with the terrorists who perpetrated the 9/11 attacks America would no longer be a free and democratic country. The thought that would be going through my head if I were him would be: Ok guys, don't hold back. Blow these damn sand-monkeys to hell (Don't take that wrong.) I believe it is time to go in there full-force and kill every last one of those jerks (al-Cider's followers.)

[mocking_loudly_died]

Your son has just been beheaded and people are demanding rational behavior. You kids have alot to learn in life. Let the man blame the world if he likes - the same people here that are getting upset over the fathers comments are the same ones that downloaded the video to get their rocks off.

I smell **** and it's you.

[UkrainianAmerican]

I think the senior Mr. Berg was trying to say that his son was very kind-hearted and looked for the best in all he met. And that his son was not necessarily anti-war, but pro-peace and pro-aid to the Iraqis, that he sincerely cared about the Iraqi people.

I don't think Mr. Berg said that knowing his son had been executed by members of AQ. I think he said it believing that Iraqis, rather, had executed his son.

Have a good one, and just some thoughts...

Edit in: Sorry, I was slow in typing my post. It was a bit redundant to Uncle Sam's Pissed !'s good post.
It could also be possible that hes the John-Walker-Lindh type :(

Yeah that makes a lot of sense.... Pretend you are an innocent Westerner and let your friends brutally execute you to strike fear in the hearts of Americans. :roll: :roll: :cantbeli: :bash: Show some respect for the dead man, he;s not even buried yet and you start throwing rumors around like that.
You misunderstood my point, or my tone.
There are a lot of sources claim that he has connection to the ANSWER movement. All I am saying is that it is a POSSIBILITY that he came to Iraq to 'help' iraqi 'resistance fighters'. Rachel Corrie style.

[TheBlackHand]

I doubt if Nick Berg would appreciate the things his father is now saying on his behalf. IMO, Mr. Berg is not only disrespecting his son but his country as well...but what do I know?

Seriously. I don't know a thing about what either of those guys have gone through other than what I've seen. I hope I never have to. Based on that, Mr. Berg is entitled to blame whoever he pleases. If in his delusional mind it was GW who worked the knife while Rummy held his son down...so be it. I'll chalk his ranting up to a man sick with grief.

[Midtown]

god if i would have gone over there, id have a assault rifle of some sort with me at all times.

[American Patriot]

Apparently Berg was at the wrong place at the wrong time.

[Argyll]

I am watching this one too! ;)

[Argyll]

I'm not really wanting to get drawn into the rights and wrongs of what the father said.
Grief can make you say some really inexplicaple things,your rationale is right out the window,your senses are in turmoil,and it is so easy to apportion blame to someone/something else,and I can relate to this on a very personal level.
My nephew was killed in an RTA days before his 17th Birthday,and 1 day after returning from a Family holiday to Florida,the guy who was driving the car,left him like an animal,and fled the scene,this guy I know,and see daily!He's a known "player" in the drugs community,as was my nephew,they hated each other,the guy was never charged with any offences other than attemting to prevert the course of justice,because he stole components to cover up his actions,no other charges........the British people here will under stand this one better!
On the day of the court case,this POS,decided to plead guilt to theft,and the whole case fell apart.leaving my sister devastatd,her husband devastated,their only child was killed,under dubious circumstances,and this guy got a fine ..........of £30,that was 3 years ago,and to this day we see this guy walking about still dealing drugs,and not a bit of remorse,my sister swore to her dead sons coffin she would take her revenge,did she mean it?........I know my sister.......and I'm not sure.
The point........grief is something out of your control.Mr Berg Snr. is lashing out at anyone willing to listen right now,and is very understandable.

However........nobody forced his son to go to Iraq,especially on his own,with no contacts,and no work lined up,travelling un accompanied in a warzone was reckless,this happened just before I arrived in Baghdad,but the warnings and dangers were spread out weeks before hand,when the Sadr Militia began their uprising,the elevated threat of travelling alone,and the threat of kidnappings and abductions were there for those who wanted to heed them,I know this as fact guys,I've seen the Intelligence briefs for March and April,put out by the CPA.Civilains and Contractors were warned about the possibilities of abductions,and the dangers of travelling alone,it was also around the time when many Foreign Nationals began leaving Baghdad due to this elevated threat.
During his stay in Iraq,nobody was aware of Mr Bergs movements other than his family,how he got his entry visa into Iraq is also open to question,especially if he came in Via Kuwait,as we had huge hassle getting in,and that was with visa's.There a lot of guys out there freelancing but they have taken precautions,having bodyguards etc,or even a guide/interpretor,of which Mr Berg appeared to have neither,unless he was fluent in Arabic,another careless move it seems.
Did Mr Berg really sit down and think about what he was actually going to do prior to his departure,with a well laid out plan of action,contacts,addresses etc............or did he just go on a whim,and chance it,which would have made this man extremely naive to say the least.
I myself believe there is indeed more to this sad story,which will eventually come out,but lets not be too critical of Mr Berg seniors outburst,allow him to grieve in peace,and allow the family to come to terms with what has happened.............it's the least anyone can do.